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This Week At Windsor
02. When God Interrupts the Ordinary (feat. Nick Hood)
This week on This Week At Windsor, Jonathan sits down with Nick Hood, CEO of CRU. Nick shares what CRU is all about and the many ways they’re reaching young people with the gospel — through school camps, lunchtime programs and school holiday camps. It’s a powerful glimpse into what God is doing in schools and in the lives of students across the country.Nick also opens up about his own journey to faith, his years serving in CRU, studying at Sydney Missionary and Bible College (SMBC), working in an pastoral and evangelical role at Newcastle Univer...
2026-02-27
26 min
This Week At Windsor
01. Turning the Tables (feat. Katie Macgregor)
Season 5 is here! After a long break since Christmas, This Week At Windsor is back, and this time Jonathan and Ardin finally turn the tables.In Episode 1, they sit down with Katie Macgregor, the producer behind the podcast. Katie shares her journey to faith, how her family came to WDBC, and what life looks like in this season of motherhood. The conversation dives into the pressures mums face today, the unseen mental load that so often comes with raising young children, and the joy and challenge of doing it all in a world that constantly has something...
2026-02-20
25 min
This Week At Windsor
20. Merry Christmas!
This Week At Windsor wraps up 2025 with a special final episode featuring Jonathan and Ardin. They share their Christmas holiday plans and reflect on the year that was, looking back on some of the guests and conversations that really stood out to them. There’s plenty of fun along the way too, including a round of Would You Rather (Christmas edition), before brainstorming what the podcast could look like in the year ahead.It’s a light, joy-filled way to close out the year and say thank you for listening. Merry Christmas and see you in 2026!
2025-12-18
15 min
This Week At Windsor
19. Jesus Is The Truth Teller (feat. Amy Townsend)
This week Gwen Parkhill steps in as our special guest host and sits down with Amy Townsend and Jonathan. Amy visited Windsor a few months back, and it didn’t take long before we knew we needed to hear more of her story. She talks about the many roles she juggles being mum and pastor, and reflects on her time studying at SMBC. Amy also shares how her calling slowly took shape and led her into ministry. It’s a warm and thoughtful conversation you won’t want to miss.
2025-12-10
36 min
This Week At Windsor
18. Family Is Home (feat. Jermea Benny John)
This week at Windsor we sit down with one of our interns, Jermea Benny John. Jermea’s story is anything but ordinary. She grew up as a missionary kid, she’s had chapters of life spent in New Zealand, India and Australia. She shares how she ended up at WDBC through a pretty unique connection with Jonathan, and how her background has shaped her heart for ministry.Jermea talks about what church looks like on the mission field in India - very different to Australia, but deeply rooted in sharing Jesus through everyday life and relationships. She refl...
2025-11-21
22 min
This Week At Windsor
17. A Christmas Visit (feat. Jessica and Barry Shafer)
This Week At Windsor, Jonathan and Ardin are joined by some very special guests from across the world—Jonathan’s cousin Jessica and her husband Barry Shafer. Jessica is a world-renowned singer, and Barry is a teacher of the Word. Together, they share the whirlwind story of how God brought them together, how He has shaped their lives and ministry, and what it looks like to serve Him wherever He leads.We’re also excited to welcome Jessica and Barry in person at Windsor for our Carols Service on Saturday, 7 December. Jessica will be leading us in son...
2025-11-07
20 min
This Week At Windsor
16. The Prodigal Drummer (feat. Dave Daniels)
This Week At Windsor, Jonathan and Ardin sit down with Dave Daniels, our very own WDBC member with a story that echoes the heart of the prodigal son. Growing up as a pastor’s kid, Dave left home and walked away from God at 17, chasing happiness through success, music, and life on his own terms - looking up to his idols in music.But God had other plans. Dave shares his powerful journey of coming home - to his parents, church, and eventually his faith. Now a man deeply rooted in prayer, Dave talks about the importance of...
2025-10-24
28 min
This Week At Windsor
15. Honest Grace (feat. Michelle de Rooy)
This Week At Windsor, Jonathan and Ardin are joined by WDBC regular, mum, wife, and full-time worker Michelle de Rooy. Michelle shares about her role as Community Engager at Norwest Christian College - what it’s like being the “gatekeeper” for students and families, and the joys and challenges that come with it. She also opens up about her faith journey, navigating anxiety, and supporting her kids through ADHD and autism.It’s an honest, hope-filled, and often hilarious chat - complete with a few stories from Michelle and Jonathan’s past!
2025-10-10
26 min
This Week At Windsor
14. What Is Church Health? (feat. Tim Burns)
This Week At Windsor, Jonathan and Ardin sit down with Tim Burns, Team Leader for Gen1K Church Health at Baptist Churches NSW & ACT. Originally from the UK, Tim shares his journey of faith from childhood to full-time ministry, serving in a wide variety of churches - each needing support in their own way. Together, they unpack the question, what is church health?It’s an encouraging and insightful conversation about what it really means for a church to flourish.
2025-09-26
21 min
This Week At Windsor
BONUS EP. Thoughts On Charlie Kirk
This Week At Windsor brings you a special bonus episode as Jonathan and Ardin share reflections on the recent assassination of Charlie Kirk. In this heartfelt conversation, Jonathan processes the shock of the news, considers Kirk’s impact as a political activist and commentator, the state of US politics and Kirk's unashamed and upfront evangelistic approach to the bible. This is an honest, reflective episode. If you’d like to process Charlie Kirk’s assassination or talk through anything else that’s on your heart, you’re welcome to reach out to Jonathan at jonathan@wdbc.org.au or conta...
2025-09-19
15 min
This Week At Windsor
12. Ministry Matters (feat. Rick Trist)
This Week At Windsor, Jonathan and Ardin sit down with Richard (“Rick”) Trist, brother of our very own Elizabeth Trist - for an open and thoughtful conversation about life in ministry. Rick shares stories from his years serving in London in a large church setting, the joys and challenges of his current role supervising clergy, and the ups and downs that inevitably come with a lifetime of ministry. It’s an honest and encouraging episode for anyone who wants a deeper look at the realities of serving God’s people.
2025-09-05
24 min
This Week At Windsor
11. Faith Under Fire (feat. Joe Zanayed)
This week, Jonathan and Ardin welcome Jonathan’s former college roommate, Joe Zanayed, to the podcast. Joe shares about his years in ministry across the Middle East, his experiences serving the persecuted church, and the challenges of returning to the USA and finding a church home. This episode is a must listen!
2025-08-13
23 min
This Week At Windsor
10. Made For Freedom (feat. Joanna Hoffman)
This Week At Windsor, we’re joined by Joanna Hoffman - wife of our very own Jonathan Hoffman - for a powerful and personal conversation about freedom in Christ. Joanna shares why she’s so passionate about about spiritual freedom by giving us a glimpse into her own journey of transformation.She also unpacks the upcoming Made New: Freedom course, which she’ll be hosting from Sunday 3rd August. Running over 12 weeks across two terms, the course begins in the book of Galatians and dives deep into the heart of freedom and the real, lasting change it brings...
2025-07-25
25 min
This Week At Windsor
09. Love, Distance & New Beginnings (feat. Lisa & Nelson Asare)
This Week At Windsor, we’re back after a short break with a warm and inspiring conversation with Nelson and Lisa Asare - relatively new to our church community.Lisa is a local, Nelson hails from London, and both share roots in Ghana. They tell the story of how they met at church, navigated a long-distance relationship for years (including during COVID!), and how Nelson made the bold move to leave his career in media to marry Lisa and start a new life here in Australia.Now expecting their first baby, Nelson and Lisa reflect on...
2025-07-04
29 min
This Week At Windsor
08. From Head to Heart (feat. Gwen Parkhill)
This Week At Windsor, we sit down with Gwen Parkhill- a gifted speaker, teacher, writer, and mum of two - she shares her journey from South Africa to Canada and eventually to Australia. Gwen opens up about how God has shaped her story, and moved the Gospel from her head to her heart, and why being imperfect is more than okay in light of a perfect God.She also shares powerful stories of reaching out to her community through Bible study, honest conversations, and everyday faith and friendships. It’s a heartfelt, honest, and inspiring conversation that wi...
2025-05-30
23 min
This Week At Windsor
07. Speaking Jesus in Japan (feat. Joey Millard)
This Week At Windsor, we catch up with Joey Millard - a missionary in Japan with deep roots there, having grown up as a missionary kid himself. Joey shares what it’s like serving in Japan today, the joys and challenges of cross-cultural ministry, and how his upbringing shaped his heart for mission.Plus, Joey and Jonathan take a fun trip down memory lane, swapping stories from their college days that are equal parts hilarious and heartwarming.It’s a great blend of insight, laughter, and gospel-centred purpose.
2025-05-23
19 min
This Week At Windsor
06. Wiser With Jesus - Part 2 (feat. Zack Eswine)
The boys are back again this week with Part 2 of their interview with author and pastor Zack Eswine. In this section, Zack brings the wisdom of Jesus into the home, where he offers some tips and traits of how the wise approach parenting. Using some all-too-real scenarios, Zack unfolds how the wise approach difficult situations with more nuance than simply asking, "What is true?" and "What should I do?"We trust you'll be blessed! Feel free to check out Pastor Zack's website sagechristianity.com and to register for KCC's Men's Basecamp Conference where he will be speaking thi...
2025-05-16
27 min
This Week At Windsor
05. Wiser with Jesus - Part 1 (feat. Zack Eswine)
This Week At Windsor, we’re joined by Missouri-based pastor and author Zack Eswine for Part 1 of a rich and thoughtful conversation. Zack will be speaking at the upcoming BASECAMP men’s conference. Zack shares his insights into wisdom and relates it everyday moments of life.We also chat about his latest book Wiser with Jesus: overcoming the Temptations That Hinder Your Relationships, Steal Your Time, Mar Your Decision-Making and Thwart Your Purpose. You can order your copy here or head to Zach website Sage Christianity here.Come and listen to Zacks wise words and...
2025-05-09
21 min
This Week At Windsor
04. Dads Don’t Retire (feat. Peter Davies)
This Week At Windsor, we’re joined by Peter Davies for an encouraging and down-to-earth chat about life, faith, and fatherhood. Peter shares about what to expect at the upcoming men’s conference, how he shared the bible with his daughter by having a weekly "bookclub", and what it looks like to keep showing up and following through as a parent—even in the tough moments. It’s a warm and honest conversation that’ll resonate with anyone navigating faith and family.
2025-04-11
21 min
This Week At Windsor
03. Keeping That Spark (feat. Janelle Keys)
This Week At Windsor, we sit down with Janelle Keys—photographer, newly published author, graphic designer, and business owner! Janelle shares her journey of working for herself for so many years, stepping into a graphic design role at church, and how creativity has shaped her life. We talk about her deep admiration for Walt Disney, her recent trip to Disneyland, and the joys and challenges of watching her children grow up while trusting God with their future.🎥 Check out Janelle’s previous "Christian in Cars Getting Coffee" interview here: Click here📸 Want to purchase Janelle’s...
2025-03-28
27 min
This Week At Windsor
02. From the Stage to the Skies to the Field (feat. Aidan Holt)
This Week At Windsor, we dive into the incredible journey of Aidan Holt. Raised in a Christian home, Aidan’s path has taken him through performing arts school, an aeronautical engineering degree, his call to the mission field all of which has lead him to us at WDBC. He shares how faith shaped each step of his journey, his slow "friend zoned" start in his relationship with his wife Emily, and the exciting new role he’s stepping into at Windsor District Baptist Church as our new Associate Pastor. Don’t miss this episode to get to know Aidan a litt...
2025-03-14
25 min
This Week At Windsor
01. Expanding Foundations: What’s Ahead for WDBC
Season 4 kicks off with Jonathan and Ardin catching up and looking ahead at what’s to come in the life of Windsor District Baptist Church! They dive into the exciting launch of the new Foundations course this weekend and discuss what they hope it will bring to the church community. It’s a relaxed and insightful conversation to start the season—tune in to get up to speed on what’s happening at WDBC!
2025-02-27
13 min
This Week At Windsor
19. Home From the Field (feat. Craig McCorkingdale)
This Week At Windsor, we’re joined by Craig McCorkingdale, who shares his journey as a missionary in Cambodia. Craig opens up about the call that led him and his family overseas, the challenges and rewards of life on the mission field, and then the process of returning to Australia to re-establish a life back home. Craig has a great heart to love and serve his community no matter where in the world that community is, have a listen to learn more about what life is like as a missionary, the effects of culture shock and so much more!
2024-11-01
23 min
This Week At Windsor
18. Is Normal a Compliment? (feat. Hilton Edwards)
This Week At Windsor, we’re joined by Hilton Edwards, a captivating storyteller and CEO of Bible League International. Hilton shares his remarkable journey to faith, detailing the radical changes that came with with his walk with Jesus. We dive into his calling to Australia, the impactful work of providing Bibles to prison ministries, creating bible translations to suit the Indigenous Australians, and so much more. Prepare to be inspired by a conversation full of faith, purpose, and passion for bringing the Word to those all across the world.
2024-10-25
35 min
This Week At Windsor
17. The Big Cheese (feat. Rev Dr Steve Bartlett)
This Week At Windsor, we’re joined by Rev Dr Steve Bartlett, otherwise known as the Big Cheese! As the Director of Ministries for the Baptist Association NSW & ACT, Steve shares his insights on what makes a church truly healthy, the dynamic of healthy congregationalism, and his personal journey leading to his current role. And, of course, he faces the heat of Jonathan’s rapid-fire questions with ease! Whether you’re curious about leadership or church life, this episode is packed with wisdom, laughs, and inspiration.
2024-10-05
26 min
This Week At Windsor
16. Quality Comes From Quantity (feat Colin Wellings)
This Week At Windsor, we welcome Colin Wellings, a pastor with a passion for both faith and farming! Colin shares stories from his life studying crop disease, his views on how evolution and God connect, and the significance of Jesus telling his disciples of "the white harvest." He also digs deep into how quantity can lead into quality as well as his personal journey to faith, and the essential role both church and small groups play in spiritual growth. Get ready for an inspiring episode that mixes science, faith, and wisdom in one captivating conversation!
2024-09-27
29 min
This Week At Windsor
15. Sitting On The Rock (feat. Jacky Turano)
Join hosts Jonathan and Ardin for this week's inspiring episode of This Week at Windsor! We’re thrilled to welcome Jacky Turano, the heart and soul behind the Jeremiah Project. Jacky’s ministry has been a beacon of hope for the homeless and those going through tough times in the Hawkesbury community and beyond -- providing not just meals, but a lifeline of support and compassion.In this moving conversation, Jacky opens up about the powerful journey that led her to establish The Jeremiah Project—a journey born from a year of profound grief and turning away from w...
2024-09-06
19 min
This Week At Windsor
14. Leading From Security (feat. Craig Farmer)
This Week At Windsor, we’re thrilled to welcome Craig Farmer from Partners in Ministry to the episode!Craig, a passionate advocate for uplifting churches and businesses, will share his wisdom on how humility in leadership can transform communities and business. We’ll explore his personal faith journey, discover what drives his mission to encourage others, and learn how we can all infuse our own leadership with a bit more heart.Give this episode a listen for all this and more!
2024-08-14
26 min
This Week At Windsor
13. In The Groove (feat. Mark Pentecost)
This Week At Windsor we bring you captivating stories and inspiring conversations straight from our backyard with WDBC member Mark Pentecost!Mark shares his remarkable journey from gospel band frontman to a passionate advocate on the mission field in Ukraine. Discover how his faith and musical background have shaped his path and the incredible work he’s doing to support those in need.Tune in to hear Mark's heartfelt stories, his insights into faith and service, and be one of the first to get a peek at whats to co...
2024-08-02
24 min
This Week At Windsor
12. Tumbling Through Life (feat. Tahlia Kaden)
This Week At Windsor, join us as we summersault into the life of Tahlia Kaden; life time member of WDBC, the gravity-defying tumbler and step-daughter to our co-host Ardin.In this episode, Tahlia takes us on her journey—from the high-flying world of competitive tumbling to the deep waters of navigating faith and mental resilience through high school. We talk about everything from mental health and social media, the strength Tahlia finds in Jesus to the invaluable support of her coach and her sport. So, grab your headphones and get ready to flip your perspective on...
2024-07-12
26 min
This Week At Windsor
11. Can We Trust the Bible? (feat. Dr. Jeffrey Aernie)
How can we think well about who God is? This Week At Windsor we had the opportunity to speak with Dr Jeffrey Aernie, Professor at Alphacrucis University College and New Testament Scholar. As a fellow American, Jeff and Jonathan go back twenty years attending the same University, then seminary together. Jeff is a lover of language which drew him to study the New Testament in the original Greek. Jeff, Jonathan and Ardin dive into a world of higher education and how it differs in Australia compared to the Untied States. Along the way they also explore how t...
2024-07-05
29 min
This Week At Windsor
10. Behind the Pulpit - Part 2 (feat. Pastor Lee Eclov)
This Week At Windsor, we have a very special guest return once again: author, pastor, preacher, and retired minister Lee Eclov joins us all the way from the United States to discuss his reflections on life and ministry "behind the pulpit." Lee was lead pastor at Village Church of Lincolnshire where he pastored many seminarians, including Jonathan.In this part two of a two-part episode, Lee dives into his own journey from a young boy taking the step to trust in God, his personal growth from "resisting God" to becoming free in Gods love, then following the c...
2024-06-28
23 min
This Week At Windsor
09. Behind the Pulpit - Part 1 (feat. Pastor Lee Eclov)
This Week At Windsor, we have a very special guest: author, pastor, preacher, and retired minister Lee Eclov joins us all the way from the United States to discuss his reflections on life and ministry "behind the pulpit." Lee was lead pastor at Village Church of Lincolnshire where he pastored many seminarians, including Jonathan. In this first of a two-part episode, Lee shares his gift of encouragement with us, along with a lot of wisdom, while we explore what it was like to shepherd "in the living room of people's lives." We trust that you will be st...
2024-06-21
27 min
This Week At Windsor
08. It Only Takes One Shot (feat. Julia Boland)
WE'RE BACK! After a few months off we are back and ready to hit the ground running. We're starting off strong with a fantastic chat with Julia Boland, who is a former LPGA golfer, now turned school teacher and administrator. Julia fell into golfing almost as seemlessly as she fell into her Christian faith, following God's path from Australia to Texas A&M University in the U.S. Growing up with both as an integral part of life, Julia opens up about how she not only deepened her faith on the pro circuit, but shared it with her fellow...
2024-06-14
32 min
This Week At Windsor
07. Delivering for the Community (feat. Mayor Sarah McMahon)
So we've teased it for a while, but finally we delivered. And we could not think of a better way to celebrate International Women's Day than to finally deliver on our promise to interview our Hawkesbury Mayor, Sarah McMahon. Join us as we sit down with the figurehead of our local government to learn what she is doing to deliver for the needs of our community. She's got answers to all our curious questions: How does one become Mayor? What do they do day to day? How much do they get paid? Or how the job can impact on...
2024-03-22
25 min
This Week At Windsor
06. That No Christian Suffer Alone (feat. Anna Hutchins)
Anna Hutchins, a returning guest and renowned rescuer of flatmates, stops by to talk about the persecuted church and her role with Open Doors. Anna touches on the the different kinds of persecution that we can experience and how it effects some of the top 50 most persecuted countries in the world. She also shares some of her own challenges on how easy it is to become complacent within a country that does not highly persecute us for our religion and perhaps why it seems so daunting to be uncomfortable put yourself out there as a believer and follower of...
2024-03-19
21 min
This Week At Windsor
BONUS: When Church Is (and Isn't) "Safe" (feat. Jonathan Bradford)
On this BONUS episode, Pastor Jonathan sat down with Rev. Jonathan Bradford, head of the Ministry Standards division for the Baptist Association of NSW and ACT. They discussed the importance of keeping churches "safe" for everyone, but especially children and vulnerable adults. Trigger Warning: This is an important listen for anyone involved in church ministry, but especially for those who have been hurt, disillusioned, or traumatized by recent revelations of child sexual abuse in churches across Australia and the wider world. If you know anyone impacted by such matters, we encourage you to seek help thr...
2024-03-16
22 min
This Week At Windsor
05. The Gospel Alive In Schools (feat. Mark Ramsay)
We're back with ANOTHER PRINCIPAL! This week Jonathan sits down with Mark Ramsay, new Principal of Kuyper Christian School. In this episode Jonathan discusses what led Mark to want to become a principal and what impact the gospel can have in the lives of students. Along the way we explore a variety of topics in education, but don't miss the end where Mark tells us what he still hates about school!
2024-03-08
33 min
This Week At Windsor
04. Finding A Purpose (feat. Felicity Marlow)
So teachers don't actually live at school?Join Ardin and Jonathan as they sit down with special guest Felicity Marlow, Principal of Norwest (+ Ngarra) Christian College. From working her way up from parent to Principal, Felicity shares her passion in building up the younger generation to know their God-given purpose.With over 20 years of experience in the education industry, Felicity highlights the importance of Norwest's teaching and learning framework: Building Purposeful Lives - and how it sets Norwest apart from other schools in the independent sector. Along the way she opens up about her own...
2024-02-16
36 min
This Week At Windsor
03. "Worth the Wait" (feat. Judy Bolas)
Ardin and Jonathan are faithfully keeping to last week's promise as they sit down with our new Kids Ministry Leader: Judy Bolas. Having given her life to Christ at the age of 8, Judy shares the struggles and joys in surrendering herself to God and serving Him in various ministries.(PLUS: This week's recommendation has something to do with the Superbowl? Tune in to find out!)
2024-02-09
24 min
This Week At Windsor
02. Windsor vs. Bolivia (feat. Nito Minaya)
Does culture shape our church? Or does the church shape our culture? Hosts Ardin and Jonathan sit down with Bolivian star, Arsenio (also known as Nito) Minaya and explore both the striking differences and similarities between our churches.Tune in to find out how our special guest made the journey all the way to our church in Windsor (HINT: you won't believe it has to do with Ardin!)
2024-02-02
26 min
This Week At Windsor
01. "Back & Better than Ever" (feat. Eddie Bang)
Hosts Ardin and Jonathan are starting 2024 with another BANG - literally, as they sit down once again with special guest Eddie Bang (who is now officially our Equipping Pastor!)In this episode, Eddie shares the importance of acceptance as well as the increasing pastoral shortage and failings of the Western Church. Along the way you'll glean some tips on where to go for your next road-trip and what to watch this weekend!PLUS: find out if Ardin and Jonathan can keep their "pinky-promise" to you this year?
2024-01-25
20 min
This Week At Windsor
11. "Don't Go Into a Shell With Pain" - Pt 2. (feat. Dr. Jenny Brown)
As Jonathan is living his best life back in the motherland, co-host Ardin Beech sits down with our one and only Producer to fill you in on all the exciting events coming up This Week At Windsor!In this second episode, Jonathan and Dr. Jenny Brown (Author, speaker, practitioner, and co-founder of the Family Systems Institute in Australia), dive deeper into the potential pitfalls of anxious systems, triangular conversations and the challenging "empty nest." After sharing a bit of her personal history, Jenny opens up about her spiritual journey and what it looks like to grow yourself...
2023-11-17
27 min
This Week At Windsor
10. Never Too Late To Grow Up - Pt 1. (feat. Dr Jenny Brown)
That's true...even for our co-host, Ardin Beech, who is back in the studio with Jonathan (and special ring-in Eddie Bang) to preview the first of two episodes featuring our stellar guest Dr. Jenny Brown. She is an author, speaker, practitioner, and co-founder of the Family Systems Institute in Australia.Having devoted her career to the field of family systems research, Jenny sits down with Jonathan to discuss the relational dynamics of families and the way this impacts our life, relationships and sense of identity. By applying key concepts of the Bowen Systems Theory, Jenny begins to...
2023-11-03
23 min
This Week At Windsor
09. All the Fun Without the Assignments (feat. Tim MacBride)
With the APB still out for Ardin Beech, Jonathan hit the road this week to interview Morling College Principal Dr. Tim MacBride about the state of theological education and the shortage of pastoral candidates that is verging on crisis. Join us as Tim shares his passion for preaching and his insights into trends in training for ministry. Along the way you'll glean some tips for navigating changes in life and discover why Artificial Intelligence won't be running preachers out of their jobs anytime soon. ***Note: Jonathan experienced some technical difficulties during the end of the re...
2023-10-13
27 min
This Week At Windsor
08. The One About Sex (feat. Bree Bond)
With Ardin Beech *conveniently* away, Jonathan steps behind the 'host' desk to talk with Bree Bond about the hot, albeit hushed, topic of sex. After sharing a bit of her personal history and spiritual journey, Bree wades into the complex discussion of sex for the Christian -- and why its so often ignored (or even disparaged) in faith contexts. Join us to hear how Jesus has the power to unwrap us from our shame and present us as restored men and women that reflect God's good design.- - - This podcast sets the table fo...
2023-09-29
25 min