Our guest this week is Craig Ruggless who, along with his husband Gary Jack-a-muck, runs Winnetka Farms in Los Angeles’ San Fernando valley. Craig and Gary grow heirloom Italian vegetables, breed standard double-laced Barnevelder chickens, bake bread, preserve food and much more. In the first part of our conversation we’ll talk about heirloom Italian vegetables. In the second part, on next week’s podcast, we’ll talk about livestock.