How the CEO of Kenya's biggest bank built his empire, and where he is headed next.
You can say hello on twitter @joshuaoigara.
We met at our annual event, The Africa CEO Forum, held this year in Kigali.
We talk about everything from:
-today's protectionism,
-how you build for scale,
-the new Nairobi-Mombasa railway, fighting back against the idea that Kenya is drowning in debt.
And Oigara explains what he intends to do next: after two terms in the CEO seat, his time at KCB is drawing to a close.
But we started talking about the opportunity that KCB sees in Somalia => where some $10bn transits through the payments system each year.
You can join the conversation @theafricareport or on our Facebook page, and say hi to Nick @nicknorbrook