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Creator AlchemyCreator Alchemy#23 - Mental Health Habits for Entrepreneurs with Psychologist Dr. Nick WignallSummary:In this conversation, psychologists Dr. Corey Wilks and Dr. Nick Wignall discuss essential mental health habits tailored for entrepreneurs. They explore strategies to manage overwhelm, anxiety, and burnout, emphasizing the importance of sleep and relaxation. The dialogue also covers building assertiveness and confidence through incremental steps, as well as the distinction between pursuing fleeting pleasures and long-term fulfillment. The conversation is rich with practical tips and insights aimed at fostering emotional well-being in the entrepreneurial journey.Takeaways:Mental health is crucial for entrepreneurs' success.Avoiding overwhelm involves simplifying tasks and closing open loops...2025-04-241h 09The Paul Taylor PodcastThe Paul Taylor PodcastExposing psychological myths and identifying strategies that really work, with Clinical Psychologist, with Dr. Nick WignallIn an enlightening conversation, I sit down with Nick Wignall, a seasoned clinical psychologist, to discuss critical aspects of emotional resilience, stress management, insomnia, and the power of values. We delve into the nuances of emotional intelligence, challenge the conventional wisdom of stress management, and offer practical strategies to enhance mental well-being. What You'll Learn: Emotional Intelligence: Overrated or Misunderstood? Nick argues that while EQ is essential, it's often glamorised and misunderstood. He emphasises the need for emotional resilience over EQ, advocating for a balanced view where emotional fitness—a combination of resilience and fitness—plays a cr...2025-03-141h 01Minds and MicsMinds and MicsThe Imperfectionist Mindset with Oliver BurkemanIn this episode of Minds & Mics, Nick chats with author Oliver Burkeman about the imperfectionist mindset and how this counterintuitive idea can help with everything from perfectionism and indecisiveness to procrastination and imposter syndrome.💌 JOIN NICK'S FREE NEWSLETTERThe Friendly Mind: https://www.thefriendlymind.com/newsletter/📙 OLIVER'S BOOKMeditations for Mortals: https://www.oliverburkeman.comEPISODE TOPICSThe Problem with Self-ImprovementFunction Follows FormWhat Is Imperfectionism?The Oliver Burkeman Thesis StatementSynthesizing the Achiever and the EnjoyerOliver's 4-Hour Workday ExperimentThe Virtues of Deliberate ConstraintThe Psychology of Indecisiveness and OverwhelmDaily-ish as the Antidote to Per...2024-10-1851 minMinds and MicsMinds and MicsHow to Reduce Anxiety by Regulating Your Nervous System with Jonny MillerJonny Miller shares his favorite exercise and techniques to lower chronic anxiety by regulating your nervous system.💌 JOIN NICK'S FREE NEWSLETTERThe Friendly Mind: https://www.thefriendlymind.com/😇 NICK'S ANXIETY COURSECreating Calm: https://nickwignall.com/creating-calm🫁 JONNY'S COURSENervous System Mastery: https://www.nsmastery.com2024-10-0644 minMinds and MicsMinds and Mics6 Expert Tips for Overcoming Social Anxiety with Emma McAdamPsychologist Nick Wignall and therapist Emma McAdam share their favorite tips for overcoming social anxiety.💌 JOIN NICK'S FREE NEWSLETTERThe Friendly Mind: https://www.thefriendlymind.com/newsletter-yt/⚒️ LINKS & RESOURCES FROM THE EPISODE→ Painfully Shy by Barbara and Gregory Markway https://www.amazon.com/Painfully-Shy-Overcome-Anxiety-Reclaim/dp/0312316232→ The Assertiveness Workbook by Randy Paterson  https://www.amazon.com/Assertiveness-Workbook-Express-Yourself-Relationships/dp/1648480276/→ Emma's Anxiety Course: https://courses.therapyinanutshell.com/anxietyskills→ Nick's Anxiety Course: https://nickwignall.com/creating-calm/2024-06-0748 minMinds and MicsMinds and MicsThe End of Trauma with Dr. George BonannoIn this episode of Minds & Mics, I chat with trauma and resilience researcher Dr. George Bonanno.Show Notes:How to think clearly about trauma and PTSDCommon misconceptions about traumaThe resilience paradoxThe problem with the PTSD diagnosisTrauma concept creepHow to develop resilience (The flexibility sequence)The end of trauma?Lisa Feldman BarretMechanisms underlying beneficial effects of exercise on mood and emotional healthLearn more about Dr. Bonanno and his work here:George Bonanno (Personal Website) →The End of Trauma (Book) →Get New Episodes FirstLearn more about the Minds & Mics podc...2024-03-1856 minMinds and MicsMinds and MicsBetter Sleep for High-Achievers with Dr. Daniel ErichsenIn this episode of Minds & Mics, I chat with Dr. Daniel Erichsen about better sleep for high-achievers.2024-03-121h 10The Retirement Wisdom PodcastThe Retirement Wisdom PodcastThe Emotionally Intelligent Retirement - Kate Schroeder & Nick WignallFeedback or suggestions for this retirement podcast?  Leave a voice message here Today’s Building Block: Wellness What does an emotionally intelligent retirement look like? In this 4th edition of the Retirement Roundtable, two of our favorite previous guests, Kate Schroeder & Nick Wignall, return to discuss the questions to ask yourself now to be well prepared for the emotional aspects of the transition to retirement. ________________________ Bios Kate Schroeder is a psychotherapist in private practice. She is a Licensed Professional Counselor, Nationally Certified Counselor, and owner of Transformation Counseling, LLC. ...2024-01-211h 00Virtuous Leaders with Dr. Johann D\'SouzaVirtuous Leaders with Dr. Johann D'Souza#12 - Dr. Nick Wignall Discusses Side Hustles for Clinical PsychologistsDr. Nick Wignall (https://nickwignall.com/) talks about building a side hustle as a clinical psychologist through his blog, podcast, email newsletter, and online courses.2024-01-0543 minThe Zack Arnold PodcastThe Zack Arnold PodcastA New Approach to Relieving Stress & Anxiety (and Improving "Emotional" Health) | with Nick WignallWant to continue learning from the world’s experts on time management, networking, career development, better sleep, overcoming burnout, and so much more?→ Click here for your customized podcast playlistNick Wignall is a board-certified clinical psychologist specializing in cognitive and behavioral psychology. Nick also writes a weekly newsletter called The Friendly Mind, which offers simple. practical advice for emotional health and wellbeing.With the endless supply of challenges this year has delivered to us, including recession, the rise of AI, and the Hollywood strikes (to name just a few), anxiety has been on the...2023-11-071h 31Therapy in a NutshellTherapy in a NutshellOur Top 3 Tips for Anxiety with Nick WignallCheck out Nick's course on How to Stop Worrying, it's $97: https://courses.therapyinanutshell.com/offers/tjFEvr7a Let's talk about anxiety- Nick Wignall, psychologist and writer, super great cognitive therapist, and friend shares his top three tips on how to decrease anxiety, and - no surprise here - it has to do with how we worry, setting boundaries on your worrying and accepting worry thoughts. I share my favorite tips on how to use the mind-body connection to decrease stress, accept your feelings and process through them. Looking for affordable online counseling? My sponsor, BetterHelp, connects you to a licensed...2023-06-241h 16Therapy in a NutshellTherapy in a NutshellOur Top 3 Tips for Anxiety with Nick WignallCheck out Nick's course on How to Stop Worrying, it's $97: https://courses.therapyinanutshell.com/offers/tjFEvr7a Let's talk about anxiety- Nick Wignall, psychologist and writer, super great cognitive therapist, and friend shares his top three tips on how to decrease anxiety, and - no surprise here - it has to do with how we worry, setting boundaries on your worrying and accepting worry thoughts. I share my favorite tips on how to use the mind-body connection to decrease stress, accept your feelings and process through them. Looking for affordable online counseling? My sponsor, BetterHelp...2023-06-241h 11Therapy in a NutshellTherapy in a Nutshell7 Anxiety Myths Most People Believe with Dr. Nick WignallSign up for Nick's newsletter here: https://nickwignall.com/newsletter-5/ Download my Quickstart Guide to Anxiety here: https://therapyinanutshell.com/ Anxiety disorders are absolutely treatable, but most people don't actually understand what is the real cause of their anxiety- they assume that anxiety is caused by genes or by childhood experiences, but the truth is, we make our own anxiety worse by accidentally believing these myths about anxiety. Today I've invited Nick Wignall on the channel to talk about 7 Anxiety myths that most people mistakenly believe. Nick is a Psychologist who specializes in anxiety disorders and I personally love his...2022-09-1918 minTherapy in a NutshellTherapy in a Nutshell7 Anxiety Myths Most People Believe with Dr. Nick WignallSign up for Nick's newsletter here: https://nickwignall.com/newsletter-5/ Download my Quickstart Guide to Anxiety here: https://therapyinanutshell.com/ Anxiety disorders are absolutely treatable, but most people don't actually understand what is the real cause of their anxiety- they assume that anxiety is caused by genes or by childhood experiences, but the truth is, we make our own anxiety worse by accidentally believing these myths about anxiety. Today I've invited Nick Wignall on the channel to talk about 7 Anxiety myths that most people mistakenly believe. Nick is a Psychologist who specializes in anxiety disorders...2022-09-1913 minMinds and MicsMinds and MicsNavigating Big Feelings Well with Liz FosslienIn this episode of Minds & Mics, I chat with Liz Fosslien about her new book, Big Feelings: How to Be Okay When Things Are Not Okay. We cover topics like perfectionism vs healthy striving, the difference between envy and jealousy, burnout and the Amazon Zen Booth, revenge bedtime procrastination, and the role of personal responsibility in mental health.Show NotesThe dark side of “coping” with difficult feelingsNo Hard Feelings: The Secret Power of Embracing Emotions at WorkJealousy vs envyBenign vs malicious envyThe role of personal responsibility in mental healthThe Amazon Zen BoothHow organizations can actually help...2022-05-0752 minMinds and MicsMinds and MicsPsychological Flexibility with Steve HayesIn this episode of Minds & Mics, I chat with Dr. Steve Hayes, the founder of Acceptance & Commitment Therapy (ACT). We talk about everything from the importance of psychological flexibility and emotional tolerance to the future of psychotherapy and what to look for in a great therapist.Show NotesPsychological flexibilityPsychological rigiditySocial anxiety and panic attacksWhere does self-judgment and negative self-talk come from?The psychological function of religion and wisdom traditionsEmotional tolerance3rd wave behavior therapy, process-based therapy, and the future of psychotherapyWhat to look for in a good therapist 2nd wave humanistic therapyLearn m...2022-05-0758 minMindful & DrivenMindful & DrivenSet INTERNAL BOUNDARIES to Handle Your Emotions Better w/ Nick WignallWelcome to episode 39 of the Mindful & Driven podcast! It's all about how to not lose sight of what really matters whilst chasing your dreams.Episode 39’s guest is Nick Wignall. He’s a clinical psychologist, writer, teacher, and podcaster. He believes what’s really important in life is emotional fitness rather than emotional intelligence. He has written hundreds of articles about this and gained over a hundred thousand followers in Medium who believe in this idea too. He uses his day job where he helps real-life patients to inform the work that is put out there for wi...2022-03-1534 minMinds and MicsMinds and MicsReclaiming Your Ambition with Michael Bungay StanierIn the latest episode of Minds & Mics, I chatted with Michael Bungay Stanier about his new book How to Begin: Start Doing Something That Matters and a range of topics, including the obligation we all have to be "doubly ambitious," why SMART goals aren't usually very smart, the case for working in 6-week cycles, and the genius of cartoonist Gary Larson.Show NotesWhat makes a book useful?The Coaching HabitBeing “doubly ambitious” How to think about overwhelm: realistic, consistent, grace Working in 6-week cyclesWhy Michael hates SMART goalsShould we follow our passion? Relaxing into commitmentPrizes and pun...2022-02-2557 minMinds and MicsMinds and MicsUsing Technology to Build Emotional Intelligence with Kai KochKai Koch is the co-founder of ahead, which is a software company and app for building emotional intelligence. We talk about the opportunities and challenges for technology in emotional health, self-awareness, emotional intelligence in organizations, and what the future of technology-assisted emotional health might look like.Show NotesThe unique benefits of mobile technology for emotional healthMaking self-awareness socialMaking personal growth socialEmotional granularityEmotional intelligence in organizationsThe future of technology for emotional healthLearn more about Kai and his work here:Ahead AppSelf-Awareness TestGet New Episodes First...2021-12-1141 minThis Hour Has 50 minutesThis Hour Has 50 minutesManaging Holiday Stress with Dr. Nick WignallCE credits are no longer availableDr. Nick Wignall and I talk about meaningful ways to experience less stress over the holidays including how to set boundaries AND uphold them. Nick shares why people have difficulties holding boundaries and shares strategies for long-term success that will carry us through the year and beyond.Dr. Nick Wignall is a clinical psychologist who previously worked as a therapist in private practice helping adults with anxiety and insomnia. Dr. Wignall is now focused on on writing and teaching about emotional health on a broader scale, through his blog...2021-12-1051 minMinds and MicsMinds and MicsBetter Sleep for New Moms with Dr. Jade WuSleep psychologist Dr. Jade Wu returns to the show to talk specifically about sleep issues for new moms, including what’s normal and what should be addressed professionally, how sleep and postpartum depression interact, intrusive thoughts and anxiety, and some practical tips for new moms to get their sleep back on track.Show NotesHow sleep changes in pregnancy and postpartumSleep deprivation vs circadian disruptionsTypes of sleep disturbances that predict postpartum depressionTips for minimizing sleep issues as a new parentHow much to nap as a new momWhat old-school pediatricians get wrong about sleep with new babiesParasomnias in...2021-11-2155 minMinds and MicsMinds and MicsRethinking Sleep Health with Dr. Jade WuJade and I chat about uncommon sleep misconceptions, how to deal with nightmares, intergenerational sleep trauma, the problem with sleep hygiene, and the message about sleep Jade wants carved on her gravestone.Show NotesUncommon sleep myths and misconceptionsMy other chat about sleep myths with Dr. Daniel ErichsenBetter Sleep with insomnia coach Martin ReedCognitive Behavioral Therapy for Insomnia (CBT-I)Conditioned arousalBed time vs rise timeHow much deep sleep do you actually need?What causes nightmares?The behavioral model of nightmares and imagery rehearsal therapy ParasomniasSleep and social justiceIntergenerational sleep traumaThe problem with sleep hygieneTired vs sleepyThe m...2021-11-0547 minEverything Is MarketingEverything Is MarketingNick Wignall — The Psychology of Marketing, Being Prolific, & Building an Audience on MediumOn the show today is Nick Wignall. Nick is a psychologist, writer, teacher, and podcaster.I wanted to bring him on because Nick is one of the top publishers on Medium and one of the more successful creators I know. Over the years through consistent writing, he now gets hundreds of thousands of visitors to his blog every month and has tens of thousands of email subscribers.You'll hear about how he built his audience from scratch, how he's able to write and produce content so prolifically day after day, and the challenges with marketing...2021-10-141h 30Minds and MicsMinds and MicsRaising Indistractable Kids with Nir EyalIn this episode of Minds & Mics, I talk with author Nir Eyal about the relationship between technology use and wellbeing among children, parenting in the age of social media, and the virtues of getting out of your kids’ way.Show NotesHere are some of the highlights from our conversation:Common misconceptions about kids and technology useWhy screen time is a pointless metricWhat’s really behind increased rates of suicide and depression among kids?The mental health benefits of technologyRoot vs proximate cause of technology overusePsychological nutrientsDeci and Ryan’s self-determination theoryThe importance of fre...2021-10-0147 minMinds and MicsMinds and MicsThe Metacognitive Way Through Overthinking with Pia CallesenIn this episode of Minds & Mics, I talk with psychologist and author Pia Callesen about overthinking and the metacognitive approach to emotional struggles like anxiety and depression.Show NotesHere are some of the highlights from our conversation:What is overthinking, exactly?Types of overthinkingThe 2 reasons why we overthinkThe difference between anxious and depressive overthinkingOverthinking as a universal mechanism for emotional sufferingScheduled overthinkingMetacognitive Therapy vs traditional Cognitive Behavioral Therapy (CBT)Metacognitive Therapy vs Acceptance and Commitment Therapy (ACT)The busy train station metaphorThe windowpane experimentThe problem with coping skillsHow will psychotherapy be different in 50...2021-08-2854 minMinds and MicsMinds and MicsReckless Parenting and Authentic Self-Care with Rosie SherryIn this episode of Minds & Mics, I talk with my friend Rosie Sherry about how she made the news for being a "reckless" parent, her distinctive approach to unschooling her kids, authenticity and vulnerability on social media, and what it means to practice self-care as a full-time community builder and mother of five.Show NotesHere are some of the highlights from our conversation:UnschoolingThe struggle to treat each child as they needHow Rosie thinks about self-careDealing with self-care guilt, especially as a momBarriers to women and mom breaking into the world of IndieHackingHow...2021-08-2850 minCreator ScienceCreator ScienceManaging Creative Overwhelm with Nick Wignall on Minds & MicsIn this episode of Minds & Mics, I talk with my friend Nick Wignall. Nick and I get into the details of creative overwhelm and burnout and how I (try to) manage it.Subscribe to Minds & MicsFollow Nick on TwitterFull transcript and show notes***WHEN YOU'RE READY📬 Creator Science Newsletter🚀 Get CreatorHQ (creator operating system)🧪 Join The Lab (private membership community)🧞‍♂️ Get a Personalized Offer***CONNECT🐦 Connect on Twitter📸 Connect on Instagram💼 Connect on LinkedI...2021-08-1949 minMinds and MicsMinds and MicsManaging Creative Overwhelm with Jay ClouseIn this episode of Minds & Mics, I talk with Jay Clouse, the creator and host of one of my favorite podcasts, Creative Elements. Jay and I get into the details of creative overwhelm and burnout and how Jay manages it.Show NotesHere are some of the highlights from our conversation:What does overwhelm actually look like for Jay?Hard works as a response to feeling overwhelmedRespect for deadlines as a core part of Jay’s identityJay’s approach to “de-scoping” his schedule and task list to combat overwhelmUnderestimating the maintenance cost of evergree...2021-08-0840 minMinds and MicsMinds and MicsExistential Time Management with Oliver BurkemanOliver Burkeman joins me to talk about the problem with the narrow concept of time management and how we mere mortals ought to think about managing our time instead.Show NotesTime management for 4-year-oldsThe narrow vs broad meaning of time managementThe importance trap and the temptation to “clear the decks”Anti-skills, negative capability, and the superpower that is emotional toleranceThe Antidote: Happiness for People Who Can’t Stand Positive ThinkingElizabeth Gilbert’s Big MagicThe relationship between expectations and controlDavid Kane’s RaptitudeWeirdly modern conceptions of timeMeditation teacher Joseph GoldsteinAre all expectations unhealthy?Zen and the Art of Mot...2021-08-0158 minMinds and MicsMinds and MicsEmotional Processing with Emma McAdamEmma McAdam is a licensed marriage and family therapist as well as the host of the popular YouTube channel, Therapy in a Nutshell. In today's episode, Emma and I talk about emotional processing and the most important ideas and skills we can learn to manage painful feelings in a healthy and productive way.Show NotesWhat is emotional processing?Why is emotional processing important?Wilderness therapyWhy is it so hard to talk about our feelings?Primary vs secondary emotionsBasic emotional processing skillsFeeling emotions in our bodiesEmotional check-insIntellectualizing emotionsAcceptance and Commitment Therapy (ACT)The importance of willingnessBig...2021-06-1343 minMinds and MicsMinds and MicsThe Science of Personality Change with Dr. Christian JarrettDr. Christian Jarrett joins me on the show to discuss the science of personality change and to what extent we can deliberately modify our own personality.Show NotesWhat is personality, exactly?The Big 5 Theory of Personality What makes a personality theory valid?How writing a book changed how Christian sees personalityWhat are the mechanisms of significant personality shifts?Personality adaptabilityNeuroticismAre certain personality traits good or bad? Healthy or pathological?The most underrated principle for effective personality changeAre we really the average of the five people we spend the most time around?The Michelangelo EffectOrder e...2021-05-2047 minBrain Goods: Mental Health MomentsBrain Goods: Mental Health MomentsResilience Training and Mindfulness in Everyday Life - Nick Wignall, Ph.D.Nick Wignall, Ph.D. is a writer and clinical psychologist at The Cognitive Behavioral Institute of Albuquerque in New Mexico. In this podcast, Dr. Wignall will speak about how to train yourself to be more resilient and mindful in everyday life.Originally recorded June 3, 2020 Presentation slides and resources can be found at https://adelbkorkorfoundation.org/webinars/2021-05-2029 minMinds and MicsMinds and MicsBetter Sleep with Insomnia Coach Martin ReedIn this episode of Minds & Mics, I talk with Martin Reed, a health coach who specializes in helping clients with insomnia and sleep issues. Show NotesHere are some of the highlights from our conversation:Martin’s own struggles with insomnia and how they led him to become an insomnia educator and coachCoaching vs therapy for insomnia and sleep issuesThe dangers of insomnia “communities”Similarities in what causes insomniaWhat makes a case of insomnia “extreme”?Sleep traumaThe one thing Martin wishes people would do for better sleep healthMisguided cultural messages around sleepThe future of sleep healt...2021-05-1650 minBetter Me DailyBetter Me Daily32: Self Care: What It Really Is And How To Do It Well By Nick WignallQuote of the Day: "Self care is giving the world the best of you, instead of what's left of you" - Katie Reed This episode's read is "Self Care: What It Really Is and How To Do It Well" by Nick Wignall It talks about the definition of actual self care, what people don't understand about it and 5 practical principles to go about it.  Nick Wignall is a clinical psychologist, writer, teacher, and podcaster link to original article: Self-Care: What It Really Is and How to Do It Well (nickwignall.com) Please share this episode, subscribe and reach out by se...2021-05-0319 minBetter Me DailyBetter Me Daily32: Self Care: What It Really Is And How To Do It Well By Nick WignallQuote of the Day: "Self care is giving the world the best of you, instead of what's left of you" - Katie Reed This episode's read is "Self Care: What It Really Is and How To Do It Well" by Nick Wignall It talks about the definition of actual self care, what people don't understand about it and 5 practical principles to go about it.  Nick Wignall is a clinical psychologist, writer, teacher, and podcaster link to original article: Self-Care: What It Really Is and How to Do It Well (nickwignall.com) Please share this episode, subscribe and reach out by se...2021-05-0319 minThe Dad TrainThe Dad TrainHow To Stop Procrastinating And Get Sh!t Done, with Nick WignallHave you ever found yourself saying “there just aren’t enough hours in the day to get everything done”?If so, you are not alone. This is one of the most common complaints shared by many busy dads. And while it’s true fatherhood brings increased responsibilities, that just means you need to be even more productive with the time you do have available. For anyone who battles with procrastination, or would like to be more productive at work, home or other areas of their life….. this is the episode for you. Nick Wignal...2021-04-2737 minMinds and MicsMinds and MicsSensitive Strivers and Imposter Syndrome with Melody WildingIn this episode of Minds and Mics, I talk with Melody Wilding, a leadership and executive coach who specializes in helping sensitive high-achievers who are tired of getting in their own way, including struggling with imposter syndrome.Show NotesHere are some of the highlights from our conversation:Sensitive striversThe big 5 personality traitsDr. Elaine Aron and the highly sensitive personIs “fake it ‘till you make it” good advice?Imposter syndromeHow can parents help their kids avoid developing imposter syndrome?How can you get better and genuinely accepting praise and compliments?How do I know...2021-04-2555 minMinds and MicsMinds and MicsThe Dangers of Fad Psychology with Jesse SingalScience journalist Jesse Singal joins me on the show to talk about the dangers of fad psychology, including myths and misconceptions about positive psychology, the self-esteem movement, deceptive media coverage of popular behavioral science research, the replication crisis in academic psychology, and more.Show NotesHere are some of the highlights from our conversation:Jonathan Haidt and moral foundations theoryMisleading statistics and external validityThe problems with self-esteem and the self-esteem movementSelf-efficacy vs Self-esteemCarol Dweck and growth mindsetEffect size in researchMartin Seligman Positive PsychologyPreventative mental healthOpportunity cost in mental healthStructural factors impacting mental...2021-04-0444 minMinds and MicsMinds and MicsDesigning Better Conversations with Fred DustDesigner and author Fred Dust joins me on the show to discuss how we can use principles from design to have better, more impactful conversations.Show NotesThe distinctiveness of podcast conversationsMission-driven vs exploration-driven conversationsThe 3 ways conversations get derailedThe usefulness of constraints in conversationAdjusting the speed of conversationsThe benefits of rehearsing hard conversationsOvercoming self-consciousness in conversationWearing jeans in the White HouseEnvironmental designBehavioral experimentsActive listening vs creative listeningIlluminationsDealing with being triggeredSelf conversationYou can learn more about Fred and his book at his website: MakingConversation.comGet New Episodes FirstLearn more...2021-03-2139 min