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Equip and ElevateEquip and ElevateAchieving Financial Freedom at 26: Keletso Journey of EmpowermentJoin us on "Equip and Elevate" for an enlightening conversation with Keletso Precious Tlhoaele, a mother, wife, and pioneering trader who achieved financial independence by the age of 26 and cultivating multiple streams of income. In this episode, we explore Keletso's remarkable journey of merging passion with purpose to craft a fulfilling life, both personally and professionally.From her early days discovering forex trading in high school to becoming one of Africa’s most inspirational female traders, Keletso's story is a testament to the power of perseverance and vision. We discuss the importance of finding one’s purpose, the...2024-05-0641 minEquip and ElevateEquip and ElevateKabelo Mohale on Trusting God Through Seasons of Change and PurposeThis episode is brought to you by Octa |In today's enlightening episode, we sat down with my friend Kabelo Mohale, social & digital entrepreneur, a mother, wife, and founder of BE’LOVED, a movement dedicated to empowering women to reclaim their identities and awaken to their purposes.  Kabelo shares her profound experiences with trusting the visions God has placed in her heart, and she keeps her grounded and aligned with her goals. She recounts moments of significant personal and professional rebuilding, offering insights into the lessons learned from embracing change and building resilience.Kabelo also opens up a...2024-04-3056 minNavigating the TwentiesNavigating the TwentiesThirties: The New Twenties? Ayanda Vana's Quest for Personal Growth and AuthenticityJoin us on Episode 14 of Navigating the Twenties as we dive deep into personal growth and empowerment with Ayanda Vana, attorney, COO of Khula, and host of the Equip & Elevate podcast. In this inspiring interview, Ayanda shares her journey from people-pleasing to purpose-driven living, reflecting on the importance of staying true to oneself amidst societal pressures. Ayanda opens up about her upbringing, highlighting the sacrifices her parents made for their family's future and the invaluable lessons she learned about self-worth and determination. She discusses the challenges she faced during her articleship, g...2024-04-2458 minEquip and ElevateEquip and ElevateNcebakazi Msomi on Purpose, Faith and IdentityJoin us in this profoundly moving episode of our podcast as we sit down with Ncebakazi Msomi,a celebrated member of Joyous Celebration and performer of hits like "Wachithigazi", "Mbongeni medley" and "We Bangcwele." Ncebakzi's beautiful insight and her love for the Lord have left an indelible mark on us, making this one of our most memorable episode to date.  Ncebakzi's heartfelt music, coupled with her deep love for Jesus profoundly impacts all who listen, leaving us in tears and infinitely inspired.Beyond her musical talents, Ncebakzi is a seasoned professional in the credit risk banking sector, w...2024-04-151h 22Equip and ElevateEquip and ElevateEmbracing Rebirth & Releasing the Things That Hold You Back with Ayanda VanaIn today's episode, we delve into the Navigating Lessons with Ayanda segment, an integral part of our Personal Growth series within the framework of the 4 pillars at Equip and Elevate. While our focus is primarily on careers and businesses, we recognise the importance of personal growth and development. That's why this April, our series is centered on personal growth and development.This month's sprint is all about being intentional—a concerted effort to enact changes that elevate personal growth and transformation.In this episode, Ayanda shares her hair cutting journey, reflecting on her postpartum experience an...2024-04-0924 minEquip and ElevateEquip and ElevateDriving Revenue: Sales Strategies & Growing your business with Michelle Lima | EquipHER ElevationJoin us for an inspiring episode as we delve into the world of sales and entrepreneurship with Michelle Lima, the dynamic founder and CEO of Resonate Communications (Pty) Ltd. Michelle has built an extraordinary career centered around empowering businesses to boost their revenue and create sustainable growth through strategic sales and marketing approaches.As we explore the common pitfalls hindering sales growth for entrepreneurs, Michelle provides expert guidance on addressing these challenges and implementing effective strategies for success. Learn about the essential tools and resources Michelle recommends for boosting sales and how customization plays a pivotal role...2024-03-1949 minEquip and ElevateEquip and ElevateFounder of The Lazy Makoti: Mogau Seshoene's Recipe for Success — From Passion to Powerhouse BusinessIn this enthralling episode of our podcast, we delve into the captivating world of Mogau Seshoene, the founder of The Lazy Makoti, a movement that has redefined the landscape of modern African cuisine. Mogau's story is one of passion, dedication, and transformative purpose.Journey with us as Mogau shares the profound impact of her early life and family traditions on her personal and professional trajectory. This episode is not just a story of culinary success but a testament to the impact of embracing one's passion and the endless possibilities that come with it.Unpack the...2024-03-1150 minEquip and ElevateEquip and ElevateMastering LinkedIn Success, Refining Your Personal Brand, and Pivoting with Zinhle Novazi | EquipHER ElevationJoin us for an empowering episode of Equip & Elevate's latest segment, "EquipHER Elevation," featuring Zinhle Novazi, a dynamic leader with an impressive following of 25,000 people on LinkedIn. In this episode, Zinhle shares expert strategies on personal branding and leveraging LinkedIn to attract career opportunities. Discover how to leverage LinkedIn to catapult your career opportunities and enhance industry visibility. Explore the pivotal role LinkedIn plays in shaping professional journeys, from networking to career advancement. Learn from Zinhle's own pivotal career moment and how it underscored the importance of cultivating a strong professional identity. Uncover actionable strategies to develop y...2024-02-2639 minEquip and ElevateEquip and ElevateThe Power of Resilience, Perseverance, and Grace on Regomoditswe Khoele's journey on on becoming a commercial pilotJoin us on today's episode as we delve into the inspiring journey of Regomoditswe Isis Khoele, also popularly known as her Instagram name, alongside her husband, Regodise. She's a remarkable woman who defied the odds to become a commercial pilot and also juggling the roles of mom, wife, and content creator.Rego's story is one of unwavering resilience and faith, as she shares the hurdles she faced on her path to becoming a pilot and how she leaned on her trust in God while waiting for her dreams to take flight.In this captivating episode...2024-02-1939 minEquip and ElevateEquip and ElevateBreak Free from Imposter Syndrome, Soar with Confidence in your career: The Ayanda Way - Navigating LessonsDon't miss out on the newest episode of "Equip and Elevate" featuring Ayanda (creator of Equip and Elevate) which will form part of our new segment navigating lessons with Ayanda, where she offers her insights on overcoming Imposter Syndrome and developing  confidence! Tune in now and embark on a journey to conquer self-doubt and unlock your full potential!Ayanda explores the profound effects of Imposter Syndrome, shedding light on its subtle influence on one's professional path and offering strategies to overcome it.In addition, Ayanda reveals the strategies for developing self-assurance when confronted with challenges. A...2024-02-1215 minEquip and ElevateEquip and ElevateCandice Modiselle (Storyteller, producer & host): A Candid Conversation about her career journey, purpose, identity, and overcoming hurdlesThis episode is sponsored by OctaFX. Register https://bit.ly/OctaFX_Elevate and use my promo code ELEVATE to get a 100% bonus | In the latest episode, we had a profoundly authentic conversation with Candice Modiselle. She’s a storyteller, host, voice artist |the Producer of the five minute call show and the co-founder of Selle Jewellery. During our conversation, we touched on various topics such as  career journey, purpose, and identity. We also delved into the intricate balance between identity and ambition, the hurdles she's encountered, and how she managed to persist and discover her sense of purp...2023-10-1751 minEquip and ElevateEquip and ElevateDr Katlego Lekalakala on her journey in medicine and entrepreneurship, finding Contentment and Valuable LessonsThis episode is sponsored by OctaFX. Register https://bit.ly/OctaFX_Elevate and use my promo code ELEVATE to get a 100% bonus  | Join us for an inspiring episode of the Equip and Elevate Podcast! In this heartfelt conversation, we reconnect with a former high school peer  who has become a medical doctor and entrepreneur, Dr. Katlego Lekalakala. Dr. Katlego, a graduate of the University of Pretoria's MBChB program.Not only is she a skilled medical professional, but she's also a self-trained makeup artist and the  founder of Beats by Kaz. After embarking on motherhood, Dr. Katlego embarked on...2023-10-0258 minEquip and ElevateEquip and ElevateDr Katlego Lekalakala on her journey in medicine and entrepreneurship, finding contentment and Valuable LessonsJoin us for an inspiring episode of the Equip and Elevate Podcast! In this heartfelt conversation, we reconnect with a former high school peer  who has become a medical doctor and entrepreneur, Dr. Katlego Lekalakala. Dr. Katlego, a graduate of the University of Pretoria's MBChB program.Not only is she a skilled medical professional, but she's also a self-trained makeup artist and the  founder of Beats by Kaz. After embarking on motherhood, Dr. Katlego embarked on a new mission, creating Clueless Moms—a platform where mothers can unite, exchange knowledge and experiences, and tap into the wisdom of e...2023-10-0258 minEquip and ElevateEquip and ElevateNozipho Tshabalala the Renowned Conversation Strategist Facilitating Discussions for the World Bank, Obama Foundation and moreIn today's episode, we have the privilege of sitting down with the renowned Conversation Strategist, Nozipho Tshabalala. Join us as she takes us on a deep dive into her incredible journey, sharing insights into her career progression, the highs and lows she's encountered along the way, and the genesis of the term 'Conversational Strategist.Nozipho, who proudly holds the position of CEO at Conversation Strategist, has left an indelible mark on the global stage through her impactful dialogues. She's been at the helm of moderating discussions for some of the world's most prestigious entities, including The World...2023-09-1153 minEquip and ElevateEquip and ElevateAdulting 101: Navigating Self-Forgiveness, Healing, and Letting Go with Lebo Mehlomakhulu"For the season premiere, we opted for a unique approach by reintroducing the beloved segment “Adulting 101: Navigating the Challenges of Being a Young Adult,” featuring my dear friend Lebo Mehlomakhulu. In this episode, we delved into our personal experiences with self-forgiveness, healing, and the art of letting go.During this insightful discussion, I bared my soul, offering a deeper glimpse into my journey of addressing these profound topics. Collaborating with a friend like Lebo enriched the conversation as she shared her own valuable perspectives from her unique journey.Lebo wears many hats - a love advo...2023-08-281h 00Equip and ElevateEquip and ElevateBonus Episode: Empowerment Amplified: Fueling Potential with the Motsepe Foundation (Hlompho Kekana (former Bafana Bafana & Mamelodi Sundowns captain)This week we continue with a special edition in partnership with the Motsepe Foundation for the IO Expo 2023. We continue our conversation with some remarkable guests including Hlompho Kekana (former Bafana Bafana & Mamelodi Sundowns captain),  Tebogo Mphahlele (Miss Mamelodi Sundowns), Lwazi Sithole (Mindworx Consulting, Bonisiwe Dlamini-Makolo (Multichoice Group)  and Thobeka Nkabinde (Mostepe Foundation Golden Circle Winner).The Information & Opportunities Expo 2023, organized by the Motsepe Foundation, is dedicated to equipping young people with the tools and resources they need to thrive in the job market. Throughout the episode, we engaged in rich and insightful conversations with the Expo's sp...2023-08-1447 minEquip and ElevateEquip and ElevateBonus Episode: Nomzamo Mbatha, Cedrick Diphoko(Managing Director of Bathu Shoes) & others share journeys, lessons & youth expo in Partnership with Mostepe FoundationBonus Episode: Empowering the Next Generation with the Motsepe FoundationIn this special partnership with the Motsepe Foundation for the IO Expo 2023, we had the incredible opportunity to sit down with some extraordinary guests, including Nomzamo Mbatha (actress, producer, and businesswoman), Cedrick Diphoko (Managing Director at Bathu Shoes) and Linda Appie (Chief Marketing Officer of TymeBank), among others.The Information & Opportunities Expo 2023, organized by the Motsepe Foundation, is dedicated to equipping young people with the tools and resources they need to thrive in the job market. Throughout the episode, we engaged in rich and insightful...2023-08-0744 minEquip and ElevateEquip and ElevateSinovuyo Mondliwa (Content Creator and Founder of Love Kinks) on the process of building and scaling Love KinksIn the season 2 finale, we had an amazing conversation with Sinovuyo Mondliwa, content creator and founder of Love Kinks. I absolutely loved Sino’s honesty in the lessons she has learned in building and scaling “Love Kinks”. The conversation was raw, practical and filled with so much insight! I loved that Sino understands her customers and is able to refine her ideas based on what the customer needs. “Love Kinks was specifically created with your healthy hair journey in mind. Love Kink’s goal is to celebrate our innate beauty and love our hair in its natural state. Love...2022-12-0555 minEquip and ElevateEquip and ElevateStarting a conversation with yourself about mental health with Lwanele Khasu (Clinical Psychologist)Today on the Equip & Elevate Podcast, we are chatting to Lwanele Khasu, a clinical Psychologist about starting a conversation about mental health with yourself. Lwanele is the Founder & Director of Oasis Mental Wellness Hub and Mental health speaker.On today’s episode, Lwanele will be sharing insight on the following points:Setting boundaries and communicating your boundaries How to recognise trauma and the process of healing from trauma Better ways of dealing with burnoutImportance of celebrating yourselfThe importance of being aware of your mental healthHow to build a wellness tank in your corner Episode is sp...2022-10-311h 04Equip and ElevateEquip and ElevateZulaikha Patel (activist, author & speaker) “Prioritising your mental health while championing social change”Today on the Equip & Elevate Podcast we got to chat with Zulaikha Patel regarding “prioritising your mental health while championing social change”. Zulaikha is anti-racism activist, best-selling author & international speaker. She became a symbol of the fight against school policies regarding black girls' hair in 2016, at the age of 13. She’s a BBC 100 women list 2016 and Brand SA Play your part ambassador.On today’s episode, Zulaikha will be sharing her overall journey, purpose and what drives her life.  Zulaikha also explains how she navigated through burn-out and depression. She also touches on her journey in creating a safe sp...2022-10-241h 02Career Acceleration PodcastCareer Acceleration PodcastAyanda Vana having a career conversation with Vumile MsweliThis is a podcast about career conversations.Vumi Msweli chats with industry leaders, about their careers.2022-10-2034 minEquip and ElevateEquip and Elevate“Adulting 101: A guide to surviving being a young adult” with Lebo MehlomakhuluFor the next 3 episodes, I’ve partnered with Solal and together we’ll be bringing you conversations that cover themes around mental health through the month of October. For today’s episode, I sit down with my friend, Lebo Mehlomakhulu and we speak about “Adulting 101: A guide to surviving being a young adult”. For this episode, Lebo and I will be sharing our journeys & comparison on:-Lessons learned in navigating adulthood;-Why navigating your 20s are so hard; -Navigating relationships & friendships; -The process of becoming;-Building a wellness tank and refilling;-Lessons from...2022-10-171h 09Equip and ElevateEquip and ElevateNomazibulo Tshanga (CEO of Ziyana Business Consulting and Training) on building a business from ground zeroToday on the Equip & Elevate Podcast we got to chat with Nomazibulo Tshanga, the CEO of Ziyana Business Consulting and Training about building and scaling your business. Noma takes us through her upbringing, corporate journey and her journey of building a business ground zero. Nomazibulo Tshanga is a mother and wife to an amazing husband, a sister, a daughter and a friend. She is a founder, speaker, people management strategist, philanthropist, executive coach and a women empowerment advocate. She has 15 years experience in HR, having worked at Coca-Cola, Schaffler South Africa, Bidvest, CSIR. Her last position in c...2022-10-0443 minEquip and ElevateEquip and ElevateLiziwe Ntshweza-Freemantle (Economist and Corporate Strategist) on navigating corporate as a young black professional and tips to build your career in corporate.Today, on Equip & Elevate Podcast we got to chat with Liziwe Ntshweza-Freemantle on navigating corporate as a young black professional and tips to build your career in corporate. Liziwe is an economist with research interest in inclusive and sustainable market development with a specific focus on Financial Economics and development. She has several years in economic and strategy consulting across sub-Saharan Africa. Her work has focused on financial sector development and strategy development for corporate and commercial banks, other financial service providers and policy makers across Southern and West Africa. Most recently she has been working in t...2022-09-0554 minEquip and ElevateEquip and ElevateBuild your future, Be smart about Money with Gladness Rupare ( Investment specialist) & Nomsa Ngwenya (Client Relationship Manager)During Money Smart Week South Africa, we will be chatting to Gladness Rupare ( Investment specialist) & Nomsa Ngwenya (Client Relationship Manager) about Build your future, Be smart about Money. MSWSA is a financial literacy campaign aimed at motivating and empowering all South Africans to become more educated about their finances. Nomsa and Gladness will be providing tools on how you can equip yourself with financial knowledge in order to elevate your finances. They will also be discussing their personal insights, financial journeys and tips for you to build their future, be smart about money. Nomsa is a...2022-08-2948 minEquip and ElevateEquip and ElevateZoe Msutwana (Public Relations & Brand Management specialist and Content Creator) on on upbringing, career journey and public relationsToday, on Equip & Elevate Podcast we got to chat with Zoe Msutwana about her upbringing, career journey and Public Relations tips for SMMEs. Zoe Msutwana is currently a Head of Strategy at a boutique PR Agency with over 10 years experience, Founding Editor of GUIDE, and Content Creator. Zoe started her career at At Vogue Communications, where she worked on the NBCUniversal brand, which houses TV Channels including E! Entertainment, The Style Network, Universal Channel and Studio Universal on the DStv platform.Following this, Zoe went on to join DNA Brand Architects as a Senior Brand A...2022-08-2251 minEquip and ElevateEquip and ElevateHLE (Hlengiwe Ntombela) on her journey and diversifying her career portfolio.Today, on Equip & Elevate Podcast we got to chat with Hlengiwe Ntombela (better known as HLE) about her upbringing, her career journey and diversifying her career portfolio. HLE, is a gospel singer, songwriter, host of VIP Invite and owner of YKOE. Hle began her career as a backing vocalist for Ntokozo Mbambo, and has collaborated with Hlengiwe Mhlaba and Benjamin Dube. She is a former member of the gospel choir Joyous Celebration and has been recently signed by the intentional record label, Motown Gospel. She will also share some key values that have shaped her li...2022-08-1644 minEquip and ElevateEquip and ElevatePamela Mtanga (Award-winning Multimedia entrepreneur) on her upbringing, Purpose & building her career with an authentic edgeOn the Season 2 premiere of the Equip & Elevate Podcast, I had a beautiful conversation about her upbringing, purpose and building a career with an authentic edge with Pamela Mtanga, an award-winning Multimedia Entrepreneur and Brand Influencer. Pamela Mtanga best known for her formidable career as an MC, voice-over artist and TV/Radio presenter. Most recently, she is a Massive Music presenter on Channel O. Pamela is a public relation graduate from the Nelson Mandela Metropolitan University. Mtanga was named top personality and influencer at the Top 16 Youth-Owned Brands Awards hosted by Pat on Brands. Pamela al...2022-08-081h 09She BrigadeShe BrigadeMake December better friends with January with Ayanda VanaThis is a special episode of She Brigade, brought to you by Young Professionals from Nedbank, to learn more about Nedbank’s Young Professional offering, learn more hereThe festive season is upon us and with that comes financial, mental and emotional obligations which can sometimes leave your January worse for wear.In today’s episode, I’ll be chatting to Ayanda Vana - Agri-tech startup COO, Podcaster and Digital content creator - about how to successfully navigate this festive season in order to make sure that your December is better friends with January.We’l...2021-12-1036 minEquip and ElevateEquip and ElevateRorisang Thandekiso (Radio and TV Presenter) on Purpose, Identity and Redefining successOn the season one finale of the Equip and Elevate Podcast, I had a beautiful conversation about Purpose, Identity and Redefining success with Rorisang Thandekiso. Rorisang is a Radio and TV Presenter, musician and overall powerhouse within the entertainment industry.On today’s episode, she will also be taking us through her upbringing and some key values that have shaped her life as well as her career journey. She also shares some hurdles she experienced during her journey and how she persisted and found purpose during those hurdles.2021-11-301h 13Equip and ElevateEquip and ElevateLindelwa Skenjana author of The Black Girl's Guide to Corporate South Africa.Lindelwa Skenjana Marketer, Author, Mother and Master of Social Sciences. On today, Lindelwa and I unpack the themes of her newly published book The Black Girl's Guide to Corporate South Africa. The Black Girl's Guide to Corporate South Africa focuses on Black women at various stages of their careers as they navigate the pitfalls of the corporate world. The guide helps black women learn what wishes she knew before going into the corporate environment.She is passionate about marketing, digital technology, women empowerment and the development of the African continent. Lindelwa is an award winning...2021-11-2343 minEquip and ElevateEquip and ElevateBoipelo Mabe (Digital Communications Manager) on owning your journey, personal branding and balancing multiple passionsToday we will be talking to Boipelo Mabe who is a multimedia personality, a digital communications and marketing professional and speaker. She was crowned Miss South Africa first princess in 2017 and is currently a Digital Communications Manager at one of South Africa’s top Techcos.Boipelo will be taking us through her upbringing and sharing some key values and lessons that have shaped her life. She will also be taking us on her journey on finding purpose and owning her journey. Lastly, Boipelo will share insight on how she mastered balancing multiple passions and how you can me...2021-11-1658 minEquip and ElevateEquip and ElevateFunding your business with Keitumetse Lekaba, the Managing Director & Head of Enterprise and Supplier Development at I AM AN ENTREPRENEUR.Today we will be talking to Keitumetse Lekaba, the Managing Director and Head of Enterprise and Supplier Development (ESD) at I AM AN ENTREPRENEUR about funding your business. Keitumetse will be discussing the different types of funding available to entrepreneurs and how you can position your idea or business to unlock some funding. She will also discuss on why entrepreneurs do not get funding for their businesses.  In addition, Keitumetse will she insight on the essential qualities investors look for in their founders/ entrepreneurs as well as what you should consider before they accept funding from an in...2021-11-1057 minEquip and ElevateEquip and ElevateLuyanda Duma (HR Enthusiast, Entrepreneur & Speaker) on Creating and Cultivating your Dream CareerToday we will be talking to Luyanda Duma about creating and cultivating your dream career. She will be sharing some insight and tips on how to create and cultivate your dream careers. We will be discussing how to define, refine and build your dream career. Luyanda will also be taking us through her journey in her career and sharing some key values that have shaped her life.Luyanda is a speaker, corporate queen, entrepreneur and philanthropist. Luyanda is making her mark by inspiring the youth daily through personal mastery, education and talent development. She is the founder...2021-10-1851 minEquip and ElevateEquip and ElevateOnkgopotse Khumalo (Founder of The Pocket Couch & Co-founder of Mediwell) on building a Mental Health Care startupToday I will be talking to Onkgopotse Khumalo, the founder of The Pocket Couch and co-founder of Mediwell. She will be sharing her journey on building a mental health care startup, The Pocket Couch. The Pocket Couch enables psychologists to conduct virtual consultations, to help make mental healthcare accessible, yet affordable.Onkgopotse is a management consultant and financier by training hailing from her alma mater, UCT.  She has a deep passion for social impact at the interception of business. Soon after graduating, she co founded a 100% women owned primary healthcare facility, Mediwell, that seeks to provide quality h...2021-09-2744 minEquip and ElevateEquip and ElevateLiz Letsoalo (Founder of Masodi Organics) on building and scaling a beauty brandToday I will be talking to Liz Letsoalo is an entrepreneur and Speaker who is on a journey to public service as well as the founder of Masodi Organics. She will be sharing her journey on building and scaling Masodi Organics. She will be discussing raising funding for your business, building the dream team and more. She will also be sharing her career journey and some key values that have shaped her life.Masodi Organics prioritises kindness to your body and to the planet by focusing on what she calls ‘thoughtful beauty’.  As the founder of a beaut...2021-09-2052 minEquip and ElevateEquip and ElevateKabelo Mohale (Co-owner of Live Loved) on launching her wellness business during the pandemicToday we will be talking to Kabelo Mohale co-owner of Lived Loved and founder of BE’LOVED. Kabelo will be sharing her journey of launching her wellness business, Live Loved, during the pandemic. She also discusses some biblical business strategies and principles she has learnt in the process of setting up her business.Live Loved is a wellness store which allows customers to fill and refill their favourite whole foods and pantry goods without being wasteful and avoiding unnecessary packaging. The mission is to add meaningful value by improving people’s health and well-being, and inspiring the awar...2021-09-0640 minEquip and ElevateEquip and ElevateZizi Moloko (Investment Professional & Content Creator) on taking control of your personal financesToday, we will be talking to Zizipho Moloko a social-media content creator and investment professional with four years of experience in Asset Management, Corporate Finance and Private Equity. Zizi will be sharing sharing insight and tips on taking control of your personal finances. She will be touching on points around financial habits that keep people broke, effective ways of saving, budgeting and more financial tips!Zizi mainly creates Financial Education and Lifestyle content that is aimed particularly at women between the ages of 18 and 35. She holds a BCom in Economics & Statistics from UCT as well as a...2021-08-3046 min