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Heart of the EnneagramHeart of the EnneagramFathoms Feature: Being More than Your Type with Sandra C. SmithListen to Christopher Copeland on Fathoms In this episode, we talk to Sandra C. Smith, an Enneagram teacher, about her new book, The Enneagram Map to Your Deeper Self: Living Beyond Your Type. [2:44] Getting to know Sandra through summer-themed questions [8:26] Sandra’s personal journey with the Enneagram [12:19] Sandra’s teachers, their influences on her and how they show up in her book [17:16] Defining type and why is understanding that you’re more than and not just your type is important for your growth [25:37] How Sandra’s strengths show up...2025-01-1657 minHeart of the EnneagramHeart of the EnneagramThe Enneagram & Leadership - S6 E6Sandra and Chris reflect on the wisdom gleaned from leaders in Season 6 and offer an overview of the gifts and sensibilities of each Enneagram type as it relates to leadership. 2021-04-2038 minHeart of the EnneagramHeart of the EnneagramThe Enneagram & Leadership - S6 E5Join Sandra and Chris as they talk with Vance Brown, who leads with Enneagram type Three.  Vance shares the ways in which his type shows up in his leadership role as a high-tech CEO. 2021-04-1341 minHeart of the EnneagramHeart of the EnneagramThe Enneagram & Leadership - S6 E4Learn about the gifts and challenges of a type Eight leader as Chris and Sandra talk with non-profit co-director and NC Senator Julie Mayfield. 2021-04-0641 minHeart of the EnneagramHeart of the EnneagramThe Enneagram & Leadership - S6 E3Listen as Chris and Sandra talk with Bill Toth who leads with Enneagram type Six. Bill shares how his Enneagram type has influenced the ways in which he leads in his diverse professional background in global security. 2021-03-3045 minHeart of the EnneagramHeart of the EnneagramThe Enneagram & Leadership - S6 E2 How do a type One and type Three co-lead a team?  Find out as Chris and Sandra talk with Elizabeth Sawin & Drew Jones, Co-founders of Climate Interactive. Beth and Drew share the insights they have gleaned from years of co-leading and how their leadership styles relate to their Enneagram Types.  2021-03-2345 minHeart of the EnneagramHeart of the EnneagramThe Enneagram & Leadership - S6 E1Micky ScottBey Jones, a womanist, faith-rooted contemplative activist, movement chaplain, nonviolence practitioner, and justice doula, shares how her leadership is informed and impacted by her Enneagram Type 1. 2021-03-1643 minHeart of the EnneagramHeart of the EnneagramElder Wisdom Season Finale - S5 E7Sandra and Chris reflect on the wisdom gleaned from elders in Season 5 and ask each other what they would say to their 25 year old self. 2020-09-2228 minHeart of the EnneagramHeart of the EnneagramElder Wisdom with Sandra Maitri - S5 E6Sandra Maitri shares her wisdom of eastern and western spiritualities and her journey learning the Enneagram in the 1970s from Claudio Naranjo and leading with type Two.2020-09-1541 minHeart of the EnneagramHeart of the EnneagramElder Wisdom with Jeanette Stokes - S5 E5Jeanette Stokes shares how the Enneagram has influenced her understanding of her vocational journey resourcing women in ministry. 2020-09-0834 minHeart of the EnneagramHeart of the EnneagramElder Wisdom with Sheryl Cohen - S5 E4Sheryl Cohen reflects on her experience of the Enneagram as a clinical psychologist and spiritual seeker. 2020-09-0141 minHeart of the EnneagramHeart of the EnneagramElder Wisdom with Billy Vaughn - S5 E3Chris and Sandra talk with Billy Vaughn, a retired member of the faculty at Memphis Theological Seminary, about the gift of Enneagram Type 9 and how he has worked with it over his life. 2020-08-2537 minHeart of the EnneagramHeart of the EnneagramElder Wisdom with Barbara Brown Taylor - S5 E2Barbara Brown Taylor is the New York Times bestselling author of An Altar in the World, Learning to Walk in the Dark, and Holy Envy: Finding God in the Faith of Others. She has been an Avon lady, a cocktail waitress, a horseback riding instructor, and a hospital chaplain, but her favorite job was teaching world religions at Piedmont College for twenty years before putting the chalk down in 2017. She now divides her time between writing, speaking, and caring for the land on which she lives. Barbara and her husband Ed tend a small farm in the foothills of t...2020-08-1842 minHeart of the EnneagramHeart of the EnneagramElder Wisdom with Luther Smith - S5 E1In the first episode of our season elder wisdom, Professor Emeritus Luther E. Smith, Jr. offers reflections about spirituality, racism, justice, and leading life as an Enneagram Type 9. 2020-08-1156 minHeart of the EnneagramHeart of the EnneagramAbundance & Worthiness - S4 E7In this final episode of Season 4, Chris and Sandra reflect on a question about what it means to know that all Enneagram types are inherently worthy and have access to abundance, which allows all of us to have an Open Heart. 2019-05-1416 minHeart of the EnneagramHeart of the EnneagramEnneagram Across the Lifespan - S4 E6Sandra and Chris explore a question about how type changes over time by interviewing two guests at different life stages who both lead with type 4 - Asher Walker-Wilson and Ed Hillman. 2019-05-0738 minHeart of the EnneagramHeart of the EnneagramPractices for Growth - S4 E5Those who are learning about the Enneagram often ask, "I know my type - now what?" Sandra and Chris talk about practices for each of the Enneagram types that help engender growth by moving counter-instinctively. 2019-04-3021 minHeart of the EnneagramHeart of the EnneagramEnneagram, Race, & Culture - S4 E4Sandra and Chris explore the intersection of the Enneagram with race and culture in conversation with guest, Kevin Young, employee relations manager at the Biltmore Company in Asheville, NC. 2019-04-2336 minHeart of the EnneagramHeart of the EnneagramMisunderstanding of Types - S4 E3Chris and Sandra dispel some of the common misunderstandings of Enneagram types, in order to help deepen our knowledge of the Enneagram and shift away from stereotyping. 2019-04-1619 minHeart of the EnneagramHeart of the EnneagramLook Alike Types - S4 E2Sandra and Chris talk about the look alike types of the Enneagram to help listeners distinguish between and discern their type. 2019-04-0917 minHeart of the EnneagramHeart of the EnneagramEnneagram Myths & Questions Introduction - S4 E1Join Chris and Sandra as they respond to listeners' questions and dispel myths about the Enneagram in this new season of Heart of the Enneagram. 2019-04-0222 minHeart of the EnneagramHeart of the EnneagramConclusion of Season 3 - S3 E11Chris and Sandra reflect back on Season 3 - how their guests shared about relationships and the Enneagram - and talk about plans for the next season. Learn more about Heart of the Enneagram. Donate Now to support future episodes of this podcast. Whatever you give will be gratefully received. Purchase the Heart of the Enneagram book, a companion for deepening personal and spiritual growth.  Check out Upcoming Events led by Chris & Sandra.   2018-11-2015 minHeart of the EnneagramHeart of the EnneagramType 3 & Type 5 in Relationship - S3 E10Neil Gurney (3) and Bill Kinard (5) explore their working relationship through the lens of their Enneagram types. Both Type 3 and Type 5 are oriented to projects and accomplishments, unemotional, factual, and work well together or independently. Both also avoid feelings, can become inattentive to the relationship, and avoid or lose connection. Learn more about Heart of the Enneagram. Donate Now to support future episodes of this podcast. Whatever you give will be gratefully received. Purchase the Heart of the Enneagram book, a companion for deepening personal and spiritual growth.  Check out U...2018-11-1346 minHeart of the EnneagramHeart of the EnneagramType 6 & Type 8 in Relationship - S3 E9Brian Hollingsworth (6) and Anna Fleig (8) reflect on their friendship in light of their Enneagram types. Both Type 6 and Type 8 are courageous, loyal, protective and committed to worthy causes. They both can energetically support their relationship, and share the view that the world is fundamentally an unfriendly and untrustworthy place. With this perspective they also can be oppositional, contrary, controlling, challenging and suspicious. Learn more about Heart of the Enneagram. Donate Now to support future episodes of this podcast. Whatever you give will be gratefully received. Purchase the Heart of the Enneagram...2018-11-0646 minHeart of the EnneagramHeart of the EnneagramType 2 & Type 9 in Relationship - S3 E8Pat Bailey (2) and Dee Irwin (9) reflect on their 28 year partnership through the perspective of their Enneagram types. Both Type 2 and Type 9 have many similar tendencies and attributes that they bring to their relationships with each other. Both types are sensitive, pleasing, accommodating, helpful, focused on and responsive to others, and have a natural desire for harmony. Both also have difficulty knowing and expressing their own wants and needs, and setting limits. Learn more about Heart of the Enneagram. Donate Now to support future episodes of this podcast. Whatever you give will be gratefully...2018-10-3048 minHeart of the EnneagramHeart of the EnneagramType 2 & Type 6 in Relationship - S3 E7Longtime friends Fran Newsom and Nancy Dunn talk about the relationship dynamics between Enneagram Types 2 and 6. Both Type 2 and Type 6 bring warmth, sensitivity, an ability to accommodate and helpfulness to relationships. They can also be over-accommodating, feel put upon and pressured, and neglect their own well-being. Learn more about Heart of the Enneagram. Donate Now to support future episodes of this podcast. Whatever you give will be gratefully received. Purchase the Heart of the Enneagram book, a companion for deepening personal and spiritual growth.  Check out Upcoming Events led b...2018-10-2340 minHeart of the EnneagramHeart of the EnneagramType 3 & Type 7 in Relationship - S3 E6Beth Poslusny (3) and Tyler Miller (7) share about their relationship as colleagues who've worked together at the Biltmore Company for more than eight years. Both Type 3 and Type 7 are real look-alikes. They are both oriented to projects, optimistic, enthusiastic and are highly active. They also tend to feel a sense of freedom when pursuing separate interests and tasks. This relationship, however, can be hindered by both types’ tendencies to avoid painful feelings, negatives and difficulties, and their mutual habit of overbooking themselves. Learn more about Heart of the Enneagram. Donate Now to support future ep...2018-10-1640 minHeart of the EnneagramHeart of the EnneagramType 4 & Type 9 in Relationship - S3 E5Sisters Betsy (4) & Deb (9) Vingle talk about their relationship through the lens of their Enneagram types. Both Type 4 and Type 9 are empathetic, caring and feeling-oriented, and have a seeking quality and a deep desire for connection. They also tend to go inward, feel deficient, lose their impetus for action, and get lost in inessentials (Type 9) or in an experience of being lacking (Type 4). Learn more about Heart of the Enneagram. Donate Now to support future episodes of this podcast. Whatever you give will be gratefully received. Purchase the Heart of the Enneagram...2018-10-0938 minHeart of the EnneagramHeart of the EnneagramType 1 & Type 7 in Relationship - S3 E4Sandra and Chris explore relationship dynamics between types 1 and 7 in the workplace with Sara Ardrey-Graves and Dixon Kinser of Winston-Salem, NC. Both Type 1 and Type 7 bring idealism, self-reliance, desire for improvement, intensity and helpfulness to relationships. They also can insist on asserting their own position, act superior and appear arrogant. Learn more about Heart of the Enneagram. Donate Now to support future episodes of this podcast. Whatever you give will be gratefully received. Purchase the Heart of the Enneagram book, a companion for deepening personal and spiritual growth.  Check o...2018-10-0245 minHeart of the EnneagramHeart of the EnneagramType 4 & Type 5 in Relationship - S3 E3We learn about some of the dynamics of a heart/head relationship with engaged couple Jim Brown (4) and Wade Rogers (5). Both Type 4 and Type 5 bring a richness of interests and depth of understanding, are analytical, introspective and sensitive. They both appreciate uniqueness and naturally search for deeper meanings. They also can become withdrawn and over-analytical and appear superior. Learn more about Heart of the Enneagram. Donate Now to support future episodes of this podcast. Whatever you give will be gratefully received. Purchase the Heart of the Enneagram book, a companion for...2018-09-2542 minHeart of the EnneagramHeart of the EnneagramType 1 & Type 8 in Relationship - S3 E2We hear about some of the dynamics of a relationship between a married couple who lead with Type 1 and Type 8, as we hear from Tamara Sparacino (1) and Jeff (8) in Asheville, NC. Both Type 1 and Type 8 bring intensity, self-reliance, practicality and concern for fairness, justice and truth to their relationship. Both types also can be willful, overly concerned with truth and fairness, and angry about what isn’t true or right. Learn more about Heart of the Enneagram. Donate Now to support future episodes of this podcast. Whatever you give will be gratefully received....2018-09-1843 minHeart of the EnneagramHeart of the EnneagramIntroduction to Enneagram & Relationships - S3 E1The tables are turned as Sandra and Chris are interviewed about their working relationship by guest host Jeanine Siler Jones, spiritual director and Enneagram teacher. Learn more about Heart of the Enneagram. Donate Now to support future episodes of this podcast. Whatever you give will be gratefully received. Purchase the Heart of the Enneagram book, a companion for deepening personal and spiritual growth.  Check out Upcoming Events led by Chris & Sandra. 2018-09-1137 minHeart of the EnneagramHeart of the EnneagramConclusion of Season 2 - S2 E11Join Sandra and Chris as they reflect on the first two seasons of Heart of the Enneagram and announce plans for the future. www.heartoftheenneagram.com 2018-06-1219 minHeart of the EnneagramHeart of the EnneagramType 1, Spiritual Dimensions - S2 E10Learn about the spiritual growth of Type 1 with guest, Michelle Voss Roberts, Associate Dean and Professor of Theology at Wake Forest University School of Divinity. 2018-06-0527 minHeart of the EnneagramHeart of the EnneagramType 8, Spiritual Dimensions - S2 E9Explore the spiritual growth of Type 8 with guest Amy Greene, Director of Spiritual Care for the Cleveland Clinic in Cleveland, OH. 2018-05-2928 minHeart of the EnneagramHeart of the EnneagramType 9, Spiritual Dimensions - S2 E8Learn about the spiritual growth of Type 9 with Guy Sayles, professor of religion at Mars Hill University and retired pastor, from Asheville, NC. 2018-05-2230 minHeart of the EnneagramHeart of the EnneagramType 7, Spiritual Dimensions - S2 E7Learn about the spiritual growth of Type 7 with Molly Bolton, Medical Intensive Care Unit chaplain at a large hospital in Cleveland, OH. 2018-05-1531 minHeart of the EnneagramHeart of the EnneagramType 5, Spiritual Dimensions - S2 E6Learn more about the spiritual growth of Enneagram Type 5 with Lawrence Womack, rector of St. Augustine's Episcopal Church in Brooklyn, NY. www.heartoftheenneagram.com 2018-05-0828 minHeart of the EnneagramHeart of the EnneagramType 6, Spiritual Dimensions - S2 E5Listen in with Debbi Horton, a certified Narrative Enneagram teacher from St. Paul, MN, as we explore the spiritual dimensions of Type 6. www.heartoftheenneagram.com 2018-05-0124 minHeart of the EnneagramHeart of the EnneagramType 4, Spiritual Dimensions - S2 E4Learn about the spiritual dimensions of Enneagram Type 4 with guest John Amen, poet in Charlotte, North Carolina. www.heartoftheenneagram.com 2018-04-2431 minHeart of the EnneagramHeart of the EnneagramType 2, Spiritual Dimensions - S2 E3Learn about the spiritual dimensions of Enneagram Type 2 with guest, Mary Beth Gwyn, a soul awareness guide in Asheville, NC. www.heartoftheenneagram.com 2018-04-1730 minHeart of the EnneagramHeart of the EnneagramType 3, Spiritual Dimensions - S2 E2The spiritual dimensions of Enneagram Type 3 with guest, Gerry Fathauer, an Enneagram teacher and aura intuitive in Cleveland, OH. www.heartoftheenneagram.com 2018-04-1027 minHeart of the EnneagramHeart of the EnneagramIntroduction to Enneagram & Spirituality - S2 E1Join Chris and Sandra as they discuss the Enneagram as a tool for spiriutal growth and development. www.heartoftheenneagram.com 2018-04-0324 minHeart of the EnneagramHeart of the EnneagramType 1, Habits and Patterns - S1 E11Enneagram Type 1 with guest Joyce Hollyday, author in Asheville, North Carolina. 2018-03-0331 minHeart of the EnneagramHeart of the EnneagramType 8, Habits and Patterns - S1 E10Enneagram Type 8 with guest Brian Ammons, Director of Spiritual Life at Warren Wilson College in Swananoa, North Carolina. 2018-03-0339 minHeart of the EnneagramHeart of the EnneagramType 9, Habits and Patterns - S1 E9Enneagram Type 9 with guest Joy McIver, attorney in Asheville, North Carolina. 2018-03-0330 minHeart of the EnneagramHeart of the EnneagramType 7, Habits and Patterns - S1 E8Enneagram Type 7 with guest Vicki Banks, Vice President of Human Resources, the Biltmore Company, Asheville, North Carolina. 2018-03-0330 minHeart of the EnneagramHeart of the EnneagramType 5, Habits and Patterns - S1 E7Enneagram Type 5 with guest Brian Hayes, master of counseling student at UNCG, Greensboro, North Carolina. 2018-03-0332 minHeart of the EnneagramHeart of the EnneagramType 6, Habits and Patterns - S1 E6Enneagram Type 6 with guest Mirais Holden, attorney in New Orleans, Louisiana. 2018-03-0331 minHeart of the EnneagramHeart of the EnneagramType 4, Habits and Patterns - S1 E5Enneagram Type 4 with guest Jean Sexton, editorial manager at the Biltmore Companies, Asheville, North Carolina. 2018-03-0330 minHeart of the EnneagramHeart of the EnneagramType 2, Habits and Patterns - S1 E4Enneagram Type 2 with guest Anna Kirby, licensed clinical social worker at Duke University Health System in Durham, North Carolina. 2018-03-0331 minHeart of the EnneagramHeart of the EnneagramType 3, Habits and Patterns - S1 E3Enneagram Type 3 with guest Drew Jones, executive director of Climate Interactive. 2018-03-0329 minHeart of the EnneagramHeart of the EnneagramThree Centers of Intelligence - S1 E2Explore the three centers of intelligence of the Enneagram: heart, head, and body. 2018-03-0322 minHeart of the EnneagramHeart of the EnneagramIntroduction to Enneagram - S1 E1Welcome to Heart of the Enneagram! The first episode of a new podcast taking a deeper dive into the Enneagram. 2018-03-0321 min