This episode intersperses a performance by experimental Indonesian doom folk metal band Senyawa (recorded in Folkestone in April 2022) with a discussion with their vocalist and lyricist Rully Shabara. The interview covers topics including his approach to writing lyrics, use of allegory and imagery, and how this has changed over Senyawa’s musical evolution since their formation n in 2010 in Yogyakarta. This episode serves as a preview for the first translation into English of Rully’s lyrics for Senyawa, which will shortly be published by Minor Compositions.