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In Episode 16 of transform together, Johannes Schartau talks to Lili David about Sociocracy 3.0 and how organizations can use it to evolve the way they collaborate, make decisions, and distribute authority. Lili explains S3 as a collection of patterns that help people respond to real organizational tensions, make collaboration more conscious and intentional, and improve the way work, responsibility, and decision-making are structured.

Together, they explore why useful patterns alone are never enough, what happens when consent decision-making reveals hidden issues, why willingness and trust matter so much, and how organizations can make authority more explicit without simply flattening everything. Lili also shares how her own view of S3 has changed over the years, why she often avoids introducing the terminology directly with clients, and why asking “Do you have any objections?” instead of “Do you agree?” can already shift the quality of a conversation. A thoughtful and practical conversation for anyone interested in organizational change, self-organization, and more effective collaboration.