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Talking Businessly60: Our biggest client yetJohn got star struck on Easter. Daniel got a new couch. We got a big new client. John is working nights and weekends on the Laracon game, and it's awesome. Daniel is working on the client app. We review OKRs.2025-04-2147 minTalking Businessly59: We lost a client for good reasonsJohn is locked in, and made a playlist so you can lock in too. We are in silly season, but we have an excellent new PM who will get us through. We lost a client, but for good reasons. We recap what we learned. John is grinding on the new game, and Daniel gives technical guidance. We try to diagnose what's wrong with tv writing. The Iranian film maker John couldn't remember is Kiarostami. Here's a funny scene from Hail Caesar. 2025-04-1459 min
Side ProjectPHP × NYC Chaos-Cast™Recorded live after PHP × NYC with Ben Holmen, John Drexler, Daniel Coulbourne, Chris Morrell, Ian Landsman, Dave Hicking, and Joe Tannenbaum.We realized, hey, we're all podcasters, let's sit down and discuss the most important issues of the day: Trader Joe's in basements, Poker, Day 2 Soup, Chess.com, something called "The Pizza Belt", and much, much more.https://mostlytechnical.com/https://podcast.thunk.dev/https://overengineered.fm/https://cheeseandweather.com/2025-04-071h 11
Over EngineeredPHP × NYC Chaos-Cast™What happens when you get a bunch of Laravel podcasters + a bunch of mics in a room? Chaos, apparently.Recorded live after PHP × NYC with Ben Holmen, John Drexler, Daniel Coulbourne, Chris Morrell, Ian Landsman, Dave Hicking, and Joe Tannenbaum.2025-04-071h 11Over EngineeredPHP × NYC Chaos-Cast™What happens when you get a bunch of Laravel podcasters + a bunch of mics in a room? Chaos, apparently.Recorded live after PHP × NYC with Ben Holmen, John Drexler, Daniel Coulbourne, Chris Morrell, Ian Landsman, Dave Hicking, and Joe Tannenbaum.2025-04-071h 11Talking Businessly57: Sunsetting PapercutsSpring is here. John was on the Over Engineered podcast to discuss running product processes on small teams. We are sunsetting Papercuts. We do a quick retro about why, and what we learned. John did a heroic refactor on the new client app. Daniel is making home improvements2025-03-3136 minTalking Businessly56: Chunks of workJohn got married. We got paid by a delinquent client. John spoke at PHP x Philly. The client management app is getting really good, which can now invoice clients. Finally, John thinks tv is maybe bad.2025-03-2433 minTalking Businessly55: Vertical SlicesYou need to build vertically, not horizontally.Also: Point Break is a good movie (Broey Deschanel's analysis). We helped a client dismiss a scammy wordpress agency. Squarespace is good. Daniel bought a suit. John is making a DJ set, and thanks Daniel for being the reason he learned to do that.2025-02-2456 minTalking Businessly53: Be a great place to work (empaneling Bossman Chris)We empanel Bossman Chris. Daniel and Chris survived Philly's Super Bowl celebration. We recap Laracon EU, and give high praise to Amsterdam. Chris counsels us on how to be a great place to work.2025-02-101h 18Talking Businessly52: Coaching clients to have more urgencyWe talk retro video games. Daniel is wiring up his whole home. John preps for his Laracon talk. We recap what we learned from an uncomfortable client moment. We finalize our OKRs. John was on Joe Tannenbaum's podcast talking about games. John talks about doing jiu jitsu against the Dutch. 2025-01-2757 minTalking Businessly51: John built the client management app 🤫John built the MVP client app! Daniel watched Survivor. We brainstorm what we want out of our 2025 OKRs. 2025-01-2042 minTalking Businessly48: Holiday partyDaniel is moving, and we have some business logistics to figure out. We want to hire a junior PM. We do a roundup of our OKR results. We also talk game of the year, John is about to release a digital game, and get into the weeds testing a board game.2024-12-091h 07Talking Businessly47: Killing HarvestJohn saw Hamilton. Daniel is moving. We are finally building the client management app that we've long resisted. We talk through the requirements and speak ill of Harvest.2024-11-1859 minTalking Businessly46: We want to buy your business (maybe)We watched good movies this weekend. We re-learn that good management is mostly about un-blocking people. John's journey into React led him back to Livewire and Alpine. John is speaking at PHP x NYC. And finally, we discuss the (probably terrible) idea of buying a small business / product. 2024-11-1151 minTalking Businessly45: The client onboarding checklistDaniel played Colossi. We make a checklist of all the things that have to happen when we bring on a new client. Thunk wants to buy a small business??2024-11-0435 minTalking Businessly44: Clarifying roles for Silly Season v2John went jet skiing at the Statue of Liberty. We love Bluesky. Tech bros keep getting one-shot by psychedelics. Business is great right now. We clarify our roles, headed into silly season. Daniel dreams up where Verbs will go in the long run.2024-10-281h 07Talking Businessly43: Getting personal about working stylesJohn used to be a choir boy. We remember being terrible at college, and wish we could have a second try. We talk working styles, and where we could do better. John brings up some important feedback from recent retros about how we work. John is writing a game in React! Daniel still insists that John start playing Deadlock. 2024-10-211h 00Talking Businessly42: Celebrating $1M in revenue!(sorry for the terrible quality. SOMEONE forgot to record. We'll let you guess who). How to write a good email. John went to the Texas State Fair. We hit $1M in revenue, and Daniel bought John a gift. We touch briefly on the Wordpress drama. Joker 2 looks awful but fun. Finally, we review OKRs.2024-10-141h 02Talking Businessly41: Un-profitable software that helps peopleDaniel survived a terrifying storm. We are building software to support Asheville. John is speaking at Laracon EU! We're in sales mode for Papercuts. We are making slow progress getting better at client communication. John watched THREE good movies.2024-10-0857 minTalking Businessly39: Aaron said to put it out no matter whatDaniel's talk is out! Go watch it. We plan out future talks and screencasts. John talks about game projects he has in the works, and pushing Verbs to new levels of complexity. We talk about the killer future feature of Verbs: analytics.2024-09-0949 minTalking Businessly37: International man of mischiefWe plan the rest of our 2024 goals / OKRs. We're making t-shirts. We're shilling Verbs. John has intrusive thoughts and a therapy moment. There's a little something for everyone in here.2024-08-121h 01Talking Businessly36: Thunk Pyramid Scheme (the super secret Laracon project)We built a game for Laracon, and it rules. Also, John released his board game Colossi! Finally, we get started on our OKRs for the second half of the year.2024-08-0544 minTalking Businessly35: The problems that Papercuts solvesJohn did a bunch of Papercuts interviews, and now has a way clearer sense of what problem we're solving. He talks about his process as a PM. And we talk through all the problems we won't solve with Papercuts. At least not yet.2024-07-1753 minTalking Businessly34: Go to papercuts.ioOur new Saas app Papercuts.io is up, and it is in Alpha testing. If it sounds useful to you, go sign up and we'll reach out shortly! We also talk about the future of where this app might go. If you work at an agency or run an agency, please reach out to john@thunk.dev. We want to talk.2024-07-0249 minTalking Businessly32: Monday morning scrutinyWe took some time off. Papercuts is good now. Verbs is still good. We had an uncomfortable moment with a client, and learned some good things from it. Then Daniel discovers we might owe the state of New York $11,000.2024-06-1754 minTalking Businessly30: Strategy brainstorm (empaneling Luke Roush)Luke Roush is the Co-CEO and Co-Founder of Sovereign's Capital. John worked for Luke for 4 years. If John ever says anything smart, there's a 40% chance he's just quoting Luke without giving him credit. Luke loves nothing more than brainstorming how to make a business tick.Apologies for the sound quality, we had a little snafu. 2024-05-2157 minTalking Businessly29: Awkward money conversationIt's beef season. We have figured out how to not have Daniel on every client, and which roles we play with each client. Then we have a fun conversation about how we spend money, how much we save for the future, and when to take money out of the company. This is a very real peak behind the curtain, and we're slightly awkward. Build in public.2024-05-061h 07Talking Businessly28: Short term profit vs. long term strategyBusiness is great. But that means Daniel doesn't have time to do strategic stuff. John is pulling back on client hours to figure out how to do outbound sales. We plan out an onsite (or is it offsite?). Finally, we review our OKRs.2024-04-2943 minTalking Businessly27: Silly Season (empaneling Steve Smallman)Steve is the founder of a well established creative agency called fifteen4. Daniel used to work there! We asked Steve about how you do planning (especially with subcontractors) when you have lumpy sales cycles, and no predictable sales process. But he ended up giving us some free consulting on branding, positioning, and strategy for the target customers we want.2024-04-2358 minTalking Businessly25: ❤️ Devs seeking new obsession ❤️We want to find a long term partner, and we want your help. Then things come completely off the rails and we stop talking about business. John rants about healthcare "markets", we discuss Kendrick vs. J. Cole beef, and recommend tv shows.2024-04-0842 minTalking Businessly23: SaaS opportunity knocks againWe have an opportunity to do something big, difficult, and pretty different from our other clients. John went on the Over Engineered podcast to talk about whether sprints and estimates matter. We review our OKRs.2024-03-1147 minTalking Businessly22: Mentees keep becoming clientsDaniel and John are out on the speaker circuit. John wants to give more developer talks. We want to mentor more programmers, because that has been an amazing source of clients. And we might convince our friend to become a Laravel dev.2024-03-0441 minTalking Businessly20: The FULL Stack DeveloperPapercuts progress. Daniel spent some time with the dutch. Getting busy and landing business. John give talks, Daniel gives talks. Retro-driven company. 2024-02-2045 minTalking Businessly17: Empanelling Allison LackerAllison is a former colleague of John's, and we're thrilled to have her on the panel of mentors. She has been a developer, product manager, and executive. She has a lot of good perspective on how developers can think more like PMs, and why that matters. We talk processes, metrics, building teams, living with legacy code, and a lot more.2023-12-131h 23Talking Businessly16: Brainstorming our first SaaS productAlso: is programming art or science? John finds reading painful. Daniel finds small to-dos painful. Why are we paying so many Quickbooks fees? The 2024 budget.2023-12-111h 09
No Plans to MergeThis is an Ad for John's Board GameJohn's Board game has 6 days remaining on Kickstarter! I absolutely insist that you buy it.Colossi on KickstarterJohn's TwitterCatacombian Games2023-11-3001 minTalking Businessly13: Launching Verbs at Laracon AUDaniel is jetlagged after returning from Sydney, where he launched Verbs at Laracon AU.We talk about the launch, talk about John's Kickstarter for Colossi, and do a quick catchup on our OKRs.2023-11-2353 minTalking Businessly12: Colossi + Verbs (it's shill day)You can buy John's game on Kickstarter right now! Daniel's new event sourcing package Verbs is nearly complete, and John loves it. Join us as we spend 40 minutes gassing each other up.2023-11-0739 minTalking Businessly10: Daniel is Going to Laracon AU!John is tanking a lot of bureaucracyDaniel is writing a LOT of codeDaniel is going to Laracon AustraliaWe discuss https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WgV6M1LyfNY2023-10-1652 minTalking Businessly5: Empanelling Aaron FrancisAaron Francis (@aarondfrancis) officially joins Thunk's panel of mentors! Aaron gives John feedback on his blogs, and provides LOADS of good ideas for how to improve it and grow the audience. 2023-09-151h 00Talking Businessly3: The Sales Funnel is WorkingJohn's game Colossi is almost readyThe sales funnel is workingMax is having a hard oneWe've made progress on our goalsThis is not the episode about hiring a mentor2023-08-3042 minTalking Businessly2: Vision, Mission, ValuesWe have glowing feedback for each otherDaniel's blog feedback made the blog a lot betterGetting creative with business development tacticsWe discuss the company's Vision, Mission, and Values2023-08-221h 07Talking Businessly1: The FG ScaleDaniel has feedback on John's blog posts. Why do feedback? Why is it so painful? The "FG Scale" Does Jacob feel empowered to give us feedback? Should we keep our docs in Slab? Why set goals? What are OKRs? In the back half of the episode, we get super detailed deciding what our goals are for the rest of 2024. 2023-08-181h 15
Fits + Starts30: Meritocracy ++We like Notion (sort of), Daniel hates Basecamp, and John is prototyping board games. Then Daniel lays out his unified field theory of software engineering and pounds the table for collective bargaining.2018-07-2500 min
??pod29: Ominous death clockIn our season finale, we talk about time and attention. Daniel takes John to task about whether or not time exists. We'll be back with Season 4 soon!
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The Witness (one of John's favorite video games)2018-02-1437 minFits + Starts29: Ominous death clockIn our season finale, we talk about time and attention. Daniel takes John to task about whether or not time exists. And then we talk about ego. We'll be back with Season 4 soon!2018-02-1400 minFits + Starts28: Heroic feats of workaholism (with Stephen Hackett)Relay.fm co-founder Stephen Hackett stops in to talk about the perils of finding personal identity in your work, whether or not it's important to "love" what you do, and the weird experience of having an emotional relationship with a corporation.2018-01-2400 min??pod27: Discipline December pt. 2 (with Caleb Porzio)This week we recap Discipline December. We talk discipline as a tool, the downside of letting fear motivate your work, and using experiments to diagnose your problems. Then John loses his mind over how much he loves “Holy Hour”.
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Episode with Michael Johnson2018-01-0349 min??pod27: Discipline December pt. 2 (with Caleb Porzio)This week we recap Discipline December. We talk discipline as a tool, the downside of letting fear motivate your work, and using experiments to diagnose your problems. Then John loses his mind over how much he loves “Holy Hour”.
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Episode with Michael Johnson2018-01-0349 minFits + Starts27: Discipline December pt. 2 (with Caleb Porzio)This week we recap Discipline December. We talk discipline as a tool, the downside of letting fear motivate your work, and using experiments to diagnose your problems. Then John loses his mind over how much he loves “Holy Hour”.2018-01-0300 min??pod26: Ego depletionWe return to form with this old school episode with no guest. John is having a hard time getting things done, and Daniel has ideas for how to help. We discuss working from home, making good check lists, slowing your roll, and taking notes.
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Tighten2017-12-2031 min??pod26: Ego depletionWe return to form with this old school episode with no guest. John is having a hard time getting things done, and Daniel has ideas for how to help. We discuss working from home, making good check lists, slowing your roll, and taking notes.
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Tighten2017-12-2031 minFits + Starts26: Ego depletionWe return to form with this old school episode with no guest. John is having a hard time getting things done, and Daniel has ideas for how to help. We discuss working from home, making good check lists, slowing your roll, and taking notes.2017-12-2000 min??pod25: Discipline December (with Caleb Porzio)Daniel is going to be disciplined for (almost) a whole month! This is a very meta episode: protestant work ethic, work habits, budgeting, food, exercise, checklists, tidying up, and more! Follow along with our progress in the link in the show notes. If you want to join along, shoot us a tweet.
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Mint: Money Manager, Bills, Credit Score & Bud...2017-12-0645 min??pod25: Discipline December (with Caleb Porzio)Daniel is going to be disciplined for (almost) a whole month! This is a very meta episode: protestant work ethic, work habits, budgeting, food, exercise, checklists, tidying up, and more! Follow along with our progress in the link in the show notes. If you want to join along, shoot us a tweet.
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Mint: Money Manager, Bills, C...2017-12-0645 minFits + Starts25: Discipline December (with Caleb Porzio)Daniel is going to be disciplined for (almost) a whole month! This is a very meta episode: protestant work ethic, work habits, budgeting, food, exercise, checklists, tidying up, and more! Follow along with our progress in the link in the show notes. If you want to join along, shoot us a tweet.
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MailChimp Content Style Guide2017-10-2549 min??pod22: I call it poetry, you call it content (with Aaron Belz)John's cousin Aaron Belz drops by to talk about how businesses use language, the difference between students and young employees, how social media can shape the way people make creative stuff online, baseball, and more!
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MailChimp Content Style Guide2017-10-2549 minFits + Starts22: I call it poetry, you call it content (with Aaron Belz)John's cousin Aaron Belz drops by to talk about how businesses use language, the difference between students and young employees, how social media can shape the way people make creative stuff online, baseball, and more!
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...2017-10-1150 min??pod21: Thinking in public (with Mike Rugnetta)Mike Rugnetta drops some knowledge about how to improve internet discourse, maintaining a productive comment section, focusing on the right stuff, why people join internet communities, and what it means for something to "end" on the internet. Lastly, we get into a discussion of video games that feel like work, and why we love them.
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...2017-10-1150 min??pod20: Talking about the show on the showWe're about to take a short break! This episode is about where the show has been and where it is going. John sings the praises of incrementalism. Our list of dream guests is getting long.
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Fits and Starts: @fits_and_startsSpecial Guest: Anil Dash.Links:Anil Dash (@anildash) | TwitterFog Creek Software: Team Collaboration and Development ToolsFogBugz - Work Tracking and Collaboration for Software TeamsTrelloStack OverflowWelcome to Glitch! Independent Writer, Speaker, and Broadcaster - Merlin MannKara Mask on BehanceOpen-source software - WikipediaMedium – Read, write an...2017-06-2159 min??pod17: Make the Internet Better (with Anil Dash)Anil Dash (Founder / Writer / Speaker / Blogger / Preeminent force on the Internet) argues for a new definition of "open" on the web. We ask for advice on how to be more inclusive as a non-manager. Daniel has some big ideas about infrastructure.
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Fits and Starts: @fits_and_startsSpecial Guest: Anil Dash.Links:Anil Dash (@anildash) | TwitterFog Creek Software: Team Collaboration and Development ToolsFogBugz - Work Tracking and Collaboration for Software TeamsTrelloStack OverflowWelcome to Glitch! Independent Writer, Speaker, and Broadcaster - Merlin MannKara Mask on BehanceOpen-source software - WikipediaMedium – Read, write and share st...2017-06-2159 minFits + Starts17: Make the Internet Better (with Anil Dash)Anil Dash (Founder / Writer / Speaker / Blogger / Preeminent force on the Internet) argues for a new definition of "open" on the web. We ask for advice on how to be more inclusive as a non-manager. Daniel has some big ideas about infrastructure.
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...2017-06-2159 min??pod16: Six-month-ago You (with Adam Wathan)Programmer, author, and teacher Adam Wathan stops by to talk about working in public, asking stupid questions, charting a weird career path, and dropping knowledge on your peers.
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John: @johnrudolphdrexLinks:Adam Wathan's WebsiteAdam Wathan (@adamwathan) | TwitterFull Stack RadioThe $61,392 Book Launch That Let Me Quit My JobFits and Starts: 13: Motivating an Animal (with Matt Stauffer)Tighten Co. Building KiteTailDavid Heinemeier Hansson (DHH) - WikipediaNirvana (band) - WikipediaPatrick McKenzie (@patio11) | TwitterScreenhero | Screen sharing for collaboration in teamsPaul Stanley dishes on KISS feuds and "painful" secrets...2017-06-0731 min??pod16: Six-month-ago You (with Adam Wathan)Programmer, author, and teacher Adam Wathan stops by to talk about working in public, asking stupid questions, charting a weird career path, and dropping knowledge on your peers.
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- [Tighten Co. | Product Development for Web + Mobile | Laravel + Vue.js](https://tighten.co/ "Tighten Co. | Product Development...2017-05-2400 minFits + Starts14: Obvious Questions Without Obvious Answers (with Estelle Caswell)Along with our guest Estelle Caswell, we discuss Twitter, YouTube comments, and how to handle negative feedback (especially in public). Then we talk about that magical moment when your work becomes less scary to you. Finally, we talk about Kanye West, Lil' Wayne, and Kendrick Lamar.
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- [Rapping, deconstructed: The best rhymers of all time - YouTube](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QWveXdj6...2017-05-1000 minFits + Starts13: Motivating an Animal (with Matt Stauffer)Matt enumerates the differences between venture-backed and bootstrapped businesses. We discuss the difference between “useful” and “good” traits. Matt has some advice on how to talk about your strengths without sounding like a jerk, and then John meets a Titan of Industry.
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- [a16...2017-03-2900 minFits + Starts10: Strapped to the Mast (with Zay Smallman)Along with our inaugural guest host Zay Smallman, we discuss who should and shouldn't take venture capital money, misadventures in Human Resources, and John takes Zay to task on strategy in the film industry.
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- [Patton Oswalt - Wikipedia...2017-01-2600 minFits + Starts6: Too Proud to Touch the MonolithDaniel lays siege to Nevada. John has some existential dread about Apple. We discuss how to know when a project is working, and how to measure success. John has a great scam for Black Friday.
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- [The Apple two-step: My disastrous attempt...2017-01-1100 minFits + Starts5: Closing the GapThe Greyhound bus system is a loosely held anarchy. Travel is insanity. It's hard to learn anything more from geniuses than how to hide your work. John moves back to the USA.
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- [Mr. Robot (TV series) - Wikipedia](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mr._Robot_(TV_series) "Mr. Robot (TV...2016-11-2200 minFits + Starts0: Episode ZeroWe figure out what the show is about. Daniel takes John to task on the Protestant Work Ethic. We reminisce about a DIY shelf, and we have two very different takes on how it was built.
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