Dr. Jasmine Syedullah is a feminist political theorist of abolition and co-author of “Radical Dharma: Talking Race, Love, and Liberation.” Deeply inspired by the 19th century writings of antislavery abolitionist Harriet Jacobs, Jasmine’s current work explores how women's defense against the surveillance, policing, detention, criminalization, and punishment of everyday practices of self-making pose challenges to the bonds of racial capitalism. In our lively and potent conversation, Jasmine discussed the current landscape of carceral logic, our tendency to protect ideas over people, how we choose to engage with the inevitable trauma of change, and the practices that help us attune to our internal wisdom in order to transform our relationships to institutions, our neighbors, families, and selves. “You can inhabit oppressive systems in unconventional ways.” More podcasts at maurajames.com and all podcasting platforms. [“Brand New Day” - Esther Phillips]