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Interview with Katie Jones.   Katie shares her journey of faith and how it led her to empower others in managing their finances through a Christian lens, and, how important grace is in overcoming financial challenges. ----------------------- This episode is sponsored by MyPillow. If you've been thinking about any of the MyPillow products, you can use the ‘www.mypillow.com/refuge’ affiliate code to get a great discount on all their products, and, support the work at Refuge Ministries Canada. Or, if you prefer speaking directly to someone on the phone, call 800-750-2869 and mention the 'refuge' code.