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"You don't make money by taking loans, you make money by paying premiums." In this candid episode, we unpack the biggest lessons from our Infinite Banking (IBC) journey; what we got right, what we'd do differently, and the costly myths we had to unlearn.

From early nerves (Is this even legal?) to 15 years of using dividend-paying whole life policies, we share our most honest takeaways: how to think about premiums vs. loans, why the right mentor matters, using policies as a throughput system (not a piggy bank), the danger of "extra interest" hype, tracking growth, and building community so you're not learning IBC alone.

Plus: a quick warm-up on guinea pigs in Switzerland 🐹 and the tipping culture rant you didn't know you needed.

Key Takeaways:

◦ Legality check: Policy loans are legit (state insurance departments literally describe them).

◦ Core truth: You don't "profit" from taking loans; you build wealth by funding premiums and letting cash value compound.

◦ Throughput mindset: Run money through your policy, then deploy it—don't starve premiums to pay expenses.

◦ "Extra interest" clarity: Paying extra only helps when it's added as an additional premium (not just loan interest).

◦ Mentorship matters: A good advisor prevents expensive missteps and helps sequence debt, premium, and cash flow.

◦ Start smart: Begin conservatively; learn by doing (without gimmicks like funding with 0% cards—don't).

◦ Track & compare: Log monthly growth and save your original illustration to compare real vs. projected.

◦ Community wins: Surround yourself with active policy users (Think Tank vibes, client meetups, Q&As).

Chapters:

00:00 I wouldn't change it: timing, trust, and going all-in 
00:21 How we dove in: think tanks, reading, sleepless curiosity 
00:53 Welcome back + today's topic setup
01:18 Fun fact: Switzerland bans owning a single guinea pig 🐹
02:14 Rant time: tipping culture, service, and expectations
05:12 "Harmony" the waitress & tipping for great service
10:06 Coffee costs, tipping prompts, and value
11:04 Topic begins: Lessons learned on the IBC journey
11:37 Looking back with experience vs. starting out
11:58 Were we nervous? (Stock market vs. IBC peace of mind) 12:25 "Is this legal?" and how we verified it
13:31 Guarantees & risk-averse comfort with IBC
15:13 Skepticism after a bad experience; finding IBC
15:37 What we'd tell our younger selves (client & agent)
15:58 Premium vs. cash value—using policy as a pass-through
17:04 Premium is an "environment" for money to flow through
18:07 Advisor sequencing: debt, cash flow, and policy loans
19:14 Agent lessons: mentorship, brand, and language
20:00 Big myth: you don't make money on the loan
21:01 Why cash value still grows when you borrow
21:52 Nelson's "extra interest" = more premium (not loan profit)
22:51 Simplifying repayment (and avoiding hype)
23:57 "Just start"—conservative, consistent funding
24:15 A cautionary start (0% card) and why not to do that
26:04 Why guidance matters (your life dictates the sequence)
28:04 Surround yourself with IBC users & Think Tank energy
29:30 Community: Coffee with MJ, client summits
30:44 Track monthly growth; watch it season over time
31:11 2010 policy: 15-year reflection
31:34 Keep your original illustration—compare later
32:30 No regrets; right timing vs hindsight
33:17 Going full force: learning, events, immersion
34:00 Think Tank excitement & new-agent energy
34:45 Client events cadence & getting people to show up 😄
35:31 How to connect + next steps

👉 Get the book, learn the fundamentals, and avoid the common pitfalls. https://www.withoutthebank.com/book/

👉 Read the book and ready to design your first (or next) policy? Schedule an appointment with Tarisa or Mary Jo.

👉 Clients: join Coffee with MJ and keep compounding your knowledge.

Links & Contacts Mentioned:

Book & resources:
https://www.WithoutTheBank.com/

Emails:
Tarisa@WithoutTheBank.com | MaryJo@WithoutTheBank.com

(Clients) For Coffee with MJ & summit details: check your client portal/email invites

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