Educator and peacebuilder Nazir Ahmad Yosufi was born in 1985 in Afghanistan, and has persisted through decades of Soviet war, civil war and US war to devote his life to helping people see a better way. Along with his academic work, he's a marathon runner and environmentalist, and runs World BEYOND War's Afghanistan chapter from Hamburg, Germany. We talk about history, the war economy, the poetry of Jalal ad-Din Muhammad Rum, the ideas of Carl Jung and much more in this fascinating interview. Musical excerpt: Nusrat Fateh Ali Khan based on Rumi.