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ArtwrldSpawning's Holly Herndon & Mat Dryhurst on How to Build Humane AI for ArtistsIt’s a twist of history that the AI revolution first reached mainstream attention via visual art, with DALL-E, and yet artists have been among the technology’s biggest critics. Ownership of intellectual property, fair compensation for work being used in training datasets, fear of having art’s essential quality polluted, and an unwillingness to be glorified product testers for what are seen as extractive Big Tech companies are just some of the concerns the art world has voiced. So, the question is, can AI be both humane and a transformatively powerful tool for artistic creation...2025-02-101h 13
New ModelsPreview | Artists Holly Herndon & Mat Dryhurst on a new paradigm of artmaking (NM86)This is a preview | Full episode released to subscribers: 14 Dec 2024 | Subscribe --> newmodels.io
// In part due to the rise of AI-enabled systems, we are witnessing a shift in where and how the creative act takes place. It is a phenomenon that artists Holly Herndon and Mat Dryhurst have been grappling with for more than a decade through their music and their work with machine learning and its governance. With their exhibition “The Call” on view at the Serpentine in London through February 2nd and their book All Media is Training Data out this week, Holly and Mat join NM to t...2024-12-1420 min
mbanerjeepalmer+listennotes 's Listen LaterAI music with Holly Herndon, Mat Dryhurst, and Jesse Walden Podcast: Means of Creation (LS 31 · TOP 5% what is this?)Episode: AI music with Holly Herndon, Mat Dryhurst, and Jesse WaldenPub date: 2023-05-31Get Podcast Transcript →powered by Listen411 - fast audio-to-text and summarizationLast month, in April 2023, a song that used the AI-generated voices of Drake and The Weeknd went wildly viral across social media before being taken down from streaming services for breaching copyright. Shortly after, Grimes took a more permissive approach, launching a platform to help fans create derivative music using her AI voice model, called Elf...2024-04-221h 12
InterdependenceIs A.I. good or bad for art? With The Culture JournalistMat joined our friends Emilie & Andrea at The Culture Journalist to cover a brief history of the current wave of AI art, why artist replacement narratives can veer on the absurd, and the work we are doing launching our new organization Spawning. Read and subscribe to the Culture Journalist: https://theculturejournalist.substack.com/See if you feature in AI training models, and opt out or opt in: https://haveibeentrained.com/
2022-10-251h 14
InterdependencePrepping for the metaverse with Sterling CrispinWe are happy to be back after Mat's COVID trip, discussing art prepping, Sterling's upcoming ArtBlocks piece, and his expert opinions on the state of ML, AR, VR and what is worth watching (and ignoring) about the impending metaverse.Sterling's upcoming ArtBlocks reveal: https://www.artblocks.io/project/279Sterling's art: http://www.sterlingcrispin.com/Sterling's great blog: https://sterlingcrispin.blogspot.com/Sterling's twitter: https://twitter.com/sterlingcrispin
2022-05-111h 35
InterdependenceEthereum Energy Numbers are in! Moral calculations and web 3 critiques with Kyle McDonaldBig one this week, artist and researcher Kyle McDonald did the gruelling work to calculate the energy and carbon cost of Ethereum, and we try to break down those numbers, calculate their relative impact, discuss critiques of web 3 and debate why they are mostly coming from where they are coming from.Ethereum Emissions: https://kylemcdonald.github.io/ethereum-emissions/Kyle's art: https://kylemcdonald.net/Follow Kyle: https://twitter.com/kcimcWho Pays Artists?: http://www.whopaysartists.com/People staring at computers: https://www.wired.com/2012/07/people-staring-at-computers/
2022-01-111h 45
InterdependenceChoose your Illusion; financial precarity, meme stocks and disinfo with Ali Breland (Mother Jones)We had a long and wonderful chat with Ali after reading his "Who Goes Crypto?" piece on the increasing number of working people opting into investing money into the casino of crypto and meme stocks rather than adhere to crumbling narratives over how the economy works, and for whom. We also dive into an area of his expertise, online disinformation and it's political ramifications. Holly dips out half way through the discussion, she wasn't feeling great and we did not realise at the time she had contracted COVID. Fortunately all is well now, but that will explain t...2021-12-291h 01
InterdependenceUnlocking a sustainable open source culture, public goods and other interdependencies with Scott Moore (Gitcoin)We've been wanting to have this conversation for some time! Scott Moore joins us to discuss Gitcoin's efforts to sustain open source developers, the emerging culture shock between late 20th century free software ideologies and new proposals to get developers paid (which parallels a lot of the culture shock happening in the art and music world rn), discuss the role crypto may play in funding and sustaining public goods, and deviate into why setting good precedent may be important in anticipation of rapid onset AI. We sound a little croaky for this episode and the next one b...2021-12-171h 41
InterdependenceCooking, self sufficiency and design spaces with DeafbeefWe had a wonderful friday night hang with artist Deafbeef, who has had a crazy year transitioning from full time blacksmithing to becoming a respected artist known for his on-chain audio visual experiments. After an intense year we try to go as far off script as is possible and just talk about art, satire, music making and cooking videos.Check out Deafbeef's work: https://www.deafbeef.com/Follow Deafbeef on Twitter: https://twitter.com/_deafbeefStuff we discussedBrad Troemel's Athletic Aesthetics: https://thenewinquiry.com/athletic-aesthetics/Media Archaelogist Erkki H...2021-12-091h 15
InterdependenceReputation economies and seeding DAOs with Jess Sloss of Seed ClubWonderful to welcome Jess from Seed club, who help web communities make the transition to member owned DAOs! Apply for Seed Club: https://seedclub.xyz/Follow Jess: https://twitter.com/thattallguy
2021-11-301h 29
InterdependenceSlaying Moloch, starting the first crypto art registry, Bowie Bonds, Data markets and data unions with Ocean Protocol's Trent McConaghySlaying Moloch, starting the first crypto art registry, Bowie Bonds, Data markets and data unions with Ocean Protocol's Trent McConaghyTrent has been very influential to our thinking. There are few people who can talk with such fluency on matters we care about, even better build compelling alternatives. In this we discuss how he and his wife Masha built the first crypto art registry, Ascribe, long before the concept of an NFT existed. We also discuss how his latest project Ocean Protocol proposes to hand us control of our data at the dawn of the n...2021-10-281h 35
InterdependenceThe Cold War For Information Technology with former Director of Iskra Delta Janez Skrubej In conjunction with this years Ljubljana Biennial of Graphic Arts titled "Iskra Delta "curated by Tjaša Pogačar we interviewed Janez Skrubej, the author of "The Cold War For Information Technology: the Inside Story". Inside indeed, as Janez was the former CEO of Iskra Delta, a major contender on the world stage for not only personal computers, but also large scale networked IT systems. Based within Tito’s Yugoslavia it was caught in the crosshairs in the cold war, working between the US, Soviet Union, China, and India, with each corresponding intelligence agency pushing their own agenda...2021-10-271h 18
InterdependenceBringing the music industry on-chain with Bruno Guez (Revelator)Hi everyone!! We often have discussions on here about web 3 representing a real opportunity for the independent music industry, and Bruno Guez is an expert on how that might end up transpiring, from his time working as a label head, directing the Merlin Network and more recently in building Revelator. Check out Revelator: https://revelator.com/Follow Bruno on Twitter: https://twitter.com/brunoguez?lang=en
2021-10-121h 00
InterdependenceProtocol Art Pioneer Rhea Myers (few)Rhea Myers conceptualised a new art world by curiously tinkering with new tools and seeing what art she could make with them. We catch up with her to reflect on the earliest days of crypto art, her experiments with the medium and their art historical roots in 60's conceptualism, the current state of the field, Loot frenzy and the recent arrival of the dragonslayers, and some areas she feels are yet unexplored.This was crazy fun.Follow Rhea on twitter: https://twitter.com/rheaplexRead and check out Rhea's Work: https://rhea.art2021-10-051h 30
Interdependence$5 grad schools, musical bodybuilding, Puerto Rico and crypto concerns with La Meme YoungThrilled to welcome artist, educator and meme master Max Alper (La Meme Young) to join us to discuss running an online art school, sound and meme pedagogy, musical body building and deliver an on the ground report of crypto excessiveness arriving in his new home of Puerto Rico.Learn music with La Meme Young: https://www.patreon.com/la_meme_youngFollow his incredible Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/la_meme_young/?hl=enBrian Ferneyhough - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p8RTPYaWXj8Jason Eckardt - https://www.youtube...2021-09-221h 12
InterdependenceEmotional Capitalism, The Extreme Self and New Art Institutions with Shumon BasarOur first ever in person discussion this week with writer and curator Shumon Basar to discuss his new book with Douglas Coupland and Hans Ulrich Obrist, The Extreme Self, published in accompaniment with the exhibition "Age of You" most recently hosted at Jameel Art Centre, Dubai.We discuss a number of neologisms that appear in the book, not least Shumon's concept of "Emotional Capitalism", the growing and alarming gulf between reality and the stories we have to comprehend it, and how art institutions might hope to keep up!Read The Extreme Self:Europe: h...2021-09-071h 06
InterdependenceSynthetic Media, iNFTs, collective characters and prompt engineering with Alethea AIHey everyone,thanks again for your support! We have a great cast of people joining us over the next few weeks. In line with our recent emphasis on collective character development, we invited Arif Khan and Juliet Gardner of Alethea AI to discuss the incoming age of synthetic media, collectively and autonomously created characters, their concept of interactive NFTs and much moreCheck out Alethea AI: https://alethea.ai/Follow Arif: https://twitter.com/ArKhanFollow Juliet: https://twitter.com/cybersomeone
2021-08-241h 06
InterdependenceLatent Visions, Promptism and the future of AI art with AdverbIf you have spent any time online recently, you have no doubt seen an explosion of remarkable images generated from text with Latent Visions, VQGAN and CLIP. We spoke to Adverb, the creator of Latent Visions, about his project, Promptism, and where we see these applications developing in the next few years (or at this pace, months). Unmissable discussion with someone who has contributed so much to the field this year!Follow Adverb: https://twitter.com/advadnoun
2021-08-171h 02
InterdependenceMercury Retrograde, financial & social capital and the new internet with Emily SegalThrilled this week to invite artist and author Emily Segal, whose debut auto-fictional novel “Mercury Retrograde” tells the story of a young artists attempt to reconcile the abstract landscape of overfunded startups and the art world, set in New York between Occupy and the Trump Presidency. We discuss what can be learned from the post-internet era as we stand at the precipice of a new internet, the tensions created by the meeting between financial and social capital, what the hell an artist is anyway now?? and Emily’s recent deep dive on funding new literature projects with web 3.Read...2021-08-031h 11
InterdependenceDaemon, DAO's and Cislunar Exploration with Daniel SuarezHi everyone, this week we are thrilled to invite author and developer Daniel Suarez, whose self published science fiction book Daemon became a cult success for its hard science fiction depiction of a narrow AI preprogrammed to re-order the world after the death of it's game developer author. We discuss Daemon and it's follow up Freedom™, how those books inspired aspects of the formation of Ethereum, the importance of reframing narratives through art, and Daniel's more recent work, Delta-V, researching the economics of space exploration. This is a really fun one!Daniel Suarez: https://daniel-suarez.com/...2021-07-271h 39
InterdependenceApproachable AI for music, model markets, new DAWs and Holly+ with Never Before Heard SoundsSuper excited to share this one, on the advent of our collaboration for Holly+, we are joined by Chris Deaner and Yotam Mann of Never Before Heard Sounds, a brand new company releasing AI music tools, to discuss approachable AI tools for music making, the inevitable model economy, new approaches to DAWs and the Holly+ project more generally! Never Before Heard Sounds: https://heardsounds.com/Follow them on Twitter: https://twitter.com/HeardSoundsPlay with Holly+ (and share your results!): https://holly.plus/
2021-07-141h 34
InterdependenceEnergy Justice and Nuclear Power with Zion LightsHappy to welcome activist and science communicator Zion Lights to discuss Energy Justice, the scientific consensus around Nuclear Power, the shaky morality of Degrowth positions, Greta Thunberg, Extinction Rebellion and her new advocacy organisation, Emergency Reactor!Zion Lights: http://www.zionlights.co.uk/Join Emergency Reactor: https://www.emergencyreactor.org/
2021-07-131h 33
InterdependenceThe Wyoming DAO bill, DAO art collections, Autonomous DAOs, DAO templates and more DAOs with Priyanka Desai & Aaron Wright of OpenLawContinuing our DAO thread we are thrilled to be joined by Aaron & Priyanka of OpenLaw, instrumental in formulating and passing the Wyoming DAO legislation, and stewards of NFT art collection DAO Flamingo, Tempest DAO and The LAO. We discuss what a DAO is, what the legislation means for human and nonhuman DAOs, art collecting in web3 and how DAO governance has been working in practice. This is a great introduction to DAOs and early experiments in the medium for the unfamiliar!Apologies for the imperfect audio, our laptop decided to rebel just as we started t...2021-06-221h 05
InterdependenceMeme analysis, E-deologies, shadow ban paranoia and gamer guild economies with Joshua CitarellaWatch Josh's streams: https://www.twitch.tv/joshuacitarellaListen to Josh's interviews: https://www.patreon.com/joshuacitarellaJoshua Citarella - 20 Interviews Book: https://www.amazon.com/20-Interviews-Joshua-Citarella/dp/1034279270/ref=sr_1_1?dchild=1&keywords=joshua+citarella&qid=1611597124&sr=8-1Welcome to TikTok, the Wildly Popular Video App Where Gen Z Makes the Rules: https://www.artsy.net/article/artsy-editorial-tiktok-wildly-popular-video-app-gen-rules
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InterdependenceEarly internet energy panics, Brandolini's Law, and getting the numbers right with Dr. Jonathan KoomeyFollow Jon: https://twitter.com/jgkoomeyTurning Numbers into Knowledge: http://www.numbersintoknowledge.com/Estimating Bitcoin Electricity Use: A Beginner’s Guide: https://www.coincenter.org/estimating-bitcoin-electricity-use-a-beginners-guide/SORRY, WRONG NUMBER: The Use and Misuse of Numerical Facts in Analysis and Media Reporting of Energy Issues: attached ;)Mike Berners Lee: How Bad are Bananas?: https://www.amazon.com/How-Bad-Are-Bananas-Everything/dp/1553658310Brandolini's Law: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brandolini%27s_law
2021-05-251h 31
InterdependenceThe album that spawned a transnational decentralized network with Rully Shabara (Senyawa)Rully Shabara: https://www.rullyshabara.id/Senyawa: https://www.rullyshabara.id/senyawaAlkisah: https://alkisah.net/Participating label list: https://alkisah.net/track-list/Raung Jagat: https://www.rullyshabara.id/raung-jagat
2021-05-211h 03
InterdependenceWeaponized Design, security, vulnerability, and caution over the decentralized web with Cade Diehm (New Design Congress)New Design Congress: https://newdesigncongress.org/en/On Weaponized Design: https://newdesigncongress.org/en/pub/on-weaponised-designThis is Fine: Optimism and Emergency in the P2P network: https://newdesigncongress.org/en/pub/this-is-fineCade: https://shiba.computer/Follow Cade: https://twitter.com/helveticade
2021-05-111h 01
InterdependenceDecentralized scene building, DAO futures and making the internet fun again with FoundationFoundation: https://foundation.app/Foundation on Twitter: https://twitter.com/withFNDKayvon on Twitter: https://twitter.com/saturnialLindsay on Twitter: https://twitter.com/Lindsay_Howard
2021-04-281h 40
InterdependenceHuman music curation, non binary thinking, bundles, scarcity and participation with Tony Lashley (Marine Snow)Sign up for updates on the Marine Snow project: https://marine-snow.co/sssFollow Tony Lashley: https://twitter.com/tooonyl
2021-04-121h 10
InterdependenceWorld Fairs, WorldBuilding, the bicameral mind, the nightmare of organizing research and the art of memory with KantbotPseudodoxology Podcast Network: https://www.patreon.com/Pseudodoxia"The Deluge": https://medium.com/@EdwardWaverley/the-deluge-f62968b20972"The Sublimity of Permanent Collapse": https://medium.com/@EdwardWaverley/the-sublimity-of-permanent-collapse-and-the-leibnizian-problem-of-monadic-optimization-inherent-in-70d6e8be095aBooks!Anything by Frederick BeiserThe Art of Memory by Frances A.Yates :https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Art_of_MemoryThe Origin of Consciousness in the Breakdown of the Bicameral Mind by Julian Jaynes:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Origin_of_Consciousness_in_the_Breakdown_of_the_Bicameral_Mind2021-04-121h 11
InterdependenceDiscussing the essay funded via $ESSAY, Scissor Labels and Hyperpop fandoms with John Palmer, Kara Kittel & Toby Shorin (Other Internet)Scissor Labels Essay: https://j.mirror.xyz/RUeJfZEZxr-hkuzUCakQyUuf2kOJVMPPiAWBaQFhhqcHow it was funded via $ESSAY: https://j.mirror.xyz/uVGCCwwm3k341lPpxaJmHTZROESVse9Pe_rmbiuUAC0John Palmer: https://johnpalmer.site/#/Kara Kittel: https://twitter.com/karakittel?lang=enToby Shorin: https://tobyshorin.com/Other Internet: https://otherinter.net/
2021-03-231h 52
InterdependenceRadical Transparency, humor > disinformation, poetry for machines, avatar politicians and giving non-human entities a vote with Digital Minister of Taiwan Audrey Tanghttp://audreyt.org/ 2021-03-221h 18
InterdependenceSinoFuturism, AIDOL, NFT Murder Plots and Future Pop Stardom with Lawrence LekBack in the saddle with Artist and Musician Lawrence Lek for the advent of his latest film AIDOL (2019) and the release of it's wonderful soundtrack on Hyperdub.We discuss AI Pop Stars, SinoFuturism, IP and cultural stereotypes, NFT murder plots and a great deal moreHave a wonderful week all :)LINKSLawrence Lek: https://lawrencelek.com/AIDOL OST (Hyperdub): https://hyperdub.net/products/lawrence-lek-aidol-ostAIDOL Trailer: https://vimeo.com/331655114Geomancer Trailer: https://vimeo.com/251303726
2021-03-172h 00
InterdependenceHope Running, Economic Fiction and MetaModernism with Simon de la RouviereIn celebration of his new book "Hope Runners of Gridlock", we chat to polymath Simon de la Rouviere about designing new economies, never ending stories, Metamodernism and maintaining hope!Buy the book! https://blog.simondlr.com/posts/hope-runners-of-gridlockFollow Simon's writings! https://blog.simondlr.com/Follow Simon! https://twitter.com/simondlr
2021-03-172h 02
InterdependencePrimacism: David Rudnick on the struggle for Primacy, type and poetry's unique value in an age of digital and physical conflict, and Percy Shelley's Mont BlancA rare conversation with designer David Rudnick https://void.davidrudnick.org/
2021-03-012h 27
InterdependenceNFTs for n00bs: A brief history of tokens and tulips, NFT aesthetics, energy dramas, fan brigades, social tokens and the meataverse with Daniel Keller (New Models) AA brief history of tokens and tulips, NFT aesthetics, energy dramas, fan brigades, social tokens and the meataverse with Daniel Keller (New Models)Check out New Models!https://newmodels.io/https://www.patreon.com/newmodels Topic marks!3:00 NFTs and Post Internet5:00 Metahaven “Can Jokes Bring Down Governments?” https://www.amazon.com/Can-Jokes-Bring-Down-Governments/dp/099291468X7:00 NFTs for n00bs / What is an NFT11:30 Ethereum Name Services15:00 History of the space16:00 Cryptokitties20:00 Tulip Mania was overblown!...2021-03-011h 50
InterdependenceProtocols, Permissions and non-human communication with the Indigenous Protocol and Artificial Intelligence Working GroupHello everyone! Over the moon this week to welcome Professor Jason Edward Lewis and Suzanne Kite of the Indigenous Protocol and AI Working group!We discuss the origins and goals of the project, different perspectives on creating AI elders, lessons about communicating with non human intelligences from various Indigenous groups, where utopian freedom of information ideas clash with ideas of self determination, and speculations about building a Hawaiian programming language. We may take a break next week, but have plenty more great conversations recorded for you all. Thanks again for your support and have a s...2021-02-231h 43
InterdependenceArtist Led Pricing, Scene ownership and defecting from Spotify with AudiusIn this episode we welcome the full Audius squad, Roneil Rumberg, Forrest Browning and Clayton Blaha to discuss their new music protocol, how it establishes the rails for artist led, rather than centrally mandated, pricing and design of economic and interactive relationships, Soundcloud and the dangers of platform risk, and the ways in which we might drag people away from centralised platforms and communicate the benefits unlocked by decentralised scene ownership.It was a wonderful discussion and I left it feeling very confident that this group of people are onto something! Head over to audius.co to...2021-02-161h 50
InterdependencePharmako-AI: co-writing with an AI and navigating the dark hallways of the mind with K Allado-McDowell (and GPT-3)In the advent of their new book “Pharmako-AI”, co-written with OpenAI’s GPT-3 system, we speak to K Allado-McDowell (and GPT-3) about creating with an inhuman (and a human), the nature and history of intelligence, and focussing art and technology towards healing.K Allado-McDowell is a writer, speaker, and musician. They are the author, with GPT-3, of the book Pharmako-AI, and are co-editor, with Ben Vickers, of The Atlas of Anomalous AI. Allado-McDowell records and releases music under the name Qenric.Allado-McDowell established the Artists + Machine Intelligence program at Google AI. They are a conference speaker...2021-02-021h 35
InterdependenceGood Elitism and The New Philistinism with Eliane GlaserLet's talk about elitism.Buy Eliane's incredible book Elitism: A Progressive Defensehttps://www.bitebackpublishing.com/books/elitism-a-progressive-defence
2021-01-191h 22
InterdependencePost Capitalist Desire, Melancholy, Psychedelia and Mark Fisher with Matt ColquhounWe welcome author Matt Colquhoun to discuss his release of TWO new books exploring the work of the late, great Mark Fisher.We discuss Mark's life and legacy, Post Capitalist desire, accelerationism, the various misinterpretations of Capitalist Realism, and the need for psychedelic new fantasies.Postcapitalist Desire: The Final Lectures: https://repeaterbooks.com/product/postcapitalist-desire-the-final-lectures/Egress: On Mourning, Melancholy and Mark Fisher: https://repeaterbooks.com/product/egress-on-mourning-melancholy-and-mark-fisher/Xenogothic: https://xenogothic.com/
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InterdependenceThe CIA, CCF and Cultural Cold War with Frances Stonor SaundersIt was difficult to coordinate release schedules with the CIA but we got there in the endThis week we discuss the CIA and the art world with Frances Stonor Saunders, author of the canonical book in this field "Who Paid The Piper?". Big thanks to the HKW for facilitating this discussion, and be sure to check out the other programming from their "Disappearance of Music" event.LINKSWho Paid the Piper?:https://granta.com/products/who-paid-the-piper/HKW Disappearance of Music: https://www.hkw.de/en/programm/projekte/2020/das_v...2021-01-061h 35
Interdependence GuestsLoops, Archetypes and being the Ian MacKaye of the art world with Martine SymsBack this week with a conversation with Artist Martine Syms on her extensive body of work, loops, Vine and Tik Tok, the burden of Archetypes, "Mundane Afro-Futurism" and Building Publics through publishing.
Hope you are having a safe week <3
Links
https://martinesy.ms/ (https://martinesy.ms/)
https://fourthree.boilerroom.tv/film/mundane-afrofuturist-manifesto (https://fourthree.boilerroom.tv/film/mundane-afrofuturist-manifesto)
https://dominica.la/ (https://dominica.la/) 2020-12-241h 55Interdependence GuestsSound System IP and Rude Citizenship with Professor Larisa Kingston Mann (DJ Ripley)For this episode we welcome academic and DJ Larisa Kingston Mann from Temple University in Philadelphia, whose work analyzes the relationship between law, technology, sovereignty and creativity, especially focusing on the ways changing media technologies affect communities’ ability to flourish
Her PhD thesis “Rude Citizenship”, soon to be turned into a book, looks at the ways in which Jamaican popular music practices challenge the colonial underpinnings of copyright law and of sovereignty itself. We discuss the economics of Jamaican sound system culture, the sticky topic of copyright as a flawed protection for creators, and proposals for a fairer DJ economy.
We had...2020-12-241h 35Interdependence GuestsPharmako-AI: co-writing with an AI and navigating the dark hallways of the mind with K Allado-McDowell (and GPT-3)In the advent of their new book “Pharmako-AI”, co-written with OpenAI’s GPT-3 system, we speak to K Allado-McDowell (and GPT-3) about creating with an inhuman (and a human), the nature and history of intelligence, and focussing art and technology towards healing.
K Allado-McDowell is a writer, speaker, and musician. They are the author, with GPT-3, of the book https://ignota.org/products/pharmako-ai (Pharmako-AI), and are co-editor, with Ben Vickers, of https://ignota.org/products/atlas-of-anomalous-ai (The Atlas of Anomalous AI). Allado-McDowell records and releases music under the name https://qenric.bandcamp.com/album/earthly-love (Qenric).
Allado-McDowell established the https...2020-12-241h 35Interdependence GuestsSquad Wealth with Other InternetReally happy to welcome Other Internet to the podcast, an independent strategy and research squad based between New York and Berlin.
Their recent essay “Squad Wealth” looks at the phenomenon of interdependent squads emerging on the internet as a necessary progression from the atomized independence economy.
We discuss Squad Wealth and their other incredibly useful conception of Headless Brands, the redundancy of the binary left/right axis when tracking emerging cultural developments, critiques that have been leveled against their Squad analysis, and different decentralized institutions and arrangements that are forming to spread big squad energy.
Wonderful group of people. Hope you...2020-12-241h 40Interdependence GuestsWhat would a new club economy look like? Part 2 with Richie HawtinThe second part of our discussion facilitated in collaboration with Sonar +D and Ars Electronica.
Particularly excited to share this one, where we reflect upon what foundations of the club economy appear to be most exposed by the current crisis, discuss Richie's work with AFEM to help get producers paid, and speculate on the possibility of new and necessary economic relationships between DJ's and producers under a guild model.
Links
AFEM: https://www.associationforelectronicmusic.org/initiatives/ (https://www.associationforelectronicmusic.org/initiatives/) 2020-12-241h 07Interdependence GuestsArtist tokens, Community Owned Institutions and the Reliance Alliance with ZORAThis week we welcome Dee and Jacob from Zora, a new organisation that is building tools for artists to issue tokens around their creative practices.
We discuss their idea of dynamic pricing of art releases and at the advent of the musician RAC releasing his $RAC token through ZORA, the new space of artists and their audiences owning a stake in the value they interdependently create in the world. We also talk a tour around the very short history of artist token models, how these new tools are enabling financial literacy, what not to do, and what other potential models...2020-12-241h 46Interdependence GuestsHope Running, Economic Fiction and MetaModernism with Simon de la RouviereIn celebration of his new book "Hope Runners of Gridlock", we chat to polymath Simon de la Rouviere about designing new economies, never ending stories, Metamodernism and maintaining hope!
Buy the book! https://blog.simondlr.com/posts/hope-runners-of-gridlock (https://blog.simondlr.com/posts/hope-runners-of-gridlock)
Follow Simon's writings! https://blog.simondlr.com/ (https://blog.simondlr.com/)
Follow Simon! https://twitter.com/simondlr (https://twitter.com/simondlr) 2020-12-242h 02Interdependence GuestsStreaming Issues with Liz PellyIn this episode we speak with the writer Liz Pelly, who over the past 5 years has written a series of revelatory critical pieces about the streaming economy for The Baffler.
We discuss whether the distinction of Independence is all that useful in music at this point in history, take a look at the ways in which the streaming platforms flatter some kinds of music and have flattered to deceive for others, and question what the recent Spotify exclusivity deal with Joe Rogan might mean for musicians.
This is a nice and long conversation, and we had one or two connection...2020-12-241h 42Interdependence GuestsAugmenting creativity and ethical AI with Jesse Engel (Google Magenta)In this episode we talk with Jesse Engel, musician, Senior Research Scientist at Google Brain and creative lead of the Magenta project.
Magenta is an open source research project exploring the role of machine learning as a tool in the creative process, developed by numerous researchers and engineers from the Google brain team, Google’s self directed machine intelligence group.
Amongst many things we discuss the role and research focus of Magenta, look at how research lab OpenAI’s recent Jukebox project raised some necessary ethical debates around the puppeteering of living artists voices and styles, get psychedelic abou...2020-12-241h 35Interdependence GuestsAnarchist UBI and weird fatigue with Sarah Friend (Circles UBI)We join Sarah Friend, core developer from talk-of-the-town project Circles UBI to discuss the crazy few weeks they have been having trying to give away a UBI through social trust networks. We pull apart how the project works and discuss the history of local currencies, potential dystopian scenarios, "weird fatigue" and the turbulence of pursuing an art practice that involves building things that do stuff.
We went on a recording frenzy this past week so have a bunch more great episodes lined up. Hope you are all good!
Links!
Circles UBI
https://circles.garden/ (https://circles.garden/)
Sarah's other...2020-12-241h 33Interdependence GuestsCollaborating with the dead, Hildegard of Bingen, genius and villainy with Huw Lemmey (Bad Gays)This week we are thrilled to welcome the author and critic Huw Lemmey in celebration of his new novel https://ignota.org/products/unknown-language (Unknown Language), written in collaboration with Hildegard of Bingen and out now on Ignota books
We discuss what it is like to channel the dead and write a novel together, Hildegard's visions and genius, constructed languages, and Bad Gays; Huw’s wonderful podcast with the historian Ben Miller.
We could have talked for a few lifetimes :)
Thanks again for the support and have a wonderful week!
LINKS
Unknown Language out now on Ignota Books
https://ignota.or...2020-12-241h 57Interdependence GuestsPlatform co-ops and illusory democratisation with Nathan SchneiderWell what a week! Sorry this is a little late, it felt a little weird to release an episode during the election - but we didn’t expect for it to drag on this much!
In this episode we welcome Nathan Schneider, professor of media studies at the https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/University_of_Colorado_Boulder (University of Colorado Boulder), significant player in the platform co-operativism movement and the originator of the term “exit to community”
We discuss the state of platform co-operativism today, the intersections between more traditional coop communities and the emerging crypto world, the history of co...2020-12-241h 05Interdependence GuestsBerlin Fictions and Hyperstitional Anxiety with Elvia Wilk (Oval)For the second part of our conversation series with contemporary fiction writers we are over the moon to have a chat with Elvia Wilk, who released her debut novel “Oval” last year to great acclaim.
Oval is a beautiful book that depicts a world at vastly different scales, not least addressing the contemporary role of the artist as embedded in wider economic systems. We discuss how art communities in the shifting economic landscape of Berlin inspired some of the books themes, the increasingly entangled relationships between artists and corporations, the hyperstitional anxiety of seeing gestures from marginal scenes influence wider cult...2020-12-241h 44Interdependence GuestsUBI and the Precariat with Professor Guy StandingIn this latest episode we talk with Professor Guy Standing, who has been at the forefront of Basic Income research for 30 years, running pilots all over the world.
We discuss his original concept of “The Precariat”, a new class that might be familiar to many listeners, the moral case for a basic income and its fans in US politics and Silicon Valley, and his vision of a future of a new left built upon enlightenment principles.
Links!
Guy Standing: https://www.guystanding.com/ (https://www.guystanding.com/)
Basic Income Earth Network: https://basicincome.org/ (https://basicincome.org/)
The Prec...2020-12-241h 26Interdependence GuestsCyberpunk, Difference Engines and Mad Madge with Bruce SterlingHello everyone
If my voice is more reverberant than usual its because this is beaming from our new studio, which currently has no furniture, no electricity and no internet! We are hoping eventually to establish one or two of those things, and maybe even host some of these conversations live once we are all allowed to occupy space together again.
In the near term, the good news is we have a new episode for you! Last night we recorded a long and fun conversation with the Hugo award winning author and futurist Bruce Sterling. As you will hear Bruce has...2020-12-241h 59Interdependence GuestsRadical Markets, pluralistic tech and transitioning to Socialism with Glen Weyl (RadicalxChange)In this episode we speak to Glen Weyl, author, economist and Principal Research at Microsoft Research. His ideas inspired the formation of the Radical X Change Foundation, who are holding a conference this weekend from June 19-21 I would recommend you check out.
If you are interested in following the conference, in which we are speaking alongside Audrey Tang, Digital Minister or Taiwan, Vitalik Buterin of Ethereum and others, head over to http://radicalxchange.org/ (RadicalxChange.org) for more information. The interactive tickets are sold out, however I believe that the whole thing will be streamed live.
In this very...2020-12-241h 26Interdependence GuestsThis is All Happening Right Now: Solarpunk, cultural fracking and the real Jurassic Park with Jay SpringettBack with a conversation with a special person and close friend of the podcast Jay Springett
Jay is a writer, theorist and podcaster who falls into a special category of people where we can say with some confidence that whatever they are thinking about will be commonplace in a few years. We discuss a passion of his, Solarpunk, cultural fracking, universe construction, permaculture, Russia’s real jurassic park, K pop and the factory model, reality modelling and aerospace, conspiracy theories and much more.
Can’t recommend enough that you check out Jay’s various cultural contributions, and hope you are all ha...2020-12-241h 45Interdependence GuestsAI anatomies and forewarnings with Kate Crawford (AI Now)In this episode we speak with Kate Crawford, founder of the AI Now Institute and professor who has spent the last decade studying the political implications of data systems, machine learning and artificial intelligence.
We discuss the anatomy of AI systems and full ecosystem of human and material resources behind an Amazon echo, the need to develop an understanding of the exponential accumulation of power under platform capitalism, the use of AI systems in predictive policing and other controversial areas, and Kate’s parallel experience as an electronic musician.
This episode ends rather abruptly as...2020-12-241h 51Interdependence Guests#brokenrecord and streaming reform with Tom Gray (PRS)This week we talk to Director at PRS for music and Gomez songwriter Tom Gray, who, through the #brokenrecord hashtag and other advocacy work has been championing the need for reform the way that streaming services work, and reform copyright policy to better protect songwriters and producers.
We discuss the case for user centric streaming over the current pro-rata payment model, what is was like to witness the transition from sales to streaming as a successful touring band, and how, at a time when the song is earning the least amount it has ever earned, the expenses to develop the...2020-12-241h 52Interdependence GuestsOrganizing the Worlds Knowledge with Evgeny MorozovEvgeny Morozov joins to discuss COVID solutionism, left imagination and organizing the world's information with The Syllabus.
Episode NotesIf you are interested in reading Evgeny's new piece in the Guardian, visit:
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/apr/15/tech-coronavirus-surveilance-state-digital-disrupt (https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/apr/15/tech-coronavirus-surveilance-state-digital-disrupt)
Sign up to Evgeny's Syllabus project to receive a weekly syllabi curated around your interests:
https://the-syllabus.com/ (https://the-syllabus.com/)2020-12-2453 minInterdependence GuestsAI and Music with François Pachet & Benoit Carré (Spotify CTRL LAB)We are joined by research scientist and Director of Spotify's CTRL lab François Pachet and his collaborator, the composer Benoit Carré to discuss how the latest in AI research offers a new paradigm for both composition and the concept of authorship and ownership.
This will be one of many times we pursue conversations with researchers at the cutting edge of Artificial Intelligence and music, not only because it offers a glimpse into the future of music, but also the greater economy. Music is often the first to feel the tremors for greater economic earthquakes, so it feels like an...2020-12-241h 22Interdependence GuestsGerman Funding of the American Avant Garde with Amy C. BealThis week we are thrilled to bring a conversation with Amy C. Beal from UC Santa Cruz, whose book "New Music New Allies: Experimental Music in West Germany from the Zero Hour to Reunification" not only gives us insight into the role that German state funding has played in American experimental art since the Second World War, but also offers clues as to the unique responsibilities and complications inherent to that continued funding to the present day.
We get to discuss how the US State Department funded Jazz concerts throughout Europe, the CIA involvement in cold war soft power...2020-12-241h 46Interdependence GuestsBLM, meaningful changes and meme music with David Turner (Penny Fractions)In this episode we welcome David Turner, writer and founder of the Penny Fractions newsletter, which holds a critical and often political lens to the latest developments in the music industry.
In this episode we discuss the music industry response to Black Lives Matter, positive infrastructural proposals that could lead to long lasting and meaningful diversification, the meme music economy, lessons from ad hoc protest gatherings and sitting on a small plane with Radiohead and Silento.
David is a deeply thoughtful and fun guest, we hope you enjoy this one!
LINKS:
Penny Fractions newsletter (sign up!): https://www.getrevue.co...2020-12-241h 55Interdependence GuestsAI for Humans with Richie Hawtin (Part 1 of 2)Hey everyone,
happy to post the first of a two part discussion with legendary electronic music figure Richie Hawtin.
This conversation was facilitated in collaboration with Sonar +D and Ars Electronica, and video of the second part of our discussion covering proposals for an interdependent club music economy can be streamed live at 18:30 CEST this Friday as part of Sonar +D's online programming. Also worth tuning in for live performances by Arca, Laurel Halo and more. Full schedule here: https://sonarplusd.com/en/programs/barcelona-2020-special-edition/schedules (https://sonarplusd.com/en/programs/barcelona-2020-special-edition/schedules)
In this first part of...2020-12-241h 07Interdependence GuestsGood Elitism and The New Philistinism with Eliane GlaserCrazy week eh ;P
Let's talk about elitism.
Also, buy Eliane's incredible book Elitism: A Progressive Defense
https://www.bitebackpublishing.com/books/elitism-a-progressive-defence (https://www.bitebackpublishing.com/books/elitism-a-progressive-defence)2020-12-241h 48Interdependence GuestsProtocols, Permissions and non-human communication with the Indigenous Protocol and Artificial Intelligence Working GroupHello everyone! Over the moon this week to welcome Professor Jason Edward Lewis and Suzanne Kite of the Indigenous Protocol and AI Working group!
We discuss the origins and goals of the project, disputes over communicating with an AI elder, lessons about communicating with non human intelligences from various Indigenous groups, where utopian freedom of information ideas clash with ideas of self determination, and future plans to build a Hawaiian programming language.
We may take a break next week, but have plenty more great conversations recorded for you all. Thanks again for your support and have a safe and...2020-12-241h 43Interdependence GuestsLil Miquela, Avatar creators and getting humans paid with Trevor McFedries (BRUD)In this episode we catch up with Trevor McFedries, founder of the meta media studio Brud (http://brud.fyi/ (brud.fyi)), whose digital avatar artist and influencer Lil Miquela recently caused a stir through signing with one of the worlds premier talent agencies, CAA.
We discuss the origins of the project, why he sees Miquela as more of a challenge to Mickey Mouse than human artists, and also some pretty bold ideas for how avatar led projects might help us reorganise the music industry to be more equitable.2020-12-241h 30Interdependence GuestsJustice at Spotify with The Union of Musicians and Allied WorkersHi everyone,
happy to share with you a conversation this week with The Union of Musicians and Allied Workers, whose petition making demands of Spotify to improve terms for artists has gathered over 20,000 signatures and counting.
We discuss those demands in detail, other initiatives they have undertaken and take the rare opportunity to have a conversation about living under streaming with other actively touring musicians .
LINKS
Sign up for Justice at Spotify: https://www.unionofmusicians.org/justice-at-spotify (https://www.unionofmusicians.org/justice-at-spotify)
Get involved with UMAW: https://www.unionofmusicians.org/ (https://www.unionofmusicians.org/)
Follow them: https://twitter...2020-12-241h 46Interdependence GuestsInterdependent artist payments and live streaming through COVID-19 with Nico Perez (Mixcloud)It’s a hot one! This afternoon recorded a discussion with Mixcloud CEO and DJ Nico Perez, and our studio was so hot that we had to keep all the windows open for our own health and also to keep the laptop from spontaneously combusting! As a result this recording is resplendent with the occasional child screaming or dog barking, but hopefully that adds to the experience :)
Nico joined us to discuss Mixcloud's select feature for directly supporting artists, how their bold move to introduce payment splits between DJ’s and artists could potentially be taken further, club culture under COVI...2020-12-241h 35Interdependence GuestsThe Ownership Economy with Jesse Walden (Variant Fund)This week we welcome Jesse Walden, who recently announced the launch of Variant Fund, which looks to support what he describes as “The Ownership Economy”. We discuss Jesse’s background as an artist manager, his early experiments with putting tools into artists hands to control the destiny of their work online, the opportunities that decentralised networks offer to help us transition from the centralised platform economy in music and culture more broadly, and how distributing ownership to users and artists can help us transition from atomised and individualist support systems like Patreon towards more ambitious collective, interdependent(!), models online and in rea...2020-12-241h 33
Interdependence GuestsArtist Led Pricing, Scene ownership and defecting from Spotify with AudiusIn this episode we welcome the full Audius squad, Roneil Rumberg, Forrest Browning and Clayton Blaha to discuss their new music protocol, how it establishes the rails for artist led, rather than centrally mandated, pricing and design of economic and interactive relationships, Soundcloud and the dangers of platform risk, and the ways in which we might drag people away from centralised platforms and communicate the benefits unlocked by decentralised scene ownership.
It was a wonderful discussion and I left it feeling very confident that this group of people are onto something! Head over to http://audius.co/ (audius.co) to...2020-12-241h 51Interdependence GuestsReading the 21st Century on a trade ship to China with Tim Maughan (Infinite Detail)Since the idea of this podcast first came to mind, we had imagined starting a thread of conversations with fiction authors and artists that in many ways touch on some of issues that we might be exploring in other conversations.
Today we are thrilled to kick off this direction with a conversation with Tim Maughan, the author of Infinite Detail, winner of The Guardians best science fiction and fantasy book of 2019, and a gripping and prescient work that explores the simple question: what would happen if the internet stopped working?
In this conversation we discuss sailing on a trade ship...2020-12-241h 41
InterdependencePlatform co-ops and illusory democratisation with Nathan SchneiderHi everyoneIn this episode we welcome Nathan Schneider, professor of media studies at the University of Colorado Boulder, significant player in the platform co-operativism movement and the originator of the term “exit to community”We discuss the state of platform co-operativism today, the intersections between more traditional coop communities and the emerging crypto world, the history of co-ops, and as usual we get to gleefully dunk on the mythologies of the centralised platform economy.xxxx
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InterdependenceJustice at Spotify with The Union of Musicians and Allied WorkersHi everyone,happy to share a conversation this week with The Union of Musicians and Allied Workers, whose petition making demands of Spotify to improve terms for artists has gathered over 20,000 signatures and counting.We discuss those demands in detail, other initiatives they have undertaken and take the rare opportunity to have a conversation about living under streaming with other actively touring musicians . LINKSSign up for Justice at Spotify: https://www.unionofmusicians.org/justice-at-spotifyGet involved with UMAW: https://www.unionofmusicians.org/Follow them: https://tw...2020-12-0857 min
InterdependenceAnarchist UBI, local currencies and weird fatigue with Sarah Friend (Circles UBI)We join Sarah Friend, core dev from talk of the town project Circles UBI to discuss the crazy few weeks they have been having giving away a UBI through social trust networks. We pull apart how the project works and discuss the history of local currencies, potential dystopian scenarios, "weird fatigue" and the turbulence of pursuing an art practice that involves building things that do stuff.We went on a recording frenzy this past week so have a bunch more great episodes lined up. Hope you are all good! Links!Ci...2020-12-021h 34
InterdependenceArtist tokens, Community Owned Institutions and the Reliance Alliance with ZORAHi everyone!This week we welcome Dee and Jacob from Zora, a new organisation that is building tools for artists to issue tokens around their creative practices.We discuss their idea of dynamic pricing of art releases and at the advent of the musician RAC releasing his $RAC token through ZORA, the new space of artists and their audiences owning a stake in the value they interdependently create in the world. We also talk a tour around the very short history of artist token models, how these new tools are enabling financial literacy, what not...2020-11-241h 13
InterdependenceThis is All Happening Right Now: Solarpunk, cultural fracking and the real Jurassic Park with Jay SpringettBack with a conversation with a special person and close friend of the podcast Jay SpringettJay is a writer, theorist and podcaster who falls into a special category of people where we can say with some confidence that whatever they are thinking about will be commonplace in a few years. We discuss a passion of his, Solarpunk, cultural fracking, universe construction, permaculture, Russia’s real jurassic park, K pop and the factory model, reality modelling and aerospace, conspiracy theories and much more.Can’t recommend enough that you check out Jay’s various cultural contri...2020-11-171h 17
InterdependenceCollaborating with the dead, Hildegard of Bingen, genius and villainy with Huw Lemmey (Bad Gays)This week we are thrilled to welcome the author and critic Huw Lemmey in celebration of his new novel Unknown Language, written in collaboration with Hildegard of Bingen and out now on Ignota booksWe discuss what it is like to channel the dead and write a novel together, Hildegard's visions and genius, constructed languages, and Bad Gays; Huw’s wonderful podcast with the historian Ben Miller.We could have talked for a few lifetimes :)Thanks again for the support and have a wonderful week! LINKSUnk...2020-11-101h 20
InterdependenceA New Club Economy w/ Richie HawtinThe second part of our discussion facilitated in collaboration with Sonar +D and Ars Electronica.Particularly excited to share this one, where we reflect upon what foundations of the club economy appear to be most exposed by the current crisis, discuss Richie's work with AFEM to help get producers paid, and speculate on the possibility of new and necessary economic relationships between DJ's and producers under a guild model.LinksSonar +D https://sonarplusd.com/Ars Electronica https://ars.electronica.art/news/en/AFEM: https://www.associationforelectronicmusic.org/initiatives/2020-10-201h 02
InterdependenceSquad Wealth and Headless Brands with Other InternetReally happy to welcome Other Internet to the podcast, an independent strategy and research squad based between New York and Berlin.Their recent essay “Squad Wealth” looks at the phenomenon of interdependent squads emerging on the internet as a necessary progression from the atomized independence economy.We discuss Squad Wealth and their other incredibly useful conception of Headless Brands, the redundancy of the binary left/right axis when tracking emerging cultural developments, critiques that have been leveled against their Squad analysis, and different decentralized institutions and arrangements that are forming to spread big squad energy.2020-10-0659 min
InterdependenceCyberpunk, Difference Engines and Mad Madge with Bruce SterlingLast night we recorded a long and fun conversation with the Hugo award winning author and futurist Bruce Sterling. As you will hear Bruce has a great deal of knowledge about a great deal of stuff, and as well as his early writing helping to establish the cyberpunk movement, he was also among a handful of people who set the countercultural tone in San Francisco at the dawn of WIRED and the dot com boom. He is also a curator and expert on digital art. We discuss his being the first WIRED cover story, new information he u...2020-09-171h 07
InterdependenceGerman Funding of the American Avant Garde with Amy C. BealThis week we are thrilled to bring a conversation with Amy C. Beal from UC Santa Cruz, whose book "New Music New Allies: Experimental Music in West Germany from the Zero Hour to Reunification" not only gives us insight into the role that German state funding has played in American experimental art since the Second World War, but also offers clues as to the unique responsibilities and complications inherent to that continued funding to the present day. We get to discuss how the US State Department funded Jazz concerts throughout Europe, the CIA involvement in cold war s...2020-09-0958 min
InterdependenceInterdependent artist payments and live streaming through COVID-19 with Nico Perez (Mixcloud)It’s a hot one! This afternoon recorded a discussion with Mixcloud CEO and DJ Nico Perez, and our studio was so hot that we had to keep all the windows open for our own health and also to keep the laptop from spontaneously combusting! As a result this recording is resplendent with the occasional child screaming or dog barking, but hopefully that adds to the experience :)Nico joined us to discuss Mixcloud's select feature for directly supporting artists, how their bold move to introduce payment splits between DJ’s and artists could potentially be taken further, club...2020-09-0150 min
InterdependenceBuilding the Ownership Economy with Jesse Walden (Variant Fund)This week we welcome Jesse Walden, who recently announced the launch of Variant Fund, which looks to support what he describes as “The Ownership Economy”. We discuss Jesse’s background as an artist manager, his early experiments with putting tools into artists hands to control the destiny of their work online, the opportunities that decentralised networks offer to help us transition from the centralised platform economy in music and culture more broadly, and how distributing ownership to users and artists can help us transition from atomised and individualist support systems like Patreon towards more ambitious collective, interdependent(!), models online and in...2020-08-1851 min
InterdependenceBerlin and the New Weird with Elvia WilkFor the second part of our conversation series with contemporary fiction writers we are over the moon to have a chat with Elvia Wilk, who released her debut novel “Oval” last year to great acclaim.Oval is a beautiful book that depicts a world at vastly different scales, not least addressing the contemporary role of the artist as embedded in wider economic systems. We discuss how art communities in the shifting economic landscape of Berlin inspired some of the books themes, the increasingly entangled relationships between artists and corporations, the hyperstitional anxiety of seeing gestures from marginal scen...2020-08-1150 min
InterdependenceInterdependence 12: Dr Larisa Kingston Mann (DJ Ripley)For this episode we welcome academic and DJ Larisa Kingston Mann from Temple University in Philadelphia, whose work analyzes the relationship between law, technology, sovereignty and creativity, especially focusing on the ways changing media technologies affect communities’ ability to flourishHer PhD thesis “Rude Citizenship”, soon to be turned into a book, looks at the ways in which Jamaican popular music practices challenge the colonial underpinnings of copyright law and of sovereignty itself. We discuss the economics of Jamaican sound system culture, the sticky topic of copyright as a flawed protection for creators, and proposals for a fairer...2020-08-0452 min
InterdependenceInterdependence 11: Tim Maughan (Infinite Detail)Since the idea of this podcast first came to mind, we had imagined starting a thread of conversations with fiction authors and artists that in many ways touch on some of issues that we might be exploring in other conversations.Today we are thrilled to kick off this direction with a conversation with Tim Maughan, the author of Infinite Detail, winner of The Guardians best science fiction and fantasy book of 2019, and a gripping and prescient work that explores the simple question: what would happen if the internet stopped working?In this conversation we discuss...2020-07-2846 min
InterdependenceInterdependence 10: Tom Gray (PRS)This week we talk to Director at PRS for music and Gomez songwriter Tom Gray, who, through the #brokenrecord hashtag and other advocacy work has been championing the need for reform the way that streaming services work, and reform copyright policy to better protect songwriters and producers.We discuss the case for user centric streaming over the current pro-rata payment model, what is was like to witness the transition from sales to streaming as a successful touring band, and how, at a time when the song is earning the least amount it has ever earned, the expenses...2020-06-2950 min
InterdependenceInterdependence 9: Kate Crawford (AI Now)In this episode we speak with Kate Crawford, founder of the AI Now Institute and professor who has spent the last decade studying the political implications of data systems, machine learning and artificial intelligence. We discuss the anatomy of AI systems and full ecosystem of human and material resources behind an Amazon echo, the need to develop an understanding of the exponential accumulation of power under platform capitalism, the use of AI systems in predictive policing and other controversial areas, and Kate’s parallel experience as an electronic musician.This episode ends rather abruptly as we got l...2020-06-2247 min
InterdependenceInterdependence 8: David Turner (Penny Fractions)In this episode we welcome David Turner, writer and founder of the Penny Fractions newsletter, which holds a critical and often political lens to the latest developments in the music industry.In this episode we discuss the music industry response to Black Lives Matter, positive infrastructural proposals that could lead to long lasting and meaningful diversification, the meme music economy, lessons from ad hoc protest gatherings and sitting on a small plane with Radiohead and Silento.David is a deeply thoughtful and fun guest, we hope you enjoy this one!LINKS:...2020-06-1547 min
InterdependenceInterdependence 7 : Glen Weyl (RadicalxChange)In this episode we speak to Glen Weyl, author, economist and Principal Research at Microsoft Research. His ideas inspired the formation of the RadicalxChange Foundation, who recently held a conference in which we were speaking alongside Audrey Tang, Digital Minister of Taiwan, Vitalik Buterin of Ethereum and others. Head over to RadicalxChange.org and look out for the deep list of archived talks.In this very candid discussion with Glen we cover his recent work on COVID-19, his recently published essay “AI is an ideology, not a technology” co-authored with Jaron Lanier, his belief in the urgent need...2020-06-0847 min
InterdependenceInterdependence 6 - Professor Guy StandingIn this latest episode we talk with Professor Guy Standing, who has been at the forefront of Basic Income research for 30 years, running pilots all over the world. We discuss his original concept of “The Precariat”, a new class that might be familiar to many listeners, the moral case for a basic income and its fans in US politics and Silicon Valley, and his vision of a future of a new left built upon enlightenment principles. Links!Guy Standing: https://www.guystanding.com/Basic Income Earth Network: https://basicincome.org/The...2020-06-0450 min
InterdependenceInterdependence 5 - Liz PellyIn this episode we speak with the writer Liz Pelly, who over the past 5 years has written a series of revelatory critical pieces about the streaming economy for The Baffler.We discuss whether the distinction of Independence is all that useful in music at this point in history, take a look at the ways in which the streaming platforms flatter some kinds of music and have flattered to deceive for others, and question what the recent Spotify exclusivity deal with Joe Rogan might mean for musicians.This is a nice and long conversation, and we...2020-05-2950 min
InterdependenceInterdependence 4 - Jesse Engel (Google Magenta)In this episode we talk with Jesse Engel, musician, Senior Research Scientist at Google Brain and creative lead of the Magenta project. Magenta is an open source research project exploring the role of machine learning as a tool in the creative process, developed by numerous researchers and engineers from the Google brain team, Google’s self directed machine intelligence group. Amongst many things we discuss the role and research focus of Magenta, look at how research lab OpenAI’s recent Jukebox project raised some necessary ethical debates around the puppeteering of living artists voices and styles...2020-05-2249 min
InterdependenceInterdependence 3 - Trevor McFedries (Brud / Lil Miquela)In this episode we catch up with Trevor McFedries, founder of the meta media studio Brud ( (http://brud.fyi/) ), whose digital avatar artist and influencer Lil Miquela recently caused a stir through signing with one of the worlds premier talent agencies, CAA.We discuss the origins of the project, why he sees Miquela as more of a challenge to Mickey Mouse than human artists, and also some pretty bold ideas for how avatar led projects might help us reorganise the music industry to be more equitable.
2020-05-1539 min
InterdependenceInterdependence 2: AI and Music with François Pachet & Benoit CarréWe are joined by research scientist and Director of Spotify's CTRL lab François Pachet and his collaborator, the composer Benoit Carré to discuss how the latest in AI research offers a new paradigm for both composition and the concept of authorship and ownership.This will be one of many times we pursue conversations with researchers at the cutting edge of Artificial Intelligence and music, not only because it offers a glimpse into the future of music, but also the greater economy. Music is often the first to feel the tremors for greater economic earthquakes, so it fee...2020-05-0843 min
InterdependenceInterdependence 001. Evgeny MorozovIf you are interested in reading Evgeny's new piece in the Guardian, visit:https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/apr/15/tech-coronavirus-surveilance-state-digital-disruptSign up to Evgeny's Syllabus project to receive a weekly syllabi curated around your interests:https://the-syllabus.com/If you would like to support this series, please visit:https://www.patreon.com/interdependence2020-05-0154 min
PODIUM Podcast#bebeethoven (Folge 2)– Holly Herndon, Mat Dryhurst & Koka NikoladzeIm Jahr 2020 wäre Ludwig van Beethoven 250 Jahre …
Im Jahr 2020 wäre Ludwig van Beethoven 250 Jahre alt geworden. Das nehmen 12 Künstler*innen zum Anlass, sich im Rahmen des Projekt #bebeethoven von PODIUM Esslingen drei Jahre lang ausgiebig mit den zentralen Zukunftsthemen der Kunstmusik auseinander zu setzen. In diesem Podcast stellen wir sie vor.
In der zweiten Folge: Koka Nikoladze & Holly Herndon & Mat Dryhurst
#bebeethoven ist ein Beitrag im Rahmen von BTHVN2020, dem offiziellen Beethoven Jubiläumsprogramm. Weitere Infos zum Projekt: www.bebeethoven2020.com
Gefördert durch die Kulturstiftung des Bundes.
Darüber hinaus wird das Projekt gefördert vom Land Bade...2018-02-0322 min