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Amri B. Johnson - Rethinking DEI to Create Anti-fragile Organizational Cultures
Send us a textAmri B. Johnson, inclusion strategist and founder of Inclusion Wins, joins us this episode to discuss the tumultuous climate of DEI practices in today’s organizations and how companies can navigate toward more effective inclusion strategies. [0:00] IntroductionWelcome, Amri!Today’s Topic: Creating Anti-fragile Organizational Cultures[7:27] How to begin tackling DEI challengesShifting current DEI practices built on outdated paradigmsUnderstanding viewpoints of those with opposing opinions[16:39] Navigating DEI amidst anti-DEI rhetoricRecognizing that people are multi-dimensional, not two-dimensionalBuilding trust within an organization to impro...
2025-06-19
36 min
Reconstructing Inclusion Podcast
Reconstructing Inclusion S2E11: Why Ending Race is the Future of Antiracism: Dr. Sheena Mason's Breakthrough Approach to Race/ism
In this episode, I sit down with Dr. Sheena Mason, author of "The Raceless Antiracist: Why Ending Race is the Future of Antiracism," for a conversation that challenged everything I thought I knew about racial justice. Sheena presents her revolutionary "Togetherness Wayfinder" framework—a practical roadmap beyond traditional antiracist thinking toward what she calls "raceless antiracism."This isn't just academic theory. It's a fundamental reimagining of how we approach inclusion, justice, and human liberation that could transform organizations, communities, and individual relationships.🔥 Standout Quotes:"The fiction of race is the dehumanizing appar...
2025-06-13
1h 03
The Two Piers Podcast
Season 6 Kickoff: Reflections, Recharging, and What’s Ahead
In this season opener, Erica D’Eramo returns to the Two Piers Podcast after a deliberate break between seasons. She reflects on the decision to step back in order to better support clients—particularly those in the federal government—affected by recent executive orders and reductions in force. Erica also shares personal insights from the past few months, including navigating illness, grief, and the necessity of taking time to rest and recharge.This episode offers a preview of what’s ahead in Season 6: a revamped newsletter focused on workplace tools and practices, and a compelling lineup of guests i...
2025-05-15
11 min
Relationships at Work - the leadership podcast helping you build workplace connection, improve culture, and avoid blind spots.
Systemizing Inclusion for Lasting Change w/ Inclusion Strategist Amri B. Johnson
In this episode of Relationships at Work, I sit down with Amri B. Johnson, executive advisor, organizational consultant, and founder of Inclusion Wins, to explore what it truly means to systemize inclusion. We break down his Emergent Inclusion System—an approach that goes beyond checkboxes and surface-level DEI initiatives to create lasting, impactful change in the workplace.Amri shares how organizations can operationalize inclusion through everyday practices, empowering skilled operators to carry the message forward, and building resilience that strengthens through adversity. We also discuss the importance of cultural intelligence, accountability through action—not just mand...
2025-05-13
49 min
Reconstructing Inclusion Podcast
Reconstructing Inclusion S2E10: Transcending Ideology: Making Inclusion an Organizational Superpower
In this episode, host Amri Johnson explores why many DEI efforts have failed to deliver sustainable change and offers a principle-centered framework that thrives even in challenging political climates.Key Discussion Points:- Why the "Chicken Little" mentality has weakened DEI's position - The three keys to effective inclusion: accessibility, actionability, and alignment - How anti-fragile organizations use inclusion as a competitive advantage - Why both proponents and opponents of DEI have "hijacked" the conversation - The difference between practitioners with "skin in the game" versus opportunists
2025-05-09
25 min
High Octane Leadership
Building Cultures That Win: How Employee Engagement Fuels Business Success with Amri B. Johnson
What’s the real secret to building a high-performing team? Donald Thompson is joined by Amri B. Johnson—author, business strategist, and founder of Inclusion Wins—for a conversation about why employee engagement, not empty initiatives, is the true driver of organizational excellence.Together, they explore how today's leaders can create thriving workplaces where trust, psychological safety, and shared purpose aren't just ideals—they're measurable advantages. Amri reveals why companies that prioritize authentic engagement outperform competitors, and how relational skills, empathy, and culture-building are essential tools for future-proofing leadership in a turbulent world. Donald and Amri also take a g...
2025-05-01
31 min
People Managing People
The DEI Reset: What’s Changing and Why It Matters
DEI has become a polarizing topic, making it harder to have meaningful conversations about building truly inclusive workplaces. In this episode, host David Rice speaks with Amri B. Johnson, founder of Inclusion Wins, about shifting the focus from divisive debates to practical systems that create lasting change. Amri challenges traditional DEI approaches, advocating for inclusion-first strategies that move beyond representation to ensure people can meaningfully contribute. Whether you're skeptical or deeply invested in DEI work, this conversation offers a fresh perspective on making inclusion a sustainable reality.Related Links:Join the People M...
2025-04-22
35 min
Intentional Conversations
Intentional Conversations with Amri B. Johnson
Welcome to Intentional Conversations, where we intersect diversity, equity, and inclusion with leadership and business. This week we welcomed Amri B. Johnson to Intentional Conversations and if there is one phrase that summarizes this entire episode, it is #BounceHigher. So, grab your headphones 🎧, press play, and let the conversation begin!** Be sure to SUBSCRIBE to our channel because we're all about keeping the great conversations flowing. **KEY TAKEAWAYS FROM AMRI:When you’re in the midst of chaos the best thing to do is act. You learn, you sense, you respo...
2025-04-15
57 min
Reconstructing Inclusion Podcast
Reconstructing Inclusion S2E9: 'Three Steps Forward, Two Steps Back': Howard Ross on DEI's Historical Resilience
In this episode, Howard Ross draws on four decades of DEI experience to offer wisdom in today's polarized climate. Howard, who brought me into the DEI field years ago, discusses how today's backlash fits into historical patterns and provides strategic guidance for practitioners navigating political headwinds.Key Discussion Points:- The shift from a "bell curve society" to a "dumbbell curve society"- Distinguishing between performative, symbolic, and transformational DEI work- Why activism and organizational change require different skillsets- Strategic approaches to continuing inclusion work in challenging...
2025-04-11
47 min
Do Good To Lead Well with Craig Dowden
Reconstructing Inclusion: Building Sustainable and Inclusive Organizations with Amri Johnson
Discover how to revolutionize your organization by embedding inclusion into its very DNA. Explore the foundations of Amri's groundbreaking book, "Reconstructing Inclusion," which challenges the norms of traditional DEI approaches. Through his experiences at Novartis, Amri shares how organizations can cultivate environments where everyone thrives by aligning skills and capabilities with their purpose.Addressing the elephant in the room, we tackle the current backlash against DEI efforts and explore the concept of anti-fragility. Learn how creating spaces for civil dialogue and fostering cognitive diversity can combat ideological resistance and enhance productivity. Amri also highlights...
2025-04-03
56 min
Org Design Podcast
Inclusion in Org Design and creating conditions for EVERYBODY to thrive with Amri B. Johnson
In this episode of the Org Design Podcast, hosts Tim Brewer and Amy Springer welcome Amri B. Johnson from Inclusion Wins. Amri shares his journey into organizational design, revealing how his background as an epidemiologist shaped his understanding of leadership and management. He discusses the importance of creating organizational structures that foster emergent strategies, emphasizing that "structure creates behavior." Amri highlights the common pitfalls organizations face when trying to implement diversity, equity, and inclusion (DEI) initiatives, noting that many fail to align their strategies with their stated goals. He argues for a shift in perspective: DEI should not be seen...
2025-03-27
29 min
Learning Hack podcast
LH #111 Is D.E.I. Now D.O.A.? with Amri B. Johnson
The Battle To Keep Inclusion on the Organizational Agenda
2025-03-17
52 min
The Learning Hack podcast
Is D.E.I. Now D.O.A.? with Amri B. Johnson
The Battle To Keep Inclusion on the Organizational Agenda. Is Diversity, Equity, and Inclusion (D.E.I.) under existential threat? With political shifts and corporate cutbacks, is this the end of D.E.I. as we know it—or just a moment of transformation? In this episode, John Helmer speaks with Amri B. Johnson, author of Reconstructing Inclusion and CEO of Inclusion Wins, about the evolving landscape of D.E.I. in the workplace. They discuss whether D.E.I. is fundamentally flawed, if it will persist under different branding, and how organizations should adapt to...
2025-03-17
52 min
Reconstructing Inclusion Podcast
Reconstructing Inclusion S2E8: Escape the Box: The Uncomfortable Truth About Today's DEI Discourse
In this episode, host Amri Johnson challenges us to examine how we put ourselves and others into boxes—especially in the context of identity and inclusion within DEI work. Amri explores the shortcomings of both extreme pro-DEI and anti-DEI positions, revealing how both ends of the spectrum ultimately restrict true inclusion.Key Discussion Points:- Three types of boxes that shape our identities- Why binary thinking in DEI work leads to ineffective outcomes - The "anti-racist" versus "not racist" framework - How today's anti-DEI backlash mirrors the problematic dy...
2025-03-07
20 min
Overall HR Podcast
Episode 18 - DEI Unfiltered: Facts, Feelings, and the Future of Inclusion with Amri B. Johnson
In this episode of Overall HR, Chase sits down with inclusion strategist Amri B. Johnson to unpack the complexities of diversity, equity, and inclusion (DEI) in organizations. They tackle common misconceptions, the balance between meritocracy and DEI, and how data-driven hiring can foster genuine workplace diversity. The discussion also dives into the challenges of navigating polarized DEI conversations, emphasizing the need for curiosity, empathy, and fact-based decision-making. Amri highlights actionable strategies for creating inclusive cultures where all employees can thrive, even amidst social and political divides.
2025-03-06
42 min
The HR Dialogues
#32 | Inclusion in the Workplace: Building Cultures Where Everyone Thrives
How can organizations create a truly inclusive environment where everyone can grow? Join Dr. Dieter Veldsman as he speaks with organizational effectiveness and DEI expert Amri B. Johnson about building inclusive workplaces.Welcome to The HR Dialogues with Dr. Dieter Veldsman! Join AIHR's Chief HR Scientist to learn from People Practitioners as they navigate the changing world of work.In this episode of The HR Dialogues, Dr. Dieter Veldsman sits with Amri B. Johnson – organizational effectiveness and diversity, equity, and inclusion expert – to discuss the importance of creating conditions for people to thrive within organizations.
2025-02-20
39 min
Reconstructing Inclusion Podcast
Reconstructing Inclusion S2E7: Drawing Lines, Creating Distance: Fred Falker on What's Really Dividing Us
In this episode, Fred Falker challenges everything we think we know about DEI. Using the famous nine-dot puzzle as a metaphor, Fred explains why our current approach to inclusion might be holding us back – and offers a revolutionary new way forward.Key Discussion Points:- The nine-dot puzzle and invisible limitations- Difference vs. Distance paradigm- Why nature doesn't draw lines?- The problem with current DEI approaches- Moving beyond categories to connection- Measuring real impact in DEI work...
2025-02-07
57 min
Organizational Sherlocks, a Business Psychology podcast
S2, Ep.4: Building Inclusive Environments: Actionable DEI Strategies with Amri B. Johnson
In this enlightening episode of Organizational Sherlocks, Amri Johnson, the founder of Inclusion Wins, joins the discussion to explore actionable and sustainable approaches to Diversity, Equity, and Inclusion (DEI). Johnson shares his unique perspective on creating inclusive environments that foster organizational growth and employee well-being. Tune in to uncover strategies for integrating DEI into everyday practices and making a meaningful impact within your organization.
2025-01-28
42 min
Living Corporate
What Does Sustainable DEI Look Like?
Zach sits down with healthcare executive, consultant, speaker, and entrepreneur Amri Johnson to talk about his journey and the future of DEI work.Check out our merch! https://living-corporate-shop.fourthwall.com/Learn more about Living Corporate's offerings and services.https://www.living-corporate.com/aboutJoin our Patreon!https://www.patreon.com/livingcorporate
2025-01-28
55 min
Reconstructing Inclusion Podcast
Reconstructing Inclusion S2E6: Moving Beyond the DEI (and Anti-DEI) Bandwagon in 2025
Reconstructing Inclusion with Amri B. JohnsonSeason 2, Episode 6: Moving Beyond the DEI (and Anti-DEI) Bandwagon in 2025📝 Episode Description:In this episode, Amri explores why traditional DEI approaches are failing organizations and introduces the Emergent Inclusion Framework - a new paradigm for creating sustainable, inclusive cultures. Learn how to move beyond bandwagon solutions and build organizations that generate "thick value" and thrive through change.⏱️ Time Stamps:[00:00:00] - Introduction and context of DEI's evolution since 2021[00:01:00] - The transition of DEI consultants and practitioners[00:02:00] - Under...
2025-01-10
15 min
Reconstructing Inclusion Podcast
Reconstructing Inclusion S2E5: Beyond Lived Experience: The Case for DEI Competency Standards
In this explosive episode, former legal compliance expert turned DEI strategist Ashanti Bentil-Dhue drops truth bombs about the uncomfortable reality of DEI practice. She reveals why lived experience isn't enough, challenges the notion of "social justice in the workplace," and explains why the $30 billion DEI industry needs serious reform.Key Discussion Points:- Why 90% of self-taught DEI practitioners are a red flag- The controversial truth about "lived experience" as qualification- Why charging more for being Black is undermining the profession- The problem with "changing hearts and...
2024-11-29
43 min
Pigskin Predictions
Week 11 Preview with Fantasy Risers and Fallers
Hopewell Valley Student Podcasting Network Show Name: Pigskin PredictionsEpisode Title: Episode 5 - Risers and fallers, matchups of the weekSegment 1: RisersKyler Murray266 passing yards, 1 passing TD, 21 rush yards, 2 rushing TDDominant win vs Jets Cardinals sitting atop the NFC WestJoe Burrow428 passing yards, 4 passing TDHaving his best season despite the bengals failing recordCalvin Ridley9 targets, 5 catches, 84 yards, 2 TDConnecting with Will Levis back under center
2024-11-18
08 min
ROI of DEI
148 Inclusion System and its impact on business growth with Amri B. Johnson
We covered topics - Your journey into DEI - Money as fuel to do the work - What impact do you want to create? - Story of Inclusion Wins - How to create cultures from the hearts - Inclusion Strategies that work for organisations - What are your thoughts on the ROI of DEI? - What do you do to attract new leads? - Which service of yours can be delivered in a week? - How much can a...
2024-11-09
42 min
Reconstructing Inclusion Podcast
Reconstructing Inclusion S2E4: Drawing Larger Circles: DEI Beyond Political Division
Welcome to the Reconstructing Inclusion Podcast! Today, I’m excited to dive into a timely and challenging topic: navigating the winds of political change while maintaining our commitment to diversity, equity, and inclusion (DEI). As we explore this theme, I’ll share insights on how we can view perceived setbacks as setups for meaningful comebacks. Personal Reflections on Political DynamicsLet me share a personal story that significantly shaped my understanding of political dynamics. In 2016, I had extensive conversations with friends from my hometown in Topeka, Kansas, who were now living in v...
2024-11-08
22 min
Global Inclusion in Practice Podcast
The Heart of DEI: Inclusion, Adaptation, and Antifragility, with Amri B. Johnson
“You can't go any deeper with your clients than you can go within yourself. And if you can't go that deep, you're going to stay in one space.” - Amri B. JohnsonAmri B. Johnson is a seasoned DEI practitioner and organizational culture advocate, CEO & Founder of Inclusion Wins. He is a husband, a father, a stepfather, a son, an uncle. He is immensely well-read and connected with the historical and conceptual roots of DEI work. He’s an American living in Basel, Switzerland, still trying to figure out if he’s an expat or an immigrant.You...
2024-10-22
58 min
Reconstructing Inclusion Podcast
Reconstructing Inclusion S2E3: Trust as a Skill: Dr. Darryl Stickel on Vulnerability, Leadership, Uncertainty, and Inclusion
In this episode of the Reconstructing Inclusion Podcast, host Amri Johnson interviews Dr. Darryl Stickel, a leading expert on trust. Dr. Stickel discusses how modern relationships have become shallow due to social media, emphasizing the importance of building deeper connections. He explores trust in organizational contexts, highlighting the role of vulnerability in leadership and team dynamics. Timestamps01:58 Personal Inspirations and Overcoming Challenges03:28 The Importance of Trust in Relationships10:59 Building Trust in Teams and Organizations18:35 Navigating Trust in an Uncertain World
2024-09-24
37 min
Reconstructing Inclusion Podcast
Rivers not puddles
Imagine a workplace where every employee, regardless of their differences, is set up to thrive. A place where managers are charged not just with hitting targets, but with creating an environment where even those they clash with can excel. Sound like a fantasy? It's not. This is the reality of what I call an "inclusion system," and it's the key to transforming your organization from a fragile puddle into a mighty, enduring river. Let me share a story that illustrates this powerful approach...In a world where businesses often prioritize profit...
2024-08-30
05 min
Reconstructing Inclusion Podcast
Reconstructing Inclusion S2E2: Shifting DEI Perspectives: Ten Recurring Themes Across Podcasts
In this episode, Amri B. Johnson, host of the Reconstructing Inclusion Podcast, revisits ten insightful questions from his past podcast appearances, offering a comprehensive look at his approach to Diversity, Equity, and Inclusion (DEI). Timestamps01:55 Amri's background and journey into DEI work07:00 Relationship between DEI and anti-racism 10:00 Approach to deconstructing and reconstructing the DEI paradigm15:00 Dealing with resistance to DEI initiatives 17:00 Optimism about the future of DEI efforts 20:00 Defining diversity and inclusion 22:00 Appro...
2024-08-22
34 min
Lift-Off With Energizing Results
436-Amri Johnson
Episode Summary As CEO/Founder of Inclusion Wins, Amri and a virtual collective of partners converge organizational purpose to create global impact with a lens of inclusion. His theory of change is focused on building ‘Inclusion Systems.’ Inclusion systems provide direction and momentum in the complexity of organizations that allow them to be antifragile—leaning into and engaging with resistance, stressors, disruptions, and disequilibrium and being stronger as a result of such engagement. His book, Reconstructing Inclusion: Making DEI Accessible, Actionable, and Sustainable outlines how organizations can create inclusion-normative cultures and build...
2024-08-08
17 min
Reconstructing Inclusion Podcast
Reconstructing Inclusion S2E1: Evidence-Based Inclusion: Elevating DEI with Dr. Jonathan Ashong-Lamptey
In this episode, host Amri Johnson welcomes Dr. Jonathan Ashong-Lamptey, founder of The Element of Inclusion, to discuss evidence-based inclusion and its importance in creating more effective diversity, equity, and inclusion (DEI) strategies.Timestamps06:46 Influences and Inspirations: Personal and Professional16:12 The Importance of Evidence-Based Decision Making19:33 The Rhetorical Problem in Diversity and Inclusion22:12 Evidence-Based Inclusion and Emotional Appeals22:36 Unconscious Bias Training: Effectiveness and Critiques23:41 The Role of Credibility in DEI24:50 Understanding Data vs. Evidence25:34 Current State of DEI and Pushback27:37 Challenges in DEI Implementation40:56...
2024-07-16
48 min
The Element of Inclusion
The Authority Series: Amri Johnson on Reconstructing Inclusion
Inclusion can be co created but it requires social capital. Find out why social capital is so important for inclusion. Here’s some key topics covered from this episode: – How systems thinking can be used to build inclusion. – Why trade-offs must be considered in inclusion work – Why counter-stereotyping helps mitigate biases Play the … The Authority Series: Amri Johnson on Reconstructing Inclusion Read More » The post The Authority Series: Amri Johnson on Reconstructing Inclusion appeared first on Element of Inclusion.
2024-06-18
00 min
The Element Of Inclusion
The Authority Series: Amri Johnson on Reconstructing Inclusion
Inclusion can be co created but it requires social capital. Find out why social capital is so important for inclusion. Here’s some key topics covered from this episode: - How systems thinking can be used to build inclusion. - Why trade-offs must be considered in inclusion work - Why counter-stereotyping helps mitigate biases Play the episode for more Here’s some key takeaways from this episode: Social capital is under explored area of inclusion work “People do it, because belonging is sexy...
2024-06-18
52 min
Let's Humanize The Workplace!
Reconstructing Inclusion Leading Change in the 21st Century Workplace
Welcome to another inspiring episode of "Let's Humanize The Workplace," hosted by Vivian Acquah, CDE®. For this episode Vivian will be interviewing Amri B. Johnson, the renowned CEO and Inclusion Strategist of Inclusion Wins. Amri will be discussing his groundbreaking book, Reconstructing Inclusion: Making DEI Accessible, Actionable, and Sustainable. During this conversation, Vivian will delve into the core themes of his book, exploring practical strategies for making diversity, equity, and inclusion efforts both effective and enduring. Join the conversation live as Vivian and Amri uncover insights that can transform your workplace into a more inclusive and equitable environment. Host Vivian A...
2024-06-18
48 min
Reconstructing Inclusion Podcast
Reconstructing Inclusion: Season Two Begins
Amri B. Johnson acknowledges the growing criticism of diversity, equity, and inclusion (DEI) efforts, but argues that DEI remains crucial for organizational success in creating truly inclusive cultures. He believes many current strategies treat inclusion as an add-on rather than fundamentally rethinking systems and cultures, often failing to drive deep systemic change.Season two of the Reconstructing Inclusion podcast aims to move beyond surface-level discussions by featuring contrarian voices to challenge assumptions and re-imagine what authentic inclusion could look like. Key topics will include embracing complexity, exploring cultural intelligence, leveraging data and social capital analysis, examining...
2024-05-24
20 min
Reconstructing Inclusion Podcast
Reconstructing Inclusion S1E15: Listening Alchemy: Lessons on Presence, Context, and Connection with Raquel Ark
In this episode of the Reconstructing Inclusion Podcast, host Amri Johnson interviews Raquel Ark, an expert on the art and science of listening. They discuss the importance of listening for diversity, equity, and inclusion (DEI), and how it can be practiced and improved upon both personally and professionally. Raquel shares insights into her background, growing up between cultures, and how it shaped her understanding of different perspectives and listening. She highlights the experiences that led her to focus on listening, including her work in corporate communications and facilitation. The conversation delves into practical aspects of listening, such as creating...
2024-04-12
49 min
Leading Consciously
"We/they" instead of "us": Have some in DEI made this into a blame game?
This week Jean interviews Amri Johnson, CEO of Inclusion Wins, "a global cooperative of product and service providers focused on people-related solutions for organizations of all sizes." He is the author of Reconstructing Inclusion: Making DEI Accessible, Actionable, and Sustainable. Amri Johnson has a few provocative things to say about the current state of efforts toward diversity, equity, and inclusion. "Contact theory basically said, when you bring people together as equals, and I'm not talking about economically, but as under the Constitution equals, and you bring them together to solve a common problem or to address a common goal...
2024-03-19
59 min
Reconstructing Inclusion Podcast
Navigating Difficult Conversations: Deciphering Intent and Impact
This is a free preview of a paid episode. To hear more, visit reconstructinginclusion.substack.comIn this video, I reflect on the importance of receiving meaningful feedback and its impact on personal growth and professional development. Drawing inspiration from a recent encounter with a client, I discuss the importance of acknowledging praise to foster a positive environment that encourages growth.Why is appreciation and feedback important in nurtu…
2024-03-11
01 min
Reconstructing Inclusion Podcast
Reconstructing Inclusion S1E14: Iatrogenesis & Agency: How can DEI practitioners/supporters discern and evolve the current state of practice?
In this episode of the ‘Reconstructing Inclusion’ podcast, Amri expresses concerns over the perceived threats to DEI, outlining that the resistance stems from a misunderstanding of what DEI truly signifies, beyond just representation and affirmative action. He explores the concept of 'Iatrogenic effects'—a medical term, indicating a treatment that causes more harm than good. Amri draws parallels between such unintended negative outcomes in healthcare and similar phenomena observed in DEI implementations, where initiatives sometimes inadvertently foster dependency, exclusivity, or counter-productive tensions. Through personal anecdotes and references to scholarly works, Amri makes the case for a reevaluation of DEI strate...
2024-03-08
41 min
HR Works: The Podcast for Human Resources
HR Works Presents Pages of HR: Reconstructing Inclusion
While most of us would never dream of ostracizing our coworkers—especially those who have been historically excluded in the workplace because of their perceived “otherness”– many people routinely feel left out of workplace culture. According to DEI strategist Amri B. Johnson, it’s because truly good people, who wholeheartedly support diversity, equity, and inclusion, don’t go far enough to show they care. He notes that, “real inclusion is rooted in what’s in our hearts, but it must live in our daily actions.” That good intentions aren’t enough, and while leaders can set the tone for everyone to follow, caring pe...
2024-02-21
30 min
Reconstructing Inclusion Podcast
Reconstructing Inclusion S1E13: The Role of DEI in Startups and Scaling Enterprises: Insights from Laura Smith
In this episode of the ‘Reconstructing Inclusion’ podcast, Amri interviews Laura Smith, a celebrated organizational researcher and Diversity, Equity, and Inclusion (DEI) strategist. Laura shares her journey from Detroit to Europe, her encounters with distinct cultures, and the notion of work in different countries. She highlights the significance of DEI in startup and scale-up companies, discussing a data-driven approach to understanding employee safety, company culture, and readiness to respond.In this episode, Laura also talks about her experiences navigating DEI in various cultural contexts, particularly in the Nordic startup scene. They discuss the importance of intentionality in D...
2024-02-07
46 min
Reconstructing Inclusion Podcast
Preventing “Affinity Sclerosis”
In celebration of Black History Month, I urge all of us to integrate Black History teachings into our daily lives. To learn about Black, African, and African-American history, not only during this month, but throughout the year. I recently came across a post responding to criticisms that DEI initiatives lower standards. In my opinion, this notion is misguided and indicative of a form of “Affinity Sclerosis”, a term I coined to describe the hardening of ideological positions. DEI is about creating an environment for individuals to thrive, rather than justifying the course by righ...
2024-02-01
10 min
Life of And
Here’s what every working mom really wants with Amri Kibbler
🎉 Summer Giveaway Alert!To celebrate summer (and Tiffany turning 45!), we’re giving away a bundle of her favorite things — from fashion to wellness to a few sanity-saving goodies.How to enter:Rate or review The Life of And on Apple Podcasts or SpotifyScreenshot it and either DM @Tiffany on Instagram or send it to our email tiffany@tiffanysauder.comNo forms. No hoops. Just share the love + you’re in. Winner picked end of the month!Amri Kibbler knows all about the challenges working mothers face, and the community they need...
2024-02-01
35 min
Reconstructing Inclusion Podcast
The Beloved Community
In this video, I share key insights from a recent keynote I did about “The Beloved Community”, echoing Dr. Cornel West's belief that love should involve an unwavering dedication to the well-being of the so-called “other”. The idea of “otherness”, and the notion of “us and them” contradicts true belonging. I urge us to resist the temptation to prioritize our own comfort and ego, which I see as a form of “laziness”. Drawing inspiration from Howard Thurman, Josiah Royce, and Dr. Martin Luther King Jr., let’s remind ourselves of the importance of love even when faced with negati...
2024-01-26
08 min
Reconstructing Inclusion Podcast
DEI Conversations Beyond Echo Chambers
In this video, I share my thoughts on how often DEI is criticized without further understanding what it encompasses. There is a lack of robust discussion on diversity, equity, and inclusion (DEI), with people often overreacting in DEI conversations. I had a recent dialogue with a colleague about an article on Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. and what could have been his thoughts on DEI. It was a great opportunity to explore and reflect on our different perspectives and just become advocates for advancing DEI conversations.DEI experts, strategists, and practitioners must be beacons for...
2024-01-19
18 min
Reconstructing Inclusion Podcast
The Attack on DEI: Reactions to Ideological Misconceptions
In this video, I share my perspective on the current state of Diversity, Equity, and Inclusion (DEI) in light of recent controversies, particularly focusing on the scenario surrounding Harvard’s former president.Is DEI under attack?Let’s talk about the implications of positioning a single individual or personality as the face of DEI, and how this oversimplification could undermine the ideals it encompasses. I highly encourage everyone to take a more nuanced view of DEI beyond fixed standpoints and reactions to the news cycle. Let’s examine the complexities and tensions of differ...
2024-01-12
11 min
Reconstructing Inclusion Podcast
Reconstructing Inclusion S1E12: Creating the Conditions to Follow Your Heart with Dr. Harriett D. Johnson
In this episode of the 'Reconstructing Inclusion' podcast, host, Amri B. Johnson, engages in an enlightening conversation with his mother, Dr. Harriett D. Johnson, bringing out profound narratives about her life, family history, experiences, and take on DEI, and professional journey as an educator. They touched on the impact of history on current diversity and inclusion practices, based on Dr. Johnson's experiences growing up.She shares insights from her long career in the education sector, emphasizing the importance of perspective, integrity, and resilience. Lastly, Dr. Harriett also reflects on her late husband's business acumen and discusses...
2024-01-12
44 min
C-Change Show- Changing Business Culture for GOOD
S2 E83 - HIGHLIGHT - Amri B Johnson- CEO, Inclusion Wins
In this highlight episode of my transformative conversation with Amri Johnson, I unpack how bringing expectations that people will change to the equity and Inclusion conversation may be inhibiting progress.More about Amri B Johnson:For more than 20 years, Amri B. Johnson has been instrumental in helping organizations and their people create extraordinary business outcomes. He is a social capitalist, epidemiologist, entrepreneur, and inclusion strategist. Amri's dialogic approach to engaging all people as leaders and change agents (previously at the research division of Novartis, as Global Head of Cultural Intelligence and Inclusion) has fo...
2023-12-21
18 min
C-Change Show- Changing Business Culture for GOOD
S2 E82 - Amri B Johnson- CEO, Inclusion Wins
Is it possible that progressive, DEI specialists are bringing resistance and judgment to the table? In my revealing conversation with the insightful Amri Johnson we discussed how practitioners like us can get in our own way of progress.More about Amri B Johnson:For more than 20 years, Amri B. Johnson has been instrumental in helping organizations and their people create extraordinary business outcomes. He is a social capitalist, epidemiologist, entrepreneur, and inclusion strategist. Amri's dialogic approach to engaging all people as leaders and change agents (previously at the research division of Novartis, a...
2023-12-14
47 min
GLOBAL CONVERSATIONS || SEASON 3
Episode 10: The Future Trends of EDI | Global Conversations SS3
In this conversation, Andre Darmanin and Amri Johnson discuss various topics related to DEI and organizational change. They explore trends and reactions in the field, the role of DEI within organizations, the effectiveness of Employee Resource Groups (ERGs), the importance of cultural intelligence, and the need to address class and social mobility in DEI efforts. The conversation explores the intersection of class and identity politics, emphasizing the need to understand class disparities and create solidarity among marginalized groups. It also delves into the role of AI in shaping organizations and the importance of responsible implementation. The overarching theme is...
2023-12-12
53 min
Reconstructing Inclusion Podcast
Reconstructing Inclusion S1E11: Exploring Organizational Network Analysis Around the World with Dr. Starling David Hunter III
In this episode of the ‘Reconstructing Inclusion’ podcast, Amri chats with Dr. Starling David Hunter III, who, having lived outside the U.S. for 18 years, recognizes the importance of cultural nuances in shaping organizational behavior theories. He shared valuable insights into his journey from engineering to organizational behavior, emphasizing the importance of bridging theory and practice.The conversation delves into the dynamics of teaching in diverse cultural contexts, from the Middle East to Europe, and how adapting teaching methods has unveiled the cultural underpinnings of organizational theories. They explored the challenges of making Organizational Network Analysis (ONA...
2023-12-01
54 min
The Diverse Podcast
#58 How To Boldly Embrace Inclusion
In this enlightening episode, Tobi engages in a thought-provoking conversation with Amri B. Johnson, seasoned keynote speaker, inclusion strategist and author of "Reconstructing Inclusion." With over 30 years of experience, Mr. Johnson shares invaluable insights on how to integrate diversity, equity, and inclusion into your organisation's long-term strategy. Don't miss this opportunity to learn how to create the conditions necessary for underrepresented groups to thrive in the workplace. Tune in now for expert guidance on fostering a diverse workforce and “unambiguously prioritising inclusion”. To find out about early-career opportunities check out our Gen Z careers network here: https://wear...
2023-11-30
52 min
Reconstructing Inclusion Podcast
Reconstructing Inclusion S1E10: DEI Work Means Skin in the Game (Otherwise, It’s Just Posturing)
In this episode of the ‘Reconstructing Inclusion’ podcast, Amri provides a deep dive into the complexities of DEI outcomes and calls for a broader, more inclusive approach that engages all individuals in fostering change. He encourages everyone to contemplate how to make DEI accessible, actionable, and sustainable for everyone, irrespective of their role or expertise. Amri also talks about Inclusion Wins' “Theory of Change”, which focuses on 'Inclusion Systems' design, cultural intelligence (CQ), and social capital as key components of fostering DEI outcomes. The episode raises questions about creating conditions that foster risk-taking and skill development and, particularly, challenges DEI prac...
2023-11-03
16 min
Reconstructing Inclusion Podcast
Reconstructing Inclusion S1E9: Digital, Diverse & Divided: Exploring Cultural Intelligence with David Livermore
In this episode of the ‘Reconstructing Inclusion’ podcast, Amri chats with Dr. David Livermore, founder of the Cultural Intelligence Center, and author of the book, Digital, Diverse & Divided: How to Talk to Racists, Compete With Robots, and Overcome Polarization. He shared insights into the profound importance of cultural intelligence (CQ) in our increasingly diverse and digitized world. With a passion for bridging cultural gaps and fostering genuine connections, Dr. Livermore's work has had a transformative impact on individuals, organizations, and societies. His work highlights the need for a fresh perspective on diversity, one that transcends mere recognition of differences. He e...
2023-10-05
35 min
GLOBAL CONVERSATIONS || SEASON 2
Episode 2: Global EDI with Amri B. Johnson, Diya Khanna and Jaya Saxena
With the increase in globalization and flow of labour across countries and continents, there is an increasing need to look at equity, diversity and inclusion from a global lens. The challenge sometimes is that due to the power of media, EDI efforts are seen through the lens of American issues. How can equity practitioners and leaders be more inclusive and humane to cultural issues?
2023-09-20
54 min
Reconstructing Inclusion Podcast
Reconstructing Inclusion S1E8: Is DEI Under Fire?: Ask Chicken Little (but he won’t respond)
In this episode of the ‘Reconstructing Inclusion’ podcast, Amri discusses recent developments in Diversity, Equity, and Inclusion (DEI) primarily focused on the U.S. context but with global relevance. He emphasizes the importance of clear communication regarding DEI's impact and significance and to avoid becoming overly reactive to political statements, as this can inadvertently amplify their impact. This episode encourages meaningful dialogue and systemic change within organizations, keeping in mind that effective DEI work involves engaging with diverse perspectives, and should focus on substantive impact and advancing the mission. Lastly, Amri warns us of the dangers of being swayed by m...
2023-09-01
30 min
Partnering Leadership
275 Making DEI Accessible, Actionable, and Sustainable with Amri Johnson | Partnering Leadership Global Thought Leader | Partnering Leadership Thought Leader
In this Partnering Leadership episode, Mahan Tavakoli speaks with Amri B. Johnson, inclusion strategist and author of Reconstructing Inclusion: Making DEI Accessible, Actionable, and Sustainable. In the conversation, Amri Johnson emphasizes the need for a more inclusive view of diversity that goes beyond marginalized groups and includes everyone. Amri also explores the concept of meritocracy and how it should be approached in organizations, highlighting the importance of recognizing potential and providing development opportunities. Additionally, Amri Johnson addresses the role of artificial intelligence (AI) in DEI, emphasizing the need for transparency and mindful use of AI systems to ensure they...
2023-08-15
49 min
Reconstructing Inclusion Podcast
Reconstructing Inclusion S1E7: Quantifying Intersectional Identity: The Value of Inclusive Data
In this episode of the ‘Reconstructing Inclusion’ podcast, Amri is joined by 3 key members of the Diversity Atlas team: Peter Mousaferiadis, Rezza Moieni, and Michael Walmsley. The discussion delves deeper into the concept of intersectionality and its role in shaping diverse identities. Learn how Diversity Atlas takes a multifactorial approach, allowing individuals to define their identities across an array of dimensions—ethnicities, languages spoken, religious groups, and more. Understand how this approach enables a comprehensive understanding of human experiences and supports targeted, inclusive strategies. Gain insights into how inclusive data sets and nuanced categorizations enable a richer understanding of cultur...
2023-08-04
44 min
Reconstructing Inclusion Podcast
Reconstructing Inclusion S1E6: What is Race Abolition?: Illuminating Racialization’s Complexity
In this episode of the ‘Reconstructing Inclusion’ podcast, Amri along with esteemed Philosophers, Dr. Subrena Smith and Dr. David Livingstone Smith offer profound insights into the complex dynamics of race and its impact on society. They argued that race is not simply about skin color but encompasses metaphysical views, evolutionary history, and social hierarchies. By ascribing certain traits and attributes to different racial groups, individuals perpetuate a flawed system that fosters inequality and marginalization. They also touched on the importance of exploring the social construction of race within academia to better comprehend and address the complex issue...
2023-07-07
1h 04
Why Care?
33. Reconstructing Inclusion with Amri Johnson
In Episode 33, I am joined by Amri Johnson, CEO and Founder of Inclusion Wins, to discuss the dangers of being led only by emotion and not reason, the dangers of being led by passion and not skill, and what DEI practitioners and organisations need to do to sustain DEI efforts. Amri’s DEI journey has spanned over two decades and is based on his experiences as a social capitalist, epidemiologist, entrepreneur, consultant, inclusion strategist, podcaster, and author of Reconstructing Inclusion. It was his experience in management that steered him towards inclusive leadership, organisational development, and organisational effectiveness. Th...
2023-07-04
47 min
Reconstructing Inclusion Podcast
Reconstructing Inclusion S1E5: Social Media Storms’ Strategic Ignorance
In this episode, Amri unpacks the social media backlash and the polarized opinions surrounding “Don’t Call Me Karen,” a series of dialogues facilitated by Uber’s Chief Diversity and Inclusion Officer, Bo Young Lee. Amri encourages listeners to consider Lee’s profound message and the need to challenge our own strategic ignorance in order to foster systemic change.Key highlightsThe comparison between Steve Jobs and Travis KalanickA look back at the case of Denise Young Smith at AppleBo Young Lee's response to the backlashThe concept of "strategic...
2023-05-31
31 min
Reconstructing Inclusion Podcast
Reconstructing Inclusion S1E4: Beyond Race and Gender
In this episode of the ‘Reconstructing Inclusion’ podcast, Amri chats with April Thomas, Chief Solutions Officer of SDMS 360. She shares her story of how she came to be involved in diversity management work after her father, Dr. Roosevelt Thomas Jr.'s passing. April reflects on his approach to diversity, and discovered his work was based on principles and that this resonated with her. Don't miss out on this informative and thought-provoking conversation!Key highlightsExpanding the conversation beyond representational diversityLooking at organizational culture, systems, and policies in order to increase retention rates and...
2023-04-28
55 min
An inclusive labour market
29. Diversity & Inclusion in Sweden and the world today | An inclusive labour market 2023
Amri B. Johnson, CEO Inclusion wins Laurence Romani, Professor in Management, Stockholm School of Economics. In a stage conversation, we get a global perspective on diversity and inclusion. Amri B. Johnson leads the international cooperative Inclusion wins. He gives us an outlook on the world and tells us about the shift in thought and action that is required of organisations in order for all people to flourish and contribute to set goals. Laurence Romani, a researcher specialized in cross-cultural leadership and diversity, gives us insight into the latest findings about inclusive organisations and their opportunity to contribute to inclusive...
2023-04-27
19 min
The Great Design Lead Podcast
#104: Celebrating two years
Celebrating two years of the podcast! Looking back, I’ve strung together every intro over the last 104 weeks. Listen to all the different personalities and accents in one place. Thank you to everyone below who was so generous with their time and stories. You’ve made me a better person through our chats and friendship :) Sai Kannekanti Nico Voss & Max Angele Asiyah Bhallo Caroline Scheinfeld Heather Waroff Matthias Cordes Benjamin Delin Nelson Abalos Jr An...
2023-04-26
36 min
An inclusive labour market
26. Intro with Sofia Appelgren, Mitt Liv & Jim Rottman, Volvo Cars | An inclusive labour market 2023
An inclusive labour market 2023 – a symposium from 23 March 2023 that highlighted the most important measures and solutions to create an inclusive workplace and labour market. The program 2023 included: ▶ Strengthening organisational resilience through diversity and inclusion (Lenka Prokopec Karlberg) ▶ Diversity & Inclusion in Sweden and the world today (Amri B. Johnson & Laurence Romani) ▶ From a mentoring program to a top job at Volvo: a success story (Thathsara Palliyaguru & Per Utterbäck) ▶ The necessary transformation in D&I and the IDGs: how to reach the 2030 goals (Pål Dobrin) ▶ How inclusive are Swedish companies? Fresh figures from Novus (Peter Blid) ▶ Mitt Liv’s CEO program: the p...
2023-04-04
08 min
Reconstructing Inclusion Podcast
Reconstructing Inclusion S1E3: Wokeness, Cancel Culture, and DEI
In this episode of the ‘Reconstructing Inclusion’ podcast, Amri argues that while some individuals are engaging in diversity, equity, and inclusion (DEI) and anti-racism work with a generative spirit that deconstructs and reconstructs, many others are becoming entrenched and egoistic, resulting in a breakdown in relatedness. Key highlightsThe DEI space is becoming brittle and entrenched rather than anti-fragileCompanies are pulling back on some of the anti-racism and DEI commitments made, which can only be surmised because they don't openly say whyLived experience alone does not equate to proficiency or skill...
2023-03-28
41 min
Reconstructing Inclusion Podcast
Reconstructing Inclusion S1E2: Love and Power in DEI
In this episode of Reconstructing Inclusion, Amri chats with Doug Harris, CEO of The Kaleidoscope Group with over three decades worth of experience in diversity, equity & inclusion consulting. During this inspiring conversation, they discuss how DEI work is about making people better than when you found them - doing it all with love! Discover how powerful individuals can create meaningful change for a more equitable society from two experts in the field! Key highlightsThe death of George Floyd and the global pandemic have caused an inflection point in DEI work since 2020Doug H...
2023-02-27
47 min
Fuel Your Imagination Through Your Ears With Full Audiobook
Reconstructing Inclusion: Making DEI Accessible, Actionable, and Sustainable Audiobook by Amri B. Johnson
Listen to this audiobook in full for free onhttps://hotaudiobook.com/freeID: 636794 Title: Reconstructing Inclusion: Making DEI Accessible, Actionable, and Sustainable Author: Amri B. Johnson Narrator: Mirron Willis Format: Unabridged Length: 08:32:39 Language: English Release date: 01-31-23 Publisher: Ascent Audio Genres: Business & Economics, Management & Leadership, HR & Office Administration Summary: Organizations of all types are making unprecedented investments in unconscious bias training, diversity recruitment, and anti-racism education. Words like belonging and equity are on the list of aspirational outcomes for these efforts, but the pathways to those goals are unclear because their implementation has been reactionary, supplemental, and in too many...
2023-02-01
8h 32
Reconstructing Inclusion Podcast
Reconstructing Inclusion: The Inaugural Episode
In this first episode of the Reconstructing Inclusion Podcast, hosted by Amri B. Johnson, a Diversity, Equity and Inclusion strategist and author of Reconstructing Inclusion: Making DEI Accessible, Actionable, and Sustainable, he shares at a high level what this podcast is all about. About the HostAs CEO/Founder of Inclusion Wins, Amri and a virtual collective of partners converge organizational purpose to create global impact with a lens of inclusion. His theory of change is focused on building ‘Inclusion Systems.’ Inclusion systems provide direction and momentum in the complexity of org...
2023-01-26
08 min
Sunday Morning Magazine
1/15/23 - Amri Johnson
Amri Johnson is the CEO/founder of Inclusion Wins. Amri and a virtual collective of partners work to create global impact with a lens of inclusion.Amri is the author of Reconstructing Inclusion: Making DEI Accessible, Actionable and Sustainable. Diversity, Equity and Inclusion are vitally important to our success as individuals and as humanity. It's up to each of us, and as Amri states: It's a 'we' thing.See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.
2023-01-15
29 min
Issues Today Radio
Issues Today 23-3
(#23-3-Jan. 9-Jan. 15) Amri Johnson talks about inclusion and diversity. Andrew Campbell discusses the new era of apprenticeships plus Michael Letts on Invest USA.
2023-01-09
28 min
Low Limit Futbol
This Week In Football: 2022 World Cup Group D Preview
In our next edition of 2022 World Cup preview shows, Joe and Roberto start out with their quick overview of the group (:25). We then welcome in Nicklas Degn, Danish football journalist to preview Denmark (2:55). From there, we welcome in Amine El Amri, North African football journalist to preview Tunisia (21:50). After that, we welcome in Jonathan Johnson, French football journalist for CBS Sports to preview the defending champions, France (36:15). Our last guest is Dan Colasimone from ABC Australia to preview Australia (54:00). We then close with our predictions for the group (1:06:10).
2022-11-15
1h 10
Penn State Supply Chain Podcast
Episode 5 - Diversity, Equity, and Inclusion
This month's guest, Rakhi Agarwal, Franchise Engagement Leader at Johnson and Johnson's Janssen Supply Chain, shares that, "The right pool of talent can only come if you build diversity into the fabric and DNA of the organization." While most supply chain organization's recognize the value and importance of diversity among supply chain talent, how to build a culture of diversity, equity and inclusion can be less clear. Rakhi shares advice for organizations who wish to start, build, and maintain a culture that leverages diversity. She shares how we can all become agents of change and how our personal commitment to...
2021-08-31
28 min
Soul of a Leader
Fluent Leadership
Amri Johnson started his career in public health and then pivoted into a focus on diversity and inclusion in the business realm. For over 19 years, he has been instrumental in helping organizations and their people inspire and create extraordinary in their business and community. Amri’s parents were a big inspiration growing up. By watching their examples of leadership, Amri has been able to influence and lead others. His core value is integrity. Amri consistently leads with compassion, care, and love for all humankind. Spiritual transformation is at the heart of everything he does. Above everything, choose humanity.
2021-08-29
26 min
The Will to Change: Where Leadership Meets the Courage to Evolve
E180: The Opportunity of Inclusive Leadership with Cherise Bernard and Amri Johnson
This episode, originally recorded as a DEI Community Call, features a conversation with Cherise Bernard, PhD, Director of Diversity, Engagement and Inclusion at McCann New York and Founder of Modern Work Consultancy, and Amri Johnson, CEO and Founder of Inclusion Wins. Discover how leaders can help drive an inclusive and equitable culture from the top down, and how leaders can hold themselves accountable to this work, and create more accountability within each part of their business to ensure impact. You'll also discover practical ways for leaders to flex their cultural competencies. ·
2021-08-13
48 min
In-house Recruitment
Becoming Less Reactive and More Proactive in Your Approach to DEI
This episode is taken from our 2021 Diversity & Inclusion Virtual Conference panel discussion where we were joined by Elaine Dela Cruz, Amri Johnson and Joanne Lockwood to discuss some of the key actions talent teams can take to become more proactive in their approach to DEI. Enjoy!
2021-07-14
44 min
Morgan Latif Presents...
Amri Johnson: Deconstructing and Reconstructing the D&I paradigm (Season 3 Episode 4)
Welcome to Season 3, episode 4 of Morgan Latif Presents. In this episode, Sam Latif - Co-Founder and Director of Morgan Latif is joined by Amri Johnson. For over 20 years, Amri Johnson has been instrumental in helping organisations and their people create extraordinary business outcomes. Amri is the CEO/Founder of Inclusion Wins, he is building a global cooperative of people-focused solution providers for those whose work are informed and enhanced by inclusiveness.In this podcast episode we discuss Amri's 20 year journey in the D&I space. We talk most notably about the stuck points he believes D&I i...
2021-06-11
44 min
Best Next Step with Cass McCrory
In Business Archive: Building a Business, Self Care and Single Mothering with Lauren Sweeney
In this episode, we meet Lauren Sweeney. Lauren, a single mother living in Brooklyn, is the co-founder and CEO of poptop land, a digital marketing firm geared towards comedians. We get into so much goodness about being a female founder, taking care of ourselves, and the importance of balance. Grab your notebook -- Lauren gives us so many gems in this episode. Where you can find Lauren: Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/wherebluebirdsfly_/Website: https://www.poptop.land/LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/lauren-sweeney-2084b41...
2019-11-11
55 min
AMplify - Conversations at the Australian Museum
Dr Rebecca Johnson
Australian Museum Director and CEO Kim McKay talks to Dr Rebecca Johnson, Director of the Australian Museum Research Centre (AMRI) about her motivations to become a wildlife geneticist. "I look at the DNA of pretty much any species of animal, wildlife in our world here at the Australian Museum basically means all animals but not typically plants, and that also excludes humans... There's so many reasons why you'd want to know about animal DNA..."
2016-03-29
15 min
AMplify - Conversations at the Australian Museum
AMplify for International Women's Day
“Here at AMRI, I’m so passionate about the work we do, of our three most senior scientists, two of them are women, we are very fortunate here to have that kind of leadership, that kind of expertise” Dr Rebecca Johnson Director, Australian Museum Research Institute, Science and Learning
2016-03-08
13 min