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Gareth Hughes is the Director of the Wellbeing Economy Alliance Aotearoa is a former Green MP and is no longer a member of any political party.

Tim Hurdle is a former National senior adviser, consultant and director of several companies. He is currently the Campaign Director for Auckland Mayor Wayne Brown.

[picture id="4K7TZUT_For_lease_corner_jpg" crop="16x10" layout="full"] Gareth and Tim discuss the week in politics including how small businesses are faring.

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