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The Power of Music ThinkingWalking with a Shakuhachi Priest - music thinking in actionIn many episodes, we discuss the strategic bridge between the boardroom and the stage, often focusing on clear insights and structured conversations about leadership and innovation.
Today is different.
We step out of the studio and into the heat of Nara, Japan, for a "soundwalk" with Jonen, a 'shakuhachi priest' and former Komuso monk.
Jonen’s practice isn’t about silence; it’s about engagement. In this immersive field recording, we explore the Japanese concept of "reading the air" (Kuuki wo yomu) and the practice of "meditation in the midst." He demonstrates that playin...
2026-01-1334 minThe Power of Music ThinkingAudio investigation for human rights with Fabio Cervi
In many episodes, we talk about how sound and listening can make a difference for good. We’ve explored themes like sound healing, music psychology, and deep listening—all ways sound and music thinking can be a force for good.
Today is somewhat different.
We speak with Fabio Cervi, an audio investigator for Earshot, a non-profit audio investigation organisation that works on the front lines of human rights and environmental advocacy.
Fabio’s work isn't just about listening; it's about finding evidence. He uses sound to tel...
2025-12-081h 02The Power of Music ThinkingOrchestrating Innovation and AI for your businessThe word 'orchestration' is everywhere in business right now—we see 'innovation orchestrator,' 'data orchestrator.', ‘Change orchestrator’. It’s become a strategic buzzword and many are using it, just search for the term on LinkedIn.
I’ve mentioned my research on this topic before, and I’m thrilled to share that the full peer-reviewed paper—which I co-authored and presented at the RSD14 Relating Systems Thinking and Design conference—is now available. You can find the link in the show notes.
But to bring this idea to life, I wanted to try an e...
2025-11-1721 minThe Power of Music ThinkingMarketing & Singing with Jessica WanOne of the great myths of a modern career is that you have to choose just one path. My guest today, Jessica Wan, is living proof that you absolutely don’t.
Her career has taken her from leading marketing teams at world-renowned organisations like Apple and the San Francisco Opera, to becoming a sought-after executive coach. And running parallel to all of this, she is a classically trained singer preparing for her next recital.
She champions a philosophy she calls 'The Ampersand Manifesto', which celebrates people who connect multiple passions and professions.
It's a r...
2025-11-0351 minThe Power of Music ThinkingSonic UX research with Caitlyn Trevor - The Power of Music ThinkingCould smart sound design actually make calling a hospital a less stressful experience? And what if the sound of a cello could be scientifically mapped to our emotions?
These are just some of the questions we’ll be exploring today with our guest, Caitlyn Trevor. Caitlyn holds a PhD in Music Theory, a Master’s in Cello Performance, and is an award-winning film score composer. As a researcher and UX professional, her work sits at that fascinating intersection of performance, science, and user experience.
In our chat, we trace Caitlyn’s journey from discovering the Lord o...
2025-10-1350 minThe Power of Music ThinkingIntersection of Music and Data with Chris Dalla RivaToday we’re heading to Hoboken, New Jersey, to speak with Chris Dalla Riva, who works at the fascinating intersection of music and data. He’s a Senior Product Manager at the streaming service Audiomack, and the writer behind the popular newsletter Can’t Get Much Higher. His work has been featured by The Economist and NPR, and you might know him as the guy who set off an internet-wide debate about the decline of key changes in popular music.
In our conversation today, we get into some incredible territory. We’ll discuss his research into the Billboar...
2025-09-2139 minThe Power of Music ThinkingAudio Postcards from Japan & The Future of Music ThinkingAnd we're back! In this special first episode after the summer break, Christof takes you on a sensory journey to Japan with a series of 'audio postcards' recorded in Kyoto, Tokyo, and Koyasan. It's an immersive exploration of sound, mindfulness, and creativity.
Stick around for the second half, where Christof makes three major announcements about the future of Music Thinking, including a new way for you to support the show and an upcoming online workshop.
IN THIS EPISODE, YOU'LL HEAR:
Audio Postcard #1: The serene water basin and surrounding soundscape of the Ryoanji Temple...
2025-08-3017 minThe Power of Music ThinkingWhy do we listen to sad music? With Sandra GarridoOur guest today is both an accomplished musician and a fascinating researcher. Dr. Sandra Garrido is a pianist and violinist who holds a PhD combining the worlds of music and psychology. Her work focuses on a question that touches all of us: how can music regulate our mood and improve our mental wellbeing? What's truly unique is that she explores this not just today, but through a historical lens, uncovering how music has always been used to help people feel better.
In our conversation, Sandra gives us fascinating insights into the paradoxical appeal of sad music. We d...
2025-07-0148 minThe Power of Music ThinkingChallenging the AI Oracle: Maya Ackerman on Music, Creativity, and CollaborationOur guest today is Dr. Maya Ackerman, a world-renowned AI expert who has been at the forefront of generative AI since 2015. She holds a PhD in Computer Science, is a professor at Santa Clara University, and has authored over 60 research publications.
As the co-founder and CEO of WaveAI, one of the earliest generative AI startups, she specialises in creating systems that elevate AI from a novelty to an essential tool for millions. A recognised 'Woman of Influence' and sought after for her expertise by outlets such as NBC News and New Scientist, her perspective is truly unique.
2025-06-0951 minThe Power of Music ThinkingPioneering music thinking and first online interviewThis is a personal story about my first online interview at the end of the 1990s. It is a trip back in time with original sound snippets from the interview with famous conductor and pianist Daniel Barenboim in the Opéra Royale at Versailles. Find out how we did this technically and what questions the maestro was asked that came from the internet.
This is another special episode where I experiment with different kinds of storytelling.
This time, it is also about pioneering the internet and music thinking. You hear original sounds from 1997 that might so...
2025-05-0629 minThe Power of Music ThinkingScience, Music and Regulating Emotions with Hauke EgermannWhat can people and organisations learn from science and music? Why should we care? Are there universal mechanisms that are valid all over the world to all human species? Or is everything an individual experience?
Today, we talk with Hauke Egermann, Professor of Systematical Musicology at the University of Cologne.
We speak about universal mechanisms that are valid all over the world; we learn from research with an isolated culture in Congo, the Pygmies from Mebenzélé, that refuse to practise negative music and have different songs to regulate their emotions. Songs against fear, anger, or...
2025-04-0159 minThe Power of Music ThinkingEverything about Orchestration with Robin HoffmannA few episodes ago, I asked the question What is Orchestration? This was because I saw a lot of different orchestrators, nota bene, non-musical orchestrators with job titles like Design Orchestrator, Value Network Orchestrator, Data Orchestrator and Innovation Orchestrator, just to name a few. This is an ongoing research, and I am writing a paper about what people do when they say they are orchestrating.
But today, we flip the side and talk with a music orchestrator, or, shall I say, an original orchestrator?
We speak with Robin Hoffmann, a prize-winning composer, arranger and orchestrator fr...
2025-03-111h 00The Power of Music ThinkingInspiring Books on Music ThinkingLet’s talk about books today. What was the last book that inspired you? Was it a novel, a non-fiction book, a design book, a music book or a cookbook?
In this episode, I share three books that inspired my sound way of thinking, experiencing the world with an open ear and what has led to developing music thinking, the framework, the jam cards, the book and the podcast.
I will briefly discuss Nada Brahma by Joachim Ernst Berend, The Soundscape by R. Murray Schafer, and The Glass Bead Game, the prize-winning novel by He...
2025-02-2548 minThe Power of Music ThinkingSonic Branding with Willemijn van HussenToday we speak with Willemijn van Hussen - a trained concert pianist, strategy consultant - co-founder and owner of Sonic Branding agency TAMBR.
We talk about the power of our senses and how sound can make a difference in recognising a brand and what it stands for. Willemijn shares with us insights from an audio branding project, with a sonic logo, brand anthem and different sound assets that are used strategically.
Among others, we hear the brand anthem of Lazy Vegan and how this might be different from other brands in the industry. Willemijn gives t...
2025-01-3151 minThe Power of Music ThinkingThe role of emotions and rationality in research with Leonoor OpsteltenWe end this year with Leonoor Opstelten, a young researcher who used improvisation and music as an experimental approach for her thesis on forest and nature conservation. With this approach, she won the Birgit Elands thesis prize just a few weeks ago.
In her thesis, she included five piano pieces accompanying five different storylines - patterns and themes that resulted from her research.
Let's listen to the research, its story, and the beautiful music.
Show notes
Connect with Leonoor: www.linkedin.com/in/leonoor-opstelten-088957297
Download her thesis: https://edepot.wur.nl/657505
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2024-12-2148 minThe Power of Music ThinkingThinking Music - Music Thinking - special epsiodeChristof Zürn talks about music thinking, the music thinking framework, and JAMMIN’ before SCORE and what this means in the context of co-creation in the business. How does this sound?
It sounds marvellous; we hear a lot of musical experts from the new (digital) album of MRZ - an ambient improvisation trio - and get an explanation of how this relates to the music thinking practise.
Show notes
Thinking Music Playlist: https://open.spotify.com/playlist/0yITUGcz4pH8qU0FbN4vhc?si=bdb26633538a4495
Download Music Thinking Framework: https://musicthinking.com/download-music-thinking-instruments/
MRZ on Ban...
2024-11-2938 minThe Power of Music ThinkingWhat is orchestration?What is orchestration? And
What is an orchestrator? What do they do?
Is everybody now a musician or music thinker?
Is it important? And Why should we care?
What challenges around orchestration are there in different fields and can music, music thinking or the grandmaster of orchestration, Rimski-Korsakov, help?
In this short episode, I discuss a pre-research concerning orchestration in different fields. If you are an orchestrator or use orchestration to explain your work, please fill in the form below.
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2024-10-2115 minThe Power of Music ThinkingStrings between MBA and AI with Anna Filochowskajoin us in our conversation and hear more about the journey from Poland to Germany and the US, from playing violin in a top-notch orchestra to getting an MBA at Stanford University Graduate School of Business and writing a white paper about AI and music.
Show Notes
Connect with Anna: https://www.linkedin.com/in/aniaf/
Berlin Philharmonic: https://www.berliner-philharmoniker.de/en/
AI White Paper: https://www.linkedin.com/feed/update/urn:li:activity:7228754698395148288/
Performing at Stanford: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QJIjLMMMuYg
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2024-09-0854 minThe Power of Music ThinkingSound Walk in the Summer with Christof Zürn
Today is a special episode of the podcast, not just because of the 50th episode anniversary but because there will be no guests today. Instead, you'll be immersed in a unique sound walk experience, a journey of sound I recorded in July in Italy. This is not just a regular episode; it's a sonic adventure.
Open your mind and listening brain because, as we learned in the last episode with Professor Nina Kraus, you can only hear what you know.
But now let's get on our trip or, better ye...
2024-08-0352 minThe Power of Music ThinkingA Love Letter to Sound with Nina KrausWe don't just hear; we engage with sounds. Our hearing is always on, and we can't close our ears the way we close our eyes, yet we can ignore unimportant sounds. Making sense of sound is one of the most challenging jobs we ask our brains to do. But how does this work?
Today, we speak with Dr. Nina Kraus, scientist, inventor, book author, Professor of Neurobiology at Northwestern University, and Director of BrainVolts.
Nina's research reveals that our daily lives, filled with sound, play a significant role in shaping how our brain interprets the s...
2024-06-2351 minThe Power of Music ThinkingSound Buildings with Ron van LeeuwenToday, we speak with Ron van Leeuwen, who straddles two creative worlds. By day, he is an architect and urban designer, shaping physical spaces. By night, he transforms his creative energy into music, composing pieces that the 55-piece Metropole Orkest has recorded. His newest composition, Architones, is also available on Spotify.
We discuss the relations and differences between working in these two fields, the metamorphoses of buildings and music, and the challenges of delivering a feasible building.
During our discussion, Ron generously shares his compositional insights and the creative process behind his homage to the Vredespalais (Peace...
2024-05-2054 minThe Power of Music ThinkingThe Art of Freedom with Jennifer Roig-Francoli
How are your habits getting in the way of being more creative? How does self-observation make you a better performer? And how can touching from a distance help you with performance problems?
Today, we speak with Jennifer Roig-Francoli - violinist, healer, coach, author and creator of The Art of Freedom Method for Conscious Living and Masterful Artistry.
We discuss methods like the Alexander technique, the Suzuki method, the mother-tongue method, NLP (Neurolinguistic Programming) and how they benefit everyone who has to rehearse and perform, whether in music or business.
2024-04-2247 min
Unprofessionalism265 - In the Rhythm of Leadership: Learnings from Music Thinking with Christof ZürnFrom free jazz and the musical echelons of piano concerto, to indigenous beats and the didgeridoo, this week’s episode is an invitation into the wondrous world of Music Thinking.Christof Zürn is the inventor of this mindset; his storied background in musicology, creative direction and service design became the symphony to his brainchild. He now helps organisations to apply the principles of music to their daily lives, offering a new lexicon with which to interpret and understand business, leadership - and of course, facilitation!Hear all about Christof’s musical mindset, how to apply...
2024-04-171h 16The Power of Music ThinkingMusic and Astrophysics with Dr Mariana WagnerDr. Mariana Wagner, an astrophysicist, songwriter, podcaster, and composer of immersive live shows about sound and space.
We learn about her journey that led her from studying oceanography, working as a songwriter for German Schlager stars and becoming a doctor of astrophysics.
Mariana also brought some sound examples to the show. We hear a conversation between Saturn and one of its moons, an excerpt from the sound files on the famous golden record that has accompanied the Voyager since 1977, and the grooving sound of moving plasma from the sun.
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2024-03-2438 minThe Power of Music ThinkingBetter English with Jam Cards and Anita Prestidge
How cool is this? You develop a multisensory product to let people experience your ideas about music thinking and then someone comes along and uses your product for something completely different.
So today, we speak with Anita Prestidge, an English trainer with experience in theatre, directing, and education. When Anita picked up the cards, she had another idea of what to do with these cards and developed her own unique method. So, if you want to speak better English while using the Jam Cards, connect with Anita online.
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2024-02-2738 min
This is HCD – Human-Centered Design, UX & Service Design Thinking Podcast"Exploring Creativity and Collaboration: A Journey through Music Thinking and Jam Cards with Christof Zürn"If you like our content, be sure to sign up to our weekly The Design Compass Newsletter. Design Smarter. Lead Better.Interested in training for your organisation with This is HCD? Let's speak by booking a 15-minute call.Welcome back to the show to our old friend Christof Zürn. I actually had the pleasure of meeting this wonderful human being in person in Amsterdam earlier this month. Christof appeared on the podcast a number of years ago but since then has produced his book "The Power of Music Thinking”, published by BIS Publ...
2024-02-2244 minThe Power of Music ThinkingScience and Music dialogue with Carolin Seiferth
Today, we are in Sweden, and we speak with Carolin Seiferth - a PhD student at the Stockholm Resilience Centre, where she does research on the island of Öland.
Carolin combines scientific research with music to raise awareness about sustainability issues around the Baltic Sea. In this way, she inspires the audience to take action to address challenges related to a changing climate. Carolin shares some insights with us about her research and the creative production that led to the musical piece “Dialogues” as part of the Baltic Sea Festival Science Lab.
We talked...
2024-02-0237 min
Creative Engagement PodcastCreative Engagement Creative Companion Christof ZürnEngage with us via Text Message!My guest Christof Zürn from Nijmegen, Netherlands is a Creative Companion, a musicologist, a chief design officer, a service designer, an entrepreneur and a creative director. "I share my experiences and skills in talks, podcasts, blogs and a book, and my passion is to make musical principles simple enough to use in our daily lives."Explore Christof's ideas:My work is at creative companion website, I use musicthinking.com to promote my way of thinking and doing, with zuern.nl I am...
2023-12-2840 minThe Power of Music ThinkingRewind 2023 - The Power of Music Thinking - PodcastWelcome to the Rewind 2023 of The Power of Music Thinking podcast, where I have conversations with extraordinary people from all over the world who are also musicians or use music in the broadest sense of the word to learn, teach, inspire and collaborate meaningfully.
This year, we had 15 episodes, and virtually, we travelled from Nijmegen in the Netherlands, where all podcasts are recorded, to Berlin, Braunschweig, Zürich, London, Oslo, New York, West Virginia, Nashville, Los Angeles, Hawaii, Singapore, Tokyo, Mumbai and New Zealand.
What were the themes?
The overarching themes were leadership, co-creation, cr...
2023-12-2043 minThe Power of Music ThinkingHow Music Can Make Your City Better with Shain Shapiro
Today, we are in Nashville, and we speak with Shain Shapiro - a globally recognised thought leader at the convergence of music, culture and urban policy.
Shain is the CEO of Sound Diplomacy - a global research and strategy consultancy, and he also leads the non-profit Center for Music Ecosystems, which commissions research to help solve local, national and international challenges using music as a tool.
Shain has authored reports on the role of music in cities, tourism, the nighttime economy, real estate and recovery, including the most extensive g...
2023-12-0226 minThe Power of Music ThinkingThe Sound of a Toy Dolphin - Special Episode - The Power of Music ThinkingListen to an incredible sonic project by a Design Academy Eindhoven (DAE) graduate: Louis Moeckel. Hear the story about the supply chain of the production of a Toy Dolphin and the creation of research into an artistic Vinyl record. If you like Techno and the Berghain Club in Berlin you will like this. See the show notes to pre-order this unique Vinyl record.
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2023-11-0524 minThe Power of Music ThinkingStanding still with Alexander Refsum Jensenius
What is the use of standing still for 10 minutes? I was asking myself when I saw a post on social media. It was a double picture of a man with a mobile phone around his neck displaying some data, and another picture showed the view he saw at that moment. I learned that he stood there for 10 minutes without any movement, listening to the sound that was already there. There were many pictures like this, and I decided to get in contact.
So, today, we are in Oslo. We speak with Alexander Refsum Jensenius, a pr...
2023-10-0451 minThe Power of Music ThinkingSonification with Mike von der Nahmer
Mike von der Nahmer is a sound researcher, music therapist, scientific collaborator at the German Aerospace Center and composer.
With over 30 stage works and 100+ compositions, he holds international recognition. He has collaborated with GRAMMY, Kenwood, Sony BMG, Rolls Royce and BMW, and his music has been featured in TV series like NOVA.
Mike shares with us some sonification projects in various domains, such as weather patterns, language, the brain, and sound design in autonomous vehicles. For example, he gives us insights into his work at the German Aerospace Center (th...
2023-09-111h 16The Power of Music ThinkingMusical Mind Hacking with Jeena EarthivaToday we are in Mumbai. We talk with Jeena Earthiva. Jeena is a Transformational Coach, a Producer with a master’s in Computer Science, an ex-Bollywood singer, the Founder of Conscious Music Code, and a ‘Mind DJ’.
Jeena conveys her story of a successful Bollywood singer who lost her voice at the top of her singing career and how she found and developed the ‘Conscious Music Code’ that helped her get back on track and start a new career as ‘Mind DJ’.
We talk about the broad field of music between India and the West, and analogies...
2023-08-2247 minThe Power of Music ThinkingSound Strategies and how things go together with Michael SpencerWhy can elements from music be applied for the benefit of communities or companies?
How do you effectively use music and music thinking as a tool?
What does Beethoven's 9th and Japanese woodwork have in common?
We are in the in-between space, between music and business, education and performance, listening and understanding, and London and Tokyo.
So, today we talk with Michael Spencer. Michael is the founder of Sound Strategies Ltd, TEDx speaker, Visiting Professor at Ueno Gakuen University (Tokyo), and the Communication Director of the Japan Philharmonic Orchestra.
He was Head of education at th...
2023-07-191h 12The Power of Music ThinkingLeading an Orchestra of Leaders with Harvey Seifter - Part 1 - Music ThinkingThis episode is about art, innovation and leadership.
What is the relationship between art-based learning, innovation and co-creation? How do you lead an ensemble of leaders? And why do people often use the metaphor of a conductor when discussing leadership? Or, is a conductor actually just a middle manager?
So, today we are in New York and talking with Harvey Seifter. Harvey is the founder of The Art of Science Learning, a US National Science Foundation-funded initiative that uses the arts to spark innovation in science, technology, engineering and education.
And Harvey is also a...
2023-06-2736 minThe Power of Music ThinkingListening to the Field - Special EpisodeThis is a special episode about listening in the field and some activities I did last month.
Hear more about a short field recording in the middle of the most dangerous roundabout in the Netherlands, about the visit to my birth town in the South of Germany, where I have recorded the Turmbläser, which are performing a sonic ritual since 400 years high above the belfry on all four balconies every Sunday.
And I also share some news, development, and info about the Listening Day at the Design Academy in Eindhoven.
Spec...
2023-05-3024 minThe Power of Music ThinkingSound pictures with Charles BrooksToday we touch base on the intersection between music and photography, and that in many different ways.
My guest today is Charles Brooks, an exceptionable photographer and musician, that for the last 20 years has been New Zealand’s most successful orchestral cellist. Charles held principal positions in Australia, China, Chile and Brazil, with concerts worldwide.
He also gives us insights in the organisation and culture of professional symphony orchestras and shares personal stories about the life of an orchestra musician that played with Lang Lang and for celebrities like Tony Blair and Arnold Schwarzenegger.
Whi...
2023-04-051h 25The Power of Music ThinkingHow Music Speaks with Ben Pelzer
Today we are in Singapore; we talk with Benjamin Pelzer, Assistant Professor of the Wee Kim Wee School of Communication and Information at Nanyang Technological University.
Ben is trained in Music Theory and Psychology. He works as an assistant professor and scientist with expertise in the methods of cognitive neuroscience, machine learning, computational social science, and empirical psychology.
And Ben is teaching a one-of-its-kind course in the world of research on music as a sort of socio-cultural phenomenon and is using techniques from the field of communication and applying t...
2023-03-2257 minThe Power of Music ThinkingWorld-building and empathic storytelling with Eelko LommersWhat are the links between daily work for a multinational company, an omnichannel fantasy story and playing in a band?
My guest today is Eelko Lommers, Global Director Product Experience Design at IKEA, creator, designer, writer of a (not yet published) novel and a musician in a post-hardcore band.
We talk about empathy with clients, personality in a brand context and global operations that need adaptations in different markets. And that a lot of a country's culture is directly related to its original music.
We discuss the endless loop of listening, tuning, playing a...
2023-03-061h 15
Rock 'N Healthy LifestylesTHE POWER OF MUSIC THINKING: A Sound Life with Dr. Jen Palladino, Hosted by Christof Zurn EPISODE 016: Hi, this is Dr. Jen! You know, there’s nothing that I like more than interviewing my guests for these episodes of Rock ‘N Healthy Lifestyles which, I’m so thrilled that you’ve enjoy! Interviewing my guests and learning and sharing their stories, viewpoints, and imparted knowledge and advice has been a wonderful experience for me. But, for today’s episode, I thought I’d turn the table and do something a little different.Christof Zurn, the Host of the podcast, The Power of Music Thinking was kind enough to ask me to be a guest on h...
2023-02-2855 minThe Power of Music ThinkingA Sound Life with Dr Jen PalladinoFrom the wild Punk scene in New York and London of the 70s to a sound healing practice in Los Angeles, my guest today is Jennifer Palladino, also called Dr Jen, a Doctor of Chiropractic, the Regional Director of the You Rock Foundation and a holistic health facilitator connecting mind, body and spirit with Chiropractic Sound Therapy.
Her musical experiences span from being a young performer wrangler at the American Ballet Theatre while Mikhail Baryshnikov was Artistic Director, to working in the music industry and a mastering studio in New York to the legendary Marquee Club in London...
2023-02-1651 minThe Power of Music ThinkingWhat Music taught me about political journalism with Matt K Lewis
What has political journalism to do with music? Well, quite a lot.
My guest today is Matt K Lewis from West Virginia, a political columnist for the daily beast, former CNN contributor, TV commentator for MSNBC’s morning show, a podcaster on Matt Lewis and the News (pun intended) and musician.
Matt shares with us that he started his career, or better, the foundation of his later career, in the basement rehearsing with his band. Years later, when already a political journalist, he reflected on his music years and wrote an essay ab...
2023-02-0142 minThe Power of Music ThinkingHealthcare, Sound Healing and Mantras Rasa PriyaRasa Priya in conversation with Christof Zürn.
Rasa Priya describes the concept and advantages of sound healing, especially the vibrations behind the chanting of mantras, which are essential in his teaching of vocal empowerment, like the word 'Om' that, besides the sound, also has a healing effect on our facial muscles, creating possibilities of experiences.
Rasa also introduces us to the work of the Japanese water photographer Masaru Emoto who visualises different styles of music but also words like hate, love, and guilt with his water crystals.
And he explains to us ho...
2023-01-1633 minThe Power of Music ThinkingAre you a polymath? With Barbara KleebIn The Power of Music Thinking podcast, we have conversations with exciting people that are also musicians. They see analogies between music and the areas they are working. So what they do is combine knowledge and skills from multiple fields to make significant contributions to various areas.
In The Power of Music Thinking book, I call them the AND-musician. I talk about this, especially in the Backstage chapter, where we dive into analogies to switch from one field to the other, like: Black is to white as off is to on. Or, conducting is to classical music as...
2023-01-0345 minThe Power of Music ThinkingEvery Noise at Once with Glenn McDonaldWell it's this time of the year. And I am not talking about the countdown until Christmas and the holiday. I am also not talking about ‘the word of the year’, or any other review compiled and curated by air quote “specialists”. I am talking about you, or better about your data, or even more close about your musical behaviour, taste and most played songs. Yes, it is the time when all Spotify users get their personal wrap-up of the year.
But this episode is not about the making of the wrap-up. This episode is about musical genre type...
2022-12-1454 minThe Power of Music ThinkingGender equality with Gabriella Di LaccioMy guest today is Gabriella Di Laccio, public speaker, curator, activist, award-winning soprano and recording artist. She is one of the leading voices in the fight for gender equality in music. Listed as one of the BBC’s 100 most inspirational and influential women in the world, Gabriella is also the founder and curator of the charitable foundation Donne - Women in Music - dedicated to achieving gender equality in the music industry.
We talk about the incredibly long list of woman composers and the unbelievably few plays they get in conservative classical music organisations. Gabriella shares with us...
2022-11-0943 minThe Power of Music ThinkingConducting Design with Raf De KeninckMy guest today is Raf De Keninck, executive member, director of education, research, and organisation of the Design Academy Eindhoven - one of the world's leading design schools. And Raf is also a performing musician, clarinet player and conductor. He played, for example, at the beginning of the 2000s, 300 concerts a year.
We start with sharing the incredible dreams he had as a child and a unique ritual he did in his adolescent years.
And we get some insights into his leadership skills, for example, the advantages of having an outside view, combined with excellent l...
2022-10-1049 minThe Power of Music ThinkingModular Strategies with Rikkert AchtereekteMy guest today is Rikkert Achtereekte, customer director of sales and electronic musician. Rikkert works for the IT engineering company Schuberg Philis, which focuses on mission-critical processes. And Rikkert is a composer and performer of electronic music and gets together with some friends for a bi-monthly improvisation session on modular synthesizers.
Rikkert shares insights about his company that builds solutions for business problems, for example, with a collaborative approach they call 'system in the room'. And they are pretty successful in what they are doing; they now got the Giarte XLA award for the 16th time. And...
2022-09-1941 minThe Power of Music ThinkingThe Instrument with a smile with Dagan Bernstein - UkuleleToday we are in Hawaii. We speak with Dagan Bernstein, a teacher and musician passionate about designing and leading innovative educational experiences. Dagan is currently serving as Capstone Coordinator at an independent K-12 international boarding school in Hawaii with additional expertise in mathematics, music, and digital media instruction.
We speak about collaboration in the classroom, how to co-create with students and how this might be an inspiration for business people. And we talk intensively about the Ukulele, how he is using this in teaching, and some historical background, and we hear him play a tenor ukulele during t...
2022-08-1554 min
The Virtual Campfire with Tony MartignettiBringing People Together With Music Thinking With Christof ZürnA good way to bring people and things together is to think of everything as an instrument. The music thinking framework allows you to think of all your different work tools, templates, or canvases as instruments. This is an effective way to bring collaboration into the workplace the same way musicians do it. Join Tony Martignetti as he talks to Christof Zürn about his new book The Power of Music Thinking. Besides being an author, Christof has been in multiple roles like creative director, design thinking coach, service designer, facilitator, and musician. He is also the founder of C...
2022-08-0141 minThe Power of Music ThinkingThe Sound of Nature with Hélène Seiyu Codjo - ShakuhachiIn this episode, you can listen to a conversation with Helene Seiyu Codjo and the sound of the shakuhachi.
Helene is a shakuhachi performer, composer and teacher.
"In the single tone of the shakuhachi, the whole of nature can be heard whispering its secrets." Dean Seicho Del Bene
We talk about the first memorable concert she heard as a child (there is one recital on Spotify with Miguel Ángel Estrella); how she came to the shakuhachi and how playing the shakuhachi has also something to do with 'letting go of your ego’...
2022-07-1352 min
Podcast Secrets PodcastEerst waarde, dan consistentie: interview met Christof ZürnIn deze aflevering van de Podcast Masters Podcast spreekt Anne met Christof Zürn, host van de Power Of Music Thinking Podcast. In dit veelzijdige gesprek zitten een paar gouden tips en inspiratie volle anekdotes! Zo leer je onder andere: Je hoort waarom Christof zijn afleveringen variëren van 30 minuten tot 1,5 uur lang en op […]
2022-06-2946 min
Organisationen entwickeln. becomebetter podcast75. Studiozeit: Music Thinking - eine Analogie zur Lösung komplexer Probleme (Christof Zürn)Christina Grubendorfer im Gespräch mit Christof Zürn.
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2022-06-2242 minThe Power of Music ThinkingGreen Listening and how green vinyl records is revolutionising the vinyl businessSpecial edition: Today, we reflect on the changes in the music industry and how we listen to music, from live concerts to streaming - via vinyl, CD, and download.
And we think about the impact of our choices, the impact on the environment and what medium and behaviour fits best to your listening experience.
Further, we visit Green Vinyl Records in the south of the Netherlands at their factory; we hear the sounds of production of a revolutionary approach to making the vinyl record business a green business.
And learn from them why the...
2022-06-0117 minThe Power of Music ThinkingPerforming in Japan with BjoernToday we are in München, Germany, talking to Björn Eichstädt, Managing Partner & Co-Owner of Storymaker and publisher of the digital magazine “J-BIG – Japan Business in Germany”. He studied Neurobiology and was active in experimental music in the 1990s and 2000s.
Björn takes us on a trip to Japan. From J-Horror Films, Japanese Spirits, Film music, audio innovations, sound aficionados and the Sound Design of the Tokyo Treinstation (note: I added the Yurakucho sound after the conversation).
And he shares the business habits and the harmony aspect in collaboration, the ‘performance thinking’ of meetings in Ja...
2022-05-161h 29The Power of Music ThinkingFinding your Side B with Paula WhiteToday we are in New Albany, Ohio. We speak with Paula White, a globally recognized sales leader, leadership coach and author of the book Side B: Remix Your Leadership Style.
We talk about how music can (re)charge the way you are leading and how leaders can work on their behavioural traits based on music principles. Paula shares with us the ten archetypal instruments that are based on a scientific survey. And Paula explains more about the saxophone type that came out of the survey I did before the conversation.
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2022-05-0438 minThe Power of Music ThinkingTalking about the book with XeniaToday we switch roles: Christof asked his daughter Xenia to ask him anything about the new book: The Power of Music Thinking. Because Xenia was already a collaborator on the Jam Cards, a pre-reader of the new book and worked with her dad for many years, she can ask questions no one else could or would. They talked about leadership, followership, Service Design, the difference between metaphors and analogies, and why a book?
Be ready for a pleasant conversation between father and daughter about The Power of Music Thinking.
Show notes
Book p...
2022-04-0550 min
Giarte Podcast - Founders & Keepers of the XLA realm#12 Design- en musicthinking met Christof ZürnGiarte Podcast | Hoe laat je je team werken als een op elkaar ingespeeld orkest? Wat is Music Thinking en wat hebben we eraan in de wereld van IT? Christof Zürn, oprichter van het adviesbureau Creative Companion, en auteur van het boek The Power of Music Thinking, over ‘Listen, Tune, Play, and Perform’, designthinking en creatief leiderschap.Christof Zürn is de oprichter van musicthinking.com en het adviesbureau Creative Companion. Hij faciliteert teams en leiders hun professionele vaardigheden verder te ontdekken. Met zijn brede ervaring in creatief leiderschap, merkontwikkeling, management consulting en service design, is Zürn een h...
2022-03-2225 minThe Power of Music ThinkingBrands as Patterns with Marc ShillumToday we speak with Marc Shillum, Designer, Creative Mind and trained musician.
Marc was the founding Chief Experience Officer of Matternet, a pioneering transportation startup awarded World Economic Forum Technology Pioneer. In his role, he connected the dots between Customer Needs, Hardware Design, Software Design, User Experience, Visual Design, Business Strategy and Brand Building.
Marc has written OpEds for The World Economic Forum and Virgin Unite, delivered keynotes at SXSW, the Lego Marketing Summit, Nike Design Summit, and others.
And Marc is the author of 'Brands as Patterns', a white paper that opinion-makers l...
2022-02-1454 minThe Power of Music ThinkingListening walkIn this short episode, we look back on some conversations from last year, share tips and short exercises like a 1-minute ritual before a brainstorm and the listening walk.
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2022-02-0317 minThe Power of Music ThinkingRules of engagement with Jim KalbachHow do you bring humanity to work? How do you connect with your team on different levels?
Today, we are in New York, and we talk with Jim Kalbach. Jim is a noted author, speaker, musician, and instructor in design, customer experience, and strategy. He is currently Chief Evangelist at MURAL, the digital online whiteboard designed for remote collaboration and visual problem-solving.
Jim studied music theory and composition with 12-tone composer Charles Wuorinen, and that gives us a kick-start to discuss the differences between fixed instructions, lead sheets and free improvisation in music and our da...
2021-11-3052 minThe Power of Music ThinkingA Sound Facilitation Business with Gerry ScullionHow do you design for inclusivity? How do you get the right people on the team? What would a studio look like for a service designer?
Today on the show we have Gerry Scullion. Gerry is the founder of This is HCD, the global human-centred design podcast and international design community of change-makers, and he is founder and CEO of This is Doing.com
In a ‘previous life’, he was a musician and songwriter who released two albums under the moniker: Minus Circus and worked with 13-time Grammy-winning producer Rafa Sardina.
A few m...
2021-09-2951 minThe Power of Music ThinkingThe Jazz Process to innovation with Adrian ChoWhy do people tip up to six times more than they already have paid? How do people deal with adversity? What do Jazz and Business have in common?
Today we are in Canada talking to Adrian Cho, ex-IBM consultant, book author, wildlife photographer, artistic director of the Ottawa Jazz Orchestra, bass player and creative director of syncspace.
We talk about how a damaged muscle brought Adrian to the piano and later to software development and IT consulting. He shares with us how jazz thinking can influence innovation and help embrace the unknown so that exciting t...
2021-09-151h 01The Power of Music ThinkingMulti-sensory storytelling with Jasper Udink ten CateHow can you tell a story through food and music? Are all chefs drummers? Should prominent leaders start a band together?
In this episode, Creative Companion meets the Creative Chef. We have a lively conversation with Jasper Udink ten Cate, artist, designer, futurist, keynote speaker, book author and drummer. He worked worldwide on exhibitions like London Design Week, Dubai Design, Metropolitan Museum New York and the World Expo in Milano and for companies like Nike, BASF and Google.
Jasper shares his approach to collective storytelling with food, music and design. And we talk about different...
2021-08-2452 minThe Power of Music ThinkingThe Thrills of Business with Padraic McMahonWhat are the similarities between the technology and the record industry? And what is situational leadership?
In this episode, we connect with Padraic McMahon, Customer Success Manager at Hubspot, a software company that helps businesses grow. Padraic has worked in Management positions at Google and LinkedIn. Before that, he was the guitar player of The Thrills that had some major hits from 2003 on. Their first LP was going platinum in the UK and Ireland, and their top hit 'Big Sur' has more than 8 Mio plays on Spotify alone and is still growing.
We talk about t...
2021-08-1053 minThe Power of Music ThinkingCross-pollination in leadership with Ilkka MäkitaloCan we be successful in more than one field? What about the multiple me’s we have developed in different areas?
Today we are in Finland, my guest is Ilkka Mäkitalo - musician, teacher, CEO, Co-Founder of Howspace and Conductor of Jyvaskyla Big Band.
We chat about instruments, jazz and how to inspire young talents to compose for a big band. And we talk about organisational memory, organisational learning, organisational dynamics and how to change the world with a digital platform for facilitating dialogue in different contexts, supported by AI.
And we are talk...
2021-07-2756 minThe Power of Music ThinkingMusic and the Brain with Artur JaschkeDid you know that music can help you to rewire your brain? This episode is about the working of music on the brain and behaviour. My guest today is Artur Jaschke - neuromusicologist and professor for music-based therapies and interventions at the ArtEZ University of the Arts in Enschede and he also works at the neonatal intensive care at a hospital in Groningen, the Netherlands.
We talk about how you can use music and sound for the advantage of healthcare, wellbeing and brain stimulation. We elaborate on themes like empathy and listening to unknown music or music...
2021-07-1250 minThe Power of Music ThinkingDeep listening with Sharon StewartThis episode is about listening - deep listening. My guest today is Sharon Stewart - creator of sound works, musician, poet, researcher, piano teacher and deep listener.
We learn about the Center for Deep Listening at Rensselaer and the retreats that were held by composer Pauline Oliveros and the many ways to listen, for example like listening in dreams, embodied listening and that deep listening is about doing, writing, practising and experiencing.
We talk about text scores, guiding principles, and using this in a non-musical context. We also chat about the listening presence of leadership an...
2021-06-2953 minThe Power of Music ThinkingInnovation patterns and improvisation in organisations with Wolfgang StarkThis episode is about Innovation patterns and improvisation in organisations. Today, my guest is Prof. Dr. Wolfgang Stark - teacher and researcher specialised in organisational and community psychology and visiting fellow at the Vrije Universiteit in Amsterdam.
With natural sounds, like birds and wind in the background, we talk about how to co-create the sound of a company based on the processes of the organisation and how a jazz band can bring organisational scores to life. We also talk about the reactable an electronic table that can be played by non-musicians like an instrument to learn co-creation.
2021-06-1556 minThe Power of Music ThinkingNifemi Aluko, Music as a Catalyst for ChangeWe talk with Nifemi Aluko - Founder and CEO of kpakpakpa and author of the book Press Play, Music as a catalyst for change.
Nifemi is a traveller between California and Nigeria and - as he calls - a Youtube inspired bedroom producer. We talk about his journey from a chemical engineer to an advisor for companies that want to enter the African market.
We learn about the size and the diversity of Africa, the high energy of woman entrepreneurship and the many languages, dialects, and communication between people across the continent.
And w...
2021-06-0157 min
Bringing Design Closer with Gerry ScullionChristof Zürn 'The Power of Music Thinking'Workshops & Course tickets now on sale for 'Doing Design Festival V2' - June 18 2021
Today on the show we have Christof Zürn founder of Creative Companion and MusicThinking.com.
We chat the interrelationship between Design and Music and what Design can learn from thinking like a musician. As an 'ex' musician and songwriter myself, I see the world of Design very much within the same family as music.
We drill a little deeper into Christofs Music Thinking framework and learn more about the value it can bring to teams and organisations.
...
2021-05-2135 min
This is HCD – Human-Centered Design, UX & Service Design Thinking PodcastChristof Zürn 'The Power of Music Thinking'If you like our content, be sure to sign up to our weekly The Design Compass Newsletter. Design Smarter. Lead Better.Interested in training for your organisation with This is HCD? Let's speak by booking a 15-minute call.We chat the interrelationship between Design and Music and what Design can learn from thinking like a musician. As an 'ex' musician and songwriter myself, I see the world of Design very much within the same family as music.We drill a little deeper into Christofs Music Thinking framework and learn more about t...
2021-05-2135 min
Bringing Design CloserChristof Zürn 'The Power of Music Thinking'Workshops & Course tickets now on sale for 'Doing Design Festival V2' - June 18 2021
Today on the show we have Christof Zürn founder of Creative Companion and MusicThinking.com.
We chat the interrelationship between Design and Music and what Design can learn from thinking like a musician. As an 'ex' musician and songwriter myself, I see the world of Design very much within the same family as music.
We drill a little deeper into Christofs Music Thinking framework and learn more about the value it can bring to teams and organisations.
...
2021-05-2134 minThe Power of Music ThinkingSteve Keller, Blend sound science with sound art to make sound decisionsToday in the programme we have Steve Keller from Oakland California and we learn more about sound art, sound science and sound business.
Steve has a great title: Audio alchemist and Sonic Strategy Director, Studio Resonate at SXM Media. We talk about audio-only and audio first strategies in what he calls ‘the platinum age of audio’, how COVID has changed our listening habits, the rise of clubhouse and how leaders can foster the ability to listen inside their companies. We have a conversation about the relationship between visual and sonic identities and what brands with a conscience can...
2021-05-181h 03The Power of Music ThinkingMichael Hendrix and Panos Panay, A mindset for entrepreneurship, leadership and designToday on the show we are in Boston and in Cyprus, we talk with Michael Hendrix, Partner and Global Design Director at IDEO and with Panos Panay, Vice President for Strategy & Innovation at Berklee College of Music. Michael and Panos talk about their experience as entrepreneurs, leaders, and executives and the interviews they did with musicians like Björk, Justin Timberlake and many others.
We speak about the creative mindset that designers and musicians share, the importance of emotional diligence and what David Bowie and Nokia have in common. We speak about what leadership can learn from mu...
2021-05-1855 minThe Power of Music ThinkingRoy Scheerder, Blockchain Philosophy and Collaborative Transformation for ChangeThe Power of Music Thinking is brought to you by CREATIVE COMPANION
Today on the show we have Roy Scheerder - co-founder of the dutch cooperative Faebric. In this episode we speak about Roy’s journey from hospitality to the lean and mean asset machine of the airline business and how to start as an entrepreneur with a cooperative.
We talk about the blockchain philosophy, the concept of tokens and starting a cooperative with a joint goal and purpose.
And we learn more about collaborative transformation, how to start a strategic change project and t...
2021-05-1857 minThe Power of Music ThinkingChristof Zürn, Who, what and why this PodcastIn this very first episode of the brand new podcast The Power of Music Thinking, your host Christof Zürn will tell you about the background of this podcast. Who he is, why he started a podcast and what you can expect every two weeks.
Christof is a seasoned professional in accompanying individuals, teams and organisations to make the step from iteration to innovation and transformation. To find patterns and analogies between business and music is his passion and his mission is to combine these to meaningful collaboration in whatever field you are operating.
More f...
2021-05-1808 minThe Power of Music ThinkingTrailer - The Power of Music Thinking PodcastThe Power of Music Thinking with Christof Zürn takes you inside the minds of some of the world’s most exciting people AND Musicians. Professionals that in some or another way use music, musical principles, instruments and techniques to work meaningful together. Or in short, the podcast for People with a musical heart and a wicked job.
2021-05-0602 min
Study TalxEpisode 24 - [JvT] Stufenmodelle - Eindrücke, Gedanken, KritikEin Gespräch über Ideen, Ersteindrücken und Gedanken zu Stufenmodellen in der Entwicklungspsychologie
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Lohaus, Arnold / Vierhaus, Marc / Maass, Asja (2010): Entwicklungspsychologie des Kindes- und Jugendalters fur Bachelor
Bourne, Lyle Eugene / Ekstrand, Bruce R. / Niedernhuber, Susanne (1992): Einführung in die Psychologie
Knospe, Yvonne: „Entwicklung in Kindheit, Jugend und jungem Erwachsenenalter“: Entwicklungspsychologie [PowerPoint] > https://ilias.fh-dresden.eu/ilias.php?ref_id=52434&cmd=view&cmdClass=ilrepositorygui&cmdNode=f2&baseClass=ilrepositoryguihttps://think-twice.studio/episode/19-music_thinking_christof_zuern/https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uetxqmMJtLw
2021-03-2046 min
Your World of CreativityChristof Zürn, Design with Music ThinkingChristof Zürn, Creative Companion, Music ThinkingAs ‘Creative Companion’ Christof is accompanying individuals, teams, and organizations to make the step from iteration to innovation to transformation. He does this with decades of experience in branding, digitalization, service design, design thinking and developed a fresh methodology he calls "Music Thinking."He is a seasoned professional in multiple roles like Creative Director, Chief Design Officer, Service Designer, Management Consultant, (digital) Facilitator, or Musician. Christof has developed tools, training, and workshops to inspire people to think from different perspectives at the same time with the goal to under...
2021-02-1627 min