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beyond ArtLessHeidi & Dan JoostenSend us a textA first for the podcast – a brother and sister tandem. Heidi and Dan (and their musician sister Sara) were destined for music from an early age – even though enrolling in college in unrelated fields. Their parents, Beth and Mike Joosten have been music education fixtures in Wisconsin – now taking that approach to their woodworking business. Heidi has been conducting multiple national tours of sound and screen shows, and also continues to compose, play piano and harp. Dan is band director at Edgerton High School and also the Edgerton and Verona Community Bands. Peter, Phil and Ch...
2025-12-2157 min
beyond ArtLessTony BakerSend us a textOnce again, this podcast manages to leave our guest feeling both uncomfortable and slightly disoriented. Today’s show features the incredible trombonist, educator, and all-around human gem Tony Baker, Professor of Trombone at the University of North Texas. Tony came prepared to talk about his education, experiences, and mentors—what he didn’t expect was a surprise visit from the 1996 Valleyfair Beach Band (of which he was a proud member). Add in a Band Buzzler, a Band Boozler, and the Coach, and you’ve got one unforgettable episode guaranteed to leave you just as uncom...
2025-12-061h 03
beyond ArtLessMatt TurekSend us a textA giant leap across the pond to Germany for the podcast today with our guest, Matt Turek. Matt has taught in just about every capacity one can - from elementary general and high school band in an urban environment to middle school suburban to now Grade 1-10 Music at an International School on the outskirts of Hamburg, Germany. Matt is not afraid of teaching at any level! Sadly, Peter should be afraid of endless prattle, Chris should be afraid of dated references in the classroom and Phil should be afraid of stumbling into act...
2025-11-291h 02
beyond ArtLessKristen KirchSend us a textThe losing battle for interesting banter continues this week. Phil’s most interesting question is about fish fry. Chris inches closer to a podcast sponsorship. Peter details the finer points of Bismarck nightlife. Kristen Kirch saves our hosts from themselves to talk about a life in music education and restaurant ownership. Now director of both the middle and high school bands at Chequamegon, Kristen loves small town teaching. Clearly, her students, parents, administrators, custodial staff, school board and everyone else loves her back. Step back and learn why it is great to teach in a smal...
2025-11-081h 02
beyond ArtLessAllison MottazSend us a textThis week on Beyond Artless, we welcome the dynamic and delightfully down-to-earth Alli Mottaz, an instrumental music educator, percussionist, and all-around creative powerhouse from Waconia, Minnesota.Alli shares her journey from dreaming of playing for the WNBA to becoming an award-winning band director (with a soft spot for the Jonas Brothers and crocheting on the side). Now in her ninth year of teaching, Alli opens up about the realities of music education — the laughter, the learning curves, and the lessons that stick long after the bell rings.What you’ll h...
2025-11-011h 01
beyond ArtLessWilliam OwensSend us a textWith over 300 compositions to his credit, Willie Owens is a common name in music education. We sit down with Willie to chat about his 30 years of teaching band in Texas, his approach to honor bands, influential mentors, his recent honorary doctorate from VanderCook, presidential history, and corvettes. Peter brought not one but two beverages, Phil looked confused, and Chris continued to struggle with creating complete sentences. Thank goodness for Eric Songer and his students for another installment of Rapping with Songer. Check Our NEW Website and c...
2025-10-2550 min
beyond ArtLessDean SorensonSend us a textCommuter – nearly every one of you has either conducted or played a chart written by the great Dean Sorenson. We get a chance to chat with Dean about subpar bus driving, almost missing a gig with Rosemary Clooney (George’s mom) and more. Phil was prepared (but you would never know it), Chris sets the bar low with his first question and Peter develops his jazz hands skill set. Specialist/coach Tim Gleason offers pointed critique of hosts and praise for the guest. Eric Songer and his students pose a great question to the host...
2025-10-1858 min
beyond ArtLessReid WixsonSend us a textIn mid-season stride, our guest Reid Wixson shares with us on arts advocacy, affording opportunities to all students and Mumbai, India. Peter shares chewing ice cubes, Chris still distracted by the Packer game and Phil continues his quest for an articulate question (or really any coherent question). See if you can guess Paul Kile's Band Buzzler! Don’t forget - Beyond Artless LIVE at the WMEA conference. Thursday, October 30 at 2:45 PM, Monona Terrace Ballroom A. Bring your friends, enemies and frenemies.https://swhs-instrumental-music.weebly.com/meet-mr-wixson.htmlhttps://www.mprnews...
2025-09-2759 min
beyond ArtLessLauren BussSend us a textThis day is a long time coming. After one year teaching, our guest Lauren Buss speaks more intelligently and inspirationally than our hosts combined. Lauren enlightens us on how to play a piano with a sledgehammer, the fine art of crochet and the puzzle of “jeans on” hot-tubbing. Peter, Phil and Chris are blessedly quiet in this episode that introduces all of us to a fabulous first year band director. Tim Gleason attempts to clearly define his role as “coach” on Beyond Artless. Of course, you will have to listen to find out what mystery...
2025-09-0658 min
beyond ArtLessMatt PivecSend us a textWhat happens when you get three Gleasons who play tuba in the same ArtLess episode? Chaos. Pure, brass-fueled chaos.Fortunately, we’re joined by the ever-talented Matt Pivec, who brings not only his impressive musical accomplishments but also a touchdown story you truly have to hear to believe. Matt shares insights on balancing multiple interests, pushing back against the pressure to specialize too early, and how improvisation in education goes far beyond jazz solos.The conversation weaves through student engagement, the power of storytelling in the cl...
2025-05-241h 07
beyond ArtLessFran KickSend us a textThere are leaders and there are followers. Thankfully, Fran Kick joins us this week to lead us through a delightful conversation. Granted, Peter, Phil and Chris DO get lost multiple times but Fran gracefully get us back on track. Check out Fran's amazing videos, resources, and books including the "Have to, Get to, Want to" video and article in the show notes!Show Notes:Learn more about Fran here:https://www.kickitin.com/Have to, Get to, Want...
2025-05-1156 min
Pass the Baton: Empowering Students in Music Education, a Podcast for Music Teachers90 - Throw Away the Rubric: Ungrading the Music Room, featuring Chris GleasonIn Episode 90, Theresa and Kathryn are joined by Chris Gleason for a thought-provoking conversation about grading. Chris challenges traditional notions of grading and assessment, offering compelling stories and practical strategies for shifting from compliance-based systems to student-centered, intrinsic learning environments. With humor, wisdom, and years of classroom experience, Chris explores what it means to foster agency, curiosity, and deep reflection in music education—and why students’ growth can’t (and shouldn’t) be reduced to a number or letter grade.Whether you're brand new to the concept of ungrading or already dipping your toes in these...
2025-05-0550 min
beyond ArtLessOur Biggest Interview Fail - Sorry Owen! By The Way Who Are You?Send us a textWe saved the best for last. Enjoy our final interview from our Midwest 2024 booth. This interview features our good friend Owen. Where is he from? Don't know. What does he do? Not sure? What does he look like? Don't have a picture. Was he fun to interview? YES - in fact, he was amazing! Too bad you won't get to hear it. We know we continue to meet, and perhaps, surpass your expectations each and every week. You can look forward to five more episodes this season. Who knows what will h...
2025-05-0312 min
beyond ArtLessMichael MarkowskiSend us a textPhil asked one truly insightful question—alongside a few not-so-great ones—but we’re incredibly proud of how much he’s grown. Peter made an impressive comeback in PPTD, while Chris continues to meet challenges head-on (bless his heart). This week’s guest is the complete opposite of your usual hosts—thoughtful, intelligent, kind, and wildly creative. What a joy it was to chat with Michael Markowski about his music, his mentorship, and the magic behind his creative process. Show Notes:https://www.michaelmarkowski.com/Recordin...
2025-04-191h 01
beyond ArtLessLaura DunbarSend us a textMaybe Chris should learn how to take notes. Maybe Peter should learn how to arrange travel for guests. Maybe Phil should learn how to interview. Our guest Dr. Laura Dunbar can do all of these things better than our hosts and is also a world class educator! Dr. Dunbar is head of music education studies at UW Eau Claire and also coordinates the Chippewa Valley Youth Choirs and directs the Very Young Composers of the Chippewa Valley Workshop. Listen on as she describes her journey from small town Ohio through a PhD from Unive...
2025-04-1357 min
beyond ArtLessOmar ThomasSend us a textIt’s hard to mess up a podcast when you have a guest like Omar Thomas. In this episode, we talk with Omar about his incredibly busy and creative schedule, the release of his new album Griot Songs, and the behind-the-scenes process of recording it with the Omar Thomas Large Ensemble.Omar reflects on his compositional approach, the art of crossing genres, and the importance of teaching and fostering artistic growth in students. He also shares insights into his latest commissioned work for the International Trumpet Guild’s 50th Anniversary, which feat...
2025-04-061h 09
beyond ArtLessBill DrurySend us a textMarch Madness is in full swing and our guest is providing us all the knowledge our commuter will ever need about Gonzaga basketball. Bill Drury shares with us about his career as Associate Director of Wind Ensembles at New England Conservatory. And also his journey to NEC by way of the railroad, parking valet attendant and more. Not to forget his parallel career as a military servant in the Air National Guard. Peter, Phil and Chris provide the typical useless banter and pickleball trivia. Who could ask for more? How could our commuter be pro...
2025-03-3056 min
beyond ArtLessMickaela PaschSend us a textJoin us this week as we learn from a young teacher who is much brighter than we are! Mickaela Pasch is a recent Concordia grad changing lives all around the state of Minnesota. Intentional, passionate, a volunteer, and visionary in music education (all the things we are not), Mickaela has so many gifts to share with our audience about the real ways to be a successful music teacher. Join us as Phil actually asks quality questions and Chris simply sits and draws pictures. When the podcast is finished you’ll be asking for Mi...
2025-03-221h 06
beyond ArtLessHenry DornSend us a textThe Lutheran Mafia has strong representation in this week’s episode! We visit with Dr. Henry Dorn from St. Olaf College and get to hear his southern flare mixed with Midwest appreciation for the cold weather. As usual, Haberman talks too much, Gleason adds in sound effects, and Ostrander sputters sentence fragments.Listen in as we talk about balancing time between family and music, being both a composer and a conductor, and the joy of teaching at a liberal arts college with a strong music program.Show Notes:
2025-03-021h 05
beyond ArtLessJoAnne Harris & Alex TedrowSend us a textShow Notes:Learn more about our guests here:JoAnne HarrisAlex TedrowAudio Credits:Flickers by Alex Tedrow, JMU Symphonic Band - Oct. 24, 2023JMU Symphonic BandChris DeVona, conductorAudio Recording by Tom Carrhttps://youtu.be/Xtwweofwo6I?si=2STuOwqyhPJkdl3A1. NEW - Rising Music Educator Project (RMEP) - Deadline to Apply Feb 28Are you ready to take your music education journey to the next level? The Rising Music...
2025-02-1716 min
beyond ArtLessJamal RossiSend us a textPerhaps the name of the podcast should be changed to “folks smarter than Chris, Phil and Peter.” Dr. Jamal Rossi has been Dean of the Eastman School of Music for the last decade and has worked as an administrator at some of the country’s finest schools of music. Trained as a classical saxophonist, Dr. Rossi quickly transitioned into administration and visionary leadership in his 20s. Chris, Peter and Phil still hadn’t bought a suit at that point in their careers. Jamal patiently explains to our hosts what true excellence in teaching and leadersh...
2025-02-0857 min
beyond ArtLessJason GilletteSend us a textThis episode has it all. If all you care about is plastic footwear. Crocs seem to dominate this week’s episode with our guest - 29 year veteran teacher Jason Gillette. Jason is the band director at Marquette University High School and is an extraordinary sax player. Yet another guest is an alumnus of the Disneyland All American College Band. Thankfully, Chris and Jason agree to disagree about their favorite football teams. One of our first guests to ace every part of the speed round!ORDER BEYOND ARTLESS SHIRTS HERE!https...
2025-01-201h 12
beyond ArtLessCorey PompeySend us a textWhat better way to start 2025 than with our guest, UW-Madison Associate Director of Bands, Dr. Corey Pompey. Corey shares his journey that has led him to the frigid tundra of Madison, Wisconsin taking the helm of the Badger Marching Band after the storied career of Mike Leckrone. Phil admits to sleeping in Hockey Arenas, Peter admits to stealing Chris’ guest, and Chris admits that the show is better if he speaks less frequently. ORDER BEYOND ARTLESS SHIRTS HERE!https://bit.ly/ArtLessShirt...
2025-01-121h 03
beyond ArtLessChris Fogderud Midwest 2024Send us a textThis Beyond ArtLess Short was captured during our live recording sessions at the 2024 Midwest Clinic. A heartfelt thank you to Eric Songer and John Stewart for stepping in as guest hosts for several episodes. We’re especially grateful to everyone who willingly stopped by to participate in an interview—and to those who accidentally wandered down the wrong aisle and found themselves part of the action, our sincere apologies!ORDER BEYOND ARTLESS SHIRTS HERE!https://bit.ly/ArtLessShirtShow Notes:Learn more abou...
2024-12-2816 min
beyond ArtLessKevin CharoensriSend us a textChris, Peter and Phil finally get to the bottom of what is wrong with Gen X. But only with the help of our gen Z guest, Kevin Charoensri. While he has only been composing less than 10 years and he has not even finished his undergraduate degree, his works have been performed all over the country and he has been an artist in residence at numerous colleges. If you count “crashing on a couch” as an artist in residence, our hosts are nationally renowned experts. Kevin talks about resilience, musical influences and shares advice for aspi...
2024-12-0157 min
beyond ArtLessSteve SveumSend us a textGood friend and exceptional music educator Steve Sveum joins us this week for a great conversation about his start in music as well as some very special mentors like Bernie Powers, Ron Carter, and more. We talk Jazz at Lincoln Center, Birch Creek Arts Camp, Essentially Ellington, Snug Harbor, Bacon Happy Hour, and even kitchen remodeling. Steve offers great insight into the essence of swing and some special memories of the late Ron Carter. Despite Peter talking into pillows, Phil talking into his microphone, and Chris talking to himself, this is an episode...
2024-11-171h 01
beyond ArtLessDana WilsonSend us a textBrilliant composer Dana Wilson is one of a kind! In addition, he is one of the kindest guests we have ever had on the podcast. Dana has written for soloists from the Chicago Symphony and also music for young band. Peter, Phil, and Chris try to keep up with our guest and as expected fall well short in that pursuit. Peter can barely get out of his bed for the podcast, Chris is still in a daze from the Packer game and Phil stumbles through random thoughts disguised as questions. Speaking of needless quest...
2024-11-1056 min
beyond ArtLessEmily MossSend us a textChris and Peter share stories about their trip to Montana while Phil shares a story about his trombone being seized by TSA. Thankfully Dr. Emily Moss joins us to share her musical journey, the importance of mentorship, and her approach to teaching conducting. We discuss the evolving landscape of music education careers, the challenges faced by educators, and the need for a cultural shift in how success is defined within the profession. The conversation is interspersed with humor and personal anecdotes, particularly around the unique challenges of playing the bassoon. (AI wrote that...
2024-11-0356 min
beyond ArtLessJames WeaverSend us a textDearest commuter, this week Phil and Peter share the same physical location resulting in noticeable tension during the show. Chris realizes that AI can now do podcasts better than this show (not a high bar). Thankfully, Dr. James Weaver, Director of Performing Arts and Sports for the National Federation of High School State Associations, visits with us to explain the implications of AI technology on music and education along with a number of other topics including the significant impact of the Aerosol Study during the pandemic, copyright compliance in music education, innovative recruitment...
2024-10-2757 min
beyond ArtLessLowell GrahamSend us a textWarning, Chris brings up the stinger yet again, Phil is back in his closet, and Peter continues to get hounded, no pun intended, by his dog Louie. Thankfully, Colonel Lowell Graham stops by to share his experiences from his time leading the United States Air Force Band to his passion for motorcycles and soundtracks. He emphasizes the importance of community, mentorship, and curiosity in personal and professional growth. Colonel Graham reflects on the skills learned through music that translate into life skills, such as problem-solving and teamwork. He also discusses the significance of...
2024-10-131h 06
beyond ArtLessMeagan Bachmayer & Katherine BergmanSend us a textProfessional wind ensemble, you say? Minnesota Winds has arrived, commuter. This ensemble comes complete with monster musicians, a website second to none and merch that some listeners (Paul Kile) refuse to take off. Listen to the architects of the group Meagan Bachmeyer and Katherine Bergmann talk about not only great performances but also an incredible mission to educate and integrate with the greater band community! Then you can also listen to Phil, Peter and Chris stumble through continual poorly conceived banter and an eventual arrival at Peter’s favorite song (worth the wait).
2024-09-2954 min
beyond ArtLessJames StephensonSend us a textThis week Jim Stephenson made the unfortunate choice to join us. We talk about his amazing sports career as a youth, how he had to choose between golf or music, and how everything in his life happens by accident. Phil sputters sentence fragrances, Chris gets distracted often, and Peter asks questions that are so long and winding that no one knew what the question was by the time he stopped yammering. We cover his life as a professional trumpet player, conductor, and of course as a composer. There are many laughs, a...
2024-09-221h 00
beyond ArtLessCynthia Johnston TurnerSend us a textYet another episode marred by excessive talking by Peter, poor introductions by Phil and general sleepiness by Chris. Thankfully, our guest compensates for all of our poor hosting. Dr. Cindi Johnson Turner has spent her career successfully guiding musicians at every level – middle schoolers, college students at Cornell University, the University of Georgia and now as Dean of Music at Wilfrid Laurier University in Waterloo, Ontario Canada. Cindi shares with all of us about building curriculum, excellence in the classroom, choosing repertoire and just how much power our pets have over us. WWPPD seems...
2024-09-081h 08
beyond ArtLessSeason 3 TeaserSend us a textHey Commuters - We are back for another season! This episode is especially bad as it contains no guests! Instead, you can listen to Phil, Peter, and Chris reunite after an eventful summer filled with medical visits, witness relocation programs, and new seasons resolutions. This is definitely an espisode to skip but I guess you've come this far...why not keep going. The good news is that it is only 10 minutes long. Back next week with a FABULOUS guest that you actually want to hear! Want to find ou...
2024-08-2410 min
Main Points PodcastBUILDING THE FUTURE (TIM GLEASON)
This was truly a feel-good episode. We chat with Tim Gleason, the City Manager of Decatur, Illinois. Tim shares his heart for the people of Decatur and discusses the importance of celebrating our city's wins while telling our unique story. Join us for a great conversation with Tim Gleason to hear why Decatur, IL, is having its renaissance moment.
2024-07-1628 min
beyond ArtLessErin GleasonSend us a textWell they said it would never happen --Erin Gleason, fabulous music educator, flautist, and spouse of Chris, in a moment of weakness or sympathy, joins us on the show. In an episode that could be subtitled, "tell us what you really think", Erin gives us her honest opinion of the show, grills, clutter, bad banter, and band-o-ramas. In what some might call a "revealing" episode you will learn more about this great teacher, parent, and human. Want to find out more about the Beyond The Notes Festival Click here to...
2024-04-141h 06
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2024-03-2123 min
Music Ed InsightsBeyond Measure: "UnGrading" Your Music Classroom with Chris GleasonAlan and Steve visit with “UnGrading” guru and educator Chris Gleason about the seven paradigm shifts that can lead to alternate approaches to evaluating student learning.
Episode Page: https://www.musicedinsights.com/uncategorized/beyond-measure-ungrading-your-music-classroom-with-chris-gleason/
2024-03-1824 min
Dopey: On the Dark Comedy of Drug AddictionDopey 460: Smoking Fentanyl and Crack & Joining the Crips OR Relapsing on Kratom with 'TikTok Daddy' and 'Thirst Trap', Benji Gleason aka 8enjamin3orderline, jail, wooks, psychedelics, recoveryThis week on Dopey! Dopey Legend Alert! When I heard about Benji Gleason, I had no idea what was coming down the pike. Benjamin Gleason aka 8enjamin3orderline has lived as Dopey a life as I have ever heard. From a deeply traumatic upstate New York upbringing in and out of institutions to selling MDMA and Ketamine up and down the west coast of America. Plus joining the crips, Ayahuasca, jail time - and how can we forget blowing up on TikTok to the tune of 1.2 million followers! His story will live on in Dopey infamy for eternity. PLUS...
2024-03-152h 50
beyond ArtLessPete WinslowSend us a textThe competition for dullest pre-guest banter continues on. Following closely behind pre-guest banter is dull post-guest banter. Thankfully, we’re able to steal Peter away from his tour for a few minutes. Chris and Phil have nothing important to be stolen away from.Our guest this week is clearly the most comfortable commentator we have ever had on the podcast. Pete Winslow’s sports broadcasting skills are impressive and his trombone playing is excellent despite his college teacher (Phil). He is a member of the US Power Soccer National...
2024-03-031h 02
beyond ArtLessTim GleasonSend us a textThere is a great quote that states, “Older siblings: the only people who will pick on you for their own entertainment and beat up anyone else who tries.” This week’s guest is none other than Chris’s big brother, Tim Gleason. Our discussion explores Tim’s amazing teaching and coaching career, mentors, and great books. Learn more than you want to know about growing up in the Gleason household, poor youth decision making, professional wrestling moves, and tips on how to improve this podcast. Ernie Reck Polka Band Featu...
2024-01-1458 min
beyond ArtLessJacquie DawsonSend us a textBeyond Artless has gone International! Peter brings Dr. Jacqueline Dawson, Director of Bands at the University of Manitoba, on for our international debut. Of course, Jacquie is respectful, patient, vulnerable, honest, trustworthy, genuine, we-not-me, and all other things Canadian…which is exactly what Peter, Phil, and Chris are not. Despite the best efforts of the hosts, Jacquie shares great insight on inclusion in the music room, building community through music, and commissioning Canadian and Indigenous composers. And of course, there is a lot of conversation about hockey and the great Canadian accent!
2024-01-071h 01
beyond ArtLessTurning The Tables with Claire, Mariah, & MaddieSend us a textThis week we turn the tables on the hosts and they become the guests! Phil, Chris, and Peter will have to answer questions from Dr. Haberman’s students and…daughter! A role reversal that brings out the amazing talent and insight from Chris and Phil, and leaves a bit to be desired from Peter. Learn about the amazing Dr. Ostrander and his ability to perform at a world-class level as both a classical and jazz musician, find out about the nationally acclaimed educator Chris Gleason and his ability to not only have crea...
2023-12-3155 min
beyond ArtLessAlex ShapiroSend us a textThis week’s guest is like a rare gem; she is multifaceted and priceless! Alex Shapiro is an amazing composer, photographer, speaker, author, activist, naturalist, former python breeder, and member of the herpetological society. (Read that last part again.) This is the only music podcast that contains a “Snake Q & A Session.” Not only will you learn about what snakes eat, but you will also hear a splendid conversation regarding Alex’s Second Symphony, her compositional process, electric-acoustic music, her upbringing in New York, seeing whales from her window, and so much more! As...
2023-12-0358 min
beyond ArtLessBeth & Stephen PetersonSend us a textFinally, an episode that has it all. Phil finally has some articulate questions, but is ridiculed anyways. Three Disney All-American College Band alumni at once. Mystery corn sprouting from the fields of Lake Geneva. The wife/husband team of Beth and Steve Peterson have educated countless band students at both the University of Illinois and Ithaca College. Beth has two books to prove the point! Steve just has his experience as assistant to John Paynter at Northwestern University – no book there. Both of these teachers have dedicated their lives to...
2023-11-201h 07
beyond ArtLessMolly GebrianSend us a textCommuters, the answers to your teaching and learning conundrums are in this episode. Without a doubt our guest has more brain power that Peter, Phil and Chris combined. Hear guest Molly Gebrian quickly debunk Chris’ myths about the brain in a tight 20 seconds. Peter and Phil’s collective brains were always a myth anyways. Molly Gebrian is professor of viola and chamber music at the University of Arizona, but is also an expert in neuroscience. She answers questions about dolphins, practicing, myelin and children (of all ages).https://www.mollygebrian.com/music...
2023-11-051h 02
beyond ArtLessTony MazzoneSend us a textJust in time for Halloween, this episode is sure to both scare and surprise you. Have you ever wondered what it might be like to transition from a profession like music education to let’s say, the state patrol? Well, this week you get to find out as our guest is the one and only Tony Mazzone. Tony not only shares about his career and current gigs as a professional drummer, but also delves into the long history he shares with Chris having attended the same middle school, high school, and college. As...
2023-10-291h 00
beyond ArtLessAllen VizzuttiSend us a textThis week we gather 'round for tales and insights from a musical maestro, Allen Vizzutti. A man who swam with sharks, danced through the weird and twisted world of professional music, and even dodged Hollywood's most eccentric moments. He's never been in prison or parachuted from a plane, but he's leapt headfirst into a life filled with melodies and harmonies that will leave you speechless.The world-famous trumpet virtuoso shares insights on how his journey into the professional music world started, how to encourage creativity and direction in...
2023-10-221h 01
beyond ArtLessKelijah DuntonSend us a textThis week, we find Phil BACK in the closet, Peter hiding in his Mother-in-law's bedroom, and Chris relegated to the kitchen where someone continued to make food throughout the podcast…what else would you expect? The only good news is we visited with the amazing, young, and award-winning composer Kelijah Dunton about non-traditional paths through music, passion projects, and compositional process. Every piece, even the first one, has been published, and his career is only getting started. We talk about mentorship, learning everyone else's part, jazz and hip-hop influences in his writing, his re...
2023-10-1553 min
beyond ArtLessMatt TillerSend us a textOur guest this week is the GOAT and he also has goats. Matt Tiller, instrumental music educator at Bloomer, joins us to talk about his goats named Johnnie and Otis. Ok, we cover more than just goats but you will be impressed by the amount of time we explore this topic. We eventually move on to talk about his journey that led him to Bloomer and what it is like teaching in a small, rural school. Chris and Matt share stories about their band director father’s Rick and Jerry. We also ta...
2023-10-081h 01
beyond ArtLessScott LangSend us a textIs it possible to do this show with just one host? The answer is yes. Did it help to produce a better show. The answer is no. Why? For most of the episode it was just Chris. To be honest, our guest this week didn’t even need a host. He brought with him energy, wit, wisdom, and passion. Scott Lang is an entrepreneur, author, educator, and speaker. We discussed teacher burnout, glutes, Taylor Swift, passion versus pedagogy, rebound from COVID, aftershocks, “Music FUNdations”, and Shakespeare in Latin with costume changes. While all th...
2023-10-0155 min
beyond ArtLessJohn StewartSend us a textThis week’s guest is our dear friend Dr. John Stewart, Director of Bands at UW-Eau Claire. It is only fitting that the person missing from this discussion is his colleague, Phil Ostrander. The result? One of our best episodes brimming with rich, deep, meaningful conversation. Learn about John’s approach to repertoire, the archival project he is working on, Frank Ticheli coming to UWEC, life-work balance, and more. John will go down in history as the only guest to successful enter the podcast without it crashing. This podca...
2023-09-2456 min
beyond ArtLessAdam BeverSend us a textFinally. The episode that everyone has been waiting for. Poor young adult Christmas Tree decisions, narrating tuba duets with rutabaga filled sousaphones, green jello, mouth clapping and more.There are no preludes or postludes, just pure music teaching mastery and comedic genius. When you are a middle schooler at heart, it’s not really teaching, it’s just spending time with people who have the same sense of humor you do.The man (and family) with ENORMOUS heart and capacity to help our most trea...
2023-09-1755 min
beyond ArtLessViet CuongSend us a textOne of the world's brilliant young composers, Viet Cuong stops in for a few minutes to chat. We cover some ground beginning with one of his first band compositions, Sound and Smoke and concluding with his new work for young band called Inland Oceans. We talk composition style, “wet” orchestration, texture, and supper clubs. That’s right….supper clubs. Viet shares his experiences visiting Chequamegon Schools, the brilliant Kristen Kirch and her amazing students in Northern Wisconsin this past spring for the world premiere of
2023-09-1046 min
beyond ArtLessKyle & Ashley SiegristSend us a textHow to account for continued lack of sophistication from Peter, Chris and Phil? Of course, our guests Ashley and Kyle Siegrist attempt to outnumber and certainly outsmart the hosts. Considering Chris occasional disappearance from parts of the show, season two is really moving in positive directions. Chris works hard to work a “stinger” into the conversation, Peter turns a six second question into a three minute answer and the story of Phil endangering Kyle’s life makes everyone cringe.Could you work with your partner? Ashley and Kyle share their experiences as high s...
2023-09-031h 02
beyond ArtLessScott JonesSend us a textHold onto your baton, folks, because we're back with a splash of sophistication (the guest of course) and a whole lot of crazy in our second season opener! We've wrangled none other than the extraordinary music educator Dr. Scott Jones from The Ohio State University to join our oblivious hosts Chris, Phil, and Peter.Never fear, Chris still cannot figure out how to use the technology, includes too many sound effects, and often is distracted. Peter asks questions that are too wordy and interrupts often, and Phil is...
2023-08-271h 06
beyond ArtLessLt. Col. Jason FettigSend us a textTalk about how to wrap up a season; this week, Lt. Col. Jason Fettig, 28th Director of “The President’s Own” United States Marine Band drops in for a chat. What did we discuss? Growing up in a "fish bowl" in New Hampshire, I early teachers and mentors, auditioning for the Marine Band on a whim, the American Wind Symphony with Bob Boudreau, and the "barge band," finding lightning in a bottle, an open audition for an assistant director, nine years as the director of a 225-year-old institution, the real challenge beyond the progra...
2023-06-251h 18
beyond ArtLessShanti SimonSend us a textPeter and Chris try to make do without Phil for a portion of the podcast in our penultimate show of this first season. Thankfully we have the excellent Dr. Shanti Simon as a guest. We discussed her unique path, including positions with the United States Air Force Band and the United States Air Force Academy Band, which ultimately led her to be the Director of Bands at the University of Oklahoma. She shares stories about conducting on stage with President Obama, The First Lady, and Kermit the Frog, the Air Force Training Story...
2023-06-1859 min
beyond ArtLessArris GoldenSend us a textIt is summer so we decided to provide you with the longest Beyond ArtLess podcast to date! What better way to fill your precious time during than the summer than 70 minutes of Beyond ArtLess! Well...the good news is that most of it is spent with the magnificent Dr. Arris Golden, Michigan State University Assistant Professor of Music, Assistant Director of Bands, and Associate Director of the Spartan Marching Band. We cover her upbringing, mentors, work at MSU, behind the scenes at NCAA collegiate basketball games, commission projects, upcoming projects, GoldenEye, Bond, Axe b...
2023-06-111h 10
beyond ArtLessCraig Kirchhoff & Liz JacksonSend us a textPhil, Peter, and Chris reflect on the UWEC Centennial Band Celebration for a few minutes prior to Peter introducing his surprise guests, and it doesn't get much better than this! Prof. Craig Kirchhoff and Dr. Elizabeth Jackson Kirchhoff join us this week to talk about retirement, sailing, horses, mentors, teaching and life. You will not want to miss the "back row story", Craig's student teaching evaluation encouraging him to work on his conducting, and the "I got her a chainsaw" story. This episode is chocked full of great stories but also amazing wisdom...
2023-06-041h 02
beyond ArtLessLIVE from the 2023 BTN Festival & Aleah VincentSend us a textShort and sweet episode! Actually, the only thing sweet is our guest, UWEC music education major and expert button pusher, Aleah Vincent. Enjoy a quick glimpse into this year's festival. Many thanks to the volunteers, staff, clinicians, teachers, and nearly 4,000 students who attended! Registration for the 2024 BTN Festival takes place this Thursday, June 1st at 8:00 PM (CDT) on the Beyond The Notes Website. Hope you can join us!PS - YES...those ARE Beyond ArtLess tshirts! It says, "45 minutes you'll never get back". Might sell them online at some point. They a...
2023-05-2807 min
beyond ArtLessThe MothersSend us a textWho else do you have as a guest on Mother's Day but your mothers? And in this case, all three of our mothers! We first talk about fruit and then stories about Sweet Jimmy as an introverted child. Sweet Mama Habs also talks about driving, moving the hassock, mailboxes, dogs, and an experience with a train trestle bridge. Phil's momma, Carrie, talks about him only wanting to play Superman as a child and secretively dropping his engineering degree. Chris' mom, Karen, talks about Chris hating t-ball, loving the tuba, playing with the Beach...
2023-05-211h 01
beyond ArtLessJeremy KondratSend us a textOn this week's show we have Phil's close friend, best man at his wedding, and amazing music educator Jeremy Kondrat. When we were not roasting Phil (and I'd say 90% of the podcast IS the roasting) we talk about Eastman, music education in Texas, Cudahy, teaching creativity, mentoring young teachers, "Developing Musicianship Through Improvisation" by Chris Azzara, the connection between Maslanka 4 and Mary Had A Little Lamb, mentoring, ski trips with the Ostranders, "Hey Buddy", bullseye focus on kids and music, pandemic in Texas, Drive by Dan Pink, and more. Learn more about Je...
2023-05-1459 min
beyond ArtLessAllison OstranderSend us a textRemember how Phil kept this podcast a secret from his spouse Allison? Heck, he even secretly recorded an episode from a hot closet in his home. Peter works his magic and convinces Allison to join us as the surprise guest, and was it ever a surprise! After the shock wears off, we talk about the multifaceted role Allison has as a professional musician, string players' disdain for brass players in an orchestra, trombones as weapons, the official Allison and Phil love story, toilet paper delivery, hitting curbs, mentors, grit, deep practice, "He's...
2023-05-071h 04
beyond ArtLessNat DickeySend us a textPeter's back! However, that doesn't mean the quality of the show is any better. What does help is that Dr. Nat Dickey from Concordia College shares some time with us to talk about his background as an educator, musician, department chair, and low brass specialist. We chat about his start and journey in music, two of Phil's craziest performances, Harvard, the group "Post Traumatic Funk Syndrome", Victor Wooten, Cory Wong, the Cerebral Chair Cortex, Peter's new office dreams, salmon shirts with a special vocal performance of Rochut #4. Click here to learn...
2023-04-301h 01
beyond ArtLessEmily ThreinenSend us a textIs it possible to do a show without Peter? The answer is "yes." In fact, not only is it possible it shaved off at least 10 minutes of pointless rambling. Today's guest is the amazing Dr. Emily Threinen who is an Associate Professor of Music and serves as Director of Bands at the University of Minnesota School of Music in the Twin Cities. We talk about the influence the "The Little Mermaid" had on her musical career, walking into her first interview, the impact of the pandemic on high school and collegiate music programs, t...
2023-04-2354 min
beyond ArtLessJosh HertelSend us a textWhat does the intersection of math and music education look like? Meet Dr. Josh Hertel, Associate Professor of Math and Statistics at UW-LaCrosse. Josh is not only a great musician and mathematician but also responsible for two musicals and the creation of a board game convention! Our conversation covers stinger mutes, double stand racks, silos, trombone ensemble trip to Ithaca to stay with Phil's mom after hitting a skunk but prior to Phil proposing (now that's a story), ChatGPT, knowledge versus skill, and the unwritten musical about the "Longitudinal Prize". Links:
2023-04-161h 00
beyond ArtLessPatrick SheridanSend us a textTalk about wearing many hats! Our guest today is the one and only, Patrick Sheridan. Many know him as a virtuoso tuba performer, former member of the President's Own United States Marine Band, and co-author of The Breathing Gym . Yet, in this episode we learn about the scope and variety of things the Patrick is involved in. We also take time to hear about his start as a musician and his lessons with legendary teachers such as Harvey Phillips, Philip Farkas (Uncle Phil), and Jerry Young (to name a few). Don't worry...
2023-04-091h 00
beyond ArtLessJerry YoungSend us a textIt is universal. This week's guest is loved by all who are fortunate enough to know him. Dr. Jerry Young is a world-renown educator, mentor, musician, and human. His wit and humor more than made up for the lack of those two things by the hosts. We chatted about failed retirements, new projects, tuba quartets, The Ravenna Ohio Saga, his start in music, two key tips to help your tuba players, his questionable judgment in hiring both Phil and Peter and his new book with Dr. Scott Watson. We even play a game...
2023-04-0258 min
Band is Everything (formerly Band in Minnesota)49. Beyond Artless (Chris Gleason, Peter Haberman & Phil Ostrander)It's our first ever podcast "swap" episode! Brad and Erin were recently asked to be guests on the podcast "Beyond Artless", a music education podcast hosted by Chris Gleason, Peter Haberman, and Phil Ostrander.
Since basically nobody listens to their podcast (for good reason, the hosts themselves admit) we decided to help promote their show by streaming the complete episode here in our feed.
If you're enjoying Band in Minnesota, please leave us a rating or review in your podcasting app - and be sure to subscribe to "Beyond Artless" as well.
The...
2023-03-261h 01
beyond ArtLessBrad Mariska & Erin HolmesSend us a textThis episode puts on full display how one educator team works seamlessly together for the benefit of learners while another team struggles to be in the same room. Music educators, Bradley Mariska and Erin Holmes, are the highly successful and brilliant team from Farmington High School joining us this week. We talk about failed introductions, shoes, pep band voice, Hamilton the class, sharing Margie (the hair stylist), a Gottwig in your repair kit, "I can't play that" story, passion projects, music selection, radical trust and student agency, and the genesis of their fantastic p...
2023-03-2659 min
Information OperationIO Episode 165 - FLORIDA IS NOT FREE PART 5 - Chris Gleason Files RICO LawsuitHost L Todd Wood speaks with election integrity activist Chris Gleason on his new RICO lawsuit in Maryland and the situation in Florida regarding election fraud.
2023-03-2343 min
beyond ArtLessEric SongerSend us a textWe are now equal to the Star Wars Saga! (Well only in the number of episodes....) This week we welcome Schmitt Music's 2023 Educator of the Year, Eric Songer! Eric shares with us stories about a fire diving con man, coaching kindergarten and 1st graders in bowling, teaching modern band, "Rocket" magazine, limited memory capacity, joining Chicago, the School of Rock's influence, 17 hour work days, curling, the Valleyfair hole, RBIs, flute proficiency, kidney stones, Eric's new book, and a lot of talk about the 80s. To learn more about Eric and his a...
2023-03-1951 min
beyond ArtLessBrian BalmagesSend us a textIn this week's episode Allison finds out that Phil is making this podcast, some of Peter's students stop by to communicate their appreciation for his teaching, and a young composer named Paco Van Bernsteinsky (aka- Brian Balmages) hopes to finally launch his career. Our conversations will encompass Beethoven's daily routine, moving to Alfred, Kyiv 2022, Brian's father teaching his spouse, professional underwater basketweaving, Disney All-American Orchestra, accidents involving police cars, silent coyote, and wiggly fingers. Learn more about Brian and his music here: https://www.brianbalmages.com/If you haven't seen t...
2023-03-1259 min
beyond ArtLessAndrew Boysen Jr.Send us a textIn this week's episode we reflect on Peter’s recent tour with the Concordia Band and Elliot Ostrander’s (Phil and Allison’s Son) review of one of the performances prior to introducing our esteemed guest, composer, music educator and amazing human, Andrew Boysen Jr. We talk about his start as a composer, his composition style and process, Myron Welch, Nick Orovich, and Timothy Mahr. The conversation goes well until Phil shares a story about his brush with death at his first gig with the Portland Symphony in Maine.Learn more ab...
2023-03-0652 min
beyond ArtLessJocelyn HagenSend us a textTalk about the ultimate mashup! Talented composer and musician, Jocelyn Hagen, known for her amazing mashups (and much more) joins the ArtLess fellas for an intriguing discussion about Jocelyn's soon to premiere and SOLD OUT opera, The Song Poet. Described as "The first Hmong story adapted for the operatic stage, St. Paul writer Kao Kalia Yang’s memoir The Song Poet comes to life in this world premiere. It tells the story of Yang’s family and her song poet father as war drives them from the mountains of Laos into a Thai refug...
2023-02-2758 min
beyond ArtLessPatty SchlaferSend us a textEpisode 5 features the beloved music educator, leader, mentor, and human, Patty Schlafer. She shares with us her start in music education, her proudest moments, and playing Uno with a few mean girls. We talk over relocation options with Phil, tuba mutes, initial listener feedback, and a pitchless (possibly artless) rendition of the National Anthem. Support the show
2023-02-2045 min
Cooking By Heart with Chris SarandonCooking By Heart with Joanna GleasonIn this special Valentine’s Day episode, Chris’s Valentine, the multi-talented actress/writer/director Joanna Gleason, chats about her childhood food strike, and her culinary awakening when her family moved from Canada to the U.S., especially the thrilling assault on her senses when discovering Mexican food and culture after moving to LA. She also talks about her adult transition to French cuisine and its production and performance. AND…she improvises a surprise interview with Chris! Don't forget to follow all of the social media! @Sarandon_Chris on Twitter @TheOfficialChrisSarandon on Instagram Chris Sarandon on Facebook www.chrissarandon.com linktr.ee/the...
2023-02-1447 min
beyond ArtLessParker BixbySend us a textEpisode 4 has many similarities to Wagner's Ring Cycle - it is both long and epic! On the show is Peter's former colleague, dear friend, and AMAZING music educator, Parker Bixby, Mercer Island Band Program in Seattle. Our chat includes ideas regarding music department websites, vertical staffing, and a new philosophy and process for auditions. Don't worry, it's not all serious - Phil records the episode from a closet in his home and Parker shares a story about Peter missing a gig. Learn more about Parker and the Mercer Island Band Program Here: https...
2023-02-131h 02
Information OperationIO Episode 161 - Florida Is Not Free Part 4 - Chris GleasonHost L Todd Wood speaks with Chris Gleason on Florida election corruption.
2023-02-1135 minbeyond ArtLessCraig GosnellSend us a textEpisode three carries some serious "star" power....like Dancing With The Stars power! Los Angeles freelance trombonist/vocalist/low brass specialist, Craig Gosnell, joins us for a chat about studio playing, The Rock, Bill Holmen, Gonna Fly Now at fff, polkas, and buttons. To learn more about Craig check out his list of amazing accomplishments here: https://www.greenhoe.com/craig-gosnell/Listen to Craig here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V17dBySHHKoWant to see Phil get a smooch at the end of the trombone feature during our Disney days...
2023-02-0647 minbeyond ArtLessErika SvanoeSend us a textWell...we somehow figured out how to do another podcast an good thing because this week we were joined by composer, entrepreneur, musician, inventor, educator, and all-around amazing person, Erika Svanoe! Erika chats with us about card games, fear, Andy Boysen Jr, failed community theatre roles, her first symphony and much more. If you can stomach the sound of Chris, Peter, and Phil's voices you will be delighted by this episode. To learn more about Erika and her fantastic music, go to https://www.erikasvanoe.com/Support the show
2023-01-3051 minbeyond ArtLessScott TeepleSend us a textIn our first (and maybe last) podcast, UW-Madison Director of Bands, Prof. Scott Teeple, joins us for a chat about his childhood in Michigan, Interlochen, stingers, how to begin a rehearsal, pizza, and even Mahler. As you will hear, no topic is off the table and the best parts of the show have little or nothing to do with the three idiots who are the hosts. Support the show
2023-01-2348 minbeyond ArtLessTrailerSend us a text“Beyond ArtLess" with Chris Gleason, Peter Haberman & Phil Ostrander is a podcast that explores the friendships and the community that exists in and outside of the arts and arts education. In each episode of Beyond ArtLess, one of the hosts reveals his mystery guest to the other two. What comes next is a fun-filled conversation revealing the joy of friendship and the artlessness of the hosts. Unlike most successful classrooms, this show is not well planned and probably not worth your time. Support the show
2023-01-1901 min
Information OperationIO Episode 157 – FLORIDA IS NOT FREE PART 2 – Chris GleasonHost L Todd Wood speaks with election integrity activist Chris Gleason on evidence of serious election felony crime in Florida which the DeSantis administration refuses to address.
2023-01-171h 00
Information OperationIO Episode 154 - FLORIDA IS NOT FREEE PART 1 - Chris GleasonHost L Todd Wood speaks with election integrity activist Chris Gleason on evidence of serious election felony crime in Florida which the DeSantis administration refuses to address.
2023-01-1455 min
HomeWorkChris Gleason: Actor, Comedian, Content CreatorChris Gleason (@cgleason22) and Karen chat about what it's like to go viral on TikTok, sustaining content creation, and their own processes for finding inspiration. Enjoy the sound of Chris's kittens running around in the background. Nobody's gonna know.
Be sure to check out Chris's charity shout out at thetrevorproject.org.
Recorded on July 20, 2021
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2021-09-2959 min
What's Your Deal? With Doug GleasonChris Philips and John BoyDoug is back with Chris and John Boy Bonus Episode.Host: Doug GleasonProducer: Chris PhillipsGuest: John Boy(Social Media) https://www.youtube.com/@whatsyourdealwithdouggleas870https://www.youtube.com/@whatsyourdealwithdouggleas5430
2021-08-141h 01
What's Your Deal? With Doug Gleason(Bonus) Chris Philips and John BoyDoug is back with Chris and John Boy Bonus Episode.Host: Doug GleasonProducer: Chris PhillipsGuest: John Boy(Social Media) https://www.youtube.com/@whatsyourdealwithdouggleas870https://www.youtube.com/@whatsyourdealwithdouggleas5430
2021-08-141h 00
What's Your Deal? With Doug GleasonChris Phillips (New Co-Host)Doug Gleason, Co-Host Chris Phillips and John boy talk about life and get to know each other in their first ever podcast created together.Host: Doug GleasonProducer: John BoyGuest: Chris Phillips(Social Media) https://www.youtube.com/@whatsyourdealwithdouggleas870https://www.youtube.com/@whatsyourdealwithdouggleas5430
2021-07-251h 00What's Your Deal? With Doug GleasonEp. 19: Chris Phillips (New Co-Host)Doug Gleason, Co-Host Chris Phillips and John boy talk about life and get to know each other in their first ever podcast created together.Host: Doug GleasonProducer: John BoyGuest: Chris Phillips(Social Media) https://www.youtube.com/@whatsyourdealwithdouggleas870https://www.youtube.com/@whatsyourdealwithdouggleas5430
2021-07-251h 00
Making LapsEp. 53- Rivals and War Stories (w/ Chris Meyer)In this episode, the Gleason Bros. along with Phil Jacques welcome Sportsman competitor Chris Meyer as a guest, and they discuss:
the sleep patterns of children,
the dangers and foolishness of fighting in the pits,
racers war stories,
and podcast listeners miss out on 15 minutes of confusion as our computer crashed, but you'll never know.
Follow us on Instagram @makinglapspodcast, Facebook.com/makinglapspodcast, and send us an email to makinglapspodcast@gmail.com
Eventually you may find us on the Vault Productions...
2021-02-091h 34
Chris Rebroadcast Podcast2017-12-05 - 4.08_ Process Stories (with Joanna Gleason)2017-12-05 - 4.08_ Process Stories (with Joanna Gleason)
2021-01-1758 min
What's Your Deal? With Doug GleasonChris (Bell Bar Local)We got Chris a Bell Bar Local in the studio today.Host: Doug GleasonProducer: Ryan DGuest: Chris(Social Media) https://www.youtube.com/@whatsyourdealwithdouggleas870https://www.youtube.com/@whatsyourdealwithdouggleas5430
2021-01-061h 02What's Your Deal? With Doug GleasonEp. 03: Chris (Bell Bar Local)We got Chris a Bell Bar Local in the studio today.Host: Doug GleasonProducer: Ryan DGuest: Chris(Social Media) https://www.youtube.com/@whatsyourdealwithdouggleas870https://www.youtube.com/@whatsyourdealwithdouggleas5430
2021-01-061h 02
Auburn Investment Properties Podcast with Chris KearnsEpisode 024: Mortgage Broker Interview: Barry & Gleason Jones (Part 2 of 2)In this episode, I continue the interview Barry & Gleason Jones of Cross Country Mortgage in Auburn. If you missed the previous episode, you should definitely start there. It is a 2-parter, but you can see the breakdown of topics covered in each episode below...PART 1:Gleason's lessons from being a landlordARM's - are they still out there?How do THEY determine your credit score?Intro to Condo loansImportance of accurate details on loan applicationsHow do you determine if it’s a 2nd home or investment property?How are the loans different for a 2nd home...
2020-10-2042 min