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Carpmaels in ConversationCarpmaels in ConversationCarpmaels In Conversation: Ep.37 - Lessons Learnt in the Early Days at the UPCIn this episode, Lara Elder is joined by UPC experts Agathe Michel-de Cazotte, a Partner in our Dispute Resolution team, and Emily Nikolic, a Senior Associate in our Life Sciences group. They share their personal experiences of the UPC, and the challenges and opportunities for shaping the legal landscape in this exciting and evolving court.2025-07-0220 minCarpmaels in ConversationCarpmaels in ConversationCarpmaels in conversation: Ep.36 - Intellectual Property in diabetes technologyIn this episode host Ben Chapman is joined by Patent Attorney Susannah Dragosavac who will be looking at world of diabetes technology. They discuss the technologies needed for the diabetic individual, the current patent trends in this area and possible upcoming technologies.2025-03-0420 minCarpmaels in ConversationCarpmaels in ConversationCarpmaels in conversation: Ep.35 - Patenting offshore wind and energy storage, is it all plain sailing?In this episode host Ben Chapman is joined by Patent Attorneys Lawrence Paleschi and Gabriel Bracken who will be looking at patent protection for offshore wind and energy storage.2025-02-1419 minDiscover IPDiscover IPDiscover IP: Navigating the application processIn this episode host Ben Chapman is joined by Technical Assistants Maria Nikolova and Max Mallerman to talk about their experiences of applying to be a trainee patent attorney. They are also joined by Partner Anna Leathley who provides an insight into the application process at Carpmaels & Ransford.2025-02-1322 minDiscover IPDiscover IPDiscover IP: Academia to IPIn this episode host Ben Chapman is joined by Technical Assistant Jenifer Milligan to talk about the transition from the world of academia to the world of intellectual property.2024-10-0420 minCarpmaels in ConversationCarpmaels in ConversationCarpmaels in Conversation: Ep.34 - The patent landscape in battery technologyWelcome to Carpmaels in Conversation: The podcast that brings you the latest thinking in intellectual property law. In this episode, our host Ben Chapman is joined by Senior Associate Russell Woolley to discuss recent technology developments in the battery sector and the IP considerations for companies operating in this sector.2024-09-1720 minCarpmaels in ConversationCarpmaels in ConversationCarpmaels in Conversation: Ep.33 - State of the Art Patents updateWelcome to Carpmaels in Conversation: The podcast that brings you the latest thinking in intellectual property law. In our latest episode, Partner and host Isobel Barry, Senior Associate Laura Johnson and Technical Assistant James Devine-Stoneman discuss: The key arguments raised in the UKIPO’s appeal against the UK High Court Emotional Perception judgementThe pending referral to the Enlarged Board of Appeal on whether a product on the market be excluded from the state of the art, and the numerous recent amicus curiae briefs.You can subscribe to this podcast via itunes, spotify or google po...2024-07-1718 minCarpmaels in ConversationCarpmaels in ConversationCarpmaels in Conversation: Ep.32 - Can trade secrets help innovation in healthcare?Welcome to Carpmaels in Conversation: The podcast that brings you the latest thinking in intellectual property law. In this episode of Carpmaels in Conversation, our host Lara Elder is joined by Counsel Liz McKinley and Senior Associate Chloe Taylor to discuss trade secrets, what are they, how do they work and to what extent might they help protect innovation in the healthcare sector?You can subscribe to this podcast via itunes, spotify or google podcasts, just click the subscribe option above or search for “Carpmaels”.2024-04-0330 minCarpmaels in ConversationCarpmaels in ConversationCarpmaels in Conversation: Ep.31 - Recent Patents updateWelcome to Carpmaels in Conversation: The podcast that brings you the latest thinking in intellectual property law. In our latest episode, Partner and host Daniel Wise, and Associates David Thompson and Sam Grayer discuss: Recent EPO case law on claim interpretation and a different approach taken at the UPC Munich Local Division.The case law on bonus effects and one-way streets, including a discussion of a recent decision concerning limits to how the concept of a bonus effect is applied.You can subscribe to this podcast via itunes, spotify or google podcasts, just click t...2024-02-0822 minCarpmaels in ConversationCarpmaels in ConversationCarpmaels in Conversation: Ep.30 - Funding for start-ups: The value of IP RightsWelcome to Carpmaels in Conversation: The podcast that brings you the latest thinking in intellectual property law. In this episode of Carpmaels in Conversation, our host Lara Elder is joined by Senior Associate Ben Chapman to discuss how Intellectual Property rights can boost the chances of a start-up securing funding. You can subscribe to this podcast via itunes, spotify or google podcasts, just click the subscribe option above or search for “Carpmaels”.2024-02-0118 minCarpmaels in ConversationCarpmaels in ConversationCarpmaels in Conversation: Ep.29 - Cheese, Milk and Coca-Cola, what do they all have in common?Welcome to Carpmaels in Conversation: The podcast that brings you the latest thinking in intellectual property law. In this episode of Carpmaels in Conversation, our host Lara Elder is joined by Senior Associate Chloe Flower to discuss some of the most recent innovations in plastic packaging and the IP implications of these. You can subscribe to this podcast via itunes, spotify or google podcasts, just click the subscribe option above or search for “Carpmaels”.2023-12-0415 minDiscover IPDiscover IPLife as a Trainee Patent Attorney - Part 3In the final episode of a three part series, host Ben Chapman is joined by Maria Nikolova and Bradley Wilson to provide an insight into the day to day life of a Trainee Patent Attorney in their first year.2023-11-1727 minDiscover IPDiscover IPDiscover IP: Life as a Trainee Patent Attorney - Part 2In the second of a three part series, host Ben Chapman is joined by Maria Nikolova and Bradley Wilson to provide an insight into the day to day life of a Trainee Patent Attorney in their first year. 2023-07-2123 minCarpmaels in ConversationCarpmaels in ConversationCarpmaels in Conversation: Ep.28 - The New Unified Patent Court: First ImpressionsWelcome to Carpmaels in Conversation: The podcast that brings you the latest thinking in intellectual property law. In this episode of Carpmaels in Conversation, our host Lara Elder is joined by Partners Agathe Michel-de Cazotte and Isobel Barry to discuss the Unified Patent Court. We reflect on our experiences of the first month of the court opening and our expectations for the coming months.You can subscribe to this podcast via itunes, spotify or google podcasts, just click the subscribe option above or search for “Carpmaels”.2023-07-1915 minPrototype and SeePrototype and SeeEp 4. Patents and Protecting Your InnovationFor this special episode, we’ve invited Ben Chapman, a patent attorney at Carpmaels & Ransford LLP, one of Europe’s leading patent law firms recognized by the Financial Times. Drawing from his extensive experience working within the Engineering and Technology group, Ben offers valuable insights relevant to all aspects of patents and protecting your inventions. In this episodeWe delve into the fundamental aspects of what a patent is, what it covers, and its valueBen takes us through the process of applying for a patent and how to determine if you need itWe debate if paten...2023-06-2639 minCarpmaels in ConversationCarpmaels in ConversationCarpmaels in Conversation: A tale of bags to riches in the metaverse: Hermès, its trade mark rights, and infringing NFTsWelcome to Carpmaels in Conversation: The podcast that brings you the latest thinking in intellectual property law. In this episode of Carpmaels in Conversation, our host Lara Elder is joined by Roger Lush from the Trade Marks team and Simon Keevey-Kothari from the Transactions team to discuss the case of Hermès International v. Rothschild.2023-06-2322 minCarpmaels in ConversationCarpmaels in ConversationCarpmaels in Conversation: AI inventions – are they patentable?Welcome to Carpmaels in Conversation: The podcast that brings you the latest thinking in intellectual property law. In this episode of Carpmaels in Conversation, our host Lara Elder is joined by Dan Goudie, an Associate in our Engineering & Tech team, to discuss what is AI and the patentability of AI inventions. 2023-06-0217 minDiscover IPDiscover IPDiscover IP: Life as a Trainee Patent Attorney - Part 1In the first of a three part series, host Ben Chapman is joined by Maria Nikolova, Madeleine Brolly and Bradley Wilson to provide an insight into the day to day life of a Trainee Patent Attorney in their first year. 2023-05-2529 minCarpmaels in ConversationCarpmaels in ConversationCarpmaels in Conversation: Can an undisclosed disclaimer be used to restore a loss of partial priority?In our latest episode, Partner and host Daniel Wise and Technical Assistant Stephanie Willing will be taking a look at a recent EPO Technical Board of Appeal decision, T 88/21, which builds on earlier EPO decisions on the use of undisclosed disclaimers and the effects of partial priority.2023-05-2309 minCarpmaels in ConversationCarpmaels in ConversationCarpmaels in Conversation: Recent EU Design Case LawIn our latest episode, Partner and host Daniel Wise and Associate James Channer discuss one of the most recent CJEU decisions on designs: Monz v Büchel, a case relating to the underside of a bicycle seat.2023-05-1712 minCarpmaels in ConversationCarpmaels in ConversationCarpmaels in Conversation: Recent changes to the EPO's Guidelines for ExaminationIn our latest episode, Partner and host Daniel Wise and Technical Assistant Sam Parry discuss some of the recent changes to the EPO's Guidelines for Examination which entered into force in March 2023.2023-05-0910 minCarpmaels in ConversationCarpmaels in ConversationCarpmaels in Conversation: Dr. Zhivago: Fact versus fictionIn this episode of Carpmaels in Conversation, Simon Keevey Kothari and Aled Richards-Jones join our host, Lara Elder, to discuss the recent case in which Anna Pasternak, the great-niece of Dr. Zhivago author Boris Pasternak, brought a claim for copyright infringement in the High Court of England and Wales against Lara Prescott. Prescott is the author of a historical novel called The Secrets We Kept, which Pasternak claimed infringed the copyright of her own biographical work Lara: The Untold Love Story that Inspired Doctor Zhivago.Carpmaels & Ransford represented the defendant. 2023-03-1620 minCarpmaels in ConversationCarpmaels in ConversationCarpmaels in Conversation: Changes to Clinical Trials - the Patent PerspectiveWelcome to Carpmaels in Conversation: The podcast that brings you the latest thinking in intellectual property law. In this episode, our host Lara Elder sat down with Carpmaels colleagues Ella Green and Susan Hancock to discuss:Changes to the amount of clinical trial information made available to the public under the new EU Clinical Trials Regulation.The potential impact on patent filings.2023-03-0215 minCarpmaels in ConversationCarpmaels in ConversationCarpmaels in Conversation: Drafting and Recording Rewarding LicensesWelcome to Carpmaels in Conversation: The podcast that brings you the latest thinking in intellectual property law. In our latest episode, Senior Associate Chloe Taylor, Senior Associate Kerry Fitchett and Associate Suvina Wong discuss: How to structure your licence in a way that benefits you and the product/patent, to give your intellectual property the greatest chance of success; andThe importance of recording licences. 2022-09-2228 minCarpmaels in ConversationCarpmaels in ConversationCarpmaels in Conversation: State of the Art Patents UpdatesWelcome to Carpmaels in Conversation: The podcast that brings you the latest thinking in intellectual property law. In our latest episode, Partner and host Daniel Wise, Associate Jennifer Finnegan and Technical Assistant David Thompson discuss: Revisions to the Rules of Procedure of the Boards of Appeal relating to remittal and the effect of the revisions in practice; andThe recent UK High Court decision on plausibility and consider how well the UK’s current approach fits into the developing EPO case law in this area.2022-07-2718 minDiscover IPDiscover IPDiscover IP: Internships at CarpmaelsHost Ben Chapman chats to Trainee Patent Attorneys Clarissa Luxton and Anna Kinsella about their experience during the Carpmaels Internship Programme and how it gave them an insight into the working life of a patent attorney. 2022-06-2417 minCarpmaels in ConversationCarpmaels in ConversationCarpmaels in Conversation: An update from the EPO - guidelines and formal priority entitlementIn this episode, Partner Isobel Barry and Technical Assistants Clarissa Luxton, Richard Payne and Will Mooney discuss updates from the EPO, including recent changes to the guidelines for examination and updates specific to life sciences and technology. Senior Associate Dan Goodman joins the conversation to talk about a recent referral to the Enlarged Board of Appeal regarding formal priority entitlement. 2022-05-1719 minCarpmaels in ConversationCarpmaels in ConversationCarpmaels in Conversation: In conversation with DRIFT EnergyIn the fourth and final podcast in our energy series, Senior Associate Matthew Birch talks to Ben Medland, CEO and Founder at DRIFT Energy, an energy company whose technology combines energy generation, storage and distribution into high-performance sailing vessels. They discuss how IP has enabled DRIFT to commercialise and protect its technology.2022-05-0312 minCarpmaels in ConversationCarpmaels in ConversationCarpmaels in Conversation: Patent protection for energy – part 2In the next episode in our energy series, Senior Associate Matthew Birch talks to Senior Associate Chloe Taylor from the Transactions team and Russell Woolley, a Senior Associate in the Chemistry team, about IP considerations when working in the energy sector. They talk about the next stages in the patent application lifecycle and how energy companies can ensure the best possible protection for their inventions.In the next episode of Carpmaels in Conversation, we talk to an energy company about how intellectual property has helped them grow their business.2022-04-2732 minCarpmaels in ConversationCarpmaels in ConversationCarpmaels in Conversation: Echion - A scale-up storyIn the second podcast in a series of episodes on the energy sector, Senior Associate Russell Woolley talks to Alex Groombridge, Chief Technology Officer & Co-founder at Echion Technologies, an energy scale-up supplying high-power Li-ion battery anode materials that enable superfast charging for a range of applications, from consumer electronics to electric vehicles.They discuss developments in energy storage and how IP has enabled Echion to commercialise and protect its technology.2022-04-2018 minCarpmaels in ConversationCarpmaels in ConversationCarpmaels in Conversation: Patent protection for energy – part 1In the first in a series of episodes on the energy sector, Senior Associate Matthew Birch talks to Senior Associate Chloe Taylor from the Transactions team and Russell Woolley, a Senior Associate in the Chemistry team, about IP considerations when working in the energy sector. They talk about the intellectual property lifecycle and what start-up energy companies need to consider to ensure initial prototype products are protected.  In future episodes, we consider the next stages in patent application and talk to some energy companies about how intellectual property has helped them grow their businesses.2022-04-0817 minCarpmaels in ConversationCarpmaels in ConversationCarpmaels in Conversation: Trade secrets & confidential informationIn this episode, Partner Jake Marshall and Senior Associate Chloe Taylor from the Transactions team discuss trade secrets and confidential information with Associate Mary Foord - Weston from our Disputes Resolution team. They talk about the differences between trade secrets and confidential information, how to protect them and what to do if they are misused.  Further information on this topic is available in our recent article How not to “steal” a trade secret.2022-02-1628 minCarpmaels in ConversationCarpmaels in ConversationCarpmaels in Conversation: State of the Art Patents Updates - Description amendments and unsearched subject-matterWelcome to Carpmaels in Conversation: The podcast that brings you the latest thinking in intellectual property law. In our latest episode, Partner and host Daniel Wise together with Associates Kat Langford and Natasha Christian discuss:T1989/18 - Is this the end of description amendments at the EPO?: A review of the Board of Appeal’s conclusion in T1989/18 that there is no legal basis for the requirement to amend the description into conformity with the claims.    Rule 137(5) EPC and the search for meaning in unsearched subject-matter: A review of recent decisions relating to the reje...2022-02-1021 minWalk the Talk with POINT3 WellbeingWalk the Talk with POINT3 WellbeingShining a light on Gen ZIn the upcoming Walk the Talk episodes we will be discussing different demographics within the workplace in order to drive understanding and connection for all within organisations. In this conversation we shine a light on Generation Z, joined by a trio of guests who bring fresh insight, knowledge and real world experience to the conversation to help us unpack the values, drivers and desires of Gen Z in the workplace. In this episode we chat with Emma Richardson - Learning + Development Advisor at Carpmaels + Ransford, Jay Richards - Co-founder and CEO at Imagen Insights and...2022-01-2746 minDiscover IPDiscover IPDiscover IP: Resolving disputesHost Ben Chapman chats to Ingrid Omli, an associate in the Dispute Resolution and Trade Mark teams, about intellectual property disputes and the role of solicitors in them. 2021-12-2222 minDiscover IPDiscover IPDiscover IP: A life in IPHost Ben Chapman chats to Managing Partner Hugh Goodfellow about his career in the IP industry and how Carpmaels & Ransford has changed in the last 25 years. 2021-12-2028 minCarpmaels in ConversationCarpmaels in ConversationCarpmaels in Conversation: State of the Art Patents Updates - EPO Enlarged Board of Appeal special: videoconferences and plausibility in inventive stepWelcome to Carpmaels in Conversation: The podcast that brings you the latest thinking in intellectual property law. In our latest episode, Partner and host Daniel Wise together with Associates Jonathon Woodward and Adam Ellwood discuss:G 1/21 – A return to in-person hearings? The EPO’s Enlarged Board of Appeal rules on forcing parties to attend oral proceedings by videoconference during the Covid-19 pandemic, and concludes that it’s best to avoid this if possible.G 2/21 – Referral to the Enlarged Board of Appeal on plausibility: Questions have been referred to the EPO’s Enlarged Board of Appeal on...2021-12-1331 minDiscover IPDiscover IPDiscover IP: What is a trade mark?Host Ben Chapman chats to Alexandra Bell, a solicitor and trade mark lawyer, about trade marks, how they are registered and used, and how legal professionals are involved in the process.2021-11-2331 minCarpmaels in ConversationCarpmaels in ConversationCarpmaels in Conversation: State of the Art Patents Updates - Third party observations & double patentingWelcome to Carpmaels in Conversation: The podcast that brings you the latest thinking in intellectual property law. In our latest episode, Partner and host Daniel Wise together with Associates Maggie Gisseleire and Joe Abdalla discuss: Third party observations and the available paths for members of the public to raise observations as to the validity of a patent.Double patenting – what it means and how it can be avoided. 2021-11-0118 minCarpmaels in ConversationCarpmaels in ConversationCarpmaels in Conversation: Striking gold – the importance of colour trade marksWelcome to Carpmaels in Conversation: The podcast that brings you the latest thinking in intellectual property law. In our latest episode, host Lara Elder and Associate Alexandra Bell discuss a recent decision from the German Courts involving Lindt's iconic chocolate golden bunny. They also review Lindt's trade mark strategy, reflecting on how the gold bunny has had a starring role in shaping European trade mark law.2021-09-2916 minDiscover IPDiscover IPDiscover IP: Making the jump from industry to IPHost Ben Chapman chats to Dan Goudie, a patent attorney in the Engineering and Tech teams, about why he decided to leave a career in engineering for intellectual property and how he found the transition.2021-08-3124 minDiscover IPDiscover IPDiscover IP: A day in the life of a patent attorneyHost Ben Chapman chats to Lileth Rees, a part qualified patent attorney in the Life Sciences Group, about what the working day of a patent attorney looks like, as well as preparing for the industry exams.2021-08-2435 minDiscover IPDiscover IPDiscover IP: How I became a patent attorneyHost Ben Chapman chats to Ismaeel Karmani, trainee patent attorney in the Engineering & Tech teams, about the key transferable skills from your undergraduate degree which will be useful as a patent attorney and how to work out whether it might be the right career for you.2021-08-1813 minCarpmaels in ConversationCarpmaels in ConversationCarpmaels in Conversation: Rescuing lapsed intellectual property rightsWelcome to Carpmaels in Conversation: The podcast that brings you the latest thinking in intellectual property law. In our latest episode, host Lara Elder and Senior Associate Simon Keevey-Kothari discuss the options available when trying to rescue lapsed intellectual property rights. Simon also explains the most common situations in which patents and patent applications can lapse and how to improve the chances of restoration.2021-08-1226 minDiscover IPDiscover IPDiscover IP: What is a patent attorney?Host Ben Chapman chats to Russell Woolley about the different career paths available in IP, the role of a patent attorney and the training required to become one.2021-08-1123 minDiscover IPDiscover IPDiscover IP: What is a patent?Host Ben Chapman chats to Russell Woolley, Senior Associate in the Chemistry & Materials teams, about what a patent is, how they are used and why they are valuable to businesses.2021-08-0429 minCarpmaels in ConversationCarpmaels in ConversationCarpmaels In Conversation: Protecting an iconic toy - Invention, design or trade mark?Welcome to Carpmaels in Conversation: The podcast that brings you the latest thinking in intellectual property law. In our latest podcast episode we discuss how twice named "Toy of the Century" Lego have used a variety of IP rights to protect its bricks and keep competitors out of the market.2021-08-0432 minCarpmaels in ConversationCarpmaels in ConversationCarpmaels In Conversation: Hearings by video conference - is this the future?Welcome to Carpmaels in Conversation: The podcast that brings you the latest thinking in intellectual property law. In our latest podcast episode members of our Trade marks and pharmaceuticals teams discuss their recent experiences of hearings conducted by video conference and share some of the insights they have gained along the way.2021-07-1515 minCarpmaels in ConversationCarpmaels in ConversationCarpmaels In Conversation: COLIN v CUTHBERTWelcome to Carpmaels in Conversation: The podcast that brings you the latest thinking in intellectual property law. In our latest podcast episode we discuss the recent news coverage about the M&S v Aldi caterpillar cake dispute. Key discussion points include the IP infringement issues involved and why M&S has chosen to sue Aldi over other supermarkets with similar cakes.2021-05-0622 minCarpmaels in ConversationCarpmaels in ConversationCarpmaels In Conversation: Royal Ravens and Satan’s Shoes – when trade marks get controversialWelcome to Carpmaels in Conversation: The podcast that brings you the latest thinking in intellectual property law. In our latest episode, we discuss two interesting trade mark cases; one around the process for obtaining a ‘royal’ trade mark for an E-sports brand, and the other about a controversial pair of trainers named ‘Satan’s shoes’ that prompted Nike to sue.2021-04-2924 minCarpmaels in ConversationCarpmaels in ConversationCarpmaels in Conversation: Xeros, a start-up success storyWelcome to Carpmaels in Conversation: The podcast that brings you the latest thinking in intellectual property law. The theme of 2021’s World IP Day is “IP & SMEs – taking your idea to market” and we are delighted to be joined on our new podcast, Carpmaels in Conversation, by Gordon Ellis, Global Intellectual Property Director at Xeros Technology Group, a company focused on sustainable solutions for laundry and apparel manufacturing which began life as a spin out from the University of Leeds now operates globally. 2021-04-2623 minCarpmaels in ConversationCarpmaels in ConversationCarpmaels in conversation: Unravelling Computer-Implemented Simulations at the European Patent OfficeWelcome to Carpmaels in Conversation: The podcast that brings you the latest thinking in intellectual property law. In this episode we discuss the eagerly awaited decision (G1/19) concerning the patentability of computer-implemented (CI) simulations. The decision, which was handed down by the Enlarged Board of Appeal last month has far reaching implications as CI simulations are used to model systems found in a wide range of fields including engineering, chemistry, biology, and even human psychology.2021-04-2319 minCarpmaels in ConversationCarpmaels in ConversationCarpmaels in Conversation: dairy disputes & cheese warsWelcome to Carpmaels in Conversation: The podcast that brings you the latest thinking in intellectual property law. In this episode members of our trade mark team will discuss the recent EU Court Decision concerning Oatly's controversial slogan and considering collective marks.2021-03-2421 minThe Latest on the Law: Updates from the Boston BarThe Latest on the Law: Updates from the Boston BarHow to Avoid Losing Your Priority Date at the EPOThis discussion by the European IP firm Carpmaels & Ransford provides an update on how the transfer of the right to claim priority is currently treated in Europe, including a discussion of the EPO’s recent CRISPR decision and its wider ramifications.  Questions? Inquiries about program materials? Contact Alan Johnson at ajohnson@bostonbar.org 2020-06-031h 06The Manifesto ReadThe Manifesto ReadS2: Macroeconomics & Climate Change - COVID19 Welcome to our COVID-19 Macroeconomics and Climate Change episode. Ayo and OJ have a talented panel lined up to dig into the UK and Global economic and environmental impact of COVID-19 related policies from the breadth of their work experience and specialists. They will delve into monetary and fiscal policy, trade, comparisons between the UK’s response and the approaches taken by international governments as well as a consideration of matters from the perspective of environmental impact and climate changeFunmi Oyeneyin:Funmi has over 7+ years of experience working as In-House Counsel within investment/as...2020-04-1200 minThe Manifesto ReadThe Manifesto ReadS1: Economy, Business & Climate Change: GE2019Set up by two friends, Abimbola Johnson (known as OJ) and Ayo Afolabi. The Manifesto Read has gathered groups of experts to have round table discussions about the areas of the big three's manifestos that correspond with their areas of industry.This Episode’s Panel:Alice Ritchie:Climate change lead for the Country Land and Business Association, working with farmers and landowners across England and Wales to create sustainable food production systems and lobbying the government on their behalf. She moved to the UK in 2018 after working for the New Zealand go...2019-12-0600 min