Episode 213 is Jeff Payne. In 2019, when Jeff was the Chief of the Dayton Ohio Fire Department, his department faced 2 mass casualty events in a short period. The Dayton area was hit with tornadoes and then an active shooter event. Jeff talks about the incidents, response, lessons learned, and more. We also discuss Jeff's career as a Marine, his career in the fire department, and his leadership style.
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