This is a con­ver­sa­tion with the very inter­est­ing Van­da Fleury (Métis). Van­da grew up around Hamio­ta and attend­ed Bran­don Uni­ver­si­ty before going to the Uni­ver­si­ty of Man­i­to­ba to work on a mas­ter’s degree in native stud­ies. She gave a pre­sen­ta­tion at the Uni­ver­si­ty of Man­i­to­ba about her work called Mamawi Apike­tan Decol­o­niza­tion and Com­mu­ni­ty Based Edu­ca­tion Par­a­digms. Van­da’s work steams from her desire to break down stereo­types. While work­ing for the Man­i­to­ba Muse­um she spent 16 months work­ing with north­ern schools and elders to come up with 12 edu­ca­tion kits for mid­dle and high school stu­dents. Her research deals with the the­o­ries behind objects, per­cep­tion, edu­ca­tion stereo­types and colonization.