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Trust the Process Podcast5 Books That CHANGED My Recovery!THANK YOU for listening to the show!As promised, copy and paste this link into your browser for 3 Exercises I take my 1-1 coaching clients through: https://drive.google.com/file/d/1OqEclwNWOlLgWlrnXXhu850zTsRopb4B/view?usp=sharingIn this episode I wanted to give you some tangibles. What can you DO while you are going through your injury recovery? Because it can get pretty dang lonely and tough when you can't play, amiright?One of the ways I passed the time was by doing a lot...
2026-02-1012 minTrust the Process PodcastYou Won't BELIEVE the Things that Are Holding Back Your Playing with Dr Nancy TaylorCould the pain you're feeling while performing have NOTHING to do with your technique?Dr Nancy Taylor, UTEP Trumpet Professor AND Occupational Therapist shares simple ways we live our life...That are actually hurting your playing! AND, how to fix them! Dr Taylor is a legend in the trumpet world, and I am SO excited for you to hear our conversation! Keep on keepin' on! Follow Dr Taylor on IG here: https://www.instagram.com/nancytaylortrumpet/Here is the research article I mentioned about Alexander...
2026-02-071h 07Trust the Process PodcastTHIS is What High Performers Do to Stay Healthy in 2026Use the coupon code "HighPerformance" at checkout with the link below to get 60% OFF the Roots of Recovery Masterclass Package! https://roots.musicianunchained.com/offer This week's episode is all about developing the RIGHT kind of habits. These are the habits that the worlds TOP performers use to be on top of their game AND stay healthy while doing it. This is the FIRST Research and Development episode of Season 4, and I am sharing a HUGE breakthrough I had from a...
2026-01-2717 minTrust the Process PodcastThe Freelance Musician Dilemma Explained (and its SOLUTION!) with Tenor Joshua Owen MillsAPOLOGIES to my audio podcast friends! for some reason, last week's episode did not publish on the audio platforms!Social media can really bring people together! Today I share my conversation with Welsh tenor Joshua Owen Mills, whom I met through Instagram! He shares his experience as a freelance opera singer, and how a devastating illness taught him one thing: financial preparednessFreelancers often do not get the benefit of insurance, or of sick leave. What you make is what you get, and if you...
2026-01-261h 07Trust the Process PodcastTuning the Mind: BYU School of Music Injury Panel DiscussionI love getting to highlight peoples' stories on the podcast But I love sharing lessons learned from them even more!Recently I facilitated a panel discussion on injury prevention at my alma mater, BYUWe talked about injury prevention techniques We talked about how WORLD CLASS ATHLETES and collegiate musicians have more in common than you think And how gratitude may just change the trajectory of your life as a musician Keep on keepin' on!
2026-01-131h 05Trust the Process PodcastSPOILER: Athletes and Musicians are the SAME - with Carrie Jackson, CMPCWHAAATTT???No way - athletes and musicians are NOT the same!Ok they are very, very similar.At least in how they experience injury psychologicallyThis interview is one that I have wanted to do for a year and a halfCarrie Jackson has been working with injured athletes as a Certified Mental Performance Consultant for twenty yearsShe is one of THE experts on how to help athletes optimize their recovery through mental skills...
2026-01-0645 minTrust the Process PodcastYou NEED a HERO!"I’m holding on for a hero ‘til the end of the night..."Just kidding (Go check out Holding Out for a Hero by Bonnie Tyler for THAT song)Today I share a framework that has been absolutely instrumental (no pun intended) in my own recovery journeyEver notice how Luke Skywalker, Harry Potter, and Bilbo Baggins all seem to have the same story arc?Something difficult happens, a mentor shows up, a journey is taken to slay the dragon, as it were...
2026-01-0611 minTrust the Process PodcastThe Best Kept Secret of Music Education with Dr Kensley BehelWelcome to Season 4 of Trust the Process!We start off with musician health researcher, clarinetist, and Emmy award winning journalist, Dr Kensley Behel.She shares how an anatomical hole in her soft palate kept her from performing clarinetHow that and other setbacks led her to the OLYMPICS, and becoming a musician health researcherMost of all, if you are a music educator or student, she shares the secret to staying healthy and achieving excellence in your craft!Keep...
2026-01-061h 06Trust the Process PodcastYOU ARE WORTH IT! - Highlights from Season 3!Send us a textJoin the mission here: https://musicianunchained.com/podcastSign up for our newsletter here: https://musicianunchained.com/newsletterWork with Clark 1-1 here: https://musicianunchained.com/lets-hang---------------------------------------Another season of Trust the Process has come and gone! I love doing these highlight reels because I get to actually listen to the episodes in depth to put them together for you!I hope you have learned much and applied even more, to your recovery journey o...
2025-03-271h 22Trust the Process PodcastYou Won’t See Practicing/Injury Recovery the Same After This…with Alison GarnerSend us a textJoin the mission here: https://musicianunchained.com/podcastSign up for our newsletter here: https://musicianunchained.com/newsletterWork with Clark 1-1 here: https://musicianunchained.com/lets-hang-------------------------------I love getting to interview people who are referred to me from previous guests!Especially ones who are trained in NLP and love teaching like I do!In this episode, Alison Garner shares her story of how her injury led her to learn about somatic awareness, essentially...
2025-03-251h 18Trust the Process PodcastYou Have Been Given a Gift!Send us a textJoin the mission here: https://musicianunchained.com/podcastSign up for our newsletter here: https://musicianunchained.com/newsletterWork with Clark 1-1 here: https://musicianunchained.com/lets-hang------------------------Today's message is simple.Imagine if someone gave you a random seed, and you didn't know what it would turn into? What would happen if you planted it? What would happen if you took care of it?Your injury is that seed. You have the choice to plant it or...
2025-03-2018 minTrust the Process PodcastThe Message Every Music Educator Needs to Hear with Dr Jordi AlbertSend us a textJoin the mission here: https://musicianunchained.com/podcastSign up for our newsletter here: https://musicianunchained.com/newsletterWork with Clark 1-1 here: https://musicianunchained.com/lets-ha...------------------This show has primarily addressed the difficulties that injured musicians deal withThat was my goal from the startDr Jordi Albert helped me realize that there is another group of individuals who also deal with a lot - those who help injured musicians rehabilitateThe fact is, there are not...
2025-03-181h 47Trust the Process PodcastYou Need ______ to Get the Most From Your InjurySend us a textJoin the mission here: https://musicianunchained.com/podcastSign up for our newsletter here: https://musicianunchained.com/newsletterWork with Clark 1-1 here: https://musicianunchained.com/lets-ha...-----------------------------------------This episode is dedicated to my incredible cousin, Ivy Foley (2011-2025) and her amazing family. Foleys Strong!For most of my life, I thought getting through things meant becoming mentally tough - just gritting my teeth and pushing through the pain and discomfort. Joy and fulfillment were completely out of the e...
2025-03-1318 minTrust the Process PodcastThe Type of Injury NO ONE Talks Enough About with Dr Tracy QianSend us a textJoin the mission here: https://musicianunchained.com/podcastSign up for our newsletter here: https://musicianunchained.com/newsletterWork with Clark 1-1 here: https://musicianunchained.com/lets-ha...-----------------------Burnout. We always talk about it, but only give lip service on what truly causes it. Until I talked to today's guest, Dr Tracy Qian, I never considered that it could be classified as a "psychological injury," as in, you need to allow yourself to recover from it just like a...
2025-03-111h 10Trust the Process PodcastTHIS is Proactive Recovery!Send us a textJoin the mission here: https://musicianunchained.com/podcastSign up for our newsletter here: https://musicianunchained.com/newsletterWork with Clark 1-1 here: https://musicianunchained.com/lets-ha...----------------------------Have you ever wondered what approach to injury recovery is most effective? Now, don't get me wrong - everybody needs something different when it comes to their recoveryHowever, this week's study shows how music students going through injury recovery had more success when they took an active approach.For our last Research a...
2025-03-0613 minTrust the Process PodcastHow Can I Find Fulfillment in Injury? - With Kenny Robinson of Robinson's RemediesSend us a textJoin the mission here: https://musicianunchained.com/podcastSign up for our newsletter here: https://musicianunchained.com/newsletterWork with Clark 1-1 here: https://musicianunchained.com/lets-ha...--------------------How can I turn something that has cost me so much in my life into a positive that can help others?I don't think Kenny would claim he has completely found THE answer to that question, but he definitely has an idea of what that could look like.A life long cold sore sufferer...
2025-03-041h 28Trust the Process PodcastWho Gets Injured On Purpose?Send us a textJoin the mission here: https://musicianunchained.com/podcastSign up for our newsletter here: https://musicianunchained.com/newsletterWork with Clark 1-1 here: https://musicianunchained.com/lets-ha...-----------------------------------------------Have you ever thought about that? Who goes through an injury on purpose?Especially with overuse injuries, where the injury often occurs from a misunderstanding of technique or body mapping, it can be really easy to put the blame on ourselves, or even those who originally taught us. Sometimes that blame ca...
2025-02-2716 minTrust the Process PodcastThe BEST Investment You Can Make in Your Playing - with Dr Carina JolySend us a textJoin the mission here: https://musicianunchained.com/podcastSign up for our newsletter here: https://musicianunchained.com/newsletterWork with Clark 1-1 here: https://musicianunchained.com/lets-ha...One of my favorite quotes by a guest on the show happened in this interview.But you are going to have to listen to find out what it was! Dr Carina Joly hails from Brazil, and was someone recommended to me from Dr Lesley McCallister, another wonderful pianist and researcher in this fieldWe t...
2025-02-251h 04Trust the Process PodcastTHIS Experience CHANGED My Recovery!Send us a textJoin the mission here: https://musicianunchained.com/podcastSign up for our newsletter here: https://musicianunchained.com/newsletterWork with Clark 1-1 here: https://musicianunchained.com/lets-hang-mu----------------------------------------------Why do you want to come back to performing on your instrument? Really think deeply about this. Is it because you are trying to finish a degree "on time?" Is it because you miss performing with your friends?Is it because you love performing on your instrument?For...
2025-02-2011 minTrust the Process PodcastHow DO We Balance Life and Music? With Josh KauffmanSend us a textJoin the mission here: https://musicianunchained.com/podcastSign up for our newsletter here: https://musicianunchained.com/newsletterWork with Clark 1-1 here: https://musicianunchained.com/lets-hang-mu-----------------------------------------------------------The age old question: How can I balance life and (insert instrument)? We all love our musical lives, and they bring us a lot of fulfillment. But we also want to feel like we are living a life outside of our instrument. How do we do both? While this is a question everyone mu...
2025-02-181h 13Trust the Process PodcastTHIS is Why Musicians Hide Their Injuries!Send us a textJoin the mission here: https://musicianunchained.com/podcastSign up for our newsletter here: https://musicianunchained.com/newsletterWork with Clark 1-1 here: https://musicianunchained.com/lets-hang-muJoin our FB support group here: https://www.facebook.com/share/g/EWv2LLYFGTYBtnxw/-------------------------------------------------------------------Welcome back to another Research and Development episode! This week's study is essentially a "Day in the Life of an Injured Musician." Why do musicians hide their injuries until they are completely debilitated? Why is...
2025-02-1317 minTrust the Process PodcastThis Resource is What's Missing from Your Recovery Routine - with Steve RosséSend us a textJoin the mission here: https://musicianunchained.com/podcastSign up for our newsletter here: https://musicianunchained.com/newsletterWork with Clark 1-1 here: https://musicianunchained.com/lets-hang-mu--------------------------------------------------------------------------What do musicians, athletes, and entrepreneurs have in common?They need coaching to succeed! In this episode, renowned tubist, Life Coach/NLP Master Practitioner, and my PERSONAL COACH, Steve Rossé shares with us how life coaching and neurolinguistic programming can help injured musicians put themselves in the best possible situation to succeed at th...
2025-02-111h 18Trust the Process PodcastTHIS is Proactive Recovery!Send us a textJoin the mission here: https://musicianunchained.com/podcastSign up for our newsletter here: https://musicianunchained.com/newsletterWork with Clark 1-1 here: https://musicianunchained.com/lets-ha...------------------Have you ever wondered what approach to injury recovery is most effective? Now, don't get me wrong - everybody needs something different when it comes to their recoveryHowever, this week's study shows how music students going through injury recovery had more success when they took an active approach.F...
2025-02-0613 minTrust the Process PodcastTHIS Will CHANGE the Way You View Your Injury!Send us a textJoin the mission here: https://musicianunchained.com/podcastSign up for our newsletter here: https://musicianunchained.com/newsletterWork with Clark 1-1 here: https://musicianunchained.com/lets-hang-muJoin our FB support group here: https://www.facebook.com/share/g/EWv2LLYFGTYBtnxw/-------------------------------------------------I gotta say, I went all out on this episode...Sometimes we struggle keeping the main thing the main thingSometimes we struggle to get to the root issue of what we are going through...
2025-02-0618 minTrust the Process PodcastWatch out for POTS OF GOLD! With Gabriel RadfordSend us a textJoin the mission here: https://musicianunchained.com/podcastSign up for our newsletter here: https://musicianunchained.com/newsletterWork with Clark 1-1 here: https://musicianunchained.com/lets-hang-muJoin our FB support group here: https://www.facebook.com/share/g/EWv2LLYFGTYBtnxw/--------------------------------------------------------------------------------Often with injured musicians, we can fall into the trap of finding a "pot of gold" with our recovery, that we think will completely fix everything we went through, and will make it as if we were never injured.VERY...
2025-02-031h 26Trust the Process PodcastHow Hard Can You Laugh at Your Injury?Send us a textJoin the mission here: https://musicianunchained.com/podcastSign up for our newsletter here: https://musicianunchained.com/newsletterWork with Clark 1-1 here: https://musicianunchained.com/lets-hang-muJoin our FB support group here: https://www.facebook.com/share/g/EWv2LLYFGTYBtnxw/-----------------------------------------Ever thought about that? I can’t tell you how many times that I, as an injured trumpet player, have been asked the question “Who were you kissing?” when I tell people that I tore my lip while playing...
2025-01-3013 minTrust the Process PodcastYou Will Think About Your Injury Differently After This Episode - with José JohnsonSend us a textJoin the mission here: https://musicianunchained.com/podcastSign up for our newsletter here: https://musicianunchained.com/newsletterWork with Clark 1-1 here: https://musicianunchained.com/lets-hang-muJoin our FB support group here: https://www.facebook.com/share/g/EWv2LLYFGTYBtnxw/We have talked about identity a lot on this showHow hard it is to reconcile when we go through an injuryMy fellow Amish Country neighbor, José Johnson gives us a way to view our injury and our identity
2025-01-281h 30Trust the Process PodcastBe EXCELLENT To YOURSELF! (And how to do so...)Send us a textJoin the mission here: https://musicianunchained.com/podcastSign up for our newsletter here: https://musicianunchained.com/newsletterWork with Clark 1-1 here: https://musicianunchained.com/lets-hang-muJoin our FB support group here: https://www.facebook.com/share/g/EWv2LLYFGTYBtnxw/How can we know if the goals for our recovery are realistic or not?How can we know if we are pushing ourselves too hard or too little? As a podcaster, I listen t...
2025-01-2312 minTrust the Process PodcastNo Pain? GOOD! With Dr Bronwen AckermannSend us a textSend us a text here: https://www.buzzsprout.com/twilio/text_messages/2271724/open_smsJoin the mission here: https://musicianunchained.com/podcastSign up for our newsletter here: https://musicianunchained.com/newsletterWork with Clark 1-1 here: https://musicianunchained.com/lets-hang-muJoin our FB support group here: https://www.facebook.com/share/g/EWv2LLYFGTYBtnxw/--------------------------------------------Today I get to share the genius of Dr Bronwen Ackermann with you. Dr Ackermann has been one of the many who have given m...
2025-01-211h 18Trust the Process PodcastResearch and Development: How Much Do We REALLY Know About Injury Prevention?Send us a textSend us a text here: https://www.buzzsprout.com/twilio/text_messages/2271724/open_smsJoin the mission here: https://musicianunchained.com/podcastSign up for our newsletter here: https://musicianunchained.com/newsletterWork with Clark 1-1 here: https://musicianunchained.com/lets-hang-muJoin our FB support group here: https://www.facebook.com/share/g/EWv2LLYFGTYBtnxw/------------------------------------------------If you could take a straw poll about how many musicians are aware about injury prevention on their instrument, what numbers do you think you...
2025-01-1613 minTrust the Process PodcastCALLING ALL MUSICIAN PERFECTIONISTS! With Clarinetist Jason ShaferSend us a textSend us a text here: https://www.buzzsprout.com/twilio/text_messages/2271724/open_smsJoin the mission here: https://musicianunchained.com/podcastSign up for our newsletter here: https://musicianunchained.com/newsletterWork with Clark 1-1 here: https://musicianunchained.com/lets-hang-muJoin our FB support group here: https://www.facebook.com/share/g/EWv2LLYFGTYBtnxw/Have you ever wondered if perfectionism is all bad? Have you wondered if perfectionism may contribute to injury? Have you ever wondered what the di...
2025-01-141h 14Trust the Process PodcastI never wanted to record this...Send us a textThis episode is dedicated to the memory of my beloved uncle, Major John Lovell (1983-2024). We love you Uncle Johnny Boy, until we meet again. This is the episode I never wanted to record. It is the most raw and blunt I have ever been. I didn’t even edit this the way that I usually do, because I want this to be as real as possible. I didn’t have any notes, nothing.
2025-01-0920 minTrust the Process PodcastWHO AM I?? Talking Musician Identity!Send us a textJoin the mission here: https://musicianunchained.com/podcastSign up for our newsletter here: https://musicianunchained.com/newsletterWork with Clark 1-1 here: https://musicianunchained.com/lets-hang-muJoin our FB support group here: https://www.facebook.com/share/g/EWv2LLYFGTYBtnxw/-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------In the first solo episode of Season 3 (still can hardly believe we are here), I am doing a deep dive into the big "I" word. Identity. Where does our instrument, our musicianship land in our overall identity or image of...
2025-01-0716 minTrust the Process PodcastTHIS is Why Musicians Need Friends! With Andy MartinSend us a textJoin the mission here: https://musicianunchained.com/podcastSign up for our newsletter here: Work with Clark 1-1 here: https://musicianunchained.com/lets-hang-muJoin our FB support group here: https://www.facebook.com/share/g/EWv2LLYFGTYBtnxw/-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------One of the things that I always appreciate about this show, but is less common is when I get to interview guests who are currently going through their injury journey. They have a different perspective than the others because they are in the thick of it...
2025-01-071h 09Trust the Process PodcastTHIS is the key to successful longevity as a musician - with Dr Ryan NielsenSend us a textI have had this interview on my to-do list since we started the show. And now I could NOT be more excited to share it with you!This man has been the greatest mentor of my performing career, and that is not an understatement. I hope you are ready to dig deep and get to know YOURSELF better, because that is what will happen when you watch Dr Ryan Nielsen talk about what it means to give yourself the license to be a human musician (; Imm...
2025-01-071h 16Trust the Process PodcastKeep on Trusting! Season 3 TrailerSend us a textAfter a short break we are back for Season 3 of Trust the Process!3 seasons already...dang!This season will have new exciting features, such as: -Research and Development episodes, in which I share a formal study that has been done in the field of injury for musicians-more experts in our amazing field-and more!Also new, this show is now the official podcast of Musician Unchained, the newest coaching platform for injured musicians, specifically focusing on mindset development, as well as general guidance...
2024-12-0703 minTrust the Process PodcastKeep on Keepin' On: A Reflection on Season 2Send us a textThis season flew by for me. We saw the following for the show grow exponentially.We had a wider variety of guests (comment which one was your favorite!)Injured musicians are now starting to get support through our Facebook support group.People are finding the resources they need. My heart is full. Season 3 is coming January 7th, 2025! A quick turnaround so buckle up! Watch out for some exciting announcements in the coming weeks!If you are...
2024-11-211h 05Trust the Process PodcastIf You Don't Do THIS, You Will Not Recover From Your Injury! With Cellist Janet HorvathSend us a textI love having string players on the show. Today I hit the jackpot. Janet Horvath, who held the associate principle cellist position in the Minnesota Orchestra for over 30 years joins me to share her journey through injury. She shares how that led her to start a crusade to help educate musicians about performing arts medicine. How it led her to the research that would become her book "Playing (Less) Hurt." How it led her to create powerful change within her own orchestra.
2024-11-1948 minTrust the Process PodcastDevelop THIS Mindset, and Your Injury Experience WILL Go SMOOTHER!Send us a textDo you have anything to prove, to anyone, whether in performance or in your injury recovery?If you answered yes, then this episode is for you!In the last solo episode of Season 2, I share one of the greatest lessons my mentor, Dr Ray Smith taught me about performing:It's not about me. The moment I become self-centered in my playing, instead of service-centered, that is when my brain will go into fight/flight/freeze, and performance anxiety would rear its ugly head. Ho...
2024-11-1416 minTrust the Process PodcastEvery Competitive Pianist NEEDS to Hear Dr Artina McCain's Story!Send us a textTo all the pianists out there:How many of you have spent 6-8 hours in the practice room multiple days in a row?How many of you have been preparing for auditions, concerts, competitions, and felt the weight of the results on your shoulders?How many of you have played through pain to make those performances "work?"If you nodded your head to any one of these questions (or all of them), then this episode is for YOU!Dr Artina McCain dealt with...
2024-11-1242 minTrust the Process PodcastTHIS is the STRATEGY Every Injured Musician Needs to Apply!Send us a textHow often do you think about the habits that drive every aspect of your life?Studies show that about 40-95% of human behavior is habitual.So how do you know which habits to keep and which to get rid of?This week I am sharing a strategy I have adopted from one of my personal coaches and friends. The fact is, you don't know what you don't know, and sometimes we aren't even aware of the things that we do that do not serve us.
2024-11-0712 minTrust the Process PodcastDr Lesley McAllister Teaches Us How to Combat One of the Biggest Causes of Musician Injury!Send us a textLesley McAllister Show NotesThis episode is for all musicians who struggle with or have struggled with performance anxiety…Because the evidence shows that performance anxiety leads to unhelpful tension, which can lead to injury.This episode is ALSO for all musicians who feel overworkedBecause studies show that over practicing has several implications that lead to injury. Dr. Lesley McAllister has not personally experienced an injury, but has wri...
2024-11-0552 minTrust the Process PodcastIf You Are A Workaholic Musician, LISTEN TO THIS!Send us a textOof. If there was any episode that was for me as much as it was for you, it would be this one. One of the biggest internal struggles I have had as a musician and as a human being, was overthinking what it REALLY means to work hard. Does discipline mean never taking breaks, but grinding every day, no excuses? Some modern media would lead us to believe that.Does giving yourself grace to take a break mean that you never have to be a...
2024-10-3116 minTrust the Process PodcastTHIS is WHY You Need to Take OWNERSHIP of Your Recovery! With Jaden BuenoSend us a textThis interview was one of those full circle moments for me.Jaden has been one of my closest friends over the last several years. We connected for the first time as a gig, as two young, bright eyed and bushy tailed trumpeters, breaking onto the Utah music scene. During the span of that gig, Jaden told me a story:"About a year ago I tore my lip..."I didn't even know this was possible...Jaden would be the first to tell...
2024-10-291h 07Trust the Process PodcastWhen Panning For Gold, Look for DIAMONDS!Send us a textMan, I was FIRED UP after recording this one (and editing it too!)This episode, is the crux of the show. This principle is what helped me see the potential my injury had to change my life for the better. Not just my trumpet playing. When we get injured, all we want is to get healthy again to be able to perform like we used to. That recovery is worth more than gold to us. But what if there was more...
2024-10-2413 minTrust the Process PodcastAre You a Music Educator? This One's for You! With Dr Stephen CaplanSend us a textThis one is for the music educators out there. Especially collegiate music educators. First off, thank you. Thank you for the care you put into your programs, the love you instill in your students for the music you make together. The relationship between professor and pupil has the beautiful potential of being a long lasting one. But, as renowned oboist and body map instructor Dr Stephen Caplan and I both agree...There is room for improvement.Room for improvement in ho...
2024-10-221h 11Trust the Process PodcastTHIS Habit Will NEVER Help You Recover From Your Injury!Send us a textToday I share one of the toughest lessons I have had to learn on my injury journey. How to deal with the difficult emotions that come with this type of experience. We hear "don't worry, be happy!" yet it seems impossible in the moment. On the same token, we hear "let yourself be sad for a while..." but that kind of sucks to feel!So where do we draw the line. Today we talk about the difference between grief and self-pity, or as I li...
2024-10-1712 minTrust the Process PodcastALL Musicians with Focal Dystonia NEED to Listen to This! With Trombonist David ViningSend us a textRecently we had a guest on the show who found a beautiful NEW path in life thanks to his experience with focal dystonia. Today we hear from someone whose path lead them to recover from focal dystonia.David Vining is a renowned trombonist, educator, and entrepreneur whose experience with focal dystonia has led him on an incredible journey that includes:-starting a publishing company called Mountain Peak Music, which specializes in educational resources surrounding musicians wellness...
2024-10-151h 03Trust the Process PodcastTHIS is How to use TIME to Your Advantage as an Injured Musician!Send us a textDeadlines. Our lives are full of them. And when we are recovering from injury, we try to set our own deadlines for recovery. Ever thought this? - "As long as I get healed up before __________, then I am fine" Could be a performance, audition, new semester, etc. Yet those deadlines could actually slow us down in our recovery. So how do we use time to our advantage? In this episode I show you how to use TIMEFRAMES instead of deadline...
2024-10-1010 minTrust the Process PodcastWORLD RENOWNED Operatic Baritone Overcomes Vocal Injury By Handing It Over to God - with Shea OwensSend us a textOne of the most IMPORTANT parts of injury recovery...is FAITH.Most of you know that I am a practicing member of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, which sponsors my alma mater - Brigham Young University. Because of that, I get to have some deeply profound spiritual conversations about injury with my former professors. Today I get to share one of them with you! Shea Owens, the director of Opera at BYU shares how a cold turned into a debilitating vocal injury...
2024-10-081h 09Trust the Process PodcastThe Best BEN FRANKLIN Quote for Musicians!Send us a textDr Jon Skidmore recently said on the show:“An ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure.”You’ll never guess where that quote comes from. Today is a quick episode but has the potential to be a powerful one! There are things that you can start, or stop doing that are going to aid you in preventing injury or rein jury.And although they may take time away from practicing in the moment, they will act...
2024-10-0307 minTrust the Process PodcastEVERY Music Major NEEDS to Learn THIS About Practicing Healthily! With Dr Kayla SolomonSend us a textIt’s not every day that you get a musician who is an injury prevention expert as well as a former intercollegiate athlete on your show!While Dr. Kayla Solomon has never experienced a playing injury on trumpet, she has experienced many as an athlete, and that journey among other experiences helped her explore the world of injury prevention and recovery.Join Kayla and I as we discuss topics like practicing strategies to keep you healthy, how burnout influences injury, and how to av...
2024-10-011h 09Trust the Process PodcastDON'T DO IT ALONE! Ask for HELP!Send us a textThis episode is part homage, part plea. Listen, I don't care who you are....You aren't recovering from an injury without some external support. Yet for some reason, we as musicians are afraid to speak up...we don't want to be seen as weakWe don't want to be seen as less than, or even...damaged. But there are so many people that are willing to help you thrive through your injury!(I would humbly submit my name as one of tho...
2024-09-2612 minTrust the Process PodcastExploring Beautiful New Paths with Dr. Nate BottsSend us a textSometimes, the path forward through injury means hanging it up, and following a different path.As hard as it is to fathom for most of us, that can be the best option for us.Such was the case for Dr. Nate Botts. As a fellow BYU alum and BYU trumpet legend, winner of the ITG classical and jazz trumpet competition, Nate came recommended to me for the show by several of my mentors. Wh...
2024-09-241h 16Trust the Process PodcastThe Unspoken (until now) Power of Zooming IN and Zooming OUT!Send us a textThere is one mental skill that has served me so well since my injury. One that influences my perspective and serves me in that way when done correctly. In this episode we talk about the power of zooming in when examining our processes and methods we use to achieve our goals. The power that zooming out gives us to appreciate the growth we have experienced, and live in the PRESENT more effectively.We wax metaphorical in this episode, but it is not one to miss!
2024-09-1912 minTrust the Process PodcastEVERY Musician From a Small Town NEEDS to Hear THIS! With Horn Player Emily TothSend us a textThis conversation FLEW by for me. So many parallels between our journeys through injuryEmily Toth is a Cincinnati based horn teacher and performer who knows a little something about what it is like to go through an injury…twice. This episode, perhaps more than any before it, NEEDS to get to as many music teachers as possible. We talk about why participating in small band programs can eventually lead to injury if simpl...
2024-09-171h 09Trust the Process PodcastTHIS is the Lesson EVERY Musician Needs to Take Away from Simone Biles!Send us a textFor the first time ever, I watched the Olympics this past month. I had watched bits and pieces before, in passing...But this time I sat down and invested myself into watching them. Boy, did I learn a lot from those athletes. Especially from the GOAT, Simone Biles. How she prioritized her mental and physical health in Tokyo in 2021How she came back, kicked butt, and took names in Paris 2024And how she is using her experience to help all...
2024-09-1214 minTrust the Process PodcastCould Less Be More? With Dr. Todd MeehanSend us a textEver wondered if you are doing too much? If you are spending too much time in the practice room? Ever had something happen to you that you had no control over? In this episode with our first percussionist on the show, Dr Todd Meehan shares his experience with tendonitis, as well as an injury that he had absolutely no control over. The founder of Liquidrum shares how adopting a more objective viewpoint of his progress and journey through injury helped him ultimately overcome his obstacles. ...
2024-09-1048 minTrust the Process PodcastTHIS is How You THRIVE Through Your Injury!Send us a textOne of my favorite parts of being injured is learning from everyone else who has either gone through it, or has helped someone get through it. In between seasons I got connected with a lady named Carrie Jackson, who is a mental skills coach for injured ATHLETES. Her job is to coach them through their injuries, so they can bounce back stronger. I could not have been more elated to meet this woman. Her work epitomizes what I am trying to achieve here on the show. In thi...
2024-09-0511 minTrust the Process PodcastWayne Bergeron Tells the Hard Truth of Being an Injured Freelance MusicianSend us a textYou've heard him on movies such as The Incredibles, West Side Story (2021), and countless others. You've heard him as the lead trumpet player in Gordon Goodwin's Big Phat Band. Today, trumpet legend Wayne Bergeron joins me on Trust the Process to share his story overcoming cancer, a cyst in his lip, and a dental nerve injury that took over a year to return from. Not only that, he tells all in how difficult it is to take time off for injury recovery as a freelance musician in the...
2024-09-031h 12Trust the Process PodcastIf You Feel Like Everything Is Out of Your Control, Listen to THIS!Send us a textI wanted to start this season a month and a half ago...But there were a couple of things that were out of my control. I felt like I was just sitting on my hands and couldn't do anything.Chances are, you've been there too.So what do you do in these situations?Welcome back to Trust the Process, we are kicking things off with bang, and my hope is that after listening to this episode, you will be able to see your j...
2024-09-0308 minTrust the Process PodcastYou'll Never Guess THIS Skill Every Injured Musician Needs to Heal! - with Dr. Jon SkidmoreSend us a textThis season, we are starting off a little different.Today’s guest has not gone through an injury, but he has helped musicians move past performance anxiety, overcome injury, and move towards peak performance. And you'll never guess the skill he suggests that every musician needs to develop, especially those going through injury.He is the guy they call when the student freezes onstage...When the performer struggles with a healthy mindset leading up to performance...When they need to learn how to...
2024-09-031h 18Trust the Process PodcastTrust the Process: The Sequel!Send us a textWe are back for Season 2 of Trust the Process on September 3rd, 2023! I am so grateful and excited to share more interviews and insights into musician injury and recovery! This season will see more legendary musicians who have overcome injury and even experts in performance psychology and performing arts medicine. I need your help getting this message out! Share this on all platforms!If you are a musician going through injury, a music educator trying to help one, or a musician just trying to make it...
2024-08-2602 minTrust the Process PodcastEpisode 33: Trust the Process: A Reflection on Season 1Send us a textYep, you read that right. We have come to the end of our first season of Trust the Process. I am so grateful for everyone who has been involved in our show. The team, the guests, and YOU, the listeners! It has filled my cup every time I have done an interview and heard from you about the impact it had on you. So enjoy this highlight reel of sorts for Season 1, and in the offseason, SHARE IT with any musician or educator you can think of. ...
2024-04-2054 minTrust the Process PodcastEpisode 32: "What is Your Mission?" with Michael ManleySend us a textI was shocked when Michael told me his injury story. What he went through is a literal nightmare for me. His injury and recovery story amazed me like no other, and especially how he was able to make things work after such a horrific experience. Today you are going to get a masterclass in resiliency and perseverance, as well as learn about: -what it means to k...
2024-04-1857 minTrust the Process PodcastEpisode 31: How Trust the Process Was Born!Send us a text“A podcast? No that would never work, who would listen? Plus, that would be too big of a commitment”That quote, comes from me.In May of 2023 I was sitting in a hotel room in Minneapolis, Minnesota, going through an incredibly difficult part of my recovery from a mental standpoint.I was trying to figure out how I could make something out of my injury. How could I share my story? How could I help others going through similar struggles?
2024-04-1310 minTrust the Process PodcastEpisode 30: "Turn This Into a Positive" with John CopenhaverSend us a textThis interview is probably the most personally meaningful one I have done yet.Today I interviewed one of my first trumpet teachers. Not only was he one of my first teachers, but he is also one of my first mentors. And today, I get to share him with you. Today John shares his experience with an injury that plagued him for over two decades, and how that impacted his performing career, and teaching career. We talked about the importance of rest as a musi...
2024-04-1153 minTrust the Process PodcastEpisode 29: What to do When You Miss PlayingSend us a textA few months ago I was in the audience of a concert performed by several of my friends.And as I was sitting there, enjoying the music, I also found myself getting pretty sad that I wasn’t down there with them.This was not the first time this has happened since my injury in August of 2022. So how did I get through it? In this episode, I share a mental tactic that I us...
2024-04-1010 minTrust the Process PodcastEpisode 28: "It Has to Be Health FIRST" with Dr. Noelle RaderSend us a textImagine getting into your dream school, and having your whole life ahead of you on your instrument. Then something which you originally though was not a huge deal puts a pause on your career. But then through that experience, you discover a love for teachingSuch is the story of Dr. Noelle Rader. In today’s episode, she tells us how an ulnar nerve entrapment caused her to change directions in her career, and h...
2024-04-041h 13Trust the Process PodcastEpisode 27: Touch Your Dreams!Send us a textAt the time of this episode, I am in the middle of my second break from the trumpet since my injury...this time, it is twice as long as when I first took time off the horn.Since starting this break, one principle has helped me keep my head above water, and that is the practice of touching my dreams. This is something I have learned from the great Ed Mylett, from the Ed Mylett Show. This is what helped him reach his goals as an entrepreneur...
2024-03-2912 minTrust the Process PodcastEpisode 26: "Don't Be Afraid To Learn About It" with Dr. Erika BrightSend us a textDr. Erika Bright has done her homework...literally. I got in contact with her through my aunt, who told me that accomplished oboist Dr. Bright had compiled a large bibliography on musician injury, and that I definitely should have her on the show. And I am so glad she did! Listen as Dr. Erika Bright shares with me her extended experiences with tendinitis, surgeries, and other experiences that led her down the path of injury as an oboist, and how that changed the course of her career.
2024-03-2743 minTrust the Process PodcastEpisode 25: Inaction is the Antithesis of ExcellenceSend us a textToday’s episode is a LIFE principle. How many opportunities have we missed, because we were afraid that the outcome would not be perfect?How many opportunities have we missed because we felt we did not know enough to get it done perfectly?Sometimes we just have to jump in the pool to achieve something great, and learn how to swim on the job. Today’s lesson is simple: Inaction is the antithesis of EXC...
2024-03-2512 minTrust the Process PodcastEpisode 24: "Teaching is Sacred" with Dr. Lea PearsonSend us a textImagine dealing with pain while playing for 30 years…How would you deal with something like that?Dr. Lea Pearson has dedicated her life to body mapping for flautists, as well as diving into the world of trauma aware teaching.There is so much GOLD in this interview!In her words, “teaching is sacred”…and I couldn’t agree more. ———————————————Check out Dr. Pearson’s website at: http://www.musicminuspain.comFacebookhttps://www.facebook.co...
2024-03-231h 03Trust the Process PodcastEpisode 23: The Best Mindset to Have for Musicians!Send us a textOne of the things I am most passionate about in life is developing a mindset that helps me become who I want to become. In this episode I share a well-loved principle that has been spoken of by MANY people - the 1% mindset. I share how that has helped me to focus on the details of my progression, while at the same time trusting the process (wink wink) of my overall growth. The greatest benefit to this mindset is that when we apply it, we can live...
2024-03-1514 minTrust the Process PodcastEpisode 22: "Advocate For Yourself!" with Jeff CoffinSend us a textYou know...sometimes I am amazed with the kind of people I get to talk to on this show. Today's episode is no different!In this episode, the one and only JEFF COFFIN shares with us his story of injuring his neck on a cruise ship, and how when he got home, he reached out to someone who he thought could help him get through that trial.That someone turned out to be Michael Brecker. He goes in depth about how Michael's mentorship...
2024-03-1351 minTrust the Process PodcastEpisode 21: Trust the Process of GROWTH!Send us a textThis one was personal for me.In August of 2022, I suffered my injury, which would alter the course of my life forever. A few months later, in December, the Harris Fine Arts Center, the home of the arts on Brigham Young University campus for almost 60 years was closed for good, soon to be torn down to make way for a new Arts building. In this episode I share how observing this demolition of a campus icon and the construction of the new building has taught me about my...
2024-03-0814 minTrust the Process PodcastEpisode 20: "Bell's Palsy Was the Best Thing to Happen to My Trumpet Playing” with Ron D’AngeloSend us a textIn July of 2020, audiologist and freelancing trumpeter Ron D'Angelo was playing golf with his family when later that day he felt something was off on the left side of his face. His first doctor thought he had had a stroke. Luckily it wasn't a stroke, but it did end up being Bell's Palsy. In this episode Ron shares with us the road to his recovery, and how this event actually helped him IMPROVE as a trumpet player. He shares with us the importance of the mentors, his...
2024-03-0751 minTrust the Process PodcastEpisode 19: 4 Things That ALL Musicians Need!Send us a textAt the time this episode was recorded, it has been a year and a half since my injury...and a year and a half later my chops still have not fully healed.In this time I have learned that there are a few things that have kept me going...A few things that have made this the MOST impactful experience of my life thus far. 1. Tenacity/Resiliency2. Community 3. Faith and TrustWithout these things, I do not know where I would be, or ho...
2024-03-0322 minTrust the Process PodcastEpisode 18: "Patience is Key" with Miles Franklin SmithSend us a textImagine getting your dream gig, at the beginning of your career, and then a week before the show, you get injured out of NOWHERE. Such was the case with Miles Franklin Smith, who just after he turned 19, had an accident happen involving his flugelhorn while practicing. From that time it would take him over two years to get back to where he felt like he was back on his musical feet....Yet several years later he is playing better than ever and just recently started a MASTERS...
2024-02-291h 34Trust the Process PodcastEpisode 17: Navigating Your Own COVID-19 PandemicSend us a textNo matter where in the world you were at the time, the COVID-19 Pandemic shook your world in some way, shape, or form. Lives turned upside down seemingly overnight. Especially for musicians, who depend on audiences or togetherness for the success of their careers. Yet some people STILL FLOURISHED in this time, taking up new skills, new hobbies, etc.For musicians who have undergone an injury, it can seem very similar to your life during the pandemic: one of your deepest sources of human connection is taken fr...
2024-02-2413 minTrust the Process PodcastEpisode 16: "Simply Miraculous" with Dr. Kristen BromleySend us a textSimply Miraculous. These are the words that Dr Kristen Bromley used to describe the events that occurred on January 22nd, 2016, and the events that happened after. On January 22nd, 2016 she was thrown from a horse, and due to complications getting her the aid she needed, she lost function of her left hand, with only an 18% potential return of functionality in her future.As a guitarist this should have ended her career.
2024-02-201h 23Trust the Process PodcastEpisode 15: Taking Inventory As A MusicianSend us a textWe all go through busy times in our lives. As musicians, sometimes it feels like we are just going from one gig to the next, or one lesson to the next. In these times we forget to pause and check in with ourselves to make sure we have everything we need within ourselves to succeed. Taking inventory NEEDS to be a regular habit in our lives if we want to heal, if we want to create, if we want to find fulfillment in life. In today's episode I s...
2024-02-1610 minTrust the Process PodcastEpisode 14: "Positivity is Definitely Changed With Me" with Craig KenneySend us a textSometimes an injury on your instrument is not even an injury. It is just the result of an illness that happened through no fault of our own. Such was the case with Craig KenneyDue to an unforeseen illness, one day Craig woke up with Bell’s Palsy, and was unable to play. That was until, through the power of community and social media, he was connected to Bobby Shew (yeah, that Bobby Shew from episode 1!) Tha...
2024-02-1439 minTrust the Process PodcastEpisode 13: What Does Every Musician Truly Want?Send us a textToday is really simple: What do we all want out of life? What is the actual reason why we are musicians? Why do we do anything in life?Why do we pursue anything in life?Because we believe that it will bring us fulfillment. Because we believe it will bring us happiness.Because we believe it will bring us certainty. Today I simply wanted to show you how to find these things when you can't get them through your...
2024-02-0809 minTrust the Process PodcastEpisode 12: "Every Day is a New Day" with Raul AgrazSend us a textImagine you are playing a show, and a SKATEBOARD hits your instrument while it is on your face! Such was the case with renowned Broadway trumpeter, Raul Agraz recently while playing in a Broadway pit orchestra. Sometimes injury happens due to physiology mishaps, some through overuse. Some are due to traumatic experiences with our body, like Raul. Regardless of the cause, injury requires a LOT of patience, which Raul cites as his main tool to getting through his injury recovery.Takeaways:-Trust the process and be patient during...
2024-02-0641 minTrust the Process PodcastEpisode 11: How to Make Social Media Work FOR You!!Send us a textToday I am sharing one of the strategies I have adopted in my personal life to help me stay FOCUSED on my GOALS. You have to FEED your SOUL with things that UPLIFT you, not take you down. No matter if you are going through injury or not, our mind OUTPUTS a reflection of our INPUT. How we use the tools we have can determine how mentally equipped we are to reach our DREAMS, even down to how we...
2024-02-0106 minTrust the Process PodcastEpisode 10: "You Can Recover New Dreams" with Dr Brian HarkerSend us a textThis may be the most IMPORTANT interview I have done YET. As much as we all want to keep playing our instruments and recover, the reality for some people is that it may not happen for them. Some of you may decide that your injury is the end of a BEAUTIFUL chapter of your life.That is OK. We are all on our own path! Listen with me as Dr Brian Hark...
2024-01-2939 minTrust the Process PodcastEpisode 9: How to INVEST as a Musician! (it's NOT what you think it is!)Send us a textWhen you saw the title for this episode, you may have thought that I would be giving you advice on how to navigate the stock market or private equity. Sorry, I can't help you with that. Today I am giving you tools and strategies to learn the importance of investing in your musicianship, and YOU! As you invest time into the rest of your life, your musicianship will grow EXPONENTIALLY. This is probably one of the most IMPORTANT solo episodes I will EVER make! Share it with everyone!!If y...
2024-01-2610 minTrust the Process PodcastEpisode 8: "What is My Identity if I'm Not a Horn Player?" with Frankie Lo SurdoSend us a textHow much is your IDENTITY tied to your instrument? Join me as Frankie goes deep into what he was able to do to navigate his injury recovery and how it affected his identity! Listen as Frankie and I discuss the physics and physiology of the breath for brass playing. This became a career saver for him when he had to learn it due to an overuse injury that occurred very soon after he won a job with the Western Australia Symphony Orchestra! He shares with us the research that he has done with...
2024-01-251h 07Trust the Process PodcastEpisode 7: The Secret Weapon for All Musicians!Send us a textHave you ever wondered what helps certain musicians excel, and others not? Have you ever wondered how certain musicians are able to stay calm in stressful performance situations, and others not? Have you ever noticed a musician, or regular person, who is going through injury, recovery, or another hard time, and is able to still feel fulfilled and have JOY in their life? Today's episode is brief, but to the point! If we can leverage this SECRET WEAPON to our advantage, it will help us EXCEL musically, and in ou...
2024-01-1806 minTrust the Process PodcastEpisode 6: “There is SO Much Music Outside of Piano” with Savannah JonesSend us a textImagine preparing for a major performance, and you get hit with a major injury! Savannah Jones (@sav.plays.piano) joins Trust the Process as the first non-brass musician, and first collegiate guest of the show. She not only went through one devastating injury, but then went through a RE-INJURY as well. She teaches us how to balance life and musicianship, how to have a WINNING MINDSET that helps you grow exponentially but also HEALTHILY. She also shares with us how her desire to build community and resolve practice room...
2024-01-151h 04Trust the Process PodcastEpisode 5: My Story with Injury and RecoverySend us a textToday I share my story with injury as a collegiate trumpeter, that is STILL ONGOING. I share how before my injury, I did not honor the needs of REST and RECOVERY that my body had, and paid the price, losing out on international tours, teaching opportunities, recording sessions, and many other things.BUT...I also share how my FAITH gave me the CLARITY we ALL can have during an injury, regardless of belief system. I share the lessons I have learned, and why I was motivated to start this...
2024-01-1127 minTrust the Process PodcastEpisode 4: "You're Going to Be Fine" with Brad GoodeSend us a textBrad Goode shares his personal experiences with THREE SEPARATE INJURIES on the trumpet and how he overcame them. He goes into the importance of proper technique and embouchure in preventing injuries and the role of PHYSICAL THERAPY in rehabilitation. We also talk about his experiences helping other trumpet players recover from injuries and the need for better pedagogy in brass teaching to prevent injuries. He emphasizes the importance of music in his life and how it has shaped his journey through injuries. He discusses the need for ACTION to ad...
2024-01-0855 minTrust the Process PodcastEpisode 4: "You're Going to Be Fine" with Brad GoodeBrad Goode shares his personal experiences with THREE SEPARATE INJURIES on the trumpet and how he overcame them. He goes into the importance of proper technique and embouchure in preventing injuries and the role of PHYSICAL THERAPY in rehabilitation. We also talk about his experiences helping other trumpet players recover from injuries and the need for better pedagogy in brass teaching to prevent injuries. He emphasizes the importance of music in his life and how it has shaped his journey through injuries. He discusses the need for ACTION to address and PREVENT these injuries, highlighting th...
2024-01-0855 minTrust the Process PodcastEpisode 3: Finding Your WHY!Send us a textOne thing is certain: no matter what, going through injury as a musician is HARD. One thing that will help ANY musician get through ANYTHING, is digging deep and finding out WHY you are actually a musician in the first place. In this first ever SOLO episode we aren't wasting any time in this episode, just YOU and ME getting down to the brass tacks of WHY you are doing what you do, and WHY you are continuing to be a musician through hardship. I share a thought exercise I got...
2024-01-0406 minTrust the Process PodcastEpisode 1: "The Pursuit of Perfection is a Waste of Time" with Bobby ShewSend us a textWelcome to the first ever episode of Trust the Process! In this interview Bobby Shew tells us the story of when he overplayed in a recording session with the Buddy Rich Big Band. He recounts having to take serious time off the horn in order to be able to play again. We dive deep into the reasons why young musicians get hurt, and how their teachers can help themWe talk about the importance of knowing your WHY behind playing your instrument
2024-01-011h 07Trust the Process PodcastEpisode 2: "Learn to Show Up for Yourself" with Austin PancnerSend us a textAustin Pancner shares his journey of injury recovery and how it led him to create the Functional Musician platform. He emphasizes the importance of holistic health in the recovery process and the need for musicians to balance their workload and prioritize self-care. We also discussed the benefits of investing time in other areas of life and how it can enhance musicianship. He also addresses the challenges of overcoming limiting beliefs and reframing them for a positive mindset. We also talked about the need for better resources and education on musician health and wellness...
2024-01-0143 minTrust the Process PodcastEpisode 0: Trust the Process With Us!Send us a textHere’s a sneak peek of the groundbreaking show - Trust the Process! If you are a musician going through injury, a music educator trying to help one, or a musician just trying to make it in life, then you need to listen to EVERY episode of this up and coming show! Subscribe now and let's embark on this transformative journey together!First full episode drops JANUARY 1st, 2024!!Disclaimer: The views and opin...
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Board Game TimesEpisode 16: Drew Lovell on opening Bonus Round Game CaféDrew Lovell and Courtney Hartley, husband and wife owners of Bonus Round Game Cafe (Courtesy: Bonus Round Cafe Facebook pages)
On the 16th episode of the podcast, Clark talks to Drew Lovell about opening a board game café. Drew is the co-owner of the Bonus Round Game Café along with his wife Courtney Hartley. The Café opened in 2018 and is located just south of Wrigley Field on Clark Street in Chicago’s Lakeview neighborhood.
Drew talks about the couple’s long-time plans to open a board game café and the rigorous process they went through thinking about fi...
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