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The Divine Council Worldview PodcastEP067: Q&A Session #1In this episode, Ronn and Mike answer five questions sent in by listeners: 1) What are some DCW topics that could benefit from further scholarly attention? 2) Was Jacob's vow in Genesis 28:20 unique? 3) Was the mal’ak of Yahweh in the OT the pre-incarnate Jesus? 4) How should we understand human decision-making and God's sovereignty playing out together? 5) Were some of Jesus’ miracles uniquely “messianic” in nature, proving that he was God's predicted messiah?2025-07-2055 min

The Divine Council Worldview PodcastEP066: John 5:1-15: Healing at the Pool of BethesdaIn this episode, Ronn Mike Chu discuss the man healed at the Pool of Bethesda (John 5:1-15). They describe how this story ultimately illustrates loyalty to the correct deity, as this pool had traditionally been understood to be dedicated to Asclepius, the Roman god of healing. Thus when Jesus cautioned the man to “sin no more” (5:14) he was warning the man to never appeal to another god for healing from that day forward. The episode concludes with a discussion of the implications of the Sabbath, as well and Jesus’ authority in relation to contemporary faith practices.2025-07-1354 min

The Divine Council Worldview PodcastEP065: John 4:27-54: Jesus, Savior & Protector of the WorldIn this episode, Ronn and Mike discuss the second half of John 4 (verses 27 through 54) which concludes the Samaritan woman narrative. They note how eternal life, which originally was linked to promises made to Israel, now becomes a promise for the entire world as any person places their loyalty in Jesus Christ. They investigate the meaning of “savior” in the ancient world, ultimately realizing that the role of Jesus as Savior encompassed more than just salvation from sin, but also protection and guidance. They conclude by reviewing Jesus’ second recorded sign in the gospel, affirming Jesus’ authority over life and death.2025-07-061h 19

The Divine Council Worldview PodcastEP064: Divine Appointments and Deeper TruthsMel, Rich, and Ronn unpack their experience at the Divine Council Worldview Conference, highlighting meaningful connections, diverse perspectives, and Spirit-led conversations. They dive into deep topics like the authority of Scripture, the role of the church fathers, and the centrality of atonement within the Divine Council framework. This episode is a reflection on unity, truth, and the shared mission of living out faith with purpose.2025-06-2950 min

The Divine Council Worldview PodcastEP063: John 4 & the Woman at the WellIn this episode, Ronn and Mike explore the story of the woman of Samaria in John chapter 4. They discuss the theological implications of faith and loyalty, responding to critiques of Matthew Bates' work on salvation. The conversation also describes the historical context of the relationship between Jews and Samaritans, highlighting the long-standing conflict and its roots in biblical history. They discover that the historical and cultural context of Samaritan worship is ultimately what is at stake in Jesus' concern for this conversation. In conclusion, the dialogue emphasizes the transformative nature of true worship and the understanding of Jesus' role...2025-06-221h 17

The Divine Council Worldview PodcastEP062: Baptism, Purification, and Gentile SanctificationIn this episode, Ronn and Mike explore the various themes present in John 3:22-36: righteousness, sin, Jesus’ atonement, the significance of baptism, and the acceptance of Gentiles into the family of Abraham. Ronn particularly introduces his understanding of the Holy Spirit’s “sanctification” of Gentile communities in the upcoming Book of Acts, recommending that this idea will satisfy so many of the tensions both in the ministry of Jesus and the growth of the later church. They conclude by emphasizing the importance of understanding the gospel in the context of Abraham family dynamics and the unfulfilled story of Israel.2025-06-081h 23

The Divine Council Worldview PodcastEP061: John 3:1-21: The Nicodemus InterviewIn this episode, Ronn & Mike explore Nicodemus' interview with Jesus as recorded in John 3:1-21. They discuss the possiblew misconceptions surrounding the Mosaic law, the Jewish expectations of what a messiah would accomplish, the nature of Jesus' teachings, and the meaning behind the term 'born again.' The conversation highlights the historical context of the Pharisees and their relationship with Jesus, as well as the broader themes of Gentile inclusion and understanding what kind of thought world Jesus would have shared with someone like Nicodemus. 2025-06-011h 40

The Divine Council Worldview PodcastEP059: Interview w/Dr. Matthew Bates on "Beyond the Salvation Wars"In this episode, Ronn & Mike welcome Dr. Matthew Bates back to the podcast to discuss his recently released book, Beyond the Salvation Wars. They discuss what the NT Greek word family of pistis indicates for how all peoples are to respond to the Gospel of King Jesus. They dive into the rifts between Protestants and Catholics, and the tensions amongst various different Protestant denominations and alliances regarding how we understand 'grace', 'faith', and 'works.' They conclude with their hope of the potential for greater Christian unity, not just amongst Protestants, but of the Western and Eastern arms of t...2025-05-181h 12

The Divine Council Worldview PodcastEP058: John 2:23-25: Does Faith Include Loyalty?In this episode, Ronn and Mike discuss the final three verses of John 2. This short passage allows their conversation to develop at length the concepts of “belief" and “faith” in both the Old Testament (Hebrew, aman) and the New Testament (Greek, pisteou). The study details the implications of Jesus' understanding of belief and loyalty when it comes to his expectation of “following” him into eternal life. Along the way they emphasize the importance of viewing faith as an expression of loyalty rather than as a passive acceptance of Jesus’ work on the cross, in the end critiquing modern theological interpretati...2025-05-111h 20

The Divine Council Worldview PodcastEP057: John 2:13-22: Jesus & the LawIn this episode, Ronn and Mike discuss Jesus’ cleansing of the Temple in John 2:13-22. They use this opportunity to then talk through the complexities of the Old Testament law, its interpretation within evangelicalism, and the historical context of the temple's significance. Their discussion highlights how Jesus' fulfillment of the law is often misunderstood and emphasizes the importance of cultural context in understanding biblical texts that deal with the challenges of how to understand biblical law in the modern age. They conclude by exploring the relationship between God’s giving of law and his desire to form a family whic...2025-05-041h 19

The Divine Council Worldview PodcastEP055: John 2:1-12: Exploring Jesus' MiraclesIn this episode, Ronn and Mike explore the significance of Jesus’ first recorded miracle, his turning of water into wine at the wedding of Cana. They discuss the implications and nature of miracles in the context of faith to Yahweh, especially in context of John’s original audience which would have known that created divine beings could perform miraculous deeds as well. Their conversation touches on personal experiences of miracles, the unique aspects of John's Gospel, and the possible reasons behind Jesus' miracles.2025-04-201h 30

The Divine Council Worldview PodcastEP054: John 1:29-51: How Did Jesus "Take Away the Sin of the World"?In this episode, Ronn and Mike discuss John 1:29-51, especially noting how Jesus would be the “lamb of God who takes away the sin of the world” (1:29). They begin by interpreting Old Testament “atonement” (Hebrew, kaphar) texts within their original context. They note how the practice of sacrifice across the ancient world was often accompanied by symbolic acts of “sanctification” as a person prepared to come into the presumed presence of a deity. This is what Jesus would do in his death, claimed John—he would cleanse not only the loyal Israelite, but anyone in the world who would put his faith...2025-04-1359 min

The Divine Council Worldview PodcastEP053: John 1:19-28: How is Jesus "the Messiah"?In this episode, Ronn and Mike study John 1:19-28, noting how John the Baptist’s story was pivotal in understanding Jesus’ identity. They discuss how John’s prophetic ministry faced resistance from Jewish leadership, how John’s practice of baptism functioned as an act of allegiance in early Christianity, and how the concept of a “messiah” (even "the messiah”) evolved in both the Old and New Testaments. Their conversation emphasized the importance of understanding the cultural background of the first century for all aspects of biblical interpretation, especially as it relates to defining the role and identity of Jesus. 📢 Announ...2025-04-061h 19

The Divine Council Worldview PodcastEP052: Thoughts and Reflections with the DCW Podcast HostsIn this episode, Ronn, Mike, Mel, and Rich come back together as a podcasting team to reflect on a year's worth of episodes, adjustments, and hopes for the DCW, Dr. Heiser's legacy, the work of the Michael S. Heiser Foundation, and the glimmers of change within society at large. They talk about their thoughts and feelings on having lost Dr. Heiser over two years, including the questions they still have and the shared common bond they have to each other because of their mutual mentor, friend, and brother in the faith. 📢 Announcing the Image Conference! 📢 The Mic...2025-03-301h 09

The Divine Council Worldview PodcastEP051: John 1:2-18: Is Jesus a "Unique Deity"?In this episode, Ronn and Mike explore John 1:2-18. They consider John’s explanation of Jesus’ pre-existence, his role as co-creator with the God, the active role of disciples “taking” Jesus in becoming “children of God” (1:12), and the description of Jesus as “the only begotten” of God (1:14, 18). They explore the invisibility of the God of Israel, the unique relationship between Jesus and his Father, and the broader implications of Jesus' deity and messiahship within the context of early Christian thought. In conclusion, they recommend that monogones theos reflects the original text in 1:18, finding John to explain Jesus as a “unique deity” who...2025-03-231h 09

Prophecy RoundtableDr. Mike Heiser's Three Rebellions Vs. Three Prison Releases - Prophecy Roundtable Join special guest Dr. Ronn Johnson from The Heiser Institute and Awakening Ministry as we explore Dr. Michael Heiser's three angelic rebellions in Genesis, delving into their potential ramifications for our understanding of spiritual warfare and biblical cosmology. What if there are three angelic prison releases that correspond, found in Revelation 9 and 12, potentially mirroring the original rebellions and signaling a dramatic escalation of spiritual conflict? Why would God release these prisoners during the end of days, a time of unprecedented turmoil and divine intervention, and what judgement awaits them, both those released and the world they impact, as we a...2025-03-121h 30

The Divine Council Worldview PodcastEP049: John 1:1: Is Jesus God?In this episode, Ronn and Mike begin their study of the Gospel of John, focusing specifically on its opening verse. They explore the Greek concept of logos, the apparent distinction between logos and theos, and the concept of the pre-existence of Jesus. Throughout the discussion, they emphasize the importance of understanding the relationship between Jesus and Yahweh, delving into the complexities of understanding the nature of Jesus, the concept of theos, and the implications of Trinitarianism. The discussion emphasizes the importance of context, narrative, and the evolving nature of language in theological discourse, recommending in the end that a...2025-03-091h 20

The Divine Council Worldview PodcastEP048: Does Theos mean "God"?In this episode, Ronn and Mike Chu discuss the meaning of the term “God” in the New Testament, especially noting the lexical movement between the words elohim and theos as Semitic and Greco-Roman languages developed over the centuries. The importance of this study will be reflected in the opening lines of John 1:1 and the identification of Jesus (“the Word with with God, and the Word was God”) as this podcast begins its study in the Gospel of John in following episodes. Using biblical and extra-biblical literature, this discussion comes to the conclusion that elohim and theos did not carry the same...2025-03-021h 08

Behind The Curtain: Mysteries of the Past and Present with Josh and Ryan41 - Atonement Q&A with Dr. Ronn JohnsonIn this episode we talk with our friend, Dr. Ronn Johnson and go over questions we received from listeners about the Atonement. We are always thrilled to have a guest like Dr. Johnson on the show. We hope you enjoy as you learn along with us!___________________________________________________________Connect with Dr. Johnson on The Divine Council Worldview Podcast wherever you get your podcasts.Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/4UdkIcEWNTw9EoniNWSa4e?si=553620e4944a4c69___________________________________________________________Connect with us!Social:Instagram.com/behindthecurtainpcYoutube...2025-03-011h 56

The Divine Council Worldview PodcastEP047: Israel's Story from Genesis to JohnIn this episode, Ronn and Mike explore the transition from the book of Genesis to the Gospel of John, the next subject of study for this podcast. They recommend that the Bible's authority lies primarily in the overarching story it tells, and that for this reason we must know the background and context of any biblical book before studying it. Their discussion presents a sweeping overview of the major events of biblical history and theological developments, including the calling of Abraham, the significance of loyalty, Israelite rituals of faith, and the model of leadership exemplified by David. It concludes...2025-02-231h 15

The Divine Council Worldview PodcastEP046: Genesis 48-50 & Israel's Arrival in EgyptIn this episode, Ronn and Mike study the concluding chapters of Genesis. They begin by briefly overviewing the concept of biblical inspiration, anticipating that the poem of chapter 49 is likely the work of more than one person or even one era. They note Jacob’s curious mention of an elohim/mal’ak (48:15-16) who was responsible for the protection of the patriarch for many years. At the conclusion of this podcast they pause to review some practical aspects of this book, noticing that there are a fair number of themes found in Genesis that seem to be ignored by the...2025-02-161h 39

The Divine Council Worldview PodcastEP045: Genesis 45-47 & Joseph's SurpriseIn this episode, Ronn and Mike explore Joseph’s announcement to his brothers, appreciating how this kind of story makes us consider God’s involvement in human affairs. They recommend, in the end, that a Divine Council worldview plays an important and unique role in working through the complex question of God's sovereignty and human freewill. Their conversation moves through the complex narrative of Jacob's faith journey, his interactions with Yahweh, and the significance of family dynamics as they move to Egypt.2025-02-0959 min

The Divine Council Worldview PodcastEP044: Genesis 42-44 & Joseph's Rise to PowerIn this episode, Ronn and Mike explore the significance of Joseph's actions which led to his release from Egyptian prison. Their conversation touches on the possible significance of the absence of Yahweh’s name in the narrative, as well as themes such as deception, emotional burden, transformation, and character development. The discussion highlights the significance of Judah's leadership, emphasizing how individuals can change over time and the importance of understanding each person's journey of loyalty.2025-02-0256 min

The Divine Council Worldview PodcastEP043: Part 1 - From Engineer to Provocative Podcaster: Dr. Michael Bennett on Truth, Media, and Spiritual GrowthIn part 1 of this thought-provoking episode of the Divine Council Worldview Podcast, hosts Mel and Rich sit down with Dr. Michael Bennett, a trailblazer in technology, as well as provocative Christian podcasting. Together, they reflect on Bennett’s journey from engineer to host of the acclaimed FutureQuake radio show, sharing his unique experiences at conferences and the transformative impact of Dr. Michael Heiser’s work on his understanding of spirituality. Bennett opens up about his personal encounters with Heiser, offering poignant reflections on the critical role Heiser played in reshaping his spiritual perspective. The discussion explores the lega...2025-01-261h 39

The Divine Council Worldview PodcastEP042: Genesis 40-41 & Joseph's Descent into PrisonIn this episode Ronn and Mike explore the story of Joseph’s trials in prison, considering how his experience speaks to the universal experience of suffering. They discuss how Joseph's faith and character became evident in a situation which was not of his own doing. Their conversation also touches on the broader theological implications of suffering and God's presence in difficult times. They conclude by looking forward to the implications of Joseph's story for his brothers and future studies.2025-01-1958 min

The Divine Council Worldview PodcastEP041: Genesis 37-39 & The Story of JosephIn this episode, Ronn and Mike discuss Genesis 37-39, the beginning of the Joseph narrative. They highlight the significance of Joseph's garment, the deception of the brothers which spanned two decades, and Judah's ironic transformation. The discussion also touches on the nature of sin, the essence of discipleship, and the character of Joseph as seen through Potiphar's eyes. 2025-01-121h 02

The Divine Council Worldview PodcastEP040: Genesis 35-36 & The Family of EsauIn this episode, Ronn and Mike discuss the curious situation of Esau. It can be argued, with a fair amount of certainty, that Easu did not worship Yahweh but instead chose to become loyal to other gods. This will be the primary reason that, in the end, the prophets can say that Jacob is "loved" by Yahweh while Esau is "hated" by him (Malachi 1:2-3). Yahweh will still show authority over Esau (and the god that controls the land of Seir, the territory owned by Esau), ultimately bestowing riches upon this man and his family.2025-01-051h 02

The Divine Council Worldview PodcastEP039: Divine Transformations: Jorge Gil’s Journey from Prison to Global MinistryWhat happens when a life of chaos transforms into a mission to change lives? In this episode of Divine Council Worldview, Mel and Rich sit down with Jorge Gil—a producer, host, and all round workhorse behind not only this podcast, but also the podcast series, 'I Don’t Have Enough Faith to Be an Atheist' and 'Rara Biblia.' Jorge’s story is one of dramatic transformation, from a troubled youth in Costa Rica to finding faith in the most unlikely place: a jail cell. There, he discovered a calling to apologetics that would shape his life a...2024-12-291h 42

The Divine Council Worldview PodcastEP038: Jacob's Reunion with EsauIn this episode, Ronn and Mike discuss Genesis chapters 33-34, exploring themes of reconciliation, morality, and divine intervention. They review Jacob's reunion with Esau, the implications of the Dinah incident, and the theological significance of Jacob's journey back to Bethel. The conversation highlights the complexities of faith, the nature of God, and the moral dilemmas faced by biblical characters, all while emphasizing the importance of understanding the cultural and historical context of the scriptures.2024-12-221h 06

The Divine Council Worldview PodcastEP037: Genesis 31-32 & Jacob's Wresting MatchIn this episode, Ronn and Mike talk through the complexities of Jacob's story in Genesis, focusing on the themes of divine encounters, the complex nature of Jacob’s relationship to his god, and the significance of the human/divine wrestling match of Genesis 32. They explore the implications of the two powers in heaven concept, as well as the theological ramifications of Jacob’s name change to Israel. The discussion highlights the intricate dynamics of faith, identity, and divine interaction in the biblical narrative.2024-12-151h 13

The Divine Council Worldview PodcastEP036: The Two Powers in Heaven ControversyIn this episode, Ronn and Mike discuss the "Two Powers in Heaven" controversy that developed among Jewish rabbis in the early centuries after Christ. They begin by explaining how Judaism reacted both in favor of and also against the idea of Yahweh "sharing" his power with another being in the Old Testament. This then turns the conversation, of course, to the person of Jesus and how he was viewed by first century Christians. Was Jesus Christ Yahweh's "second power"? The conversation touches on relevant texts such as Daniel 7 and Exodus 24 before moving into key NT texts and their relationship...2024-12-081h 20

The Divine Council Worldview PodcastEP035: The Unbreakable Divine Image: A Story of Grief, Addiction, and RecoveryIn this episode, Bryan’s story is one of resilience, faith, and profound healing. He candidly recounts the highs and lows of his life—from the challenges of childhood, through the grip of addiction, to the heartbreaking loss of his son, Wesley. His journey highlights how faith, supported by a loving community, can lead to recovery and transformation. Inspired by Dr. Heiser’s teachings, Bryan advocates for a church that embodies love over condemnation, emphasizing the unshakable truth that the divine image within us is never lost. This episode is an inspiring reminder that no matter your past, there is alw...2024-12-011h 16

Behind The Curtain: Mysteries of the Past and Present with Josh and Ryan38 - Atonement with Dr. Ronn JohnsonIn this episode, we discuss the atonement in the Old Testament with biblical scholar, Dr. Ronn Johnson. How did the ancient people of the bible see and understand atonement, sin, sacrifice, and offering? Join us as we learn together! Be sure to check out Dr. Johnson's The Divine Council Worldview Podcast: https://open.spotify.com/show/4UdkIcEWNTw9EoniNWSa4e?si=2e116ac677924c43 ----------------------------- Connect with us! Social: Instagram.com/behindthecurtainpc Youtube.com/btcmysteries TikTok.com/btcmysteries Email: behindthecurtainpc@gmail.com ...2024-12-011h 33

The Divine Council Worldview PodcastEP034: Genesis 28 & Jacob's Staircase into the HeavensIn this episode, Ronn and Mike discuss Genesis 28 and the story of Jacob's ladder. They understand the staircase to symbolize the access that divine messengers had between heaven and earth, a “divine portal” of sorts, reminiscent of Genesis 11 and the Tower of Babel. Is it possible that certain locations on earth may serve as gateways or portals to the spiritual realm? The biblical significance of such places as Bethel and Jerusalem seem to point in that direction. The episode concludes with the story of Jacob's marriage to Leah and Rachel, highlighting Leah's loyalty to Yahweh and her role in the...2024-11-241h 12

The Divine Council Worldview PodcastEP033: Genesis 27 & Jacob's Stolen BlessingIn this episode, Ronn and Mike discuss Genesis 27 and Isaac’s mistaken blessing of Jacob over Esau. They begin by noting the cultural significance of a father blessing a favored son, and discuss possible reasons for Isaac’s decision to bless Esau over Jacob. They then walk through the narrative itself, especially taking note of how Jacob’s decision to say “your elohim” to his father fit the theology of his non-Yahwist brother. It is interesting that the Quran does not record this incident between the brothers at all. The conversation concludes with a discussion on Jacob's journey of faith and...2024-11-171h 06

The Divine Council Worldview PodcastEP032: Armor Up: Dr. Natalie Atwell’s Journey in Counseling, Missions, and Spiritual WarfareIn this episode, Rich and Mel interview Dr. Natalie Atwell, a therapist and adjunct professor, reveals how she integrates the Divine Counsel worldview into her counseling practice. She passionately discusses her work in missions and caregiver ministry, highlighting the significance of understanding spiritual warfare and the supernatural when addressing trauma and mental health. The conversation explores cultural challenges in ministry, the impact of mysticism and superstition abroad, and the urgent need for the church to confront spiritual abuse and offer healing environments. Dr. Atwell also touches on loving others through disagreements, the rise of narcissism in the church, and...2024-11-101h 10

The Divine Council Worldview PodcastEP031: Genesis 25-26 & the Genealogy of IshmaelIn this episode, Ronn and Mike discuss Genesis 25 & 26. They open their conversation by mentioning the “two powers in heaven” idea that will be the subject of a future episode. They note that the genealogy of Ishmael plays a significant role in the Jew-Gentile divide throughout history. They also discuss the early relationship between Jacob and Esau, preparing to question which god these men worship according the biblical record. They conclude by exploring the themes of God’s involvement in human mistakes, the significance of name and their meanings in ancient culture, and the question of God’s knowledge of the futu 2024-11-031h 15

The Divine Council Worldview PodcastEP030: Genesis 23-24 & Finding a Bride for IsaacIn this episode, Ronn and Mike consider Genesis 23 & 24, where Abraham puts his final affairs in order by finding a bride for Isaac. Throughout their discussion they explore the concept of the phrase “the god of” as applied to the stories of Isaac and Ishmael, the role of divine messengers during Eliezer’s search for Isaac’s bride, and the significance of Yahweh’s name and character for those who are committed to following him. In this episode, Ronn and Mike consider Genesis 23 & 24, where Abraham puts his final affairs in order by finding a bride for Isaac. Throughout their discussion...2024-10-271h 05

The Wonder of Seasons and RhythmsRooted: Ronn JohnsonRonn is my go-to when I have a question about the Bible! He is wise, brilliant and humble to boot! Scripture has weaved it's way into the earliest parts of Ronn's life (even into his math homework?!) and he continues to fall in love with the larger story of God, over and over. We play a little trivia at the end and you can see for yourself that he knows his stuff! Enjoy the convo- I know we did!2024-10-231h 12

The Divine Council Worldview PodcastEP029: Genesis 22 & the Sacrifice of IsaacIn this episode, Ronn and Mike discuss the famous “Akeda” story in Genesis 22, where Abraham obeyed the command of God to sacrifice his son Isaac. They consider the theological questions raised by this story, such as why God would ask Abraham to commit murder—and why Abraham would obey. The conversation touches on the cultural context of child sacrifice and the evolving understanding of Yahweh’s character by those who are committed to worship him above every god. They also discuss the concept the possibility of divine “portals,” or specific locations where divine beings have made contact with humans. They conclud...2024-10-211h 14

The Divine Council Worldview PodcastEP028: Healing from Trauma: Navigating Dissociation and Spiritual AbuseIn this episode, Rich and Mel interview Fern and Audrey, who share their work helping survivors of trauma-based mind control, reflecting on their personal experiences and the impact of Dr. Mike Heiser's Divine Council worldview, especially through his books, *The Myth That is True*, *The Facade* and *The Portent*. They explore the complexities of dissociation, discussing how different parts of a person’s identity function and how to discern between dissociated personalities and demonic possession. Fern shares a powerful story about working with a survivor of satanic ritual abuse, highlighting the challenges of spiritual discernment. Throughout the conversation, they st...2024-10-071h 16

The Divine Council Worldview PodcastEP027: Genesis 20-21 & the Relationship between Ismael and IsaacIn this episode, Ronn and Mike discuss Genesis 20 and 21, examining the birth of Isaac and the relationship between Ishmael and Isaac. They work through the significance of Ishmael in the biblical narrative, as well as the meaning of the terms 'righteous' and 'election' in the OT. They agree that there is ambiguity surrounding the identity of the divine being in the story of Abraham and Ishmael, raising questions about loyalty and divine interaction.2024-10-011h 12

The Divine Council Worldview PodcastEP026: Genesis 19 & the Destruction of SodomIn this episode, Ronn and Mike discuss Genesis 19 and the destruction of Sodom. They explore how a divine council worldview arises directly from the cultural context of the ancient Near East when working through this narrative. They conclude their discussion by thinking through the significance of the Hebrew word 'chesed' and the tragic outcome for Lot and his daughters.2024-09-231h 07

The Divine Council Worldview PodcastEP025: Genesis 18 & Abraham's Three Heavenly Visitors In this episode, Ronn and Mike explore Genesis 18's story of Abraham and Sarah being told by three messengers that they would soon bear a son to fulfill the promises of God. The biggest shock of the story, of course, will be to hear one of the visitors speak as though he is Yahweh! Ronn and Mike consider the possible options for identifying this messenger, leaning into the relationship ejoyned between messengers and senders as practiced in ancient Near Eastern cultures. The episode also considers what Abraham likely understood by his use of the important words righteous and wicked (18:25).2024-09-161h 22

Ask A ScholarDeuteronomy | Questions on holy war and Deut. 32 | with Dr. Ronn JohnsonIn this episode, we will discuss the Book of Deuteronomy with questions centered around the concept of holy war and various questions about Deuteronomy 32. Join Karla and Mike as they converse with Dr. Ronn Johnson to get your questions answered! 2024-09-0952 min

Ask A ScholarDeuteronomy | Questions on giants, laws, and the Shema | with Dr. Ronn JohnsonIn this episode, we will discuss the Book of Deuteronomy with questions centered around the mention of giants, the difference in the laws presented here versus what is presented in Leviticus and Numbers, and the importance of the Shema. Join Karla and Mike as they converse with Dr. Ronn Johnson to get your questions answered! 2024-08-2750 min

The Divine Council Worldview PodcastEP024: Christus Victor and the Divine Council: A Church's Journey in Palmdale, CAIn this episode, Rich and Mel interview Pastor Anthony Delgado of Palmdale Church, California, who dives deep into the transformative power of Dr. Michael Heiser's Divine Council worldview and its impact on his predominantly Hispanic, working-class congregation. Anthony shares how his church has woven this theology into their structure, striking a unique balance between formality and community. From addressing real-life challenges like substance abuse to creating an inclusive environment for special needs families, Pastor Delgado discusses the importance of discipleship, allegiance to Christ, and expanding our understanding of the Gospel. A powerful conversation on faith, transformation, and the role...2024-08-261h 48

The Divine Council Worldview PodcastEP023: Genesis 17 & the Covenant of Ishmael In this episode, Ronn and Mike discuss Genesis 17 and the story of Ishmael. They explore the possibility that Ishamel made a covenant with a divine being other than Yahweh, even a god disloyal to Yahweh. They discuss the theological and historical implications of this view, particularly in relation to the rise of Muslim tradition and its attachment to Ishmael. The episode concludes with a discussion on the significance of circumcision, its meaning in the ancient world, and its possible significance as a sign of the covenant between Abraham and Yahweh.2024-08-121h 19

The Divine Council Worldview PodcastEP022: Genesis 16 and the Angel of the Lord In this episode, Ronn and Mike discuss Genesis 16 and the being known as "the Angel of the Lord." They begin by acknowledging that differences of opinion will be common when dealing with the word 'angel,' the transliteration of a Latin word appearing in the Wycliffe Bible of the 14th century. Ronn argues that 'angel' does not accurately represent the Hebrew term for 'messenger' (mal'ak) because it has become packed with unhelpful connotations of meaning over time. Ronn and Mike conclude the podcast by exploring the use of first person speech patterns used by messengers (both human and divine) in...2024-08-041h 07

The Divine Council Worldview PodcastEP021: Genesis 15 and the Land Promise In this episode, Ronn and Mike conclude their study of Genesis 15. Their topics of conversation include the meaning of righteousness and its connection to loyalty and promise-keeping in the story of Abraham. They also consider the significance of the land promise as the early patriarchs understood it and how it evolves throughout the biblical narrative. They conclude with an exploration of the concept of "nationing" and the possible role of borders in the new creation.2024-07-281h 05

The Divine Council Worldview PodcastEP020: Transforming Perspectives: From Church Teachings to Real-World ImpactStep into a world where the supernatural intersects with everyday life. In this episode, Mel is once again joined with co-host, Rich, as they interview Pastor Jim Bergen from Flatirons Community Church, Boulder, CO, and delve into the journey of his awakening to a worldview shaped by the Divine Council and its profound impact on our reality. Imagine the transformative power when this perspective infuses teaching, discipleship, and spiritual warfare within the church. Yet, bringing this understanding into congregational life isn’t without challenges. It demands careful preparation, defining terms, and exploring the significance of sacred spaces....2024-07-221h 31

The Divine Council Worldview PodcastEP019: Genesis 15 and Abraham's Loyalty In this episode, Ronn and Mike discuss the concept of Abraham's righteousness as won through his allegiance to Yahweh in the story of Genesis 15. They explore the idea of believing loyalty (Hebrew, aman) and how it is often misunderstood in evangelical circles when defining the gospel. They highlight the importance of understanding the OT cultural context behind the concept of faith, even recommending that we take the English word "faith" out of our vocabulary when trying to explain the story of Abraham's commitment to Yahweh. The conversation concludes by summarizing the NT meaning of what it means to accept th...2024-06-301h 05

The Divine Council Worldview PodcastEP018: Genesis 14: Melchizedek & The God Most High In this episode Ronn and Mike discuss the meeting of Abraham and Melchizedek in Genesis 14, even considering whether this kind of story supports the idea of divine portals or “heavenly gates” in the biblical narrative (Gen 12:8; 13:4; 28:11-12; 35:7). Most interesting to this story, of course, is their joint realization that they worshipped the same deity (el-elyon, ‘the high god’ cp. Pss 9:2; 7:17; 82:6; Isaiah 14:14; Luke 1:20, 32). This suggests that Yahweh (who had not revealed his name to either man at this point) was actively working behind the scenes in the lives of both individuals long before they met.2024-06-231h 07

The Divine Council Worldview PodcastEP017: Genesis 12 & 13: Undoing the Covenants of Babel In this episode, Ronn and Mike recommend that Genesis 12 and 13—the story of Abraham beginning to worship Yahweh while rejecting his tribal gods of Babylon—sets the framing story for the Bible as a whole. These early narratives are not concerned with sin and forgiveness, in other words, nor even the expectation of a Messiah. They instead answer the question of which deity a person needs to worship in order to be blessed and to be a blessing to others. It is suggested that a Creation/Covenants/Crisis model of the Old Testament's big story should replace the Creation/Crisi...2024-06-201h 06

The Divine Council Worldview PodcastEP016: Divine Foundations: Embracing Obedience in Everyday MissionsGet ready to be inspired, challenged, and equipped to make a difference in the world around you! In this episode, Mel delves into the transformative power of meaningful interactions and the importance of open minds and hearts when sharing Biblical insights. He emphasizes putting knowledge into action in making disciples, urging listeners to share their personal stories of divine guidance in everyday moments. Mel expounds on missionary work, highlighting that it’s not just about far-off lands, but also about nurturing relationships within our own families. Amidst the discussion, Mel navigates the poignant absence of his co-host Rich, who ha...2024-06-141h 08

The Divine Council Worldview PodcastEP015: Genesis 12 & the God’s Covenant with Abraham In this episode, Ronn and Mike recommend that the principal problem of mankind as described up through Genesis 11—the worldwide worship of other gods—begins to meet its solution in Genesis 12 as a covenant is cut between Abram and Yahweh. The promise of this agreement, requiring faithfulness from both parties, included both individual prosperity for Abram and ultimate blessing for the entire world. In conclusion, it is recommended that the climax to this story is signaled through Abram’s “calling on the name of Yahweh” (12:8) as opposed to any of the deities he had worshipped in Babylon. The Bible's most famou...2024-06-041h 12

The Divine Council Worldview PodcastEP014: Genesis 11 & the Tower of BabelIn this episode, Ronn and Mike consider the famous story of the Tower of Babel, recommending that the purpose of the Tower was the worship of (and desire to make covenant with) created deities. They note that this event, especially in light of what it signifies in the larger story of the Bible, stands behind the problem that the New Testament gospel will someday solve—the “healing of the nations” (Revelation 22:2) through the unified worship of Yahweh and his Son Jesus Christ.2024-05-2857 min

The Divine Council Worldview PodcastEP013: The Genealogy of Genesis 10 In this episode, Ronn and Mike discuss Genesis 10’s genealogical record between Noah and Abraham. They begin by noting that the story of the curse of Canaan (Ham’s son) likely lays the foundation for Joshua’s later confrontation with pagan worhsip in land of Canaan. They then work their way through the lists of names and tribes in Genesis 10, observing the geographical locations settled by the sons of Noah. More importantly, they show how the text hints toward the loss of Yahweh-worship during this critical period of history. The episode ends at the foot of the Tower of Babel...2024-05-2251 min

Ask A ScholarGenesis | Questions on Idols, Jacob, and Joseph | with Dr. Ronn JohnsonIn this episode, we will continue our discussion on the Book of Genesis with questions centered around idols, Jacob, Joseph, and more. Join Karla and Mike as they converse with Dr. Ronn Johsnon to get your questions answered! 2024-05-1329 min

The Divine Council Worldview PodcastEP012: Crossing Cultures: Superstition, Scripture, and the Missionary MandateJoin us for a thought-provoking discussion as we delve into personal journeys shaped by 'The Unseen Realm' and the profound impact of the supernatural on missions. Delve into the intriguing intersections of superstition, idolatry, and missionary work across diverse cultures. From pagan traditions in Christianity to demon possession in India, we explore how context shapes our understanding of scripture and the global dissemination of the Biblical message with knowledge. Uncover the epic narrative of the Bible alongside similar tales worldwide, while examining the crucial role of like-minded communities and the influence of fatherhood in our quest to spread the...2024-05-131h 28

The Divine Council Worldview PodcastEP011: God’s Response to a Divine InsurgencyThis episode finds Ronn and Mike discussing Genesis 6-9, which begins with that odd story of the “sons of god” producing nephilim through human women (6:1-4). They agree with early Christian and Jewish tradition in viewing this story as an intense divine rebellion which led to God’s decision to destroy the world with a flood. They consider what this account might mean to the larger narrative of the Bible, admitting in the end that we are left with many unanswered questions. Their conversation then notes how Noah's righteousness (taken to be his simple worship of the creator God) is com...2024-05-0552 min

Behind The Curtain: Mysteries of the Past and Present with Josh and Ryan32 - The Divine Council Worldview with Dr. Ronn JohnsonIn this episode, we speak with Dr. Ronn Johnson of the Divine Council Worldview Podcast. Dr. Johnson was good friends with Dr. Michael Heiser and is carrying on the theological idea of a Divine Council in the Bible. We talk about the existence of other gods, the word 'angel' and how a Divine Council Worldview can help us change the way we see and practice our faith for the better. Be sure to check out Dr. Johnson and Mike Chu on the DCW podcast. Social: Instagram.com/behindthecurtainpc Youtube.com/btcmysteries TikTok.com/btcmysteries Email: behindthecurtainpc@gmail.com Music: Opening...2024-05-011h 12

Ask A ScholarGenesis | Questions on Creation, Eden, & Eating the Fruit | with Dr. Ronn JohnsonIn this episode, we get your questions about the beginning of the Book of Genesis answered by Dr. Ronn Johnson and Mike Chu. With questions on creation, the Garden of Eden, and the real issue of eating the fruit, we'll focus our discussions around Genesis 1-3. 2024-04-2940 min

The Divine Council Worldview PodcastEP010: The Genealogy of Genesis 5 In this episode, Ronn and Mike review the place of Genesis 5 in the early story of the Bible. They suspect that this list of fathers and sons was formatted to suit a literary purpose as well as to recognize that a line of Yahweh-worshippers could be identified between Adam and Noah. Enoch is noted as among these righteous men, mysteriously disappearing off the earth after faithfully walking with his God. At the conclusion of this episode they introduce the pivotal narrative which took place during the days of Noah: a certain number of bene elohim (a Hebrew phrase signifying...2024-04-2948 min

The Divine Council Worldview PodcastEP009: Did Cain Worship another God?In this episode, Ronn and Mike discuss the events described in Genesis 4. They challenge the popular notion that God was frustrated with Cain's vegetable offering, suspecting that something much more ominous was at stake. After surveying the story of Cain and his expanding family, they recommend that the last verse of the chapter offers the necessary clue for understanding the chapter as a whole—where we hear that Yahweh-worship eventually returned to Adam's family through Enosh, the son of Seth (4:26). Thus Genesis 4 is describing something worse than just the spread of sin; it is the spread of non-Yahwistic worship th...2024-04-2254 min

The Divine Council Worldview PodcastEP008: Fond Memories & Future VisionIn this episode, hosts Rich and Mel share personal anecdotes about their relationship with Dr. Michael Heiser, and reminisce on how they first met. They then delve into their shared passion and vision of integrating Dr. Heiser's teachings with the core message of the Gospel. Together, they aim to foster discipleship and inspire listeners to embark on their own transformative journey.2024-04-1559 min

The Divine Council Worldview PodcastEP007: Digging Around the Garden of Eden In this episode, Ronn and Mike return to Genesis 2 & 3 and ponder some of the specific stories related to the Garden of Eden. What did the two trees mean, or represent? How was Eve "made," and what was her relationship to Adam? Who or what was the serpent? Even more importantly, what was the temptation that the serpent presented to the human pair? Was it to become like Yahweh, or to become a divine being, even like the snake himself?2024-04-081h 12

The Divine Council Worldview PodcastEP006: Interview with Matthew Bates, Author of Why the Gospel? In this episode of the Divine Council Worldview Podcast, Ronn and Mike interview Dr. Matthew Bates, author of Why the Gospel? Living the Good News of King Jesus with Purpose (Christianity Today’s 2024 book award winner in the category of Popular Theology). Their conversation surveys the narrative nature of the gospel story, the meaning of divine kingship in the first century, and the modern implications of living under Jesus’ sovereignty. In the end, Bates sees the gospel as much more than the forgiveness of sins. He believes that being a Christian includes both an intentional confession of Jesus as King...2024-04-0157 min

The Bible (Unmuted)#60: The Divine Council Worldview - An Interview with Ronn Johnson and Mike ChuMatt chats with Ronn Johnson and Mike Chu, who both host The Divine Council Worldview Podcast. The conversation covers a range of topics, from what is a divine council worldview and the fall of spiritual beings to translation issues and the practical benefits of DCW. Subscribe to The Divine Council Worldview Podcast on all major podcast platforms, including: Spotify:https://open.spotify.com/show/4UdkIcEWNTw9EoniNWSa4e... Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/.../the-divine.../id1732773760 Audible: https://www.audible.com/.../The-Divine-Council.../B0CW783R23 Website: ⁠https://sites.libsyn.com/513968/⁠ AWKNG School of Theology: ⁠https://awkngschooloftheology.com/⁠2024-03-261h 27

The Divine Council Worldview PodcastEP005: The Story of Genesis 3: Does it Predict that Jesus Will Crush Satan? In this episode of the Divine Council Worldview Podcast Ronn Johnson and Mike Chu discuss the temptation and fall of Adam and Eve in Genesis 3. They debate the possible options presented by the serpent to Eve: was the temptation to become like “God,” or to become like himself, an elohim? And what did it mean for Adam and Eve to fear their “nakedness” when Yahweh entered the garden? The curses upon the snake, Eve, and Adam are lastly considered, specifically the famous “proto-gospel” passage of 3:15 which finds the seed of the woman crushing the head of the serpent. Could this “seed”...2024-03-251h 41

The Divine Council Worldview PodcastEP004: Let's Consider if Genesis 1 & 2 Describe Separate Creation Stories In this episode of the Divine Council Worldview Podcast, Ronn Johnson and Mike Chu discuss the creation account of humanity and the implications of being made to be like/as divine beings (the “us” of Genesis 1:26). They “test drive” the possibility that Genesis 1 and 2 offer separate creation accounts, with Adam and Eve being formed and placed into a garden after an existing world had been populated with many plants, animals, and humans. The benefit of this option, as they understand it, is the later narrative of Genesis 4, where Cain appears to enter a populated world after his murder of Abel. Ro...2024-03-1851 min

The Divine Council Worldview PodcastEP003: Introducing Two Friends to the PodcastIn this episode of the Divine Council Worldview Podcast, Ronn Johnson and Mike Chu introduce two friends who will be contributing to upcoming shows. Rich Baker and Mel were close followers and friends of Dr. Heiser and his ministry, and their goal will be to interview people from various cultures who have been impacted by Mike’s work. They will enjoy recounting where a divine council worldview has been introduced into local ministries and how it has made a difference. Because the seduction of other gods is still very real in our modern world, understanding what it means to wo...2024-03-1151 min

The Divine Council Worldview PodcastEP002: Creation and the Image of God in Genesis 1In this episode of the Divine Council Worldview Podcast, Ronn Johnson and Mike Chu discuss the concept of the Divine Council worldview and its relevance to the study of Genesis 1. They explore the translation and meaning of the Hebrew word elohim, which is often translated as ‘God’ in English. They also discuss the plural use of elohim and the importance of reading non-evangelical scholarship to gain a broader understanding of the biblical text. The episode concludes with a discussion on the interpretation of the days of creation in Genesis 1, as well as the significance of the phrase ‘let us make m...2024-03-041h 08

The Divine Council Worldview PodcastEP001: Introduction to the Divine Council PodcastIn this episode of the Divine Council Worldview Podcast, Ronn Johnson and Mike Chu introduce themselves and discuss their background in theology. They explain that their goal is to move the discussion of a divine council worldview forward and provide a fresh perspective on the Bible. They also discuss their personal journeys to faith and how they became interested in the divine council worldview. The episode concludes with a discussion on the definition of a divine council worldview and its key principles. In this conversation, Ronn Johnson and Mike Chu discuss various aspects of the Divine Council worldview. They...2024-02-231h 00

Bar For BarCollaborating Is The Best You Can DoThis week, we have Flynn Johnson come through to chop it up with the boys. We talk about Drake albums, 50 Cent & the G-Unit era, Flynn's come up and collaboration within the community. Bar For Bar: https://www.instagram.com/goingbarfor... Ronn: https://www.instagram.com/ronnmaps/ Mick: https://www.instagram.com/mad_micko/ Kev: https://www.instagram.com/kev__collins/ Dan: https://www.instagram.com/danedewor/ We shoot our podcast at Vision Lab - check them out https://www.instagram.com/visionlabdu... Collaborating Is The Best You Can Do | Bar For Bar | Episode 55 | Ft. Flynn Johnson 2023-11-212h 09

Church of the Open DoorSo, What Does Ecclesiastes Mean to Me? | Ronn Johnson | Ecclesiastes: Chasing After the Wind | October 29, 2023Our mission is to invite people to engage in the struggle of becoming fully alive in God and to be a community of people radically committed to spiritual transformation for the sake of others.Church of the Open Door is located in Maple Grove, Minnesota.Stay Connected Website: https://thedoor.orgFacebook: https://www.facebook.com/thedoor.orgInstagram: https://www.instagram.com/churchoftheopendoor 2023-11-0150 min

Paternal Presence PodcastEp 33 Jevon Johnson "Fly Dad"Jevon Johnson another Cool Dad and dope comic. This guy is always showing love and appreciation for his family. We chop it up about Stepdads and raising boys compared to girls. Another great conversation. Dive In!Intro & Outro Music by Ja-Main Da Wordsmithz @Jamain_Da Paternal Presence Alumni Ep 14Please follow my pages on You Tube :Le'Ronn's Paternal Presence PodcastInstagram:@PaternalPresence 2023-06-2533 min

Paternal Presence PodcastEp 18 Corey Johnson "Present Personality Dad"Corey is family. I have known him since he was in High School. He is a cool dude always good Vibes. Never in a bad mood. Now a father of 3 with a blended family. This is one of those ones! Dive In! @TheCJMichealIntro & Outro Music by Ja-Main Da Wordsmithz @Jamain_Da Paternal Presence Alumni Ep 14Please follow my pages on You Tube :Le'Ronn's Paternal Presence PodcastInstagram:@PaternalPresence 2023-01-3038 min

The Truth By FirePresident Biden the Modern Day King Saul (Anti-Christ Agenda?), Pimp Game Infiltrating the Black Church, 501C3 Has Destroyed the House of GodPresident Biden is operating in the White House like the biblical King Saul. The highest political authority in the land. Elected by a people who desire to no longer be governed by God. Leveraging his position and hopeful yet naive American citizens for power, control, and monetary gain. Driven by a self-serving agenda that conflicts with the word and dominion of God. Setting in motion initiatives that eradicate our individual freedoms and the Constitution in exchange for one global economy, financial system, and One World Order. Ultimately, ushering in the Mark of the Beast and the Anti-Christ. ...2023-01-2151 min

Small College Basketball PodcastHall of Famers EditionIn today’s episode, listeners join co-hosts Chris Cottrell and Rob Gardiner as they recap the 2022 Small College Basketball Hall of Fame Induction Ceremony and Inductees. Inductees included Players: Jim Bond (Pasadena College) Bo Clark (Central Florida) Darryl Jones (Benedictine) Todd Linder (Tampa) Derrick “Rick” Mahorn (Hampton) Steve Platt (Huntington (IN) Glynn Saulters (Northeast Louisiana) Jerry Shipp (Southeastern Oklahoma State) Frank “Porky” Vieira (Quinnipiac) Coaches: Jim Phelan (Mount St. Mary’s) Harry Statham (McKendree) and Contributor/Player: Earl Lloyd (West Virginia State) Congratulations to all of the Hall of Fame inductees… Listeners can hear interviews from: Jim Bond Bo Clark Darryl Jones ...2022-11-0922 min

Lunchtime with LesserRonn Johnson - Lunchtime with LesserSince the pandemic started, we’ve seen organizations of all sizes step up to do what they can to help out. Ronn Johnson is the head of one of those organizations, Martin Luther King Jr. Family Services. MLK is an important resource for an underserved part of our community, but like every part of our lives since March, much of how they deliver their services is different. Eric spoke with Ronn about what they are doing now and how things have changed – this is that conversation. 2020-12-0729 min

Growth Edge Leadership PodcastRonn Johnson, PhD - Assessing and Addressing Racism in Law Enforcement and LeadershipIn this week’s episode, I chat with Dr. Ronn Johnson about assessing and addressing systemic and structural racism in law enforcement. Dr. Johnson is a clinical psychologist, a Professor in the department of Clinical Psychiatry, and the Associate Dean for Diversity and Inclusion in Creighton University’s School of Medicine. His scholarly research centers around recruitment and selection of law enforcement officers and culture with agencies and the profession. He has consulted with every major agency; city and state, nationwide, and is a very highly regarded expert on matters of antiterrorism, corrections, and police and forensic psychology. 2020-06-0832 min

Afternoon RantzSay Their Names Mural to be Painted in Downtown Springfield MassLeah Rantz talks with Ronn Johnson, director of the Martin Luther King Family Services about the upcoming Say Their Names mural to be painted at the MLKJ Family Services Building in Springfield. The mural is to pay tribute to unarmed People of Color killed by police, and will be painted this Thursday and Friday.2020-06-0312 min

Community View PointsNorthwest Classic 50th AnniversaryCommittee members Tameka Gaines Holly & Ronn Johnson called into the show to speak on celebrating their 50th Anniversary! Ronn spoke on NW Classic here & now as well as the Hall of Fame. Tameka highlighted the NW Classic back story & Golden Gala Benefit fundraiser as well as invited the community to get involved in the week long events.2019-10-1113 min

Ronn Benway Talks To Friends And StrangersS1 Epi. #33 Calvin Johnson from Olympia WA label K records sings songs from "A Wonderful Beast"Calvin Johnson plays music in Olympia WA. For many years he's been running a record label called K records. He's been in many bands, Beat Happening, Halo Benders, Selector Dub Narcotic to name a few. I'm kind of a big fanboy during this interview. Thanks for listening. Try the other episodes too. This podcast focuses on independent music and the people who make it. Cheers! #rbttfas #benwaybop #ronnbenwaytalkstofriendsandstrangers #podcast #krecords #k #podcasting #podcaster #indierock #indie #guitar #musicpodcast #musicshow #interview #webcast #calvinjohnson #awonderfulbeast #olympia 2019-08-2130 min

The Naked BibleNaked Bible 245: ETS Conference Interviews Part 4In this episode we sit down first with Dr. Carl Sanders and Dr. Ronn Johnson to talk about rejected ETS papers (!) and the Holy Spirit in the Old Testament; next we chat with Dr. Karl Kutz and Dr. Rebekah Josberger, authors of an important new first-year Hebrew grammar.2018-11-201h 08

The Naked BibleNaked Bible 188: ETS Conference Interviews Part 2In this second installment of ETS interviews, Mike chats with Carl Sanders and Ronn Johnson, two long-time friends. In the first part of the conversation with Carl and Ronn, we focused on their own response to “higher life” sanctification and reminisced about our academic and teaching experiences. In Part 2, Mike, Carl, and Ronn conduct a thought experiment to illustrate what biblical-theological geeks do at these meetings by asking Ronn to toss out a new view of the atonement he’s been thinking about and then probing it for strengths and weaknesses. NB 188 ...2017-11-231h 23

The Vicki McKenna ShowDuke Pesta/David Johnson/Steve Spingola/Merrill Matthews/Ronn Ferrell/Matt Kittle3PM- Duke Pesta joins the show to discuss civic literacy in students and David Johnson phones in.4PM- Steve Spingola joins the show to discuss crime and his upcoming speaking engagement. Then Merrill Matthews talks about healthcare.5PM- Ronn Ferrell talks county budget shortfalls followed by Matt Kittle on the state budget.2017-09-151h 46