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Kropp & SjälDonatorbarnen har vuxit uppAnna-Karolina kom till genom spermiedonation på 80-talet. När hon är vuxen vill hon veta sitt genetiska ursprung. Men det blir allt annat än enkelt. Lyssna på alla avsnitt i Sveriges Radios app. Sedan decennier har barn kommit till genom spermiedonation i Sverige. Nu har många av de så kallade donatorbarnen blivit vuxna - och börjat ställa frågor. Vilka anlag har jag? Finns det syskon till mig?Anna-Karolina är fem år gammal när får hon veta att hennes pappa har fått låna spermier av en annan man. Hon u...
2025-11-1155 min
Three Makes Baby PodcastDonor Conception Awareness Day: How to Join the MovementInternational Donor Conception Awareness Day (IDCAD) is coming up on April 27, 2025, and in this episode, I’m sharing how you can get involved in this growing global movement. Whether you're a parent, a donor-conceived person, a professional, or simply an ally, there’s a meaningful way for you to participate.
IDCAD is about lifting the shame and secrecy around donor conception and centering the voices of those with lived experience. This year, partners from the U.S., U.K., Australia, Canada, and beyond are joining in to raise awareness and advocate for more ethical, transparent practices in dono...
2025-04-1104 minThree Makes Baby PodcastEggonomics, Egg Donation Research with Dr. Diane ToberIn this special episode, fertility counselor Jana Rupnow invites Dr. Diane Tober, a medical anthropologist and associate professor at the University of Alabama, to discuss the intricate dynamics of egg donation. Dr. Tober delves into her research on egg donors and the global market for human eggs, providing insights into the experiences and challenges faced by donors.
Dr. Tober shares compelling stories from her book "Eggonomics," including her eye-opening experience in a Spanish clinic observing an egg retrieval procedure, which shed light on the vulnerability and lack of recognition experienced by donors.
Listeners will learn...
2024-11-261h 16Three Makes Baby PodcastAn Egg Donor's Medical Scare Prompts Her to Look for Recipient ParentsIn this heartfelt episode, I speak with Angela, an egg donor who shares her medical scare that could impact the lives of the children born from her donations.
As an egg donor beginning in 2010, with children herself, she share her challenges with anonymity and the feelings she has had since donating, including the responsibility she feels to inform the children born from her donations of a potentially heritable condition.
Angela advocates for better transparency and communication within the egg donation field. This episode is a powerful reminder of the interconnectedness of our actions and the...
2024-08-1443 minThree Makes Baby PodcastDr. Jill Maron on Donor Conception and Genetic TestingHost Jana Rupnow engages in a compelling conversation with Dr. Jill Maron, Chief of Pediatrics at Women's and Infant Hospital and Professor of Pediatrics at Brown University. Dr. Maron shares her unique perspective as both a neonatologist and a donor-conceived individual, offering a deeply personal account of discovering her genetic origins at the age of 46.
Dr. Maron discusses the ethical implications of DNA testing for donor-conceived children, the unregulated donor system in the United States, and the psychological burden that can accompany genetic revelations. She also highlights the importance of protecting children's autonomy and ensuring responsible practices...
2024-07-0955 min
The IVF Support Space62. Navigating the Donor Egg Pathway: Essential ConsiderationsSend us a textWelcome to the Donor Egg Mama podcast! In today's episode, we continue our "Back to Basics" series, providing an in-depth overview of key considerations on the donor egg pathway. As your guide, I've supported many women through this journey, from initial overwhelm to the joy of holding their babies. We'll cover essential emotional, medical, and social aspects to help you navigate this path with confidence and support.What You Will Learn:Psychological Considerations: The role of psychological evaluations in the donor egg process and how to use these a...
2024-06-2514 min
The Egg Whisperer ShowHow to Parent Your Donor Conceived Child with guest Jana RupnowGet the full show notes: https://www.draimee.org/three-makes-baby-how-to-parent-your-donor-conceived-child On the journey to growing a family, more and more people are choosing donor eggs or sperm as an option. As a community, it's time to further the conversation about how to embrace donor conception as an option because the fact is: every woman will run out of eggs at some point in her life, and it doesn't change the fact that she may still want to grow her family. I'm delighted to have author, and therapist, Jana Rupnow on the podcast this week to talk about...
2024-05-0620 minThree Makes Baby PodcastLindsay B on same donor siblings, DNA testing your child and more (Part 2)Lindsay, a donor-conceived individual. continues to share her perspective on International Donor Conception Awareness Day, 2024.
Learn one person's perspective on controversial issues like donor anonymity, DNA testing, health information, and emotional ramifications. She shares how genetics significantly influence our sense of self and how comprehending biological lineage can be not only revealing but also liberating.
importance of early and open conversations with donor-conceived children, fostering understanding, and acceptance. This episode highlights the integral role of a donor in a recipient's identity formation and underscores the shared responsibility of parents to acknowledge and celebrate their child's...
2024-04-2759 minThree Makes Baby PodcastLindsay B. Returns with New Narrative (Part1)It's the 4th annual International Donor Conception Awareness Day and in line with the theme, "Valuing the Voices of Donor Conceived People" I welcome Lindsay again, a donor-conceived individual, to share her profound story of self-discovery and conception. Lindsay talks about her journey and the transformation in her perspective over time. Lindsay’s story serves as a prominent example of the shifting dynamics in the discourse around donor parents and donor-conceived individuals and it defines the essence of our conversation. Follow Lindsay's narrative as she ventures through years of uncertainty, exploration and affirmation, grappling with complex emotions and a dee...
2024-04-2711 minThree Makes Baby PodcastKnown Sperm Donation Program is Finally AvailableThe future of donor conception is here! This episode features my special guest Danielle of The Seed Scout. She shares her and her wife's path to parenthood, including the challenges they faced with sperm banks.
Danielle and her wife's path to parenthood took them through the maze of sperm banks, encountering impersonal processes that left them feeling disconnected. Fueled by this experience, they opted for a known donor, taking control of their process and creating a better way for others. We explore their challenges, shedding light on the significance of openness in genetic origins and the importance...
2024-03-0950 minThree Makes Baby PodcastA Donor Conception MusicalAfter taking some time off for several positive life transitions in 2023, Jana returns to her podcast with a bang!
To kick off season 4, she's chatting with the multi-talented Erin Maya – actress, producer, composer, and the brains behind The Complete Picture Musical, a groundbreaking show about donor conception. Together, they unpack the birth of this musical gem and explore the complexities of donor conception, busting myths and shedding light on what it's really like.
Trust is a big theme here, especially when it comes to the bond between parents and donor-conceived kids. Erin shares her own jo...
2024-02-191h 00
InseminationEpisode 6: Counseling Recipient ParentsIf you are a recipient parent or are thinking about using donor conception this episode is a MUST. Our guest on this episode is therapist and author Jana Rupnow whose specialty is counseling recipient parents. In this episode we dive into infertility trauma, how to tell your child they're donor-conceived, and when. We also hear about the TERRIFYING events Jana has witnessed while working for the Infertility Industry.
2023-05-031h 21Three Makes Baby PodcastOvercoming SecretsApril 27, 2023 is International Donor Conception Awareness Day.
Link to IDCAD2023: https://donorconceptionawarenessday.com/
Link to educational courses for parents and CEUs for professionals
CEUS: https://three-makes-baby-preparation-and-parenting.teachable.com/p/home
Fertility challenges can cause intense feelings that make you want to withdraw and hide. It’s important to understand the difference between secrecy and privacy and how the shame of infertility may live on.
Secrecy is when you actively withhold information from others, often out of fear or shame. This can be detrimental to your mental health and relationships as...
2023-04-1110 minThree Makes Baby PodcastAnonymous Egg Donor Wants to Be Known"Alot of times, donors are just viewed as genetic material." Melissa, an egg donor for two years, shares her experience with anonymous donation. Now that she has children she wonders what happened with her donations. She wonders if the kids are alright. She expresses her willingness to be open and connect with the recipient parents and children, while also respecting boundaries.
If you'd like to learn more about how to prepare to connect, I've got some resources for you! Making Contact is a how-to guide to prepare for contact whether you are a donor, donor conceived person...
2023-02-1443 min
The Egg Whisperer ShowThree Makes Baby: How to Parent Your Donor Conceived ChildOn the journey to growing a family, more and more people are choosing donor eggs or sperm as an option. As a community, it's time to further the conversation about how to embrace donor conception as an option because the fact is: every woman will run out of eggs at some point in her life, and it doesn't change the fact that she may still want to grow her family. I'm delighted to have author, and therapist, Jana Rupnow on the podcast this week to talk about donor conception. Find the full show notes on my website...
2023-01-2019 minThree Makes Baby PodcastRecipient Parent and Her ”Unknown” Sperm Donor MeetEver wondered what it would be like to meet the donor you used to conceive? A recipient parent, Romi, and her previously unknown sperm donor, meet and share their experience with Jana Rupnow on this episode of Three Makes Baby.
2022-12-0938 minThree Makes Baby PodcastDave Berry: Re-making Identity after Discovering Hard Truths about your Biological Origins
Dave Berry, featured on Good Morning America and the New York Times, bravely shares a difficult discovery about his biological origins. His biological father was his mom's fertility doctor, who used his sperm without her consent to conceive him.
There are some even darker details in this episode, as well as moments of once in a lifetime happiness. If you think it's rare for biological siblings in different families to bump into each other, you may be shocked by the story he tells about his sisters.
Dave's resiliency and compassion to help others is truly inspiring. He is speaking out...
2022-05-2945 min
Three Makes Baby PodcastAlly’s Take on Neverending New Siblings
In this episode of @threemakesbaby, she shares how her relationship with a growing number of half-siblings has evolved over time, including some of the joys and challenges. Ally shares what it's like to learn of new siblings and how she copes with not knowing how many more are out there. We also confront the idea that bumping into an unknown half-sibling is rare and discuss why limiting the number of families that use a single donor is important.
I know you will enjoy her honest and thoughtful perspective as always!
Parents, if you wonder how your donor conceived child may ex...
2022-05-0851 minThree Makes Baby PodcastLesbian and Donor Conceived, a New PerspectiveJana Rupnow talks to the woman behind @satricaldonorconception, a lesbian and donor conceived adult. We discussed one of her posts that caused a stir in the LGBTQ community and talk about some of the complex issues about family building using purchased donor gametes. She confronts the idea of a two parent household as being "revolutionary" and challenges new ways of looking at family building to within her community, especially to consider the needs of donor conceived people, like herself.
2022-04-2643 minThree Makes Baby PodcastStacy’s Success Story
I spoke with the founder of RISE Collaborative, @stacytaubman, about her late discovery of being donor conceived. She is in contact with her biological father, a prominent plastic surgeon, and writing a book about her experience. If you haven't told your child, adult or younger, if they are donor conceived, Stacy encourages it. (You could plan to do it on IDCAD, April 27, 2022)
Listen to our conversation, episode 70 of @threemakesbabypodcast.
2022-04-1336 minThree Makes Baby PodcastKiara Raised by Single Mom by ChoiceKiara shares her experienced being raised by a single mom and what it was like being told about her story from the beginning. She found her donor as an adult and has a relationship with siblings conceived using the same donor. She is open and willing to share her story with others. Connect with her on social media: @kiararaeschuh
*I use the terminology the dc person wishes to use.
2022-03-2929 minThree Makes Baby PodcastEmma, New Zealand native, embodies ”Curiosity, Perseverance and Happiness”Emma, New Zealand native, embodies her bio father's motto "Curiosity, Perseverance and Happiness" as she shares her story of being donor conceived and the reason for her advocacy work.
2022-03-2050 min
Donor Conception and SurrogacyDo you need to tell your child they are donor conceived?Jana M. Rupnow, MA, LPC, is a licensed professional counsellor and consultant specializing in fertility and family building. Jana has helped hundreds of people facing the challenges of infertility as well as those preparing for third-party family building and adoption.Jana works independently in private practice in Dallas, Texas. She has built relationships with fertility doctors across the country to help their patients with the psychological challenges of donation conception prior to medical intervention. She works with couples, parents, donors, agencies, and endocrinologists across the nation in her Dallas offices and via video platform or phone. Jana...
2022-02-1639 minThree Makes Baby PodcastDan Experiences ”Unthought Known”Dan provides a male perspective of being donor conceived and experiencing infertility, touching on toxic masculinity that perpetuates reproductive secrets. Dan shares how being different felt like it was bad in his family and how his late discovery of his biological father helped him understand his truth.
2022-02-0946 min
The Stork and IS5: E2 Jana Rupnow, Family Building TherapistIn todays episode I chat to licensed professional counselor and international consultant specializing in fertility and family building, Jana Rupnow.
Jana M. Rupnow, MA, LPC, is best-selling author of the book, Three Makes Baby-How to Parent Your Donor-Conceived Child. She introduced the field to the “five common fears” that parents face as they contemplate having a non-biological child. Thousands of readers around the world have trusted the wisdom and guidance because she knows firsthand what it’s like to be in a non-biological family, as an adoptee and adoptive mom.
Jana also faced infertility and has helped...
2022-02-0936 min
Right to Know Weekly RoundupFeb 4 Weekly Round-UpRTK is now listed as a resource for Ancestry.com under unexpected matches - yea! We testified on SB 5348 in WA. Traci Portugal who is the product of doctor fertility fraud testified first. Jennifer Morris Gorgarten who is a Biostatistics professor at UW, a married lesbian mom who had her children through assisted reproduction with a donor and who has donated eggs - all known from birth, testified next. Licensed therapist Jana Rupnow, LPC who wrote “Three Makes Baby, How to Parent Donor-Conceived Children” added “some families are open with their children regarding their conception but do not unde...
2022-02-0406 min2022-02-0203 minThree Makes Baby PodcastPeter, author of Uprooted, shares his personal storyUprooted offers a personal view of the consequences of secrecy in the practice of donor conception. A prominent CEO, Peter Boni, uncovers a family secret that both validates and disrupts his life. Combing his extensive research of the early practice of donor insemination with his own genetic discoveries, Boni reveals the questions, uncertainties and confusion he faced, as well as the exhilaration of connecting with genetic kin.
Boni provides a detailed history of the practice of donor conception, walking us through the social, legal and religious climate that encouraged secrets in reproductive technology and stunted t...
2022-01-2537 minRight to Know Weekly RoundupJan 7 Weekly Round UpLegislative sessions start next week and we'll be busy. We highlight our MI legislation this week. The legislation creates a crime of Assisted Reproduction Fraud punishable with up to 5 years in jail and $50,000 for anyone who provides false information in the assisted reproduction process or uses gametes not expressly consented to by the patient. Doctors who use their own sperm would face an additional punishment of up to 15 years in jail and $100,000 fine and would lose their medical license if convicted. The bill also creates a civil cause of action for false representation in assisted reproduction with standing for...
2022-01-0704 min
NPE StoriesPenny's StoryPenny was a really big secret in a really repressed family. NPE Stories is a podcast where NPEs can share their story of what their original family was like. How they found out they were an NPE. And what their journey has been like since the day they found out.Welcome to Episode 111 where today I am speaking with Penny.Mentioned Right to Know Community and Connection event on Jan 9th 12pm PST.Host licensed therapist Jana Rupnow LPC, guiding a discussion of rebuilding trust after betrayal.Email RSVP@RightToKnow.us for...
2022-01-051h 15Right to Know Weekly RoundupDec 31 Weekly Round UpIf you missed our last webinar, Not My Parent's Child, with Dr. Berryessa, Brad Ewell, and Wendi Babst where we discussed the intersection of ethics, genetics, criminology, psychology, and misattributed parentage, it is now available on our MPE-Education website. Check out other past webinars such as the one with Rock guitarist Dan McKinnon and Actor, Singer, Artist, Writer – well, all-around super talented Cory Goodrich where they discuss how music, art, and writing has helped them through their misattributed parentage discovery.We just added a new general class, Understanding Your Ancestry.com DNA Results in collaboration with DNAngles. Ke...
2021-12-3104 minRight to Know Weekly RoundupDec 10 Weekly Round UpThank you to Assemblymember Jacobson in New York who coordinated with Assemblymember Lunsford to co-sponsor the legislation, A00718A. These two amazing politicians worked tirelessly with Senator Brouk and Biaggi to sponsor this legislation in the Senate. Thanks to therapist Kate Murphy for making last week's community and connection fabulous. The topic of our lack of medical history came up and it touched a nerve. Not a surprise, since according to our MPE Survey 2021, 70% of respondents said that not knowing about their medical history made them anxious. Check out Kate’s presentation and suggested resources. Join us on...
2021-12-1003 minThree Makes Baby PodcastTiffany Loses Three Dads, Advocates after Being Cut-off by Biological FatherTiffany shares her story of paternal loss, how it has shaped her life and how it fuels her advocacy work for donor conceived people.
2021-11-2349 minThree Makes Baby PodcastFreya (Unicornthebook) is Donor Conceived & Raising a Donor Conceived Daughter, Two MomsFreya shares her experience being raised in a two mom family, connecting with her biological father and parenting her donor conceived daughter, Birdie, with her wife.
2021-11-1454 minThree Makes Baby PodcastJana‘s Reaction to Donor 9623
Jana's Reaction to Donor 9623
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Dov Fox (Author, Narrator), Audible Originals (Publisher)
When scores of aspiring parents turned to the fertility industry to start families, they chose a remarkable young man to be the biological father of their children. He was a music prodigy and gifted athlete who had a genius IQ, movie star looks, and perfect health.
Except it was all a lie.
In this tour de force of investigative reporting, host Dov Fox unravels the case of Donor 9623, examining the complex forces and competing agendas behind the biggest reproductive hoax...
2021-10-1907 minThree Makes Baby PodcastRomi and Britt (Two Mom Family) Seek to Understand Their Child‘s PerspectiveRomi and Britt, two moms through sperm donation, share their journey to better understanding their child's potential perspective. Britt shares how she has worked through her vulnerabilities as the non-genetic parent and has a totally different view from when they first embarked on this journey. Romi's lived personal experience with non-genetic family life, gives her an inside understanding of the irreplaceable role of parenting.
Update since the recording: They connected with their child's donor.
2021-10-0930 min
Three Makes Baby PodcastLindsay Keeps Her Biological Father‘s SecretLindsay shares difficult feelings around being donor conceived like, the guilt and divided loyalty she felt between her dad and the desire to know more about her biological father. She explains how the lack of genetic mirroring impacted her as she searched for her identity in strangers faces as a teenager. Lindsay found her biological father but still must keep his secret. She shares how being "severed" from biological family has impacted her in Part 1 of this episode.
In Part 2, we explore ideas around DNA testing and whose story it is to share.
2021-10-0350 min
The Fertility PodcastDonor Sperm and Treatment abroadIn this episode, we’re talking about donor sperm and treatment abroad. We have discussed donor conception on the podcast before and refer throughout the episode to previous chats we’re had as we’ve spoken to egg donors, as well as organizations that help match you with donors both in the UK and abroad and we’ve heard your stories about having treatment abroad with a donor egg or sperm, for a multitude of reasons. The idea of using a donor to make your baby can take a lot of time to get your head around and it's...
2021-09-0649 minThe Fertility PodcastDonor Sperm and Treatment abroadIn this episode, we’re talking about donor sperm and treatment abroad. We have discussed donor conception on the podcast before and refer throughout the episode to previous chats we’re had as we’ve spoken to egg donors, as well as organizations that help match you with donors both in the UK and abroad and we’ve heard your stories about having treatment abroad with a donor egg or sperm, for a multitude of reasons. The idea of using a donor to make your baby can take a lot of time to get your head around and it's...
2021-09-0649 minThree Makes Baby PodcastOlivia Montuschi Shares a Lifetime of Experience as a Parent through Donor ConceptionOlivia Montuschi, co-founder of the Donor Conception Network in England, has over 35 years of experience as a parent to donor-conceived children and is the author of several resources for parents.
Olivia shares her personal story as well as the story of how the @d_c_network was born.
In this episode, she shares valuable perspectives from her interviews with donor conceived teenagers. Their perspectives were included in her latest book, Continuing the Conversation which is available for purchase through @d_c_network.
Below are my comments on her latest publication:
Continuing the...
2021-06-271h 12Three Makes Baby PodcastEducating Children about the Different Ways Families are MadeGuest, Rachel Ginnochio, a sexuality and family building educator, writer and consultant shares her work to develop education curriculum to be inclusive of the many ways that families are made. Rachel is writing a book for middle grade readers about human reproduction and family formation and is writing comprehensive lessons for high school students that go beyond basic sex education.
Rachel's work can be found under the name Roads to Family at www.roadstofamily.com.
Music by Kevin McCleod, Half-Mystery, Podcast Host: Jana Rupnow
2021-06-2149 minThree Makes Baby PodcastInconceivedable, Part 2Bee of @inconceivedable tells the rest of her story. In 2020, Bee opened her 23and me account again to discovery 12 half-siblings. In this episode, Bee shares her raw emotions as she unravels a secret that re-defined her and her relationships. Follow @inconceivedable.
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2021-05-0249 min
Three Makes Baby PodcastInconceivedable, Part 1"Science is how I get pregnant." "Bee" of @Inconceivedable, recounts how her experiences with infertility lead her to an unexpected discovery about her family. A curious call makes her wonder if her dad was a sperm donor.
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2021-05-0123 min
Three Makes Baby PodcastAnnouncing International Donation Conception Awareness Day- April 27April 27, 2021 is the first International Donor Conception Awareness Day. Twenty-five partners around the world collaborated to bring you this day and the intentions behind it. Go to donorconceptionawarenessday.com for more and participate on the day by posting on your social media accounts on April 27, 2021. Listen to an interview with Jana Rupnow and Michelle of Donor Concierge to learn more about this new awareness day.
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2021-04-2119 minThree Makes Baby PodcastDid Nikita Find Her Donor?Nikita was my very first guest on the podcast. She came on to spread the word about her search to find her sperm donor in 30 days. Nikita was raised by a single mom who chose sperm donation to have her. The donation was out of the ordinary: a 50-year-old anonymous man donated sperm in the UK before 1997.
Nikita shares what she has discovered in the last 16 months. Her search led to an unexpected surprise!
Listen to see if you can help her find the man...
2021-03-1220 min
Three Makes Baby PodcastDr. Diane Tober Conducts the First Long-term Research on Egg DonorsDr. Tober is an assistant professor at the University of California San Francisco Institute for Health and Aging. She's also faculty at Bixby Center for Reproductive Health in the Department of Anthropology, History and Social Medicine.
Dr. Tober is conducting the largest mixed method study on egg donors, with over 500 egg donors from all over the world. It began eight years ago with a call from an egg donor with a group called, We Are Egg Donors. Many of the members of her group had complications and they felt it was important wanted to collaborate to follow...
2021-01-1352 minThree Makes Baby PodcastHannah's Resilency After Learning She Was Donor Conceived in a Hurtful WayHannah's resiliency after learning she was donor conceived in a hurtful way
Her parents waited too long to tell her the truth. Hannah’s parents intended to tell her about her donor conception but never found the right moment. Then it was too late. Someone else who knew the secret, revealed the secret to Hannah in a hurtful way. By this time, Hannah’s dad had developed Alzheimer’s and she could no longer talk to him about it.
Hannah speaks about how she used to be fundamentally opposed to donor conception but her viewpoint is shi...
2020-12-1746 min
Three Makes Baby PodcastEric Shares His Experience Raising His Donor Conceived Children into Teen YearsEric is a father to two teenagers who were donor conceived and started a blog 15 years ago called "Life as Dad to Donor Insemination (DI) Kids." His experience is invaluable to younger parents just starting their journey.
Eric has a child-centered focus and shares his experience with dc feelings, including anger and ambivalence. He addresses the challenges that dc adults have faced with banks and consequences of dishonesty. Eric shares with host, Jana Rupnow, how parents can cope with feelings of guilt and how to have an ongoing conversation with your kids as they grow.
2020-12-071h 05Three Makes Baby PodcastBONDING WITH BABY VISUALIZATION from Three Makes Baby Audiobook
Enhance your bonding and attachment to your baby by using this visualization before or during pregnancy.
Three Makes Baby Audiobook, Exercise #12, is narrated by the author, Jana Rupnow, and will help you to overcome any obstacles making it more challenging for you to bond with your baby.
2020-12-0201 min
Three Makes Baby PodcastKyle, Raised by a Single Mom Always Knew about his Donor ConceptionRaised by a single mom, Kyle shares his experiences about knowing that he was sperm donor conceived at an early age. We do a deep dive into several important topics, like, telling your child about their conception and avoiding the learned shame that a stigma can cause in family life. Parents commonly tell me they want to wait to tell their child until they are teenagers but Kyle has advice for parents. (You’ll have to listen to hear it.) 😉Kyle also explains how uncovering previously unknown genetic information added value to life and explored the r...
2020-11-0646 minThree Makes Baby PodcastRenee & Tom- How Infertilty Impacts Their RelationshipRenee and Tom manage grief as a couple on their long road of fertility treatments.
2020-10-1241 min
Three Makes Baby PodcastParents of DC Children Talk about the Hard Stuft- Part 2Jana Rupnow collaborated with FIVE parents of donor conceived children from FOUR countries (🏴 🇦🇺 🇨🇦 🇺🇸) to bring you a thoughtful dialogue about difficult topics surrounding donor conception. PART 2
Five parents of dc children ranging in age from several months old to fifteen years old, discuss topics that donor conceived adults struggle with and explore how they might handle these issues with their children. They did this to help open the dialogue about donor conception, understand the donor conceived viewpoint and help educate others.
I asked each parent this question: What are your thoughts on anonymity? How do you feel about your story of infertility...
2020-09-251h 01
Three Makes Baby PodcastTalking All About Sperm & Testing with Manager of Yo SpermMale factor infertility contributes to approx 30-40% of all fertility related problems. Unfortunately, azoospermia (zero sperm) is a condition that is becoming more common. .
So guys, I advise you to test your fertility early. Yes, before you’re even thinking of a family.
This kit by @yospermtest is a simple screening test that can help you identify issues with your count. It works with your smart phone and even gives you a video you can send to your doctor. I’ll be doing a story about how the test works soon! .
#spermtest #malefactorinfertility #infertility #ttc #vari...
2020-09-2235 min
Three Makes Baby PodcastParents of Donor Conceived Kids Talk about the Hard Stuff- Part 1 Jana Rupnow collaborated with FIVE parents of donor conceived children from FOUR countries (🏴 🇦🇺 🇨🇦 🇺🇸) to bring you a thoughtful dialogue about difficult topics surrounding donor conception.
These “fantastic five” parents,
@sarahbethhumphreys, @definingmum, @pursuingfatherhood, @donorconceptionandbeyond and @vincelondini
discuss topics that donor conceived adults struggle with and explore how they might handle these issues with their children. They did this to help open the dialogue about donor conception, understand the donor conceived viewpoint and help educate others.
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I asked each parent this question:
Some donor conceived adults express a distaste for the business aspect of donor conception, feelin...
2020-09-1425 minThree Makes Baby PodcastVince Speaks Openly About Male Infertility & Lead a Support Group for Other MenFifteen years ago, Vince received news from a doctor that he had “complete azoospermia” and he describes how confusing and shocking that moment was.
He openly speaks about infertility to help other men with issues that impacts men with male factor infertility like masculinity, passing on the family name, and how society impacts a man with infertility, especially the imposed shame.
He also leads a support group in Ontario, Canada and is involved with Donor Conception Canada. Vince (@vincelondini).
#spermdonation #mfi #malefactorinfertility #azoospermia #infertility #fertility
2020-09-1050 minThree Makes Baby PodcastBrittany's Discovers Her Donor Keeps Donating Beyond Recommended LimitBrittany used an egg donor to conceive and bravely shared her feelings about letting go of the biological child she couldn’t have. She’s back to share an update and some frustrating information about the egg donation process that she learned during her pregnancy.
Donors are supposed to be limited to a certain number of donations both for health risks and long-term family management issues. In other words, to avoid the complications that come with having an unmanageable amount of half-siblings. Unfortunately, this limit is not enforceable and intended parents must rely on the ethics of age...
2020-09-0720 minThree Makes Baby PodcastEmma, a Donor Conceived Adult & Triplet of a Single, Gay Mom Shares Thoughts about Her "Biological Father"Emma, a Donor Conceived Adult & Triplet of a Single, Gay Mom Shares Thoughts about Her "Biological Father"
Emma is donor conceived and knew about her conception "before she understood." Her "superhero" mom used a donor to conceive and had triplets. She shares how she wondered about her biological father and tried to put together the pieces of him by looking at traits of her 100+ half-siblings.
2020-08-191h 07
Three Makes Baby PodcastGail, a Mom Via Sperm Donation, Advocates for Change in the FieldGail, a mom through sperm donation, advocates for regulation and legislation in donor conception. Gail lives in Australia and was appalled to find out her daughter has over 100 half-siblings. She shares her daughter's feelings about donor conception as well as some unpleasant truths about the practices that occur in the field.
2020-08-0754 min
Three Makes Baby PodcastSheri, Author of You Were Meant for Me, Shares Her Story of Embryo Adoption I speak with Sheri, the author of @youweremeantformebook. She shares her story of embryo adoption and what inspired her to write a children’s book for her son. The children’s book about embryo adoption is also available through Amazon.
(Please excuse the sound quality. Sheri’s microphone was garbled at times.)
In this podcast episode, Sheri discusses anonymity and the importance of DNA to the child. Knowing the perspective of donor conceived adults, I thought it was important that Sheri could share her thoughts and feelings about the book’s title as well as the symbolic imagery o...
2020-07-2830 minThree Makes Baby PodcastKimberly Explains Embryo Adoption Model with the Snowflakes ProgramWhat is the difference between embryo adoption and embryo donation?Kimberly Tyson, Executive Director of the first embyro adoption program in the world, explains the agency’s model for embryo adoption. Kimberly also touches on the difference between embyro adoption and traditional adoption.
2020-07-2150 minThree Makes Baby PodcastKerry Pursues Embryo Adoption & Open RelationshipKerri and Chris independently pursue embryo adoption after failed fertility treatments with their biological embryos. Kerry explains the process of independent or self-directed adoption, which is adopting without the help of agency facilitation.
Kerrie is open with their child and has an open relationship with her donors, allowing her son to know his half-brothers from a young age.
2020-07-1639 minThree Makes Baby PodcastAlex Accidentialy Discovered Her Donor Conception and has Advice for ParentsI am honored to share another episode with a thoughtful person, Alex. She shares how she discovered her parent's secret of using a sperm donor and how it has impacted her for the last two years.
2020-07-0939 minThree Makes Baby PodcastJen Wonders if Adoption is Right after a Traumatic PregnancyJen wonders if adoption is right for her after a high risk, traumatic pregnancy with triplets.
🚨 Trigger alert: 🚨This episode explores miscarriage, trauma and grief and some extremely difficult decisions about pregnancy. Adoption trauma is also explored.
🚨Spoiler alert🚨:I followed up with Jen on Friday and they have decided not to pursue adoption. Jen would like to remain anonymous but I applaud her decision to not pursue a choice that she recognized she was not up for.
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Becoming informed about adoption trauma and admitting it is NOT for you as a parent is 💯 OK.
2020-07-0640 minThree Makes Baby PodcastNikki Has Extra Challenges with Egg Donation as Person of ColorInfertility affects people of all races but women of color have extra challenges in the US.
Nikki shares the added challenges she has experienced with infertility as a person of color. From the social silence to the limited selection of donors, third party reproduction is even more difficult as a woman of color in the US.
2020-07-0132 min
Three Makes Baby PodcastEsther, Happily Raised by Two Moms, Has Strong Desire to Find Her Biological FatherEsther was raised by two moms and always knew they used an anonymous sperm donor to conceive. She grew up with other families like hers and always felt that being donor-conceived was normal. From a young age, she also wondered about her biological father and had a strong desire to search for him.
Esther talks about all of the emotions that come up before, during and after her search for her donor. She talks about the disillusionment of meeting her donor because of the fantasy she built in her mind.
2020-06-231h 21
Three Makes Baby PodcastRyan Shares Why She Chose to be a Known Egg DonorRyan chose to be a known egg donor through a freeze and share program in SF. She shares why it's important for her to be known to the recipient parents as well as her desire that at least one of the recipient parents also be black. Ryan's approach to egg donation will hopefully be the wave of the future. This episode is a discussion with Ryan both before and after COVID-19 and Black Lives Matter changed our social lives. Don't miss her update at the end of the episode as she shares how she connected with her intended parents...
2020-06-1653 min
Three Makes Baby PodcastTia & Her Husband Moved on from Trying to Be Parents & Are Living Boldy as a Family of TwoTia shares that, "After five incredibly taxing years, searching for the right combination of medication, lifestyle and luck, we are walking away from the path to become parents. It was always in our hearts to have a biological child, together, or not at all. We were never open to the idea of adoption or donor intervention, and while those alternatives are completely normal and logical next steps, we realized the bigger need is to create a live worth living together, as a family of two."
Don't miss this amazing new episode on life after fertility treatment and...
2020-06-1040 min
Three Makes Baby PodcastAnna Donated Her Eggs Anonymously & Later Experienced Secondary InfertilityDo you think a person should be a mother first, before they donate their eggs?
I interview an egg donor, Anna, who experienced secondary infertility after she donated. She shares how different the egg retrievals felt based on the circumstances.
She believes that donating gametes is NOT the same as donating blood.
It is NOT just a cell.
Anna believes that it is important to be a mother first so you understand what you are getting into before donating your eggs.
We also talk about anonymous donation in detail. It's an episode NOT to miss.
2020-05-2045 minThree Makes Baby PodcastAlly of Half of Me Podcast Updates Us On Her LifeBack by popular demand, Ally, a donor conceived adult and host of @halfofmepodcast, returns to update us on her life and how the pandemic has affected her career. This is an opportunity to get a glimpse of other aspects of a dc person's life that is unrelated to their conception. It's important to remember that a person is not entirely defined by one event, even though it may be a BIG part of them. We are reminded that having the ability to delve into donor conception issues are the sign of a higher evolved place of needs. Maslow's hierarchy...
2020-05-1322 min
Three Makes Baby PodcastAmelia's Fertility Treatment Delayed Due to PandemicSo many of you will relate to this podcast episode with @infertilebruises about delayed fertility treatment. Be sure to listen to the full episode for strength and inspiration.💪
In March, fertility authorities around the world recommended that all fertility treatments stop in an effort to minimize the spread of coronavirus. The result was devastating for many couples in mid-treatment. Although most people agree this was the best decision for public safety, it was also life-altering for many people.
The pandemic has delayed many couples chance at pregnancy around the world.
I spoke with Amelia with @infe...
2020-05-0753 min
Three Makes Baby PodcastNick Uses Humor and a Podcast to Cope with His AzoospermiaNick Denton, a voice actor and host of The Male Infertility Podcast speaks frankly about his medical condition that caused his infertility, azoospermia, commonly known as zero sperm. His humorous and plain approach to the topic are opening the conversation and hopefully, lifting the shame around this increasingly more common condition.
He speaks about the pressure around sex, how he supports his wife and how he feels about using a sperm donor. Be sure to listen to his podcast on all the normal platforms and follow him on Instagram @maleinfertilitypodcast.
2020-04-2854 min
Three Makes Baby PodcastAmy's Husband's Azoospermia Diagnosis Caused Him to Feel Shame & Self-blame.Amy's husband was diagnosed with azoospermia and wasn't open to donation at first. After failed surgeries, they were able to move forward with sperm donation. Amy talks about his feelings, the donor selection process and her need for privacy during her pregnancy.
#azoospermia
2020-04-2342 min
Three Makes Baby PodcastElena becomes close friends with her donor, Amy, like extended family.Elena's story of known donation is special and rare. While secrecy in the field of donor conception is slowly emerging from the shadows of secrecy and unknown donation (formerly anonymous donation) is still more prevalent, Elena and Amy are breaking the mold.
Amy donated her eggs to Elena, who had been through an unimaginable number of failed fertility treatments with her husband. Amy followed her journey and stepped forward to help. Both woman had daughter's close in age and have become great friends.
Elena talks about her relationship with Amy in this episode. Listen to...
2020-04-2137 min
Three Makes Baby PodcastSarah's Known Donor is a Friend & Pregnancy During a PandemicSarah shares her story of using a known donor. An extraordinary friendship leads to her pregnancy during a historic time. Sarah speaks about her long journey of infertility, the difficulty of pursing anonymous donation, and the immeasurable and timely gift of egg donation from a friend 4,000 miles away. Sarah speaks to what it is like to be pregnant during a pandemic and how lock down feels alot like the isolation she felt during infertility. She offers hope to those on an uphill climb to conceiving.
2020-04-1534 min
Three Makes Baby PodcastAn EXLUSIVE with Julie, the Author of the Happy Together Children's Book SeriesJulie experience premature ovarian failure and was concerned about her fertility. Her fears came true when she realized she couldn't have a biological child. She turned her pain into a gift for others, through her series of children's books. Her books are designed to create new narratives for all types of families created through donation; heterosexual or same-sex couples, a family through a gestational carrier or an embryo adoption, her books are ground-breaking for the fertility field.
2020-04-0850 min
Three Makes Baby PodcastSarah Responds to Comments About Being the "Real Mom"Sarah, a mom through egg donation, shares, "Infertility grief doesn't actually end with having a beautiful child. Now the work on what this means in relation to living in our world begins."
2020-03-3149 min
Three Makes Baby PodcastDr. Julian Escobar Asks Me How His Patients Can Cope with UncertaintyJana, & Dr. Escobar, (fertility therapist and fertility doctor) met on zoom to talk about how the coronavirus is changing fertility treatments.
I sat down with Dr-Julian Escobar to talk about the uncertainty of healthcare during this coronavirus outbreak and how patients can cope with delayed fertility treatments.
2020-03-2327 min
Three Makes Baby PodcastAmira Shares Mindfulness TipsWelcome back to Season 2! So much has changed since the end of season 1. This episode, recorded in December was prophetic in a way. Amira Posner @thefertilemind shares ways to tap into mindfulness.
2020-03-1828 min
Three Makes Baby PodcastAllie P- Two Moms, "The Dude" & 80 Half-SiblingsIn this episode, Jana Rupnow, LPC speaks with Allie P, sperm-donor conceived and raised by lesbian moms. Allie always knew she was donor conceived and called the anonymous donor, “the dude”, before she knew who he was.Allie saw a commercial on TV and discovered approx 80 half-siblings through the donor sibling registry (DSR).She told me what it’s like to have 80 siblings and the differences and similarities of their experiences. She also spoke about how hard it is to manage a relationship with that many people. . .Allie was also able to identify and meet her donor...
2020-02-2536 min
Three Makes Baby PodcastAlex-Concerns about Fatherhood After Sperm DonationI was so excited to talk to Alex @pursuingfatherhood to hear a guy’s perspective and concerns about fatherhood.
Even more exciting is that he and his wife are expecting a baby girl any day now! .
Alex asks such an important question about how to share their unique conception story with others. He wants to do what is best for his child and wonders about the right time and people to tell.
I’ve had many people ask this same question and there is no simple answer. Talking about a sensitive topic before you are ready can...
2020-02-1934 min
Three Makes Baby PodcastBeth & Her Wife Use a Sperm Donor & Discover She was also Donor Conceived.Episode 19 of Three Makes Baby Podcast is 54 minutes that you won’t want to miss! Beth articulates her experience with donor conception in a way you likely haven’t heard yet. .Beth and her wife used a sperm donor to have their daughter and a few years later she discovered she was donor conceived from the results of a DNA test. Beth explains how her parents sat her down and the first thing her Dad said is, “We’ve been keeping a secret from you for 40 years.” Beth said she kept looking at her mom saying, “Is this real?”...
2020-02-1653 min
Three Makes Baby PodcastCam Was Born with Chromosomal Disorder that Causes InfertiltyCam bravely shares about a chromosomal disorder she was born with that causes female infertility, called Turner Syndrome. This podcast episode is special for two reasons, Cam is the youngest guest to be on the podcast so far. As a member of Gen Z, she is proactively researching her options to grow a family long before she is ready to start one. Interviewing Cam made me realize how much our dialogue around infertility has change over the past decade and how proud I am to be part of this ongoing campaign. Cam was 8 years-old when I started doing this w...
2020-02-0717 min
Three Makes Baby PodcastEloise- Klinefelter's Syndrome Lead to Sperm DonationEloise shares her story of how a chromosomal disorder, called Klinefelter's Syndrome, caused male-factor infertility for her husband. After an unsuccessful surgery to extract sperm from her husband, the couple moved on to use a sperm donor. Eloise, now with 3 children, shares how difficult the process was for her and her husband. The lack of resources and information left them feeling overwhelmed and without direction. She aims to change that for others.
2020-02-0342 min
Three Makes Baby PodcastKeeley Explains How Using an Egg Donor Affected Her HusbandKeeley found her love in her mid-thirties but after multiple fertility treatments and no official diagnosis, she concluded that her egg quality was low. Her story speaks to so many women that have a full life in their twenties before finding the partner they want to have a family with. Unfortunately, female fertility declines rapidly when women reach their mid-thirties. Keeley discusses the of loss of seeing both of them in their child. “My husband said a very sweet thing, 'But I married you'. The idealistic dream of having a child that looks like both of you.” Our conversation take...
2020-01-2756 min
Three Makes Baby PodcastJeremy, Raised by a Single Mom, Found his Donor and Half-SiblingsJeremy, who was sperm donor conceived and raised by a single mom shares the experience of meeting his donor and half-siblings. He talks about what the word “dad” means to him and how he relates to his donor today. We also talk about the show Almost Family and how parenting might influence or not influence how people feel about being donor conceived. It’s a great episode! We talk about hard stuff in a respectful way.
2020-01-2048 min
Three Makes Baby PodcastBecky's Emotional Talk about Egg Donation with Her DaughterBecky, a mom through egg donation, speaks about the emotions surrounding parenthood including grief, shame and fear. She aims to help lift the stigma and silence around donor conception through sharing her story.She shares her fears of talking to her daughter about her egg donor. "It human nature to want to protect ourselves as parents and for me, my daughter cannot ever be replaced. Fears that she may find the donor and I'd be replaced are there, but they aren't really realistic."Becky tells the story of the first moment she talked to her...
2020-01-1400 min
Three Makes Baby PodcastEllie Used a Donor After Secondary Infertilty & Needs to Tell her Biological ChildEllie's episode is packed with information about secondary infertility, miscarriage, hyperemesis, and how to talk to your fully-genetic older child about donor conception. Ellie also bravely shares her fears about others gossiping and judging her choice to use a donor to have her second child.
2020-01-0350 min
Three Makes Baby PodcastHoliday Edition: 5 Ways to Deal with Questions from FamilyConversation at holiday family gatherings can trigger unexpected emotions, especially if you’ve been trying to conceive.
Aunt Alice asks you when you’re going to have a baby or your pregnant cousin, Amanda, joke-brags about how she gets pregnant by just looking at her husband.
Anyone who doesn’t go down a so-called “normal” path to parenthood has encountered many types of questions: the curious, the intrusive, the rude, and the uninformed.
Why can’t you have a child? Why did you decide to do that? Why don’t you just _____(relax/be happy/ adopt/ try acupuncture...
2019-12-1906 min
Three Makes Baby PodcastAlly, Host of Half of Me Podcast; Reflections & Growth Over the Past YearAlly discovered she was donor conceived in January 2019. Since then, she has discovered over a dozen half-siblings and is still coming to terms with her new reality. Ally discusses the complexities of discovering and managing relationships with multiple half-siblings and "the process" of growth she has gone through. She shares things she would do differently now that almost a year has past since her discovery. Ironically, Ally also discovered this year that she and her husband would need treatment to have a baby, as her parents did 30 years ago. Ally, compassionately reflects on what her parents must have gone...
2019-12-1739 min
Three Makes Baby PodcastFran Regrets Keeping Her Daughter's Donor Conception a SecretThirty years ago, Fran's fertility doctor told to keep her donor conception a secret. She headed that advice against her intuition but when her daughter found out the truth as an adult, she regretted not being honest with her from the start. Grief and anger came up all over again. Fran describes the late discovery as disorienting to the entire family. She had to remember the good times by playing old cassette tapes again. Ultimately, Fran realized that her daughter needed her understanding. "It wasn’t about me, it was about her. I was still her mother, I was still th...
2019-12-1039 min
Three Makes Baby PodcastCassandra Discoverd She was Donor Conceived from DNA TestCassandra found out her father wasn't her biological dad from a DNA test in 2017. A mother herself, Cassandra had to re-work her sense of identity and navigate the complicated family dynamics that unfolded after discovering this 35-year secret. Broken trust and broken family relationships motivated Cassandra to make a difference. She advocates for the rights of donor-conceived individuals across various platforms @cassandrajadams. She is the moderator for the Facebook group Donor Conceived.
Learn more from individuals who were donor conceived on YouTube.
2019-12-0336 min
Three Makes Baby PodcastLiz Would Like to Know More about Her Egg DonorsLiz would like to know more about the women that helped her become pregnant with her children. After she lost her baby girl at 21 weeks gestation due to a heart defect, it was hard to move on to another donor. She was attached to the embryos, her baby’s biological potential siblings but the dream of them died. The clinic kept the information from the donor about the baby’s heart defect and has kept Liz from contacting the donor.
Her episode brought up some ethical questions: Shouldn’t the baby’s heart defect be shared wit...
2019-11-2649 min
Three Makes Baby PodcastColleen's Conception Concealed; Crooked Finger ConnectionColleen experienced infertility and her doctor recommended that she use an egg donor to conceive, but donor conception had turned her life upside down. Her own donor conception was concealed until she discovered the truth through a DNA test. Her biological dad was actually a medical student who donated his sperm anonymously.
Finding out she was donor-conceived later in life caused Colleen an existential crisis, but things also begin to make sense to her. She recalled a family gathering when her dad was looking at her hands and said, “You have a crooked pinky finger!” “I have a croo...
2019-11-1842 min
Three Makes Baby PodcastAngela Uses Art to Heal after MiscarriageWhat happens when 100 people collaborate to express their experiences around miscarriage? Listen to this epi to find out.
Infertility grief isn't widely recognized or understood by the public. Learn about the grieving process and why miscarriage after infertility is a more complicated type of grief.
Music: Half Mystery by Kevin Macleod
2019-11-1428 minThree Makes Baby PodcastBrittany Let Go of the Biological Child She Couldn't HaveTherapy helped Brit accept that her and her husband's baby would not share DNA with her. She shares how she had to let go of the fantasy children that she wouldn’t have, so she could accept the baby that was coming. She believes she’s going to get the ‘“little soul” she was meant to have. Also, discussed in this episode are the epigenetic misconceptions that lead mother’s to believe they could pass their DNA on to their egg donor conceived baby. We talk about making an extra effort to help your child feel like they are part of t...
2019-11-1234 minThree Makes Baby PodcastA Message for ParentsJana Rupnow explains the passion behind Three Makes Baby and why she loves working with with families who don't share the same genes.
2019-11-1101 minThree Makes Baby PodcastNikita's 30 Day Challenge to Find Her DonorNikita was raised by a single mom who chose sperm donation to have her. The donation was out of the ordinary: a 50-year-old anonymous man donated sperm in the UK before 1997. Listen to see if you can help her find the man that helped conceive her. If you have any information to share, email nikitatrue1997@gmail.com.
Music: Half Mystery by Kevin Macleod
2019-11-0732 minThree Makes Baby PodcastWhat to Expect from Three Makes Baby PodcastA brief introduction to the types of interviews you will hear on Three Makes Baby Podcast including stories about infertility, donor conception, adoption and the role of genetics in family life.
Three Makes Baby podcast gives you a glimpse into the emotions and psychology behind infertility. Host Jana Rupnow, fertility psychotherapist and author of Three Makes Baby-How to Parent Your Donor-Conceived Child, takes a deep dive with her guests, revealing unspoken truths when baby-making doesn’t go as planned. This podcast informs and raises awareness about the psychosocial issues created by advances in repr...
2019-11-0602 min
Adoption Advocacy PodcastJana Rupnow: Adoptee, Adoptive Parent, Fertility Psychotherapist and author of Three Makes BabyJana Rupnow comes on the podcast to discuss her experiences with adoption and what lead her to a career in donor conception counseling. Jana, along with her twin brother, were adopted shortly after birth in the 1970s. Jana discusses how she always saw her adoption as a positive experience, and did not process the deeper emotions surrounding her adoption until she experienced secondary infertility, and the adoption of her daughter from China. We uncover her journey from adoptee to adoptive parent, and how experiencing her daughters grief lead to her processing her own grief surrounding adoption. Jana is a...
2019-10-2200 min
Life After MiscarriageJANA RUPNOW- Psychology behind MiscarriageEpisode 21: Jana Rupnow
In this episode:
* The Psychology of Infertility & Pregnancy Loss
* Grief & Coping
* Navigating the Emotions of Loss
Jana uses her own experiences of adoption, infertility, and miscarriage to help others. She is a Fertility Psychotherapist whom Counciles Couples through the process of Loss in many different ways as well as through her book "Three Makes Baby."
Connect with Jana
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/janarupnowlpc/
Book: https://www.amazon.com/dp/1732549419/ref=olp_product_details?_encoding=UTF8&me=
Advice From Jana
- "Find the Balance and Learn the Skills on how to protect yourself with good boundaries. Know...
2019-03-0700 min