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The Libertarian Christian Podcast
What Hath Geneva To Do With Ancapistan? with Gregory Baus
Gregory Baus of the Reformed Libertarians Podcast joins Cody Cook to discuss how he grounds his libertarian views as a Reformed Christian. As an Anabaptist Christian, Cody was a little skeptical at the start of the conversation; but tune in to hear Gregory make his case! While he comes at it from a different direction, Cody concludes that he makes a good argument.Audio Production by Podsworth Media - https://podsworth.com Use code LCI50 for 50% off your first order at Podsworth.com to clean up your voice recordings and also support LCI!
2026-01-16
1h 05
The LCI Greenroom: Open & Unscripted
How to Reclaim Culture Without the Ring of Power: Reforming Christianity and Natural Law with Greg Baus
In this episode of the Biblical Anarchy Podcast, Jacob Winograd delves into the complex interplay between Christian cultural engagement and political theory within a reformed theological framework. Joined by Gregory Baus from the Reformed Libertarians podcast, they tackle the intricate doctrines of common and special grace, eschatology, and the two kingdoms' perspective, while challenging the misuse of these ideas in modern political discourse, particularly in relation to Christian Nationalism. Jacob and Greg discuss the distinctions between personal and national ethics, the pitfalls of radical retreatism, and the importance of a coherent, biblically grounded approach to cultural transformation.
2025-08-06
1h 11
Honest To Pod
How I Became A Reformed-Christian Libertarian-Anarchist
text version: https://libertarianchristians.com/2025/02/19/a-reformed-path-to-libertarian-anarchism/ Gregory Baus recounts some of the biographical factors in his becoming a Reformed-Christian Libertarian-Anarchist.
2025-02-20
16 min
The Reformed Libertarians Podcast
Ep. 21: Two Kingdoms and Christian Cultural Activity
A discussion of a Reformed Two Kingdoms view, and the possibility of a distinctively Christian view of the believer’s cultural activity according to an orthodox Neo-Calvinism, in contrast with a Scholastic view. Key points from episodes 4 and 19 are summarized, and the Two Kingdoms view being addressed is described. The use of the term Scholasticism is explained against an objection. And a key difference between Neo-Calvinism and a Scholasticized view is variously illustrated.https://reformedlibertarians.com/021Main Points of Discussion00:00 Introduction00:32 Episode description02:08 Key points from episode 4 on Christian cu...
2024-12-21
42 min
The Reformed Libertarians Podcast
Ep. 19: The Myth Of Religious Neutrality
A reading of edited excerpts from the article “On The General Relation Of Religion, Metaphysics, and Science” by Dr Roy A. Clouser, presenting the Neo-Calvinist view of what has been called The Myth Of Religious Neutrality. The predominant Scholastic view of the general relation is summarized, followed by a summary of the Neo-Calvinist, or Reformational view. According to the Neo-Calvinist view, the way in which religious belief guides theories is then summarized, the view of religious belief is further explained, how religious belief within a given metaphysics affects science is further explained, and a prominent objection is answered. ht...
2024-09-12
45 min
Honest To Pod
About Reformed 'Close' Confessional Communion
: Why "credible profession of faith" of penitent, baptized church members is not the biblically sufficient criterion for admission to the Lord's Supper text version: https://honest2blog.blogspot.com/2024/04/about-close-confessional-communion.html The usual standard for admission to the Lord's Supper in Orthodox Presbyterian Church (and other NAPARC) congregations is that the would-be communicant have a credible profession of faith in the gospel, live penitently, and be a baptized member of a gospel-believing church. The confessional Presbyterian & Reformed view of close communion or confessional communion is not widely known or understood today. Gregory Baus describes the Reformed close/confessional view in...
2024-08-28
13 min
Bob Murphy Show
Gregory Baus Explains Reformed Libertarianism
Along with Kerry Baldwin, Gregory Baus co-hosts the Reformed Libertarians podcast. After first explaining Reformed theology in relation to other Christian perspectives, Greg discusses its relevance for libertarians.Mentioned in the Episode and Other Links of Interest:The YouTube version of this interview.The Monetary Metals 12% silver opportunity.Details for the 2024 ExPat Money Summit.About Gregory Baus. The Reformed Libertarians Podcast (RLP).The disestablishment from the time of the English Civil War.Westminster Confession and catechisms.The 5 "Solas."Canons of Dort (TULIP).RC Sproul's series on Reformed Theology.RLP Episode 2, on Romans 13; Episode 3, arguments for anarchism; and...
2024-08-16
1h 36
Cantus Firmus
What hath Geneva to do with Ancapistan? – Can Reformed Christians Be Libertarian? (w/ Gregory Baus)
Gregory Baus of the Reformed Libertarians Podcast was my guest to discuss how he grounds his libertarian views as a Reformed Christian. As an Anabaptist […]
2024-03-13
1h 08
Honest To Pod
About Sphere Sovereignty
Speaking with Jacob Winograd of the Biblical Anarchy Podcast about societal sphere sovereignty. See shownotes here: https://reformedlibertarians.com/episode/gregory-baus-on-sphere-sovereignty-biblical-anarchy-podcast/ Also see: https://reformedlibertarians.com/reformed-libertarianism-statement/
2024-02-19
30 min
Honest To Pod
Reformed Anarchism - Intro and Appeal
Pastor Nate Xanders and Gregory Baus begin discussing the What Is Reformed Anarchism? statement, also appearing as What Is Reformed Libertarianism? , https://reformedlibertarians.com/reformed-libertarianism-statement/ The origin and purpose of the document and the basic idea of Reformed libertarian anarchism is explained. An appeal is made for consideration of these ideas by, and discussion about them with, leaders in the NAPARC (North American Presbyterian And Reformed Council) denominations. This is the first in a series of 18 videos/audios that can be found here: https://reformedlibertarians.com/episode/what-is-reformed-anarchism-a-series-with-pastor-nate-xanders/
2024-02-13
17 min
The Reformed Libertarians Podcast
BONUS: Should Christian Libertarians Reject Biblical Inerrancy?
A reading of Kerry Baldwin’s article on biblical inerrancy, which discusses a blog post by Pete Enns in which he says why he believes the Bible has errors, and no one is obligated to obey Romans 13. Resources for a better (non-biblicist) view of inerrancy and a better view of Romans 13 are recommended. The hosts also give an update about new episodes.https://reformedlibertarians.com/bonusB00:00 Start00:09 Update00:49 Intro to Kerry's article01:46 Enns wrong on Romans 1304:42 Enns confuses biblical inerrancy with biblicism07:03 A non-biblicist view of inerrancy08:35 A better vi...
2024-01-25
12 min
City Square
Define reformed theology
On this week's podcast episode, we have the pleasure of hosting Gregory Baus, the co-host of the Reformed Libertarians Podcast. He's an independent writer, theologically refromed and politically libertarian. Gregory shares insights into merging reformed theology and political libertarianism, exploring how these principles align in ways that honor and glorify God. Tune in as we delve into the fusion of reformed perspectives and navigate the complexities of our current political landscape.
2023-12-09
1h 14
The Biblical Anarchy Podcast
Ep. 42: Why Isn't the State Biblically Justified? Resolving Romans 13 Objections, with Greg Baus
In this episode of the Biblical Anarchy podcast, Jacob sits down to talk with Gregory Baus, one of the hosts of the Reformed Libertarians Podcast. The focus was on the confessionally Reformed "political resistance" or prescriptive-office view of Romans 13 (although the interpretation and its logical argumentation doesn't exclusively depend upon being confessionally reformed). The discussion delved into the biblical interpretation regarding civil governance ordained by God, diverging from the prevalent providential view often associated with the state's role. The episode referenced crucial articles and discussions, including a Reformed Libertarians article available. It explored the writings of early...
2023-11-29
1h 24
The Chris Spangle Show
Can Reformed Libertarianism Counter Christian Nationalism? With Kerry Baldwin and Gregory Baus
Christian Nationalism, Theonomy, and monarchism are on the rise in libertarian circles. The hosts of the Reformed Libertarians Podcast, Kerry Baldwin and Gregory Baus, join my to explain why the Reformed stream of Christianity is compatible with libertarianism, and why it offers a peaceful alternative to Christian Nationalism.* Follow the show at reformedlibertarians.com.* Transcript - https://share.descript.com/view/qaDVvrw7pNoGuest Notes: Note: At 42:05 Gregory accidentally said Moses when he meant to say "another covenant with NOAH."About The Reformed Libertarians PodcastThe Reformed...
2023-11-28
1h 05
The Chris Spangle Show
Can Reformed Libertarianism Counter Christian Nationalism? With Kerry Baldwin and Gregory Baus
Christian Nationalism, Theonomy, and monarchism are on the rise in libertarian circles. The hosts of the Reformed Libertarians Podcast, Kerry Baldwin and Gregory Baus, join my to explain why the Reformed stream of Christianity is compatible with libertarianism, and why it offers a peaceful alternative to Christian Nationalism. Follow the show at reformedlibertarians.com. Transcript - https://share.descript.com/view/qaDVvrw7pNo https://youtu.be/CTYbcxPdTdY See all of the show notes at ChrisSpangle.com.About The Reformed Libertarians PodcastThe Reformed Libertarians Podcast aims to...
2023-11-28
1h 07
The Biblical Anarchy Podcast
Ep. 25: Sphere Sovereignty: What Does the Bible Teach Us About Authority? with Gregory Baus
In this episode, I revisit a conversation I had with Greg Baus, fellow LCI and Christians For Liberty Network Podcast Host, on the topic of Sphere Sovereignty, which is a Reformed concept that deals with how God has ordered Creation, and how different types of human authority are to interact with each other. The Biblical Anarchy Podcast (https://BiblicalAnarchyPodcast.com) is part of the Christians For Liberty Network (https://christiansforliberty.net), a project of the Libertarian Christian Institute (https://libertarianchristians.com). Audio Production by Podsworth Media - https://podsworth.com
2023-06-07
1h 33
The Broken Vessels Podcast
Episode 32: Brokenness and Christian Nationalism: Guests Kerry Baldwin and Gregory Baus of The Reformed Libertarians Podcast
My guests, Kerry Baldwin of Mereliberty.com, Dare to Think Podcast and The Reformed Libertarians Podcast, and her co-host, Gregory Baus, discuss the topic of Christian Nationalism. We talk about the ideology as well as its implications to us as believers and how it causes brokenness in the church and in our lives individually. Show Notes: Kerry Baldwin is an independent researcher and writer with a B.A. in Philosophy from Arizona State University. She is the co-author of Faith Seeking Freedom: Libertarian Christian Answers to Tough Questions. In addition to her content and courses he...
2023-04-24
1h 17
The Biblical Anarchy Podcast
Ep. 14: Does the Conquest of Canaan Conflict with Anarchism?
In this episode, I sit down with fellow CFLN podcast host Gregory Baus, for a discussion on the conquest of Canaan as depicted in the OT Scripture. Often when talking about libertarian anarchist philosophy or the libertarian critiques of the State, the topic of war comes up. Libertarian anarchists generally take oppositional positions on war, often depicting themselves as being anti-war on the whole. As Christians, our view on war should be, as with all things, be informed by a sound reading and understanding of Scripture. Often then the pushback from the Christian worldview against the anarchist...
2023-03-01
1h 04
California Liberty Project
Episode 32: Reformed Libertarians Kerry Baldwin and Gregory Baus
In Episode 32, my guests are Kerry Baldwin and Gregory Baus. Kerry and Gregory co-host the Reformed Libertarians podcast. We discussed several different topics including the relationship between Christianity, anarchy, and the state; Christian & libertarian approaches to abortion, prostitution, etc.; morality and the law; Romans Chapter 13; subsidiarity – and much more! Also, in the first few minutes of this episode, I discuss California’s simultaneous rain/flood emergency and never-ending “drought state of emergency.” California’s abusive laws and idiotic regulations have ensured that the state will always careen sinusoidally from one emergency to another – even though everyone knows in advance t...
2023-01-15
1h 09
Dare to Think | Mere Liberty Podcast
Reformed Libertarians with Gregory Baus
TIP JAR: https://donate.stripe.com/aEUdUE5YodhZgkUeUV Summary - Reformed Libertarians with Gregory Baus Today I’m announcing a new podcast that I’ve been working on and will be co-hosting. Many of you know that I’m a Reformed Christian who is also libertarian. But what you may not realize, is the extent to which my libertarian views are grounded in the Reformed faith. For the past years, I’ve been one of the only Reformed libertarians with a major platform. This has created a challenge to me to provide content on seeming...
2022-12-05
24 min
Dare to Think | Mere Liberty Podcast
Reformed Libertarians with Gregory Baus | Dare to Think Podcast
Mere Liberty Reformed Libertarians with Gregory Baus Summary – Reformed Libertarians with Gregory Baus Today I’m announcing a new podcast that I’ve been working on and will be co-hosting. Many of you know that I’m a Reformed Christian who is also libertarian. But what you may not realize, is the extent to which my libertarian views are grounded in the Reformed faith. […] This post Reformed Libertarians with Gregory Baus first appeared on Mere Liberty and is written by Kerry Baldwin.
2022-12-02
00 min
The Reformed Libertarians Podcast
Ep. 4: How Should Christians View Culture and What Are Some Mistaken Views?
Discussion of the first subsection of the Reformed Libertarianism statement about culture. Also discussed are the significance of the fall into sin, common curse, redemption, and eschatology in relation to culture; as well as subjective sanctification of Christians' cultural activity, contrast of neocalvinist with scholastic and biblicist (or theonomic) views, and transformationalism.https://reformedlibertarians.com/00400:00 start00:32 Episode description00:55 Subsection 1.a. human production01:30 Defining culture Genesis 1:26-28; 2:15; 9:1-704:30 The Reformed Libertarianism Statement & Principles https://reformedlibertarians.com/reformed-libertarianism-statement/04:44 Why is understanding culture important?06:24 The fall...
2022-11-17
33 min
The Libertarian Christian Podcast
Ep 300: Special: The Christians for Liberty Network
We're celebrating the 300th episode of the Libertarian Christian Podcast! This episode was streamed live on Friday, November 11th, 2022. To commemorate this milestone, we announced a big new project: The Christians for Liberty Network (CFLN). This is a network of podcasts that share our mission of educating people about the intersection of faith and politics. Joining CFLN are Mike Maharrey of the Godarchy podcast, Jacob Winograd of the Biblical Anarchy (Daniel 3) podcast, and we've also launched a brand new podcast called the Reformed Libertarians podcast, with Kerry Baldwin and her co-host, Gregory Baus, who is new to LCI. In...
2022-11-15
1h 35
The Reformed Libertarians Podcast
Ep. 2: What Does Romans 13 Say About Civil Government?
A discussion of the main points of Gregory Baus' article on the historical, confessionally Reformed view of Romans 13 and a Reformed view of stateless civil governance. Also there's elaboration on lex talionis and the non-aggression principle, the Old Testament (Mosaic Covenant) theocracy, and establishmentarianism.https://reformedlibertarians.com/002Main Points of Discussion00:00 start00:33 episode description01:02 article https://tinyurl.com/r13civgov audio version https://tinyurl.com/r13stateless01:22 summary of preliminaries02:22 lex talionis and the non-aggression principle05:43 distinction between civil governance (viz, a...
2022-11-10
20 min
The Reformed Libertarians Podcast
Ep. 1: The Reformed Libertarians Podcast Introduction
An introduction to what Reformed means, and what libertarian means with its connection to Reformed. The hosts introduce themselves, and say a word about who the podcast is for.https://reformedlibertarians.com/00100:00 start00:32 episode description00:55 What do we mean by Reformed?02:01 The Affair Of The Sausages https://reformedforum.org/podcasts/ctc357/03:31 Historical orthodox Protestants agree on early creeds about Trinity and Christ (among other doctrines), and the "5 Solas" https://alliancenet.org/cambridge-declaration/ and differ on certain specific points in their respective confessions04:46 By Reformed we...
2022-11-04
19 min
Gospel on Tap
Reformed Resistance with Gregory Baus
Pastor Aldo Leon discusses resistance from a reformed perspective with Gregory Baus. Some references in the conversation are:Gregory's Profile: https://sites.google.com/site/ideolog Bibliography: https://tinyurl.com/RefoPoliResistBib Gregory's Blog: https://honest2blog.blogspot.com
2022-08-02
1h 38
Curiosity Weekly
Pee Pee Concrete, Black Diamond from Space, Electric Plane
Today, you’ll learn about an unusual proposal to use human tinkle to make buildings on Mars, a billion-year-old black diamond with an interstellar history and what it’s going to take for airplanes to become totally electric. A very unusual proposal to use human waste products could allow us to build on Mars. Researchers propose making concrete with human bodily fluids by Hunter Dulayhttps://sciworthy.com/researchers-propose-making-concrete-with-human-bodily-fluids/Mars explorers might make concrete-like materials from their own blood and urine by Amanda Kooserhttps://www.cnet.com/science/mars-explorers-might-make-concrete-like-materials-from-their-own-blood-and-urine/Concrete on Mar...
2022-04-14
14 min
Dare to Think | Mere Liberty Podcast
Mistaken Christian Views of Culture
Mistaken Christian Views of Culture | Show Notes TIP JAR: https://donate.stripe.com/aEUdUE5YodhZgkUeUV Summary American Christians are no stranger to the idea of culture. But there are number of ways in which they treat the Christian's relation to culture poorly. Some mistaken Christian views of culture are derived from two broader theoretical views: Scholasticism and Theonomy. This is part two of my interview with Gregory Baus. Listen to part one here: Rethinking a Reformed Christian View of Culture In Scholastic views, for example, the tendency is to view culture as...
2022-03-18
28 min
Honest To Pod
Reformed Biblical-Theological Foundations for Christian Cultural Activity
Gregory Baus' text here: https://honest2blog.blogspot.com/2022/01/reformed-biblical-theological.html The question is: After the fall, are believers now able in Christ to eschatologically fulfill the cultural mandate as it was given before the fall in order to bring the consummation of God's kingdom? The proper orthodox neocalvinist answer is: absolutely not. Primarily an appreciative response to Charles Lee Irons' Upper Register video/podcast episode on The Usefulness of Biblical Theology for Ethics. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jVkJMD3U7vQ I offer 4 points of clarification. 1. After the fall, cultural life remains thoroughly religious, against a sort of...
2022-03-06
27 min
Dare to Think | Mere Liberty Podcast
Rethinking a Reformed Christian View of Culture
Rethinking a Reformed Christian View of Culture | Show Notes TIP JAR: https://donate.stripe.com/aEUdUE5YodhZgkUeUV Summary Culture is important since it’s the second most important thing we can do as humans: love our neighbor. But how exactly does this play out. Evangelicalism has tried to create a “moral majority” through various political activities. But this politicization of our cultural activity has led to unending “culture wars.” This hyperbolic metaphor has caused divisions among political lines. What if Evangelicals got it wrong? What if norms for culture are written into the fabr...
2022-02-18
30 min
Dare to Think | Mere Liberty Podcast
Daniel 3 Podcast Interview - Abuse and the Church
Kerry Baldwin on Abuse, Sphere Sovereignty | Show Notes TIP JAR: https://donate.stripe.com/aEUdUE5YodhZgkUeUV Summary In this episode, Jacob Winograd invites Kerry Baldwin to discuss some cultural aspects of relationship from a Reformed and anarchist perspective. Winograd is concerned is the church is failing to “be the church” as a means of societal preservation (Matt 5:13-16). We begin with a description of sphere sovereignty as formulated in the statement on Reformed Anarchism. Sphere sovereignty is a concept articulated in neocalvinism from Dutch theologian, Abraham Kuyper, and Reformational philosopher, Herman Dooyeweerd. This sets the stage f...
2021-12-09
43 min
presbycast
What Does Romans 13 Mean in 2021? - w/Greg Baus
Reformed thinker Gregory Baus joins us to examine the thorny issues of political compliance and resistance from an historical Reformed confessional and biblical perspective. See his annotated bibliography here: https://tinyurl.com/RefoPoliResistBib And explore the challenging concept of Reformed anarchy (which probably doesn't mean what ou think it means) here: https://tinyurl.com/refoanarchism Video link (with timestamps and notes from Greg in the comments): https://youtu.be/hC95p88UzKg
2021-10-08
1h 36
Daniel 3 Podcast
Daniel 3 Ep. 36 w/ Gregory Baus on Sphere Sovereignty - A Biblical View of Authority
This episode I had on Gregory Baus, researcher and writer in Christian philosophy, writer and contributor for the Libertarian Christian Institute and of his own channel Reformational. We discussed the Neo-Calvinist concept of "Sphere Sovereignty" more in depth, and what the Biblical norms of authority and governance really prescribe. Support this podcast at — https://redcircle.com/daniel-3-biblical-anarchy/exclusive-contentAdvertising Inquiries: https://redcircle.com/brandsPrivacy & Opt-Out: https://redcircle.com/privacy
2021-09-29
1h 46
Church History Matters
28. The Doctrine of Lesser Magistrates
Sources and show notes Excerpts from the Magdeburg Confession: https://faithandheritage.com/2015/11/the-magdeburg-confession/ Website of Matt Trewhella: https://defytyrants.com/ Sermon series from Sam Waldron on the "Christian's Relationship to Civil Authority": https://www.sermonaudio.com/sermoninfo.asp?SID=920202149176749 It's Good to be a Man podcast on the inevitability of patriarchy: https://itsgoodtobeaman.buzzsprout.com/266333/9159001-the-inevitability-of-patriarchy Honest to Pod podcast by Gregory Baus: https://www.audible.com/pd/Honest-To-Pod-Podcast/B08K56HP45 Sources on John Ponet: https://faculty.etsu.edu/history/documents/ponet.htm and https://www.winchester-cathedral.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/JOHN-PONET-RECORD-EXTRA-ANNE-LOVETT.pdf Source on Jonathan Edwards t...
2021-09-15
1h 11
Honest To Pod
You Should Know Herman Dooyeweerd
a brief intro by Gregory Baus and Steve Bishop https://thelaymenslounge.com/you-should-know-dooyeweerd/ Including Dooyeweerd's bio, some key issues in his philosophy, a few key writings (and, in the text article, suggestions for further reading).
2021-04-24
27 min
Two-age Sojourner
Talking Kline and Dooyeweerd with Gregory Baus
Some recommended material: Rudi Hayward on Roots: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLA5gmWEKY-3jmdO3N1EQ2Eesg2ID4I6kj Christian view of everything (addresses the surface level at which it seems nonChristians are ‘doing the same thing’ as Christians) https://sites.google.com/site/christianviewofeverything/ Clouser intro to Christian philosophy: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLwrDNUO5MDu-T6PEv7K3nfET-yWKoo523 https://allofliferedeemed.co.uk/ https://honest2blog.blogspot.com/2012/04/sanctifying-common-2.html
2021-03-10
1h 28
The Bad Roman
Romans 13 & Stateless Civil Governance with Gregory Baus
Is an elected official’s authority automatically ordained by God? What is Jesus referring to when he says “render unto Caesar what is Caesar's”? In the episode, Gregory Baus delves into Romans 13 and stateless civil governance. Are Christians required by God to submit to the governing authorities, even when they are tyrannical or immoral? Are all elected officials ordained by God? Is “render to Caesar” referring to a Biblical requirement for Christians to pay taxes? All of the questions and more are answered in this episode. Craig and Gregory also discuss their transition into anarchism and Gregory’s nomadic lif...
2021-02-25
55 min
Honest To Pod
What is Reformed libertarianism / Reformed anarchism
https://sites.google.com/view/reformed-anarchism Reformed libertarianism (and Reformed anarchism) is a view of politics, or civil governance, informed by a Reformed theology and a Reformed philosophy. This statement summarizes a Reformed view of 1.) culture, 2.) society, and 3.) civil governance.
2021-01-14
21 min
Daniel 3 Podcast
Reformed Anarchism and Romans 13
Romans 13 - Civil Governance & Christian Anarchism from the perspective of Reformed Christian Anarchists Most of the first hour is a discussion on the relationship between the Reformed Christian Tradition and Christian Anarchism, as well as how different Christian denominations and theologies compare and contrast within the Christian Libertarian world. Jump in at about 54:25 to hear Greg and I start breaking down Romans 13 to show how Paul is NOT advocating for/endorsing Statism Here is a compilation of all the links and references mentioned in the video. Gregory Baus profile https://sites.google...
2020-10-16
1h 59
Honest To Pod
Romans 13 and stateless civil governance
see article version here: https://libertarianchristians.com/2021/11/24/romans-13-and-stateless-civil-governance-a-reformed-view/ Gregory Baus on a Reformed view of Romans 13 and libertarian anarchism (stateless civil governance). additional notes: https://mereliberty.com/romans13/ reformed anarchism, reformed libertarianism
2020-05-25
19 min