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We talk with Dr. Kelly Victory, MD, about San Diego county moving back into the “orange tier level“ and if this is going to lead to more mandates. Is this science or political science? Then, Steve Hilton from Fox News “the next revolution“ and CA rebel base joins us. California continues to go in the wrong direction in many ways and Newsom is taking victory laps in his run for the presidency. Does Gavin think Californians have amnesia?