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Listing BitsInside Editora: Julie Drazen's No-Fluff Approach to Real Estate VideoThe Listing Bits Podcast is now available on your favorite podcast player! Overview Greg Robertson sits down with Julie Drazen, founder of Editora, to talk about her background in film and commercial editing and how that experience led to building a fast, opinionated video-editing platform for real estate agents. Julie explains how Editora uses AI as a behind-the-scenes tool (not a replacement for craft), why simplicity and taste matter in listing videos, and how the product is designed to save agents time while keeping branding consistent across brokerages. Key Takeaways Julie's c...
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Industry RelationsCompass Closes, CoStar Cuts, TAN Stirs the Pot.The Industry Relations Podcast is now available on your favorite podcast player! Overview Rob and Greg dive into a packed week in real estate: the Compass–Anywhere deal officially closes, CoStar announces major spending cuts for Homes.com, and the recently settled Top Agent Network lawsuit raises big questions about the future of Clear Cooperation. They debate what these moves mean for MLSs, brokers, and portals—and preview the industry shake-ups still to come. Key Takeaways MLS Reset is sold out, with Rob returning as a featured speaker. Compass–Anywhe...
2026-01-1438 minIndustry RelationsForecast 2026: Mortgage Rates, MLS Wars, and Industry ConsolidationsThe Industry Relations Podcast is now available on your favorite podcast player! Overview Rob Hahn and Greg Robertson close out the year with their annual predictions episode. They debate where housing transactions, interest rates, and home prices are headed, then turn to broader market forecasts. The conversation shifts to industry-specific predictions around lawsuits, private listings, MLS policy, portal strategy, and where consolidation may reshape brokerages and real estate technology next. Key Takeaways Existing home sales, interest rates, and median home price predictions — with very different rationales. Why mortgage rates ma...
2025-12-311h 02Industry Relations2025 in the Rearview: Who Got It Right?The Industry Relations Podcast is now available on your favorite podcast player! Overview Rob Hahn and Greg Robertson close out the year by revisiting their 2024 predictions and grading how they actually turned out. From transaction volume and mortgage rates to MLS power shifts, NAR's role, Zillow's influence, and major industry moments, the episode becomes a candid year-in-review on what really changed—and what didn't—in real estate. Key Takeaways Greg outperformed Rob on most economic predictions, including transaction volume, mortgage rates, and median home prices. The stock market's strong perfo...
2025-12-2456 minIndustry RelationsWho Runs Bartertown?The Industry Relations Podcast is now available on your favorite podcast player! Overview Rob Hahn and Greg Robertson dig into the escalating conflict between Zillow and MRED over private listing networks (PLNs), IDX rules, and Zillow's Listing Access Standards (ZLAS). What starts as a dispute over listing visibility quickly becomes a deeper conversation about power: who ultimately controls listing data—the MLS or the portal? The episode explores MRED's emails to brokers, Zillow's outreach for direct feeds, potential January disruptions, and why this fight could set a precedent for MLS–portal relationships nationwide. Key T...
2025-12-1759 minListing BitsRemine, Refocused with Joe Kazzoun, CEO of Remine.The Listing Bits Podcast is now available on your favorite podcast player! Overview Greg Robertson sits down with Joe Kazzoun, CEO of Remine, for a wide-ranging conversation on real estate technology, forms, MLS dynamics, and Remine's path forward under new ownership. Joe walks through his career across brokerage tech, transaction management, and proptech, then digs into lessons learned from Instanet, Lone Wolf, Dotloop/Zillow, and his return to Remine. The discussion focuses on software bloat, member benefits vs. direct sales, and how Remine is simplifying its product strategy to regain stability and growth. K...
2025-12-131h 03Industry RelationsHow Much Transparency Is Too Much?The Industry Relations Podcast is now available on your favorite podcast player! Overview In this episode, Rob and Greg dive into the recurring issue of embezzlement and financial mismanagement within small Realtor associations. Using recent cases as a jumping-off point, they debate what "transparency" should actually look like in a member-driven nonprofit, whether associations should provide full access to financial records, and what safeguards could reasonably prevent future financial failures. The discussion gets spirited as they explore audits, member oversight, governance culture, and how much transparency is too much—or not enough. Key Ta...
2025-12-101h 01Industry RelationsFrom 'Raise the Bar' to 'Lower the Stakes': Real Estate's Consistency ProblemThe Industry Relations Podcast is now available on your favorite podcast player! Overview Rob and Greg break down the newest developments in NAR governance, the fallout from the failed referral-fee disclosure vote, and the rapid moves by industry players like eXp and CAR to implement their own transparency standards. They also examine broader structural questions: Should MLSs raise the bar? Is the NAR brand salvageable? The conversation then turns to Zillow's decision to remove climate-risk scores, shifting public sentiment, and the growing political and economic pressures facing housing, affordability, and real estate professionals. K...
2025-12-0358 minIndustry RelationsCompass and Zillow Play ChickenThe Industry Relations Podcast is now available on your favorite podcast player! Overview In this episode, Rob and Greg dive into the newly surfaced Zillow–Compass court documents, a leaked Zillow strategy plan, and Mike DelPrete's analysis of the preliminary injunction hearing. They also discuss the broader market context—from the real cost of living in 2025 to generational tension—and debate whether the lawsuit will meaningfully change industry behavior. The conversation closes with predictions, stakes, and possible compromise paths between Compass and Zillow. Key Takeaways A "must-read" macro article kicks off the sh...
2025-11-261h 02Industry RelationsMLS Emancipation?The Industry Relations Podcast is now available on your favorite podcast player! Overview Rob and Greg break down what happened at NAR NXT in Houston — from the empty expo floor to major MLS–Association policy changes. Greg shares on-the-ground insights from meetings, parties, and conversations with MLS leaders, while Rob analyzes the strategic implications of NAR's 18-point PAG recommendations and what he calls the "emancipation" of MLSs. They also discuss winners and losers of the policy shifts, potential impacts on associations, vendors, portals, and brokers, and tee up a future episode on NAR's new strategic plan...
2025-11-1959 minIndustry RelationsNAR NXT Grab BagThe Listing Bits Podcast is now available on your favorite podcast player! Overview Rob and Greg dig into expectations for the NAR Annual Conference, MLS attendance patterns, and broader industry sentiment heading into 2025. They cover speculation around possible committee decisions, how the settlement fallout is (or isn't) impacting MLS membership and commissions, and the overall vibe leading into the event. The conversation then shifts to affordability, mortgage rates, and the recent proposal of a 50-year mortgage. They close with discussion of a new Zillow/RESPA-related lawsuit, Rocket/Redfin implications, and observations from Zillow Unlock.
2025-11-131h 03Listing BitsGetting rid of the grey with Amy Gorce of REdistributeThis Listing Bits episode is now available on your favorite podcast player! Overview Greg Robertson sits down with industry veteran Amy Gorce of REdistribute to clarify what REdistribute actually does, how it differs from display-focused data platforms, and why MLSs should care about the exploding gray-market use of MLS data. Amy breaks down the institutional-buyer use cases, explains how gray-market pipelines emerged, and outlines why MLS participation directly impacts valuation accuracy, AVMs, risk modeling, and overall market health. Key Takeaways • REdistribute is not a display vendor. Their data is used sol...
2025-11-1045 minIndustry RelationsMutual customer?The Industry Relations Podcast is now available on your favorite podcast player! Overview Rob and Greg discuss Zillow's recent privacy policy changes to Follow Up Boss and the growing debate around data use and agent trust. They examine how Zillow's communication strategy has affected its reputation, drawing comparisons to past acquisitions like dotloop and ShowingTime. The conversation explores whether this move signals a broader industry shift in how tech companies handle customer data, AI integration, and transparency with agents. Key Takeaways Zillow's new Follow Up Boss privacy policy grants broader access...
2025-11-0552 minIndustry RelationsOrganized Real Estate's GTM problemThe Industry Relations Podcast is now available on your favorite podcast player! Overview Rob and Greg dive into Sean Frank's Inman article, "NAR and the Real Estate Industry's Relevance Problem." They discuss how outdated MLS technology and excessive bureaucracy are stifling innovation in real estate. From permissioning delays to governance breakdowns, the hosts explore why MLS systems feel stuck in "Windows 95 mode" and debate how consolidation or standardization could spark change. Key Takeaways MLS permissioning and governance are major obstacles to innovation. Outdated tech systems like Matrix and Paragon...
2025-10-2952 minIndustry RelationsWhen Fine Print Hits the FanThe Industry Relations Podcast is now available on your favorite podcast player! Overview In this episode, Rob and Greg dive into the controversy surrounding CRMLS's End User License Agreement (EULA) and the debate over MLS data ownership. The discussion begins with updates in the MLS world that brought attention to how CRMLS's EULA—originally updated for two-factor authentication—resurfaced older language asserting MLS ownership of listing data. Rob argues that this fundamental change to broker data rights was poorly communicated, while Greg defends CRMLS, emphasizing the operational benefits and the long-standing nature of the clause. The...
2025-10-221h 00Industry RelationsZGPTThe Industry Relations Podcast is now available on your favorite podcast player! Overview Rob and Greg dive into the recent OpenAI Developers Conference announcement showcasing Zillow's integration into ChatGPT. They break down how this partnership blurs the lines between traditional search engines and AI "answer machines," debate whether MLS and IDX policies are ready for this shift, and discuss what it means for agents, brokers, and the future of data regulation in real estate. Key Takeaways Zillow's new ChatGPT integration allows users to search listings directly within AI, sparking debate about I...
2025-10-1554 minListing BitsLive from Toronto with Michael Wurzer, CEO of FBSOverview Greg Robertson sits down with Michael Wurzer, CEO of FBS (Flexmls), right after CMLS 2025 in Toronto. They reflect on the state of the MLS industry, FBS's growth and culture, and how AI, standards, and industry consolidation are shaping the future of organized real estate. Key Takeaways FBS growth & longevity FBS is now the #2 MLS system vendor with near-100% retention. Employee-owned culture drives long-term stability and customer focus. Industry leadership Wurzer has been influential in pushing APIs, RESO standards, and long-term tech adoption. ...
2025-10-1359 minIndustry RelationsToronto tales and moreThe Industry Relations Podcast is now available on your favorite podcast player! Overview Rob and Greg return to break down CMLS 2025 in Toronto, offering their candid takes on the good, the bad, and the ugly of the event. From bold leadership discussions and MLS operational shifts to vendor frustrations and AI speculation, they cover the hot topics shaping the industry. The episode also dives into the Compass/Anywhere merger, vendor challenges, and how AI may (or may not) reshape real estate. Key Takeaways CMLS 2025 Recap: Despite venue issues, the conference featured s...
2025-10-0159 minListing BitsAndy Taylor and Greg Fischer of RetroRate - Assumable loan discoveryOverview Greg Robertson sits down with Andy Taylor and Greg Fischer from RetroRate to discuss assumable loans and their potential to reshape real estate transactions. They explore the history and career paths of both founders, the challenges of discoverability in MLSs, and how RetroRate aims to make assumable loans more visible and accessible for agents, buyers, and sellers. Key Takeaways Backgrounds of the founders: Andy Taylor: From gaming at EA, to Apple, to Redfin, to startups like Approved and Credit Karma. Greg Fischer: From brokerage and realtor.com to...
2025-09-2940 minIndustry RelationsThe MirrorThe Industry Relations Podcast is now available on your favorite podcast player! In this episode, Rob and Greg discuss the recent assassination of Charlie Kirk and its impact on the nation and the real estate industry. They reflect on the cultural divide, responses from industry leaders, and the broader implications for civil discourse within real estate and beyond. Key Takeaways Rob and Greg acknowledge the tragedy and its personal and national impact. The event highlights concerns about the erosion of civil debate and the celebration of violence. Industry responses...
2025-09-171h 02Industry RelationsHousing remedies and Compass musingsThe Industry Relations Podcast is now available on your favorite podcast player! Rob and Greg tackle the pressing issue of housing affordability, reacting to reports that the Trump administration may declare a national housing emergency. They debate potential federal approaches, including deregulation, incentives, zoning reform, and changes to mortgage lending. The conversation also shifts to Zillow's enforcement against exclusive listings and what the data may actually reveal about Compass's inventory. Key Takeaways Reports suggest the Trump administration is considering declaring a national housing emergency. Federal action is constrained by state and...
2025-09-1059 minListing BitsRich LaRue of HomesmartIn this episode of Listing Bits, Greg Robertson sits down with Rich LaRue, Designated Broker for HomeSmart Arizona and VP of Corporate Brokerages for HomeSmart's Western region. Rich shares his background in real estate, thoughts on exclusive listings and MLS rules, and his perspective on the evolving role of associations, NAR, and vendors in the industry. Key Takeaways Rich LaRue oversees over 12,500 agents across Arizona, California, Colorado, and Texas, with more than 40 years in the business . On exclusive listings: HomeSmart's stance is client-focused—market broadly unless specific client needs dictate otherwise . La...
2025-09-0148 minListing BitsRevive co-founder, Dalip Jaggi, shares his journeyIn this episode of the Listing Bits Podcast, Greg Robertson sits down with Dalip Jaggi, co-founder of Revive, to discuss his entrepreneurial journey and how Revive is helping homeowners maximize the value of their properties. Dalip shares how his early background in tech led him to real estate, the challenges and lessons of scaling a business, and Revive's unique approach to empowering homeowners through renovation and financial solutions. Key Takeaways Dalip's background: from web development and running an agency to launching Revive. Early exposure to real estate tech through working with "Rich Uncles"...
2025-09-0142 minIndustry RelationsOK Boomer.The Industry Relations Podcast is now available on your favorite podcast player! In this episode, Rob and Greg recap Inman Connect San Diego, discuss the current state of the real estate industry, and explore the hype and utility of AI in real estate. They cover industry gossip, shifting executive roles, macroeconomic forecasts, and heated disagreements on whether AI truly enhances the client experience. Key Takeaways Inman Connect Recap Greg shares his experience from Inman Connect, including a pre-party at his studio and the CEO Connect session. NAR Membership Projections...
2025-08-071h 01Listing BitsRentSpree, housing, and Michael Lucarelli's journey to proptech success.Greg Robertson sits down with Michael Lucarelli, CEO and co-founder of RentSpree, to explore how RentSpree streamlines rental transactions for agents, landlords, and tenants. They discuss RentSpree's growth, integration with MLSs and Associations, the role of rentals in agent business, and the increasing importance of data-driven tools for tenant screening and rental management. Michael also shares thoughts on how the rental ecosystem can be improved through standardization and better agent education. Key Takeaways RentSpree's Purpose: Simplifies rental workflows by offering a one-stop shop for applications, tenant screening, rent payments, and more. MLS Partnerships...
2025-07-3150 minIndustry RelationsPlans, within plans, within plansThe Industry Relations Podcast is now available on your favorite podcast player! In this episode, Rob and Greg dive into Zillow's legal strategy in its defense against Compass's lawsuit, focusing on Zillow's surprising claim that it only facilitates a "single-digit" percentage of real estate transactions. They debate the strategic implications of this position—especially how it could undermine Zillow's perception of power in the industry—and analyze the broader impact on listing presentations, MLS relationships, and competitors like Compass and Homes.com. They also preview the upcoming Inman Connect in San Diego and discuss potential industry sentiment and...
2025-07-3153 minIndustry RelationsLawsuits, Listings & Listings Fees The Industry Relations Podcast is now available on your favorite podcast player! In this episode, Rob and Greg cover recent legal decisions, MLS policy shifts, and major moves by real estate portals. They discuss the dismissal of Homie's lawsuit against NAR and large brokerages, examine NWMLS's new referral fee disclosure rule, and analyze the implications of Realtor.com acquiring Zenlist. The episode also reviews Homes.com's latest seller-focused marketing campaign and raises questions about portal strategy and industry alignment. Key Takeaways Homie v. NAR Lawsuit Dismissed – The case brought by Homie aga...
2025-07-231h 00Industry RelationsVibe BuyingThe Industry Relations Podcast is now available on your favorite podcast player! In this episode of Industry Relations, Rob and Greg tackle the thorny question of who should have access to real estate listing data. Prompted by a Wired article about college students using Zillow to assess classmates' wealth, Rob argues that the real estate industry should move some listing details—like interior photos and price history—behind a broker-consumer relationship. Greg pushes back, defending the value of open data and the impossibility of cleanly separating legitimate buyers from "random voyeurs." The conversation dives deep into VOW rule...
2025-07-1658 minIndustry RelationsMonopoly SchmonopolyThe Industry Relations Podcast is now available on your favorite podcast player! Overview In this episode of Industry Relations, Rob and Greg unpack the lawsuit Compass filed against Zillow over its ZLAS (Zillow Listing Agreement Standard) policy. They debate the strength of Compass's legal claims, the language cited in the complaint, and what the alleged behind-the-scenes meetings reveal about Zillow's influence in the real estate industry. Rob argues that Zillow is exercising monopoly power—even if it's not illegal—while Greg pushes back on whether that power is absolute or harmful. Key Takeaways C...
2025-07-0259 minListing BitsAI and compliance with Todd Carpenter of StyldodIn this episode of Listing Bits, Greg Robertson sits down with Todd Carpenter, SVP of Industry Relations at Styldod, to talk about the evolution of real estate technology—from mortgage lead gen to photo AI. They dive deep into how Styldod uses artificial intelligence to help agents with virtual staging, automate compliance workflows, and extract property data directly from listing photos. Todd also shares his career journey through early online mortgage startups, NAR, and RE.net culture to where he is today—working on AI-powered tools designed to modernize listing input and photo compliance for MLSs. Key Takea...
2025-06-3041 minIndustry RelationsTori Amos?The Industry Relations Podcast is now available on your favorite podcast player! Overview In this special episode of Industry Relations, Rob and Greg take a break from real estate to talk about one of their shared passions: music. They explore the most transformative artists and bands across genres from the 70s through today. Their conversation dives deep into the cultural impact of acts like Nirvana, Depeche Mode, NWA, and Metallica, and whether artists like Kanye West, Jay-Z, or Eminem changed the landscape or simply excelled within it. Key Takeaways What Makes an...
2025-06-2555 minIndustry RelationsThe thing about incentivesIn this episode of Industry Relations, Rob and Greg reflect on a recent panel discussion hosted by the Orange County Association of REALTORS®. They discuss the incentives that drive agent and broker behavior, the value and vulnerabilities of the MLS in a post-settlement world, and the broader structural changes facing the real estate industry. The first half of the conversation also includes a candid exchange on trades as a career path and the shifting economic landscape for young adults. Key Takeaways MLS Incentive Structures – A deep dive into how policy changes have affected the...
2025-06-1858 minIndustry RelationsNAR Midyear Recap and then some...In this episode of Industry Relations, Rob and Greg recap the 2025 NAR Midyear Meetings in Washington, D.C., discussing key industry developments, MLS policy changes, and behind-the-scenes dynamics. Topics include the repeal of the commingling ban, updates to NAR's controversial 10-5 speech policy, and ongoing MLS consolidation. They also cover vendor presence, association politics, and speculation around leadership changes in CMLS. Key Takeaways Compass "Protest" at Midyear – Greg recounts organizing a publicity stunt in front of Compass's hotel to promote Tuesday.com Repeal of Co-mingling Ban – Discussion on how NAR's r...
2025-06-1152 minIndustry RelationsBuyer's Market Fever DreamIn this episode of Industry Relations, Rob and Greg run a thought experiment: What if we're entering a true buyer's market? They walk through ten major industry topics—from antitrust litigation to portals, AI, and MLS relevance—and analyze how each might shift if buyers suddenly gained the upper hand. Along the way, they debate policy, technology, and market psychology, drawing connections between historical trends and current market signals. Watch us on YouTube! Links The U.S. Housing Market Has Nearly 500,000 More Sellers Than Buyers—the Most on Record. That Will Likely...
2025-06-041h 03Industry RelationsCui bono?In this episode of Industry Relations, Rob and Greg analyze Zillow's recently released ZLAS policy language and debate whether it reflects a shift in Zillow's priorities. They discuss the implications of allowing broker direct feeds, the enforcement challenges around delayed marketing, and whether Zillow's current stance can still be considered "consumer first." The conversation also explores how MLSs and major brokerages are interpreting ZLAS and how this policy intersects with Clear Cooperation rules and VOW/IDX frameworks. Watch us on YouTube! Links Howard Hanna in open rebellion against Clear Cooperation Policy...
2025-05-2857 minIndustry RelationsBe Careful What You Wish ForIn this episode of Industry Relations, Rob and Greg examine CoStar's recent announcement that Homes.com will boost listings banned on Zillow. They discuss whether this strategy is aimed at consumers or brokers, and whether it signals a broader battle for power in the real estate portal space. They also explore the potential implications of a proposed Illinois bill that would require public listing access by law, and debate what government involvement could mean for MLSs, agents, and listing distribution. Watch us on YouTube! Links: Homes.com will 'boost' li...
2025-05-1452 minIndustry RelationsBack to booksIn this episode of Industry Relations, Rob and Greg discuss the broader cultural trend of returning to physical, human-centered experiences amid rapid advances in technology and AI. They explore topics ranging from Compass's decision to print physical listing books to the rise of tabletop gaming, and examine whether real estate's resistance to full automation is part of a wider pushback against digital efficiency. Key Takeaways Printed Listing Books – Compass's return to printed materials prompts a discussion about whether real estate is experiencing a retro shift. AI in Real Estate – Spec...
2025-05-0751 minListing BitsMeet Ben Kinney, the new owner of RemineIn this episode of Listing Bits, Greg Robertson sits down with Ben Kinney, CEO and co-founder of Place, to talk about Place's acquisition of Remine, how Ben built his PropTech empire from the ground up, and what's next for the platform. Ben shares his personal journey from growing up in rural Washington to building a half-billion-dollar business, and lays out his vision for supporting agents, MLSs, and consumers through technology, services, and long-term stability. Key Takeaways Place Acquires Remine – Ben shares why his team bought Remine out of bankruptcy, what they plan to do with th...
2025-05-0651 minIndustry RelationsI don't think that word means what you think it means...In this episode of Industry Relations, Rob and Greg explore the evolving definition of an "open market" in real estate. They discuss how consumer expectations, technology shifts, and the dominance of platforms like Zillow are reshaping what it means for a listing to be considered publicly available. The conversation also covers the historical role of the MLS, comparisons to other industries, and whether the industry should rethink its terminology to focus on "fair marketplaces" instead of "open marketplaces." Key Takeaways Definition of Open Market – Rob and Greg discuss the historical and modern interpretations of...
2025-05-011h 00Listing BitsThe Amazing Annie Ives🎙️ Listing Bits Episode: The Amazing Annie Ives Host: Greg Robertson Guest: Annie Ives, CEO of The MLS™ / VestaPlus Duration: ~40 min 👋 Episode Summary: In this episode, Greg sits down with Annie Ives, a true titan in the world of organized real estate. From her early days immigrating from Tunisia to building and reviving one of the most resilient MLS organizations in the country, Annie shares her personal and professional journey with candor, humor, and a hint of rebellion. They cover everything fro...
2025-04-2441 minIndustry RelationsYou down with CCP?In this episode of Industry Relations, Rob and Greg examine how changes to MLS rules, especially around delayed marketing and the Clear Cooperation Policy (CCP), are impacting portals, broker strategies, vendors, and the broader real estate ecosystem. They also explore the implications of the Rocket-Redfin merger, challenges for MLS public-facing websites, and what the new data policy landscape means for technology providers. Key Takeaways • Portal Impact of CCP Changes – Rob and Greg analyze how platforms like Zillow, Redfin, Realtor.com, and Homes.com are adapting to rule changes. • Delayed Marketing and Public...
2025-04-2346 minListing BitsBrian Donnellan and the future of cooperation🎙️ Listing Bits: Brian Donnellan, CEO of Bright MLS Host: Greg Robertson Guest: Brian Donnellan, CEO of Bright MLS Episode Summary: Greg sits down with Bright MLS CEO Brian Donnellan for a candid conversation about leadership, music, and the shifting dynamics in real estate. They dive into design, the Clear Cooperation Policy, Wall Street's influence, and why cooperation—not just compensation—is the heart of MLS value. What You'll Learn: • Why Bright MLS invests so heavily in communication and design • How pl...
2025-03-2852 minIndustry RelationsHas the fat lady sung on CCP?**This podcast was recorded the Friday BEFORE the announcement from NAR on CCP** In this episode of Industry Relations, Rob and Greg dissect the latest drama surrounding NAR's Clear Cooperation Policy (CCP), the DOJ's stance on MLS rules, and the future of PropTech in a shifting real estate landscape. They analyze how recent DOJ statements are being interpreted (or misinterpreted), debate whether the MLS still holds power over large brokerages, and discuss the potential consequences of a fragmented listing system. Key Takeaways • DOJ's Footnote Controversy: Did the DOJ "call out" misleading claims about CC...
2025-03-261h 02Industry RelationsOrganized Real Estate's Head Spinning WeekIn this episode of Industry Relations, Rob and Greg break down three major real estate bombshells—the rumored Compass acquisition of Berkshire Hathaway HomeServices (BHHS), the Redfin-Rocket merger, and the potential shake-up of NAR's Clear Cooperation Policy (CCP). They discuss whether Compass is actually in talks with BHHS or if this is just Wall Street speculation, how Redfin and Rocket could disrupt the brokerage model, and why NAR might be making CCP optional to dodge legal liability. Key Takeaways • Compass x BHHS Rumors: Wall Street Journal reported that Compass was acquiring BHHS—but BHHS CEO Gino Bl...
2025-03-1953 minListing BitsA floor plan with every listingIn this episode of Listing Bits, Greg Robertson is joined by Megan McFarlane from New Mexico MLS and Jeff Allen from CubiCasa to discuss the growing importance of floor plans in real estate listings. They dive into why New Mexico MLS has taken the bold step of requiring floor plans on every listing, how technology like CubiCasa is making this easier, and the industry-wide momentum pushing for more complete and transparent listing content. Key Takeaways • New Mexico MLS's Bold Move: Why they made floor plans mandatory and how it enhances listing accuracy and con...
2025-03-1338 minIndustry RelationsMore questions than answersIn this episode of Industry Relations, Rob and Greg tackle three major industry shake-ups: Gary Keller selling a stake in Keller Williams, REX losing its lawsuit against NAR and Zillow, and the launch of a new NAR alternative, AREA, by Mauricio Umansky and Jason Haber. They debate what these moves mean for the future of real estate, the ongoing battle over commission structures, and whether the DOJ's real target is the MLS monopoly. If you're looking for sharp analysis with a side of sarcasm, this episode delivers. Key Takeaways • Keller Williams Goes Private Equi...
2025-03-131h 04Industry RelationsThe Duel over Dual AgencyIn this episode of Industry Relations, Rob and Greg dive into the controversy surrounding dual agency, private networks, and the MLS's role in protecting small brokers. They break down the industry's long-standing acceptance of brokerage-level dual agency while questioning why teams are getting a pass. Plus, they debate whether Compass's push to double-end deals is just standard brokerage strategy—or an attempt to reshape the industry. If you want unfiltered takes on where real estate is headed, this episode is for you. Key Takeaways • Is Brokerage Dual Agency Bad? Rob argues that the indust...
2025-03-0554 minIndustry RelationsLive from the Virtual MLS Summit its Rob and Greg!Overview In this special live episode of Industry Relations, Rob and Greg broadcast from the Virtual MLS Summit, where they tackle one of the biggest questions in real estate today: What does "cooperation" mean in a post-settlement world? They explore how the industry's shift away from compensation impacts the role of MLSs, debate the long-standing relationship between brokerages and associations, and challenge whether MLSs should truly be considered "broker cooperatives." This episode is packed with bold insights, historical context, and plenty of Rob vs. Greg fireworks. Key Takeaways • The Evolution of Coo...
2025-02-1938 minIndustry RelationsWhat to do about ZombiesIn this episode of Industry Relations, Rob and Greg dive into one of the most heated debates yet—was NAR's fight for survival a necessary battle, or did it do more harm than good? They analyze the fallout from the settlement, discuss the rise of leaders like Michelle Harrington who are ditching corporate-speak for real talk, and debate whether NAR should have surrendered years ago to avoid the lawsuits entirely. Key Takeaways • Michelle Harrington's Blunt Truths: The First Team CEO calls the settlement "bulls***," and Rob and Greg love her authenticity. • Corpora...
2025-02-1258 minIndustry RelationsMLS Reset RecapIn this episode of Industry Relations, Rob and Greg recap Greg's recent MLS Reset conference and dive into key industry insights. They discuss governance reform, competition between MLSs, data sharing agreements, and bold ideas for innovation in the real estate world. From pitch battles for tech innovation to thought-provoking commentary on leadership, this episode offers plenty of takeaways for industry professionals. Key Takeaways • MLS Reset Conference Recap: Greg shares highlights, including impactful presentations by Brian Boero, Michael Wurzer, and Curt Beardsley, Ben Graboske, who challenged the industry to embrace optimism. • Governance Reform: Rob emph...
2025-02-0556 minIndustry RelationsIt ain't over yetIn this episode of Industry Relations, Rob and Greg navigate the fallout from key legal decisions and the broader implications for the real estate industry. They analyze the Supreme Court's denial of NAR's cert petition, its potential effects on DOJ actions, and how shifting dynamics—such as commission lawsuits and housing market pressures—might reshape the landscape. The conversation also previews upcoming events and industry challenges that will define the next chapter of real estate. Key Takeaways • Supreme Court Denies NAR's Petition: What this decision means for DOJ's antitrust investigations and future legal battles...
2025-01-1546 minIndustry RelationsI Can't Make You Love MeIn this thought-provoking episode of Industry Relations, Rob and Greg explore the seismic changes shaking up the real estate world as Phoenix Realtors challenge the NAR three-way agreement. They delve into the implications of member-driven value propositions, whether NAR can reinvent itself, and the ongoing debate over what truly inspires and retains Realtor memberships. The conversation is a deep dive into the challenges and opportunities ahead for the industry. Key Takeaways • Phoenix Realtors' Bold Move: The Phoenix Association's MLS Choice Program creates a potential watershed moment, questioning the viability of NAR's three-way agreement. • Memb...
2025-01-081h 00Industry RelationsRob and Greg look ahead to 2025In this final episode of the year, Rob and Greg deliver their predictions for 2025, exploring how the real estate industry will evolve. They tackle everything from transaction volumes and mortgage rates to the fate of MLSs and the potential unraveling of the three-way agreement. Along the way, they discuss societal trends, like the importance of community and the role associations can play in bringing people together, while reflecting on industry dynamics and the future of key players like Realtor.com and Compass. Key Takeaways • Predictions for 2025: Rob and Greg forecast transaction numbers, mortgage rat...
2025-01-011h 01Industry RelationsSupply, Demand and Deregulation with Professor Bryan CaplanOverview In this special episode of Industry Relations, Rob and Greg welcome economist and author Professor Bryan Caplan to discuss his latest book, Build Baby Build: The Science and Ethics of Housing Regulation. The trio dives into the housing crisis, exploring how deregulation could address affordability, inequality, and other societal issues. Bryan's insights challenge conventional thinking, offering bold solutions for the future of housing. Key Takeaways • Core Argument: Bryan argues that excessive housing regulations have driven up costs, stifled innovation, and exacerbated inequality, advocating for widespread deregulation. • The 50% Reduction Claim...
2024-12-111h 04Industry RelationsUnderstanding both sides of the housing marketEpisode Summary: In this episode, Rob and Greg tackle the latest developments in the housing market and its broader implications for real estate professionals. From dissecting the DOJ's recent moves to exploring how transactions and home prices define market strength, the duo brings sharp insights and engaging commentary to these critical topics. Discussion Highlights: • DOJ's Statement of Interest: What it means for buyer agreements and competition in the real estate market. • Market Metrics Debate: Rob questions whether housing market health should be based on transactions and sales volume rather than...
2024-12-0458 minIndustry RelationsWhat the DOJ's recent Statement of Interest really means for real estateEpisode Summary: In this timely episode In this timely episode (recorded Monday, November 25), Rob and Greg dive deep into the DOJ's recent statement of interest in the Burnett settlement. They break down the key points raised, including the potential antitrust concerns surrounding the requirement for buyers to sign agreements before home tours and the broader implications for real estate brokers and agents. The discussion highlights: • The DOJ's clarification that compliance with the NAR settlement does not shield brokers or agents from future antitrust actions. • Concerns about how the buyer agreem...
2024-11-2753 minIndustry RelationsThe knowns and unknowns of NAR leadership decisionsIn this episode of Industry Relations, Rob and Greg dive into the latest developments in the real estate world, focusing on leadership, membership dynamics, and the challenges facing NAR in 2024. They engage in a spirited debate about leadership priorities, assessing Nykia Wright's tenure as CEO, and what it takes to steer an organization during turbulent times. Key Takeaways • Leadership Dynamics: A breakdown of the responsibilities and criticisms of Nykia Wright's first year as CEO of NAR. • Membership Retention: Insights into how NAR has managed to retain members despite controversies and lawsuits. • Strateg...
2024-11-2058 minListing BitsBuilding Real Estate Technology: The Story of Real Geeks with Kevin McCarthyEpisode Summary: In this episode, Greg Robertson talks with Kevin McCarthy, co-founder and CEO of Real Geeks, about his journey from a small-town tech enthusiast to creating a leading real estate technology company. Kevin shares insights into Real Geeks' origins, its evolution, and how its all-in-one platform empowers real estate agents. The conversation touches on the early challenges of building a tech company, the role of SEO in the early internet era, and how AI is shaping the future of real estate technology. Key Topics Discussed: 1. The Birth of Real Geeks
2024-11-2054 minIndustry RelationsAnd they all fall down... Greg just landed back home from NAR Boston and Rob is curious to what insights he learned. Greg's main insight is that he isn't as young as he once was. 1. Election Impact on Real Estate: • Rob and Greg delve into the recent election results, exploring how potential changes in government could impact HUD and real estate policies. • Debate on the future leadership of HUD and the potential impacts on the industry. 2. National Association of Realtors (NAR) Conference Recap: • Greg shares insights from the recent NAR conferenc...
2024-11-1356 minListing BitsListing Bits Podcast: The Front-endless MLS System with Carlos Grass and Paul Hethmon of AmplifyOverview: Greg Robertson sits down with Carlos Grass and Paul Hethmon, co-founders of Amplify, to discuss their innovative "front-endless" MLS backend platform. This episode highlights Amplify's unique approach to creating a flexible, adaptable MLS backend designed to empower MLSs with greater control and cutting-edge technology. Key Takeaways: 1. Amplify's Mission and Flexibility: • Amplify offers a decoupled backend solution that allows MLSs to use multiple frontends, enabling greater customization, data control, and integration with new technologies. 2. Innovative Technology Integration: • The platform features advanced capabilities like natural language processing and mach...
2024-11-0646 minIndustry RelationsEndless Opportunities with Jack Miller of T360Overview: Rob and Greg talk with Jack Miller, CEO of T360, about the recently released "Opportunity Report" and its significance for the real estate industry. The discussion focuses on how real estate leaders can navigate current challenges and seize opportunities in the face of regulatory changes, declining transaction volume, and industry consolidation. Key Topics: 1. The Opportunity Report: • A newly released report from T360, available for free at theopportunityreport.com. • Provides a 100-page analysis of risks and opportunities in the real estate industry. • Includes insights...
2024-10-3058 minListing BitsListing Bits Podcast: Austin Allison, CEO of PacasoOverview: In this episode, Greg Robertson chats with Austin Allison, CEO of Pacaso, about his entrepreneurial journey in real estate, starting with Dotloop and transitioning to his current venture, Pacaso. The discussion covers lessons learned from his early career, how Pacaso is revolutionizing second home ownership, and insights into raising capital through innovative approaches like Regulation A. Key Takeaways: 1. Austin's Journey in Real Estate: • Austin Allison started his real estate career early, getting his license at 18. His early experiences selling homes during college inspired him to create Dotloop, which he...
2024-10-291h 05Industry RelationsCanned SpamIn the latest episode of Industry Relations, Rob and Greg venture into a thought-provoking discussion about disaster preparedness and self-reliance. While they typically focus on real estate, this episode broadens the scope, offering practical insights on how to be ready for unexpected emergencies like natural disasters or social unrest. Rob, who has fully embraced the prepper lifestyle, breaks down the importance of planning for short-term disasters, emphasizing the need for essential supplies like water, food, and basic medical skills. Rather than "bugging out" or fleeing, he encourages listeners to "bug in" — stay at home and rel...
2024-10-2352 minIndustry RelationsThe Industry Needs To Stop FrontingIt seems everyone in the industry is still obsessed with CCP. Rob and Greg are no different. The show starts off with Rob giving Greg some advice on his upcoming client meetings, but quickly shifts to the recent back and forth about CCP. Greg thinks that industry players like Compass CEO Robert Reffkin to stop spreading misinformation about MLS. Rob says there is blame on both sides. Things get interesting from there. Watch us on YouTube! Connect with Rob and Greg: Rob's Website Greg's Website Our...
2024-10-171h 01Industry RelationsWhadup with dat PDAP?Many people don't know or understand NAR's PDAP. PDAP stands for Participant Data Access Policy. And PDAP is at the heart of today's episode. Rob and Greg dive deep into the topic of who actually owns MLS data. The answer, as it turns out, really depends on who you ask. But we're living in a new world where private MLS ownership is becoming a reality, and also what are those second order consquences? Greg also catches up with Rob about Rob's meetings with brokers and their opinions on MLS data ownership—spoiler alert: they think they do. It's...
2024-10-0947 minIndustry RelationsTales from the RoadAfter missing a recording last week (due to travel schedules) the boys are back with another jammed pack episode of Industry Relations. In this week's episode Rob and Greg discuss recent Blueprint conference in Las Vegas, CMLS 2024 in Seattle and REColorado new subscriber agreement. And they sprinkle a little CCP talking points just for good measure. Watch us on YouTube! Pictures of Greg's sister, Pilar, winning her own award Pictures of Greg presenting at CMLS 2024 HousingWire post on REColorado acquisition Greg's take on Rob Reffkin's CMLS 2024 interview
2024-10-0259 minIndustry RelationsCCP MusingsOn this episode of Industry Relations Rob and Greg discuss, for what seems to be the 17th time, the current rumors about the Clear Cooperation Policy. Rob recently posted a few thoughts on the subject and a few solutions to what seems to have the entire industry tied up in knots. What they soon realize, there are no easy answers. Watch us on YouTube! Connect with Rob and Greg: Rob's Website Greg's Website Our Sponsors: CoreLogic Notorious VIP The Giant Steps Job Board...
2024-09-201h 03Industry RelationsReading the tea leaves too early and what may be coming nextRob and Greg are back to their regularly scheduled broadcast! The episode includes discussion on Landian, the new "a la carte" brokerage launched by Josh Sitzer, yes, that Sitzer. Rob discusses his recent Sub Stack post on "Amara's Law and Real Estate" and how we shouldn't read too much in to how things are going with the NAR settlement. The boys also discuss online dating, new business models, capitalism and agent count. But somehow they bring it all together. Watch us on You Tube! Connect with Rob and Greg: Rob's Website G...
2024-09-111h 03Industry RelationsIndustry Relations Podcast: iOi, NAR's new CEO, the CCP and other letters of the alphabetGreg joins Rob from Chicago where he was attending NAR's iOi Summit. Greg gives his experience of being at the iOi Summit and discusses the pitch battle and his favorite new app, Tuesday, and its founder Cole Boyer who won "Crowd Favorite". They go on to discuss NAR's decision to appoint Nykia Wright as their new CEO and if experience in organized real estate or connections in Washington D.C. really matter. As you can imgaine Greg and Rob have different opinions. They finish with discussing the ongoing rumors of the fate of Clear Cooperation Po...
2024-09-0557 minIndustry RelationsIndustry Podcast Mash-UpRob and Greg teamed up with James Dwiggins and Keith Robinson from the Real Estate Insiders Unfiltered podcast during the recent Inman Connect Las Vegas event. From the complexities of forms and commission sharing, to the pros and cons of state association forms, the guys got into it. They explored the potential for conspiracy charges in a post-settlement world and discussed the unintended consequences of recent MLS changes. They also tackled determining property value without compensation data, the future of buyer agent compensation models, and how portals are shaping the market. Sh...
2024-08-281h 00Industry RelationsEthics and Transparency in CommunicationAre you up to date on the recent changes in MLS rules and buyer agency agreements? In this episode, Rob and Greg dive into the controversy surrounding these updates and discuss the ethical implications for agents. From forgery to enforcement, confusion to challenges, this conversation covers a lot of ground. They shed light on the need for a substantive approach to reform in the real estate industry, while addressing the loss of trust between practitioners and those making the rules. With potential compression of commissions and uncertainty about the future of the industry, transparency and strong leadership are more...
2024-08-211h 02Industry RelationsForgery & HOA KarensAre you a real estate broker or agent grappling with the NAR settlement's requirement for written buyer agreements before showings? Rob and Greg dive deep into the controversy, debating the pros and cons of charging clients and exploring the potential consequences of non-compliance. They also discuss the evolving role of listing agents, the ethical dilemmas of dual agency, and the challenges of enforcing the new rules. Link to Melissa from Twitter Listen to the Industry Relations Podcast, available on all podcast platforms! Find, buy and protect the homes you love with CoreLogic.
2024-07-3158 minIndustry RelationsMeltdown: Is the End Near?The August 17th deadline is almost here, and the industry is abuzz with talk of potential changes to MLSs and associations. Rob and Greg discuss the latest developments in the NAR settlement with the DOJ and its potential impact on compensation models, forms, and client relationships. With disruption looming, they delve into the hot topic of buyer agent commissions and agreements, as well as how to continue demonstrating value to clients in this ever-changing landscape. Listen to the Industry Relations Podcast, available on all podcast platforms! Find, buy and protect the hom...
2024-07-2450 minIndustry RelationsIndustry Soup: Why the Human Touch Still MattersWhat happens when industry news is quiet? Industry soup. In this episode, Rob and Greg discuss various topics with an effort to draw parallels to real estate. From their weight loss strategies and detailed plan for a 60-day weight loss regimen to Tesla cars and the emotional connection people have with their vehicles. This conversation covers a lot. Touching on simplicity in design and analog experiences in a tech-driven world. Rob and Greg explore the potential future of technology and the importance of human interaction in both real estate and tech companies. L...
2024-07-1747 minIndustry RelationsReal Estate Forms: Consumer-Friendly or Industry-Driven?Are real estate forms truly consumer-friendly or are they just industry-driven? In this episode, Doug Miller and Wendy Gilch, Directors of CAARE (Consumer Advocates in American Real Estate), expose what they believe are the flaws in the current buyer agency agreements. From undisclosed dual agency to lack of cancellation clauses, these forms often prioritize the interests of industry competitors over consumers. Rob, Greg, Doug and Wendy explore potential solutions such as creating consumer-friendly templates and implementing amendments. They dive into the complexities of fiduciary responsibility and touch on hot-button topics like compensation and collusion. ...
2024-07-1055 minIndustry RelationsThe REcolorado Acquisition: A Red Pill Moment for BrokersThe recent acquisition of REcolorado by private equity firm GI Partners has sent shockwaves through the real estate industry. In this episode, Rob and Greg discuss the history of MLS privatization and the tensions between associations and MLSs. They shine a light on the lack of member control and power dynamics within the industry, exposing important truths about data ownership. This is a red pill moment for brokers and agents as they realize the potential risks and benefits of private equity ownership of MLSs. The duo also discuss the trend of decoupling and its potential im...
2024-07-0356 minIndustry RelationsEthical Considerations: MLS's Role in Regulating ConcessionsAre you confused about the new MLS policy on commission disclosures and concessions? In this thought-provoking discussion, Rob and Greg dive into the challenges and potential solutions for agents and brokers. Learn about the ethical considerations involved in disclosing commissions to clients and renegotiating buyer agency agreements. Plus, gain insights into the role of MLS in regulating concessions and why further education is crucial. Don't miss out on this must-watch conversation that seeks to shed light on a controversial topic. Share your thoughts and join the conversation by leaving a comment! And...
2024-06-2649 minIndustry RelationsThe Disconnect in InterpretationAre you struggling to understand the NAR settlement agreement and its implications for real estate transactions? Joining us in this thought-provoking episode is Ed Zorn, VP & General Counsel for CRMLS. Rob, Greg, and Ed talk about the disconnect between NAR's understanding and other lawyers' interpretations, and what it means for brokers and agents. They dive into topics such as the risk of coordinated action, liability concerns, and the role of MLSs in enforcing rules. They also discuss the concessions field in MLS listings and its potential impact on real estate transactions. This episode is packed wi...
2024-06-1957 minIndustry RelationsThe Vagueness of the Language and its ImplicationsYou may have heard the recent statements made by Michael Ketchmark regarding the NAR settlement, but do you really understand the implications for offers of compensation?In this episode, Rob and Greg discuss the recent statements made by Michael Ketchmark regarding the NAR settlement. They analyze the settlement agreement and try to understand the implications for offers of compensation. They explore different interpretations of the agreement and the potential legal actions that could be taken. They also address the introduction of concession fields in MLS listings and the possibility of offering compensation off the MLS. Do...
2024-06-1252 minIndustry RelationsBravery and Impact of the MLS StanceHave you been keeping up with the latest updates in MLS policies? Rob and Greg break down the key details of Bright MLS's clear cooperation policy and NWMLS's decision not to remove compensation data from their system. But it doesn't stop there. They also dive into the potential legal consequences for fair housing violations and federal antitrust claims. They also touch on the Department of Justice's involvement, implications for the industry, and potential risks for Northwest MLS and other players in the market. Listen to the Industry Relations Podcast, available on all...
2024-06-0539 minIndustry RelationsThe Potential Implications of Dropping CCPAre the rumors true? Is Bright MLS really going to drop the Clear Cooperation Policy (CCP)? Rob and Greg explore the potential implications of this decision, and speculate on the motivations behind it and its potential impact on NAR's authority over MLSs. They also talk about the importance of fair housing and transparency in listings, and how this decision could affect competition within the MLS industry. #BrightMLS #ClearCooperationPolicy #CCP #NAR #FairHousing #Transparency #Listings #Competition #Product #MandatoryRule Listen to the Industry Relations Podcast, available on all podcast platforms! Find, buy and protect th...
2024-05-3044 minIndustry RelationsPortal Wars and Raising the Bar at NARWho is winning the portal wars? In this episode Rob and Greg talk about the future of the MLS and debate which company they would bet their life savings on – Zillow, REALTOR.com, or Homes.com. Providing insights into these key players of the industry. They also tackle updates on the NAR settlement and how new technologies are shaping the industry. Plus, don't miss their discussion on the influx of new agents in the industry and its effects on professionalism. From separating bad unethical agents from trusted ones to the importance of prioritizing clients' best inte...
2024-05-221h 00Industry RelationsWalking the Line - Words MatterWhat is the difference between the threat of steering in an illegitimate way and being transparent and informing your client? In this episode, Rob and Greg discuss the difference between steering and fiduciary duty in real estate and other various topics including Greg's recent trip to Boston, Redfin's settlement with NAR, the enforcement of buyer showing agreements, and the potential actions of the DOJ. They also touch on the proposal for making housing affordable and the MLS execs walking out of a meeting. Highlighting the challenges and implications of these issues for the real estate industry.
2024-05-1545 minIndustry RelationsZillow's Touring Agreement and Consumer Experience Simping With buyer agreements having to take place before a showing and Zillow's new touring agreement what will the end consumer experience be? In this episode, Rob and Greg discuss updates on the NAR settlement and Zillow's new touring agreement. They explore the implications of the settlement for big brokers and the role of the MLS policy committee. They break down Zillow's touring agreement and the industry's reaction to it, highlighting the friction it creates in the seamless consumer experience. This friction resulted in a heated debate between the two, but agreed on the importance of professionalism and v...
2024-05-081h 00Industry RelationsThe $250M Settlement That will Impact the IndustryHomeServices of America has reached a settlement in the slew of commission lawsuits. Now that a huge domino has fallen, what will happen next in the industry? Rob and Greg discuss the next steps in the commission lawsuits and the potential challenges faced by copycat lawsuits. They also discuss the role of lawyers and the potential opt-out strategy for larger builders. And how fair are these settlements and will it potentially impact recruiting and retention efforts? They discuss other major players like Compass, Keller Williams, and EXP, bringing to light the dynamic changes in the la...
2024-05-0157 minIndustry RelationsCoStar Acquires Matterport: The Photography WarsHow will CoStar's recent buyout of Matterport affect the industry? In this episode Rob and Greg dive into the recent acquisition of Matterport by CoStar and how Rob and Greg predicted this years ago. How will Zillow respond? And how will other industry giants such as Redfin be affected by this huge announcement? They also talk about Realtor.com's CEO, Damian Eales, and his plans to expand the portal's offerings. But beyond the competition between these portals lies an important conversation about raising the bar in the industry and eliminating low-quality agents for the betterment o...
2024-04-2442 minIndustry RelationsUnpacking Pulte Group's Objection to the NAR SettlementJoin Rob and Greg in this episode as they talk about the recent objection filed by Pulte Homes to the NAR settlements. Are they valid and will they make an impact? Also, what is Real Estate 3.0? Greg expands on what it means and how it will shift the roles of agents. Rob shares his insights from a recent panel he attended and what the potential for state regulators intervening in commission decoupling could mean for the industry. They also take a bit of a Q & A during this special livestream episode. #NARsettlement #RealEstate3.0 Listen to the Industry...
2024-04-1951 minIndustry RelationsNAR's Continuing Legal BattlesNot one week goes by without some huge industry news surrounding NAR. In this episode, Rob ang Greg discuss the D.C. Circuit Court of Appeals' reversal in the NAR vs. US lawsuit, paving way for a new probe in the wake of the pending commission lawsuit settlement. Rob and Greg explore the antitrust lawsuit's history, implications of the reversal, and how it aligns with their predictions for the industry and future of NAR. Greg talks about the NAR-DOJ agreement and potential political impacts, while Rob focuses on the long-term effects. The dynamic duo stress o...
2024-04-1054 minIndustry RelationsThe NAR Settlement Part 2Did you catch the sparks fly on the last episode of Industry Relations? In case you missed it, last week Rob and Greg got into a verbal fistfight. Made up. Became friends again. And are now ready for round 2. Rob and Greg continue their NAR settlement talk, post verbal tussle. Exploring NAR's $418 million settlement, they talk about the association's PR challenges, trust issues, and internal rifts. Questioning leadership and missed PR opportunities, they call for urgent reform. Facing a crucial crossroads, the industry risks becoming a societal scapegoat. Rob and Greg urg...
2024-04-0354 minIndustry RelationsThe NAR Settlement: The Good, the Bad, and the UnknownWhat will the recent NAR settlement mean for the future of real estate, technology, and industry navigation? In this episode of Industry Relations, Rob and Greg discuss the outcomes of the recent NAR settlement. They provide insights on the agreement, exploring their reactions and perspectives on the settlement's details. From provisions to backlash, they discuss public perception, legal frameworks, and implications for agents, brokers, and the market. During the discussion, Rob and Greg also disagree with one another at times, and fight like a married couple. After this episode discussing the NAR lawsuit, yet again, should the guys take...
2024-03-271h 00Industry RelationsA Multi-Million Dollar Settlement: Unpacking NAR's Landmark Deal with the DOJTune in to this must-listen episode of *Industry Relations* for an incisive breakdown of the NAR's landmark settlement, its ramifications, and the many lingering questions that promise to shape the discourse in real estate circles for years to come. Whether you're a real estate professional, an industry watcher, or just keen on understanding the forces shaping one of the economy's key sectors, this episode is for you. In a pivotal episode of Industry Relations, hosts Rob Hahn and Greg Robertson dive deep into a recent seismic shift within the real estate horizon—The National Association of Realtors (NA...
2024-03-2042 minIndustry RelationsIs the Real Estate Industry Getting Their Mojo Back?What does the future hold for real estate commissions? On this episode of Industry Relations, Rob and Greg discuss the Clarity event and the legal updates regarding real estate commissions. They explore the concept of concessions and the issue of steering in the industry, the need for improved buyer agency agreements and buyer presentations and the defiance of industry professionals and the potential impact of government regulations on real estate commissions. Rob and Greg also cover various topics related to the real estate industry, including the myth of the Australian model, the reality of real estate commissions, the relationship...
2024-03-1348 minIndustry RelationsDoes NAR have a competence problem?Who bears the brunt of legal defense costs? What financial toll does this uncertainty cast on associations? On this episode of Industry Relations, Rob and Greg dive into the pressing issues faced by the National Association of Realtors (NAR) and its profound impact on local associations, MLSs and brokers. The insurance dilemma that has recently come to light, along with the unclear communication and lack of transparency from NAR is concerning to put it mildly. And the conversation doesn't stop at insurance mishaps. Rob and Greg confront the broader issue plaguing the real estate industry - a...
2024-02-2852 minIndustry RelationsDOJ Drops Statement of Interest in the Nosalek CaseWhat impact will the Department of Justice's stance on the MLS settlement have on the future of buying and selling houses? In this important episode of "Industry Relations," Rob and Greg talk about a big message from the Department of Justice (DOJ) about the MLS settlement. The DOJ seems to want the court to say no to the settlement. Selling agents might not make as much money as before, and buyers agents might need to show why they're worth their commission more than ever. It's time to start thinking about how we can prepare for change and innovate new...
2024-02-2158 minIndustry RelationsSuper Bowl Ripplesultimate cost warrant the spotlight? On this episode of Industry Relations, Rob and Greg discuss Homes.com's momentous marketing push running an ad during the most watched event in America – the Super Bowl. And its potential ripple effects on industry giants like Zillow. Rob and Greg also revisit the real estate industry's current legal battles. The buzz around the Keller Williams settlement and with consolidation on the horizon, how will ongoing lawsuits reshape the future landscape for real estate professionals? Listen to the Industry Relations Podcast, available on all podcast platforms! Fol...
2024-02-1451 minIndustry RelationsThe FCC's New Rules on Lead Aggregators & Real EstateHow will the FCC's new rules on lead aggregators affect real estate professionals? On this episode of Industry Relations, Rob and Greg talk to Matthew Marx of Evocalize about how to stay compliant while still effectively marketing themselves. One of the biggest changes is that lead aggregators will now be required to obtain consent from consumers before obtaining their personal information. So what do real estate professionals who use lead aggregators need to do? Tune in to find out! Follow this link for Matt's Evocalize FCC TCPA Advisor Chat Bot. Connect with Matt o...
2024-02-0756 minIndustry RelationsFree Advice to AREA: Focus on ProfessionalismIs the real estate industry ready for an alternative to NAR? On this episode of Industry Relations, Rob and Greg talk about the American Real Estate Association, also known as AREA, being positioned as a potential replacement for NAR. As it appears no crisis goes to waste, real estate agents across the country are bracing themselves for what could be the ultimate showdown. It's the potential battle of the acronyms: NAR versus AREA, NLS versus PLS, and so many more. What lessons can we learn from NAR's recent struggles, and what do these new organizations mean for the industry...
2024-01-3154 minIndustry RelationsWhy Smaller Associations & MLS Organizations Should Make a Deal SoonHow are the FCC rules on lead generation reshaping the insurance and real estate industries? In this episode, Rob and Greg break down the new FCC rules on lead generation and how they are impacting the insurance and real estate industries. Learn how these rules aim to prevent automated robo calls or texts without clear consumer disclosure. Rob and Greg explore the implications for industries like insurance and real estate, including lead resale and lead distribution platforms such as Zillow and Redfin. They also speculate on potential changes for Redfin, such as providing a list of partner agents when...
2024-01-2446 minIndustry RelationsDoes the industry need so many REALTORS?Is this industry saturated with REALTORS? Will the part-time real estate agent fall by the wayside? Join Rob and Greg as they discuss industry evolution, challenges in obtaining accurate statistics, and the impact of part-time agents. They reflect on historical decisions, and propose solutions such as restricting REALTOR membership and implementing apprenticeship programs. Listen now to gain insights and thought-provoking solutions for the real estate industry! Listen to the Industry Relations Podcast, available on all podcast platforms! Follow this link to subscribe to Industry Relations YouTube page Listen to the podcast o...
2024-01-1756 minListing BitsListing Bits EP080: Does 'Your Listing, Your Lead' Jive with IDX Attribution Policy? – with Michael Wurzer, Greg Fischer & Andy WoolleyTwo years ago, NAR policy was updated to give brokers and agents attribution rights, meaning they get to decide how they appear in listings. But Homes.com employs a 'your listing, your lead' model, displaying the listing agent's contact information. So, does this comply with NAR's attribution policy? And what else do we need to think about as companies like Zillow and Homes.com switch to IDX? On this episode of Listing Bits, Michael Wurzer, CEO of real estate software company FBS, Greg Fischer, Owner of indie...
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