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Toby Litt interviews Eliane Brum, author of Banzeiro Òkòtó: The Amazon as the Centre of the World, an edition audiobook now available from Spiracle. It is a book transporting and transforming in equal parts. Eliane is an award-winning Brazilian journalist, writer, and documentarist, and a founder of Sumaúma: Journalism from the Centre of the World, a trilingual news platform based in Altamira, in the Amazon rainforest, where she lives. Eliane reflects powerfully on living in the Amazon, and on amplifying indigenous voices rather than speaking for them. We are not lacking voices, she says, we are lacking ears.