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Freedom Nation PodcastUnschooling, Homeschooling, and Rethinking Education with Moira MillsMost parents assume traditional school is the only path to prepare their kids for success. But with declining literacy rates, rising stress, and rigid systems, many children are left unprepared for real life.Parents know something feels broken. They see their kids losing curiosity, struggling with structure, or even dreading school. Yet, the idea of homeschooling or unschooling feels overwhelming—especially for busy professionals and entrepreneurs who think they don’t have the time.In this powerful episode, Jeff Kikel speaks with Moira Mills, who was raised completely unschooled and now helps families transition from trad...
2025-08-2148 min
Freedom Nation PodcastProfit First, Peace of Mind Later: How Debbie Deknight Built Financial Freedom from ZeroMost small business owners are working themselves to the bone… yet still feel broke. Revenue is coming in, but there’s never enough left over. Retirement feels like a pipe dream, and worst of all, there’s no safety net when life hits hard.This was Debbie Deknight’s reality—until a personal crisis forced her to quit her job and take control of her finances, her freedom, and her future. Like many entrepreneurs, she wanted time for family, financial stability, and a business that worked for her—not the other way around. But that path was anything but...
2025-08-1937 min
Freedom Nation PodcastWhy 80% of Businesses Don’t Sell — And How You Can Beat the Odds | Evan Poling on Exit Strategy & BizRetireMost business owners spend decades building their company—only to discover that when it’s time to sell, no one wants to buy it. In fact, 80% of businesses listed for sale never sell, leaving owners with nothing to show for years of hard work.That’s not just a missed payday—it’s a financial nightmare that could derail your Freedom Day plans. Add in shady brokers, outdated marketplaces, and unqualified buyers, and it’s no wonder small business owners are feeling stuck with no clear exit strategy.In this episode, Jeff Kikel sits down with Evan Po...
2025-08-0731 min
Freedom Nation PodcastUnlocking the Impossible: How Keith Ellis Helps Entrepreneurs 10X Their GoalsIn this episode of the Freedom Nation Podcast, host Jeff Kikel welcomes Keith Ellis, an expert coach and author, who has dedicated his life to helping entrepreneurs achieve the impossible. Keith shares his personal journey, from being fascinated by freedom and writing a college thesis on the topic to developing groundbreaking coaching frameworks like the Magic Lamp and Magic Questions. His latest work, the upcoming book 10 Breakthroughs to Make the Impossible Easy, promises to revolutionize how we approach seemingly unattainable goals.Key Takeaways:• The Power of Freedom and Intentionality: Keith defines freedom as the ability to...
2024-11-2243 min
Freedom Nation PodcastFrom Quarters to Cash Flow: How Jordan Berry Built a Freedom Engine with LaundromatsIn this episode of the Freedom Nation Podcast, host Jeff Kikel interviews Jordan Berry, founder of Laundromat Resource. Jordan shares his journey from being a pastor to becoming a laundromat owner and eventually creating a platform to help others achieve financial freedom through laundromats. He talks about the challenges he faced with his first "zombie mat" and how he turned those hard-learned lessons into a successful business model. This episode dives into the often-overlooked world of laundromats as a viable, low-risk investment opportunity for anyone looking to build a side hustle or a full-time income streamKey...
2024-11-1454 min
Freedom Nation PodcastCrafting a Life of Freedom: How Mike Handcock Built a Global Coaching EmpireIn this episode of the Freedom Nation Podcast, host Jeff Kikel interviews Mike Handcock, an international award-winning speaker, author, and founder of the Circle of Excellence group. Mike shares his journey from corporate life in New Zealand to creating a thriving coaching business that empowers entrepreneurs worldwide. His experiences—from building a business in construction to traveling the globe as a speaker—are filled with valuable insights on how to live freely and design a life that aligns with your dreams.Key Takeaways:• Transforming Adversity into Opportunity: Mike shares his incredible backstory, growing up as an orp...
2024-11-0735 min
Freedom Nation PodcastEscaping Robot Mode: How Rob Rob Tracz Transformed His Life and Now Coaches High PerformersIn this episode of the Freedom Nation Podcast, host Jeff Kikel interviews Rob Tracz, a coach who helps high achievers break free from "robot mode"—the state of being hyper-efficient but disconnected from life. Rob shares his journey from working non-stop in the fitness industry, even through personal hardships, to finding a new path that allowed him to balance his personal and professional life. Now, Rob helps others avoid burnout and find clarity, purpose, and true freedom in their lives.Key Takeaways:• Overcoming Burnout and Rediscovering Purpose: Rob shares how he grew up moving from plac...
2024-11-0526 min
Freedom Nation PodcastFrom the Streets to Success: How Petar Krastev Overcame Adversity to Build a Fitness EmpireIn this episode of the Freedom Nation Podcast, host Jeff Kikel speaks with Petar Krastev, a fitness coach and entrepreneur with an inspiring story of overcoming adversity. Petar shares his journey from growing up in tough circumstances in Bulgaria to becoming a successful online fitness coach. His journey, filled with hardship, resilience, and eventual triumph, shows how dedication, hard work, and a refusal to give up can transform anyone's life.Key Takeaways:• Overcoming Early Struggles: Petar grew up in a difficult environment, facing bullying and poverty. He shares how a toxic relationship, coupled with financial st...
2024-09-2435 min
Freedom Nation PodcastBecoming a Digital Nomad: How Ryan Mellon Escaped the 9-to-5 to Live and Work Around the WorldIn this episode of the Freedom Nation Podcast, host Jeff Kikel interviews Ryan Mellon, the Digital Nomad Coach. Ryan shares his incredible story of leaving behind two grueling full-time jobs to pursue a life of travel, freedom, and real estate investing. He talks about his transition from working 14-hour days at Chick-fil-A and UPS to becoming a real estate investor and digital nomad, traveling the world while maintaining financial independence. If you're ready to break free from the corporate grind, Ryan's story will inspire you to take the leap.Key Takeaways:• Breaking Free from the Gr...
2024-09-1931 min
Freedom Nation PodcastFrom Drug Dealer to Million-Dollar Sales Trainer: How Drewbie Wilson Turned His Life AroundIn this powerful episode of the Freedom Nation Podcast, host Jeff Kikel sits down with Drewbie Wilson, a former street hustler turned million-dollar sales trainer. Drewbie shares his inspiring story of transformation, from growing up selling drugs to becoming a successful entrepreneur and sales coach. He talks about how personal development, learning marketing, and embracing the value of time helped him build multiple businesses, including his "Call the Damn Leads" consulting firm. Drewbie's journey is a testament to the power of perseverance, mindset shifts, and making the most of every opportunity.Key Takeaways:• Overcoming a Ro...
2024-09-1240 min
Freedom Nation PodcastBuilding a Self-Publishing Empire: How Scott Allan Turned His Passion into a Thriving BusinessBuilding a Self-Publishing Empire: How Scott Allan Turned His Passion into a Thriving BusinessIn this episode of the Freedom Nation Podcast, host Jeff Kikel interviews Scott Allan, a prolific author, publisher, and one of the pioneers of the Amazon self-publishing world. Scott shares his journey from moving to Japan on a whim to becoming a successful self-publisher who has built a thriving business around his passion for writing. Listen in as Scott discusses the evolution of the self-publishing industry, the importance of adaptability, and how he has leveraged new tools and strategies to stay ahead in...
2024-09-0340 min
Freedom Nation PodcastMastering Life Optimization: How Matthew Tack Helps Men Achieve Their Full Potential in Health and BusinessIn this episode of the Freedom Nation Podcast, Jeff Kikel interviews Matthew Tack, co-founder of Full-Fueled and a successful entrepreneur who transitioned from a corporate career to thriving in real estate and the health and wellness industry. Matthew shares his inspiring journey from a struggling young adult to a successful business owner focused on helping others optimize their lives through mindset, nutrition, and muscle. Listen in as Matthew discusses the importance of gratitude, the power of asking the right questions, and the value of investing in your health and personal development.Key Takeaways:• Transitioning from Co...
2024-08-2938 min
Freedom Nation PodcastTransforming Education: How John Foster's Middle School MBA Is Teaching Kids Real-World Business SkillsTransforming Education: How John Foster's Middle School MBA Is Teaching Kids Real-World Business SkillsIn this episode of the Freedom Nation Podcast, host Jeff Kikel talks with John Foster, the founder of Middle School MBA, a unique program that provides middle school students with an executive MBA-level education. John shares how his extensive experience in business and his passion for teaching led him to create a program that equips young students with advanced business, economics, and entrepreneurship skills. Listen in as John explains how his curriculum is changing the way students think about business and education, and...
2024-08-2034 min
Freedom Nation PodcastDesigning a Fulfilling Retirement: How David Buck Helps Clients Master the Non-Financial Side of RetirementDesigning a Fulfilling Retirement: How David Buck Helps Clients Master the Non-Financial Side of RetirementIn this episode of the Freedom Nation Podcast, host Jeff Kikel talks with David Buck, an expert in helping people navigate the non-financial aspects of retirement. David specializes in guiding clients through the emotional and lifestyle changes that come with retirement, helping them design a meaningful and purposeful post-career life. Listen in as David shares his insights on how to prepare for retirement beyond the numbers, including managing time, maintaining social connections, and finding new purpose in the next chapter of life.
2024-08-1527 min
Freedom Nation PodcastTop 10 Economic Indicators Every Investor Should Follow - The Cents of ThingsBreaking Down Economic Indicators and Financial Strategies with Jeff Kickel and Ron LangIn this episode of the Cents of Things podcast, hosts Jeff Kikel and Ron Lang delve into financial planning, the state of the stock market, and the current economic climate. They share insights on upcoming presidential debates and their potential impacts on the market, discuss peculiar historical facts like Burger King's 'Whopper Wine' and quirks from 'The Wizard of Oz' film. The duo also explores the highs and lows of investing in sectors like solar energy, the nuances of managing retirement funds, and the...
2024-06-2817 min
Freedom Nation PodcastLipstick Recession and Wind Turbine Woes: Unpacking Economic Trends - The Cents of ThingsLipstick Recession and Wind Turbine Woes: Unpacking Economic Trends | Cents of ThingsIn today's episode, the Cents of Things team dives into the latest economic indicators and market analysis with Ron. The discussion starts with a lighthearted critique of the upcoming political season and presidential debates, followed by intriguing historical facts about 'The Wizard of Oz' and Burger King's Whopper wine. They then explore the high levels of the current market, factors affecting it, and potential risks. Solar energy and its industry challenges are also reviewed, capped with a look into unconventional economic indicators like the lipstick...
2024-06-2820 min
Freedom Nation PodcastThe Economy Unveiled: Soft Landings, Icebergs, and Retirement Trends - The Cents of ThingsIs the economy headed for a "Soft Landing" or an Iceberg? In this episode, we dive into the world of Florida men with some hilarious and bizarre stories. From cleaning houses to time-traveling attempts, Florida men never fail to entertain.Then, we focus on the economy, discussing whether we are heading for a soft landing or an iceberg. Jeff and Ron analyze key indicators like job openings, non-farm payrolls, inflation, and home prices to provide insights into the current economic landscape.The discussion also touches on the trend of "unretiring," where older workers are rejoining...
2024-06-1123 min
Freedom Nation PodcastNVIDIA Mania and Market Valuations: A Deep Dive - The Cents of ThingsWelcome to another episode of The Cents of Things with Ron and Jeff! In this episode, we dive into the world of finance, discussing the latest economic trends, the market mania surrounding NVIDIA, and some interesting historical facts. We cover everything from the valuation of tech giants to the divergence in economic indicators.Join us as we analyze the Chicago business barometer, ISM manufacturing data, job openings, and labor turnover statistics. We will also touch on the recent surprises in government job hiring and ADP unemployment numbers.Tune in for insightful discussions, market insights, and...
2024-06-1118 min
Freedom Nation PodcastDream Big and Ride Free: Lucie Ptasznik on Building a Seven-Figure Horse BusinessIn this empowering episode of the Freedom Nation podcast, host Jeff Kikel sits down with Lucie Ptasznik, a remarkable entrepreneur who transformed her childhood passion for horses into a thriving seven-figure business. Lucie shares her inspiring journey from craving horse ownership as a young girl to becoming a leading figure in the equestrian industry, all while overcoming the conventional confines of corporate life. Discover Lucie's insights into leveraging the laws of the universe, the pivotal role of mindset in achieving success, and her strategic move into real estate for financial stability.Key Takeaways:• Lucie's Early Pa...
2024-04-3038 min
Freedom Nation PodcastEscape the Grind: Ingo Schulmeyer's Journey from Corporate Success to Life Coaching in MexicoIn this episode of the Freedom Nation podcast, host Jeff Kikel talks with Ingo Schulmeyer about his inspiring journey from a high-level position in the semiconductor industry to finding personal and professional fulfillment through a drastic lifestyle change. Ingo shares how he and his family left their conventional lives behind to embrace new opportunities in Mexico, transitioning into a successful coaching career that helps others achieve their true potential.Key Takeaways:• Life Beyond the Paycheck: Ingo discusses the realization that his successful career and the conventional markers of success weren't fulfilling his deeper life aspirations. Th...
2024-04-2525 min
Freedom Nation PodcastUnlocking Real Estate Riches: Tax Deeds, Freedom, and Financial Success with Marcos JacoberIn this episode of Freedom Nation, host Jeff Kikel sits down with Marcos Jacober, an expert in tax deed investments and the author of "The Deed Hunter." From starting with only $100 to becoming a real estate mogul, Marcos shares his journey and reveals how tax deeds can be a path to financial freedom and real estate success.Key Takeaways:• Tax Deeds Explained: Learn what tax deeds are and how they offer a unique opportunity to invest in real estate at significantly lower costs.• Marcos Jacober’s Journey: From moving to the U.S. with j...
2024-04-1844 min
Freedom Nation PodcastRedefining Success: Barbara Spector's Journey from Artist to Sales Maven - Empowering Your Business and Personal GrowthIn this inspiring episode of the Freedom Nation podcast, host Jeff Kikel sits down with Barbara Spector, a management consultant with over two decades of experience transforming sales teams and businesses. From her beginnings as an artist to becoming a beacon of hope for businesses struggling with sales and leadership, Barbara shares her remarkable journey and the lessons learned along the way. Dive into Barbara's story of resilience, innovation, and success, and discover actionable insights to empower your own business and personal growth.Key Takeaways:• Transition from Artist to Management Consultant: Barbara’s jour...
2024-04-1131 min
Freedom Nation PodcastBeyond the Cubicle: Shara Gabaldon's Leap from Government Job to Beauty IndustryIn this inspiring episode of Freedom Nation Podcast with Jeff Kikel, we sit down with Shara Gabaldon, a former government employee who bravely left the security of her 9-to-5 job to embark on a journey into the beauty industry. Shara shares her incredible story of transformation, from her roots in business finance and mortgage to becoming a leading figure in the beauty space. Discover the challenges she faced, the successes she celebrated, and the lessons learned along the way.Key Takeaways:• The Spark of Change: Learn about the moment Shara decided to pivot from a se...
2024-03-2844 min
Freedom Nation PodcastThe Art of the Empire: How John Hewitt Turned Entrepreneurial Vision into Financial FreedomIn this inspiring episode of the Freedom Nation Podcast, host Jeff Kikel sits down with John Hewitt, the legendary entrepreneur behind Jackson Hewitt Tax Service and Liberty Tax. Hewitt shares his incredible journey of innovation, strategic growth, and the relentless pursuit of financial freedom. From developing the first tax software on an Apple computer to founding and scaling billion-dollar companies, Hewitt’s insights are a treasure trove for anyone aiming to achieve their own Freedom Day through entrepreneurship.Key Takeaways:• The Origin of an Entrepreneur: Learn how a simple tax course recommendation from H&R Bloc...
2024-03-2132 min
Freedom Nation PodcastLeveraging AI to Streamline and Optimize Digital Marketing Campaigns with TJ MurphyIn this episode of the Freedom Nation podcast, host Jeff Kikel interviews digital marketing expert TJ Murphy about how AI and automation can help unlock new levels of freedom for entrepreneurs and small business owners. This conversation provides practical tips on how implementing AI and marketing automation can eliminate tedious tasks and allow entrepreneurs to focus on high-level strategy and value-add activities.They discuss:• TJ's background and journey to starting his own digital marketing agency. How he found freedom through location independence and leveraging technology.• An overview of the services TJ's agency provides for...
2024-02-2933 min
Freedom Nation PodcastUnveiling the Global Entrepreneur's Journey: From Mastermind Facilitator to World Traveler with Zachary Parker HarrisIn this episode, Jeff Kikel sits down with Parker Harris, a professional mastermind facilitator and seasoned entrepreneur, to explore his unique journey from business guru to global traveler. Parker shares insights into his background, the evolution of his career, and the transformative experiences from a year-long adventure with his wife, covering 16 countries and over 20 cities.About Zachary Parker Harris:By the time he was 17 years old, Parker had started his first company, became a board member for multiple non-profits, and was also recruited by the President of the United States to speak at Leadership Conferences...
2024-02-2733 min
Freedom Nation PodcastFrom Corporate Exec to Franchise Freedom: How Giuseppe Grammatico Helps Others Find Their Dream BusinessReady to ditch the corporate grind and build your own empire? Join us as we chat with Giuseppe Grammatico, a former corporate executive turned franchise consultant who helps aspiring entrepreneurs find their perfect business fit. In this episode, Giuseppe shares his own journey from the boardroom to business ownership, and offers invaluable insights on:• Identifying the right franchise opportunity for you: Discover the key factors to consider, from your interests and skills to financial resources and market demand.• Transitioning from employee to entrepreneur: Learn how to overcome common challenges and navigate the emotional roll...
2024-02-1529 min
Freedom Nation PodcastAcquiring Online Businesses: A Shortcut to Financial Independence with Michael FrewWelcome to today's episode of The Freedom Nation Podcast with Jeff Kikekl and Michael Frew where they explore Michael's journey from corporate engineer to business acquirer.Michael shares his transition from a beachside retirement in the Caymans to actively acquiring and managing businesses.Listen as we take a deep dive into the transformative Freedom Day method. This six-step approach touches on key aspects like marketing, sales, customer experience, productivity, systems, and finance. We unravel the intricate link between emotional readiness and business success, dissect the changing landscape of ownership across generations, and emphasize the essential...
2024-02-0626 min
Freedom Nation PodcastBreaking Down Barriers: Live Coaching for Financial Freedom with Elisa BoogaertsElisa Boogaerts, a corporate professional with over 20 years of experience, shares her journey from stumbling into senior role in project management to a budding entrepreneur with multiple coaching certifications. The episode unveils Elisa's strategic approach to building passive income streams, including her ventures into affiliate marketing and course creation.In this unique episode, Jeff and Elisa embark on a live coaching session where they walk through Elisa's plan to achieve her Freedom Day. They discuss building a budget, determining the Minimum Required Income (MRI), and breaking down the steps to financial freedom. Elisa shares her experiences, including...
2023-12-1925 min
Freedom Nation PodcastThe Unconventional Route to Financial Freedom with Jeff RussellWhen it comes to life's unpredictable journey, none hit closer to home than Jeff Russell's inspiring odyssey towards financial freedom. Born into an army family and embodying the essence of hustle from a young age, Jeff carved out a path less traveled - from being a college pioneer in his family to becoming an accomplished DJ in the Bahamas. His eclectic experiences led him to a fulfilling career in computer science and ultimately, the entrepreneurial world. His tale showcases the courage to defy norms, adapt to changes, and seize opportunities, even in the face of unexpected layoffs....
2023-11-0238 min
Freedom Nation PodcastFrom Startup to Success: Business Building Strategies with Chris DaleIn this episode, our guest Chris Dale, an entrepreneur from London UK, shares his incredible journey from an uninspiring corporate job to successfully launching his own business. Chris takes us through his early years, navigating the world of academia, and the unexpected path that led him to a career in sales.After more than a decade in the sales industry, Chris's desire for freedom and control over his destiny drove him to venture into entrepreneurship. He shares the challenges he faced during the process, including an unexpected setback when his business partner suddenly backed out. With only...
2023-10-3128 min
Freedom Nation PodcastThree Stages of Real Estate InvestingHave you always dreamed of investing in real estate? Do you want to make it part of your investment portfolio to help you reach your Freedom Day? In this episode, our host Jeff Kikel guides listeners through the various ways they can get started in real estate, no matter their current financial standing. Whether you're starting with minimal funds, a little bit saved, or a sizeable investment pool, Jeff breaks down strategies and approaches that can help anyone break into the real estate market.Links and Resources Mentioned:> BiggeBiggerPockets> Groundfloor> Fundrise
2023-07-2535 min
Freedom Nation PodcastFrom Teen Entrepreneur to Real Estate Investing Maven with Jazmin SalinasToday, Jeff is joined by Jazmin Salinas, an inspiring entrepreneur who started her own company at the age of 15 and has never looked back. They dive into the world of real estate and cash flow, discussing Jazmin's journey and experiences.Jeff and Jazmin discuss the benefits of multifamily real estate and how it can be a game-changer for investors. Jazmin explains how she transitioned from exploring different real estate strategies to focusing on multifamily properties. She emphasizes the importance of understanding one's own risk tolerance, financial goals, and timeline when choosing a real estate investment strategy.
2023-07-0624 min
Freedom Nation PodcastBuilding Your Retirement Plan: Estimating Your Retirement ExpensesContinuing with the building your retirement series, Jeff discusses the six steps that you need to complete in order to determine your retirement expenses. When thinking of retirement there are some expenses that you may not have thought about and Jeff wants to make sure they are part of your plan. About Jeff: Jeff spent the early part of his career working for others. Jeff had started 5 businesses that failed before he had his first success. Since that time he has learned the principles of a successful business and has been able to build and g...
2023-05-2307 min
Freedom Nation PodcastBuilding Your Retirement Plan: Assessing Your Current Financial SituationBuilding a retirement plan requires assessing your financial health, calculating net worth, evaluating savings and investments, and identifying gaps. In this episode, Jeff is going to lead you through the 4 steps of calculating where you are currently at and where you want to be. About Jeff: Jeff spent the early part of his career working for others. Jeff had started 5 businesses that failed before he had his first success. Since that time he has learned the principles of a successful business and has been able to build and grow multiple seven-figure businesses. Jeff lives in t...
2023-05-1804 min
Freedom Nation PodcastHow a Digital Nomad Built a Successful Career with Dayana AleksandrovaJoin Jeff as he explores the journey of a digital nomad who went from traveling the world in search of new beginnings to building two six-figure online businesses.Dayana Aleksandrova discusses how she found her passion for writing, successfully applied for remote work through Upwork and Pro Blogger, and developed her copywriting and marketing skills to build a six-figure business. She also shares tips on how to start a side hustle, build financial freedom, and find a bridge job. Along the way, Dayana also talks about how she found love during the pandemic, her travels around the...
2023-05-1628 min
Freedom Nation PodcastThe Journey from Child Star to Public Speaking : A Story of Passion, Resilience, and Reinvention with Sean Tyler FoleyIn today’s episode, Jeff interviews Tyler Foley. Tyler started performing on stage at 6 years old and fell in love with the stage from that moment on. He then went on to appear on TV, in movies, and on stage. Tyler decided to retire from acting in his twenties and went back to college to prepare for the next chapters of his life. His journey from there led him starting a business, to keynotes, to currently making money in his sleep. Tyler and Jeff discuss: Tyler shares his story: Child actor at 6 years old, retired at 25. Went b...
2023-04-2747 min
Freedom Nation PodcastReal Estate isn't Rocket Science with Chad ZdenekIn today’s episode, Jeff interviews Chad Zdenek in Los Angeles, California. Chad started as a civil engineer working on a spaceship and took a risk on helping his brother in the lighting business. After scaling the lighting business, Chad started Real Estate full-time and is on track to obtaining his freedom day. Chad and Jeff discuss:Chad tells his story: went to college for civil engineering.Out of college he got a full-time gig working on a space shuttle.Seven years later he took a 50% pay cut and worked with his brother. Eighteen years later he so...
2023-04-0428 min
Freedom Nation PodcastFinancial planning for your business with Michael RingelIn today’s episode, Jeff interviews Michael Ringel who is a CPA by trade but currently assists business owners with their exit plan to get to their freedom day. Michael and Jeff discuss:Michael shares his story; entrepreneurial as a child. Tried many entrepreneurial ventures along the way and then decided to be a CPA.Seeing no future as a CPA, went back to school and got his Masters. Started a business with several partners that lasted 8 Years.Became a financial advisor to coach entrepreneurs. For the last 20 years, he’s been helping business owners get their fre...
2023-03-3135 min
Freedom Nation PodcastLiving with intentions with Ken StearnsIn today’s episode, Jeff interviews Ken Stearns in Atlanta, GA who shares his work in the corporate world as an international insurance agent, and his experience with corporate work culture in Asia. He encourages people to carve out space for themselves in order to find freedom for themselves.
Ken and Jeff discuss:
Traditional / Non-Traditional corporate story; after graduating ended up in California.
Answered an ad to go to Asia, received a 2 year contract and came back 20 years later.
In Asia, Ken had some great corporate jobs, had a grea...
2023-03-2845 min
Freedom Nation PodcastBuilding an agent centered brokerage with Josh MillerIn today’s episode, Jeff interviews Josh Miller out of Houston, TX who is the head of a Real Estate Brokerage company. Josh started his journey as a Chief Marketing Officer doing Real Estate on the side and then decided after some time to dive feet first into Real Estate full-time. After experiencing a not so pleasant brokerage as an agent, Josh decided to start one of his own with the agent at the center.
Josh and Jeff discuss:
Josh shares the correct way to say Epique.
Was a Chief Marketing Officer whe...
2023-03-2358 min
Freedom Nation PodcastMastering your mindset with JM RyersonIn today’s episode, Jeff interviews JM Ryerson who is the host of the “Let’s go win” podcast. JM is a master at mindset. He has worked with many individuals but has a passion for helping teams work together to achieve their best outcome. Over the last 20 years JM has helped people develop a mindset around being happy, healthy and wealthy.
JM and Jeff discuss:
Played basketball in college and blew out his knee.
Studied abroad in the Netherlands and started reading a lot.
After graduating college, he worked for Enterprise rent-a-car.
Not liking the limitati...
2023-03-1628 min
Freedom Nation PodcastThe flavors and food groups of Real Estate with Beau EcksteinIn today’s episode, Jeff interviews Beau Eckstein, a professional in the Real Estate world. Through many ups and downs in life Beau found the resilience to keep going. He learned a lot from his experiences and found that there are many flavors and food groups of Real Estate. Beau discusses some of these flavors and food groups that can help you to get to your Freedom Day.
Beau and Jeff discuss:
Beau wasn’t a good student growing up and was never interested in school.
Went to Junior College but had Real Estate in the back...
2023-03-1454 min
Freedom Nation PodcastHelping Podcast Host and Guest win with Jason CerconeIn today’s episode, Jeff interviews Jason Cercone who has built a life around podcasting. Jason helps people build their brand by assisting them with developing their story and going on podcasts that are a right fit for their goals and expertise. Doing this the right way can lead to great relationships and open doors to great opportunities.
Jason and Jeff discuss:
Jason’s entrepreneurial journey started at age 13 flipping trading cards.
In 2015, he started podcasting after a troll commented on twitter.
Once the first show was shut down, Jason started another show and eventually shut it d...
2023-03-0737 min
Freedom Nation PodcastFrom the Jerry Springer show to success in podcasting with Reena Friedman WattsIn today’s episode, Jeff interviews Reena Friedman Watts of the Better Call Daddy podcast. After a thought provoking question from a guest on the Jerry Springer show, she decided to leave the show. Leaving led her on a journey to co-hosting a podcast and found that she loved it. Three years ago she started her own podcast that’s very successful.Reena and Jeff discuss:Started at a radio station in college and loved it.Drove from Purdue to Chicago and saw that Jerry Springer was looking for interns.Renna got the job...
2023-03-0246 min
Freedom Nation PodcastPlanning & Design for your Business with Rob BroadheadIn today’s episode, Jeff interviews Rob Broadhead, of RB Consulting, Inc. Rob started his consulting business in 2001 the day before September 11th. After overcoming many ups and downs Rob was able to get his consulting company stable and thriving.
Rob and Jeff discuss:
Worked for a startup 20 years ago that was fun until one Friday the CEO came around and didn’t have checks to pay them.
Called around to past people he worked with and found one he was a great fit for.
Started Consulting Company September 10, 2001 and the next day Sept 11th happened.
Over...
2023-02-2832 min
Freedom Nation PodcastKick Start your Year with Jeff KikelIn today’s episode, Jeff Kikel, the host of the Freedom Nation Podcast, welcomes you to season 3 and shares some changes to the show. He also shares a recap of seasons 1 and 2 and how they impacted his life. Jeff further explains what Freedom Day is and gives you actionable steps to get there!
Jeff discusses:
What to expect for season 3 of the show.
Recap of season 1 and season 2.
Creating a spending plan.
Eliminating debt and positive cash flow.
Using your tax return income to pay down debt.
Creating a bucket list.
Using Freedom Engines to earn ex...
2023-02-2137 min
Freedom Nation PodcastFueled by Coffee with Chris DeferioIn today’s episode, Jeff interviews Chris Deferio of the Keys to the Shop Podcast. Twenty three years ago Chris was in ministry school and turned to coffee to help fuel his studies. Over time Chris discovered that he could taste the different origin of the coffee. Chris really liked the coffee bar experience and decided to go into coffee as a career and the rest is history!
Chris and Jeff discuss:
Chris started over two decades ago using coffee to help him fuel his studies in ministry school.
Fueled with caffeine, Chris discovered he could ta...
2023-02-1528 min
Freedom Nation PodcastFrom Banker to Multimillion dollar companies with Matt ShoupIn today’s episode, Jeff interviews Matt Shoup, founder of M&E Painting. As a little boy, his parents taught him to work for what he wanted. He took that knowledge into college where he started a painting business and then went into the corporate world as a banker. But one day the worst day of his life turned into the best day of his life. Using anger and later on his wife and son as his fuel to succeed, Matt went on to build multiple millions in his businesses.
Matt and Jeff discuss:
Matt shares hi...
2023-01-2623 min
Freedom Nation PodcastFrom Mechanical Engineer to Handyman Business with Chris LalomiaIn today’s episode, Jeff interviews Chris Lalomia from Atlanta,GA. Chris had it all in the corporate world until one day he realized how unhappy he was. He started his handyman business during the 2008 recession. Through many highs and lows he persevered and now he has a successful business, a Podcast and a book. He is also on track to his Freedom Day!
Chris and Jeff discuss:
Chris shares his story.
He ran a commercial loan operations department and was living a good life but was unhappy.
Chris came up with a plan and started his...
2023-01-2423 min
Freedom Nation PodcastFrom Biochemist to Business Coach with Debra Chantry-TaylorIn today’s episode, Jeff interviews Debra Chantry - Taylor from New Zealand. Debra started as a biochemist and food technologist because her parents thought it would help her to find a husband. Debra learned that she really liked people and after being frustrated with her corporate job she quit and started her own business. After many setbacks and going back to the corporate world for a few years, she has learned from her mistakes and is now doing what she loves.
Debra and Jeff discuss:
Debra is a Biochemist and food technologist by trade and a...
2022-11-2526 min
Freedom Nation PodcastFrom Robbery to 7 Figure Ecommerce Business with Leslie KusterIn today’s episode, Jeff interviews Leslie Kuster of Back to Bali. Leslie got robbed back in the earlier 90’s and used her insurance check to go to Bali, Indonesia for 7 months. After coming back home to New York, at the time, she didn’t see anything in the New York Times that interested her for jobs and she didn't want to go back to PR. So she calculated the cost and returned to Bali to get something she could sell in the United States. With the help of her mom she set up a table and sold out in one...
2022-10-2138 min
Freedom Nation PodcastFrom Student Loans to Life Insurance with Mark WillisIn today’s episode, Jeff interviews Mark Willis, a financial advisor who had a lot of student loan debt after attending college. Mark had no plans on how to pay off the debt and no job. Mark started on the Dave Ramsey debt snowball method and then learned about whole life insurance. Structured correctly a whole life insurance policy has a lot of benefits. Join Jeff and Mark as they talk about Mark’s journey and a strategy to bank on yourself.
Mark and Jeff discuss:
After high school; getting ready for college and his mom help...
2022-10-0436 min
Freedom Nation PodcastOvercoming a Recession to Working with Integrity with Mike GellerIn today’s episode, Jeff interviews Mike Geller, the Chief Technology Officer (CTO), of Tegrita in Markham, ON. Mike started his technology career during the 2008 recession. The company he was with fired half of their team during the recession and he was one of them. Determined to continue in technology automation, Mike started his own consulting business and with the help of his community he received clients from referrals. Mike is currently celebrating the 1 year anniversary of his book and consulting businesses on the right tools to use to assist them with their growth goals.
Mike and Jef...
2022-09-1320 min
Freedom Nation PodcastFrom 30K in debt to Daily Podcast host with Diania MerriamIn today’s episode, Jeff interviews Diania, producer of the EconoME Conference in Cincinnati. Diania is living the FIRE lifestyle and has gone from $30,000 in debt to front loading her retirement account. She is currently hosting (2) daily podcasts that covers all of her expenses and is producing a conference and YouTube series.
Diania and Jeff discuss:
Discovered at 28, that she had $30,000 in debt from living outside her means.
Had a goal to do the Camino de Santiago walk at age 30 and so she decided to get her finances in order.
She found a blog called Mr. Mone...
2022-09-0729 min
Freedom Nation PodcastFrom Project Manager to Franchise Consultant with David WeaverIn today’s episode, Jeff interviews David Weaver who is a Franchise Consultant in Colorado. One of the freedom engines Jeff has shared in the past was becoming a franchise owner of a business. Today David talks to us about his start during college and how he got into the franchise business. There is more to it than just picking your favorite business but rather looking at your franchise selection from an investor's point of view rather than as a consumer.
David and Jeff discuss:
Grew up in Indiana went to Indiana University: In college David star...
2022-09-0236 min
Freedom Nation PodcastEngineer Finds Financial Independence Early with Cody YehIn today’s episode, Jeff interviews Cody Yeh in Toronto, Canada. One of the freedom engines that Jeff shares with his audience is Real Estate. Cody is in the real estate business and will talk to us about real estate and strategies. Cody starts by sharing his story of coming to Canada on a student Visa. He majored in Engineering but learned that while engineers had a great start they have limitations, so he enrolled in some business courses. After graduation Cody worked for Honda and later he took on learning stocks as a second job. Years later Cody go...
2022-08-3044 minFreedom Nation PodcastEngineer Finds Financial Independence Early with Cody YehIn today’s episode, Jeff interviews Cody Yeh in Toronto, Canada. One of the freedom engines that Jeff shares with his audience is Real Estate. Cody is in the real estate business and will talk to us about real estate and strategies. Cody starts by sharing his story of coming to Canada on a student Visa. He majored in Engineering but learned that while engineers had a great start they have limitations, so he enrolled in some business courses. After graduation Cody worked for Honda and later he took on learning stocks as a second job. Years later Cody go...
2022-08-3044 min
Freedom Nation PodcastFrom Tech Company to Financial Freedom with Michael QuanIn today’s episode, Jeff interviews Michael Quan, blogger of the Financial Alert website in San Diego. Michael shares how he started working for a technology company during the dotcom boom. And how it was his knowledge as a computer gamer that got him the job. While working in the technology industry he learned a lot about infrastructure. After 9-11 he started his own IT Consulting business with some friends using what he had learned. Ten years of hard work led to his business being very successful and eventually giving him his freedom day.
Michael and Jeff di...
2022-08-2521 min
Freedom Nation PodcastFrom Franchise to Networking with Matt AldertonIn today’s episode, Jeff interviews Matt Alderton of BX Networking group in Sydney Australia. Matt started his entrepreneurial journey as a Subway Franchise owner and after an unforeseen tragic event, saw an ad for a John Maxwell program. Matt went through the program and it inspired him to create BX Networking. Matt’s journey wasn’t always favorable but he didn’t let that stop him. He continued to push past the hurdles and after 18 years of hard work is now expanding from Australia to the U.S. and Canada.
Matt and Jeff discuss:
Been in busin...
2022-08-2341 min
Freedom Nation PodcastGetting your Business Needs Met with Biz Coach Steve FeldIn today’s episode, Jeff interviews Steve Feld known as Biz Coach Steve. Steve coaches small businesses with their growth goals. He’s helped his clients make $10,000+ more than before. Steve has a very interesting story that includes being bought out by Warner Brothers. Steve has a passion for giving back and volunteers with a government program for free. From ELearning, to group coaching, to an elite invitation-only mastermind Steve is sure to get you to your business goals and beyond!
Steve and Jeff discuss:
Owned and operated 7 businesses and sold them. He also ran 3 other busi...
2022-08-0431 min
Freedom Nation PodcastThe Move that Changed Things Forever for Melissa RodriguezIn today’s episode, Jeff interviews Melissa Rodriguez in L.A., who owns a 7-figure marketing agency. Melissa had her roots in Boston, but after she moved from Disney to L.A., she realized there was more to explore than she was currently experiencing. This sparked an idea for a blog about self-discovery, and the rest is history. Please tune in to hear all the details about Melissa’s amazing story as she goes from working a corporate job to gaining her freedom day. There is also an opportunity to get a deep discount on Melissa’s exceptional experience for ne...
2022-07-2127 min
Freedom Nation PodcastFrom Sales to Non Traditional Financial Planning with Daniel BlueIn today’s episode, Jeff interviews Daniel Blue of Las Vegas who runs a Financial Services Company that helps their clients decide which financial tool(s) will best fit their goals. From Real Estate to starting a business to high credit card rates there is a solution that will work for you with the least amount of risk and penalties. Daniel also gave us some tools we can use to diversify our portfolios in this uncertain time.
Daniel and Jeff discuss:
At 12, his parents divorced, and his dad moved to Mexico and never came back. That le...
2022-07-1335 min
Freedom Nation PodcastFrom College to Four International Offices with Thomas SmaleJeff interviews Thomas Smale of FE International, a M&A firm (M&A stands for Mergers and Acquisitions). Thomas took a college side hustle and turned it into an international business.
Thomas and Jeff discuss:
Graduated college in 2010. Tried multiple different strategies. Learned how to buy websites in 2008. When he graduated in 2010 he wrote a book about how to buy websites.
He was able to make about $5000 per month selling his books.
People who read his book reached out to him for help selling their businesses.
Today he owns an M&A firm that helps tech...
2022-07-1228 min
Freedom Nation PodcastFrom Athlete to CEO with Mark BlockersJeff interviews Mark Blocker in Michigan who is the CEO of Big Block Athletics, the Founder of the Mark Blocker Foundation, a Success Coach and an Investor. He’s a role model to the youth in Detroit and a successful businessman.
Mark and Jeff discuss:
Athlete his whole life; played different sports growing up.
Obtained his degree in 2014 from University of Phoenix in the medical field and couldn't get a job.
In Oct 2015 he quit working at McDonalds and started his business full-time.
Fun fact his business isn’t named after him but an Engine company.
Advo...
2022-07-0823 min
Freedom Nation PodcastFrom Cubicle Warrior to Successful Businesses with Donnie BoivinIn today’s episode, Jeff begins a series of shows exploring people who have created businesses based on their skills. In this show, Jeff interviews Donnie Boivin of Success Champion Network.
Donnie and Jeff discuss:
Served 4 years in the Marine Corp and 20 years straight in Commission Sales.
Became one of the top Sales Trainers in the country.
Learned about entrepreneurship at age 40; no one in his family had done it before.
One comment over dinner changed his life; (15) Days later he started his own company.
Started off as a success coach and faced losing it all af...
2022-07-0430 min
Freedom Nation PodcastThe Corporate Transition Coach with Kathy GrassettIn today’s episode, Jeff begins a series of shows exploring people who have created businesses based on their skills. In this show, Jeff interviews Kathy Grassett.
Kathy and Jeff discuss:
She was a Gen X’er who grew up with a one-parent income. She knew she wanted to be in business.
In college she decided on a Management Information Systems as a major.
Spent 38 years working for two different companies during that time period.
Was tired of the corporate culture and decided that she wanted to leave corporate completely.
She did not start it as a si...
2022-06-0637 min
Freedom Nation PodcastCorporate Engineer to Helping you Grow a Handyman Business with Dan PerryIn today’s episode, Jeff begins a series of shows exploring people who have created businesses based on their skills. In this show, Jeff interviews Dan Perry.
Dan and Jeff discuss:
Has a company that teaches people to start a Handyman company.
He started out as an engineer. He went to college for that.
He got the job that he thought was a dream job and found out that an office career was not for him.
Every day he woke up and wondered how many days it was going to be before Friday.
He stumbled on th...
2022-05-3026 min
Freedom Nation PodcastWhen to Make the Jump with Rocky LalvaniIn today’s episode, Jeff begins a series of shows exploring people who have created businesses based on their skills. In this show, Jeff interviews Rocky Lalvani of Profit Comes First.
Rocky and Jeff discuss:
Rocky came here at age 2. His family restarted here and went on to succeed.
He made a decision to be a Millionaire at an early age.
After college, he taught accountants to use the first spreadsheets.
He determined he was going to get a job and begin to save automatically.
Saving money in the end did not make him happy.
He sp...
2022-05-1830 min
Freedom Nation PodcastNeel Parekh from Maid This FranchiseIn today’s episode, Jeff begins a series of shows exploring people who have created businesses based on their skills. In this show, Jeff interviews Neel from Maid This Franchise.
Neel and Jeff discuss:
Started his career in tech private equity. He lived in a cubicle and was looking for side hustles. He wanted to be able to travel and be a digital nomad.
He tried multiple opportunities and finally came across a maid service. He was able to build it remotely.
He was able to build the business to where he could travel. He traveled to...
2022-05-1122 min
Freedom Nation PodcastA Corporate Downsizing Leads to Java Success with Brad BarberIn today’s episode, Jeff begins a series of shows exploring people who have created businesses based on their skills. In this show, Jeff interviews Brad Barber of Cabin Coffee Company, a multi-state coffee franchise based in Clear Lake, IA.
Brad and Jeff discuss:
Several seeds in his life led him to want to own his own business.
After his wife died he and his son moved to IA.
Later he met his second wife and decided to create a Cabin Coffee Company.
After he was laid off from a hotel company, he got a job as...
2022-05-0942 min
Freedom Nation PodcastFrom the Corporate World to the World you want with Alex BrueckmannIn today’s episode, Jeff begins a series of shows exploring people who have created businesses based on their skills. In this show, Jeff interviews Alex Brueckmann in Canada.
Alex and Jeff discuss:
Alex grew up in a rural area in Germany.
His first career as a radio journalist was dear to his heart.
Music was his love; radio and being a semi-professional DJ were the vehicles to get him closer to it.
The media industry went under heavy pressure in the early 2000's and he found himself unemployed.
He went to school and studied business/ec...
2022-05-0721 min
Freedom Nation PodcastFrom Introvert to Author with Steve FriedmanIn today’s episode, Jeff begins a series of shows exploring people who have created businesses based on their skills. In this show, Jeff interviews Steve Friedman of Beyond Introversion from Austin TX.
Steve and Jeff discuss:
First 30 years of his career were spent working in the corporate world.
As an introvert he found it difficult and challenging to work around extroverts.
He always had to put on a façade of extroversion to be successful.
After leaving corporate he left and went back to something he had always wanted to do…writing.
Wrote two books on in...
2022-05-0537 min
Freedom Nation PodcastFrom insuring Your Life to insuring your Business Success with Rob HergetIn today’s episode, Jeff begins a series of shows exploring people who have created businesses based on their skills. In this show, Jeff interviews Rob Herget of Boost Ur Business from Miami, FL.
Rob and Jeff discuss:
Rob has (15) businesses and calls himself a “serial entrepreneur.”
He started his career in his father’s insurance business when he was a sophomore in college and they became partners after college graduation.
After many enjoyable years in insurance, things started to change in healthcare and Rob felt it was time to go a different route.
Rob had a passio...
2022-05-0346 min
Freedom Nation PodcastFrom a Network Marketing Blowup to Marketing Success with Brett WilliamsIn today’s episode, Jeff begins a series of shows exploring people who have created businesses based on their skills. In this show, Jeff interviews Brett Williams from Australia.
Brett and Jeff discuss:
Going from being a Draftsman for a mining company to 2012 when the market imploded and he lost his job.
He was forced to make a decision that there was no such thing as job security which led him down the path of Network Marketing and Affiliate Marketing.
He had a bad experience with Network Marketing but believed in the concept.
All this led to h...
2022-04-1926 min
Freedom Nation PodcastFrom the Top of the Corporate World to the Bottom of His Heart with Vince WarnockIn today’s episode, Jeff begins a series of shows exploring people who have created businesses based on their skills. In this show, Jeff interviews Vince Warnock.
Vince and Jeff discuss:
Vince trained as an engineer and has a passion for technology and people.
He was on the radio which was his dream job.
As Vince was working, a dream job on paper, at an Insurance company he was able to take the company's YouTube channel from nothing to doubling their revenue in 5 years which didn’t go unnoticed.
Despite Vince’s success he felt unfilled and di...
2022-04-1754 min
Freedom Nation PodcastFrom Corporate Restauranteur to Cooking Like Your Grandmother with Marcus Davis of The Breakfast KlubIn today’s episode, Jeff begins a series of shows exploring people who have created businesses based on their skills. In this show, Jeff interviews Marcus Davis of the Breakfast Klub in Houston, TX.
Marcus and Jeff discuss:
Have to warn you that this is a longer interview than normal. We had so much fun we couldn’t stop.
How Marcus’ family was always the house that people came to on Sundays after church for Food and Music.
Marcus began in the restaurant business at 14 and worked his way up into restaurant management.
After years of managing...
2022-04-1356 min
Freedom Nation PodcastStarting Out As a Captive and Finding True Freedom to Trading Success with Judy VeeIn today’s episode, Jeff begins a series of shows exploring people who have created businesses based on their skills. In this show, Jeff interviews Judy Vee.
Judy and Jeff discuss:
Judy grew up in Ireland as a captive until she was 21, Judy escaped and got a job as a London Oil and Gas Trader.
After several jobs, Judy finally founded her first business, a Teddy Bear company.
She went on to found several other companies and has lived in London, South Africa, and during Covid her and her husband Tiny moved to Barbados.
Today her and...
2022-04-0133 min
Freedom Nation PodcastBecoming a Mama Made CEO with Courtney WolfIn today’s episode, Jeff begins a series of shows exploring people who have created businesses based on their skills. In this show, Jeff interviews Courtney Wolf.
Courtney and Jeff discuss:
How she worked in the corporate world for 8 months and found that it was not for her.
After having her first baby she decided that she wanted to be at home with her baby, so she became a Virtual Assistant. Eventually, she moved up to the top of the company.
After suffering from burnout, she left her company and founded her own consulting firm.
While it...
2022-03-3022 min
Freedom Nation PodcastCreating a Unique Niche with the CPA Lifeguard Jimmie BrownIn today’s episode, Jeff begins a series of shows exploring people who have created businesses based on their skills. In this show, Jeff interviews Carlos Franco.
Carlos and Jeff discuss:
How Jimmie found what he loved through a program in high school.
After College Jimmie went to work as a programmer for a small company eventually changing his role to Network Support.
In 2008 after he was downsized out of his job and decided to become an IT Consultant founding his own company.
While he was successful as an IT service provider he decided in 2019 to spe...
2022-03-2329 min
Freedom Nation PodcastBeing The Community Guy - Carlos Franco (Brother From Another Mother)In today’s episode, Jeff begins a series of shows exploring people who have created businesses based on their skills. In this show, Jeff interviews Carlos Franco.
Carlos and Jeff discuss:
His family emigrated from Mexico before he was born. Carlos was born in L.A. and feels that he was raised by a “Village” that is why he feels he is a “Community Guy” today.
Thinking he would be an engineer, he decided that was not the career for him before he graduated.
He went to work in the Advertising and Marketing industry. He had the “Dream...
2022-03-2131 min
Freedom Nation PodcastCreating a Spending Plan with Sherri DumbrellIn today’s episode, Jeff begins a series of shows exploring people who have created businesses based on their skills. In this show, Jeff interviews Sherri Dumbrell.
Sherri and Jeff discuss:
Originally from Utah, Sherri found her way to England where she met her husband, an Aussie. They moved to Australia, where they raised their family for the last 30 years.
As a young stay-at-home mom, Sherri tried to find ways to stretch their budget. About 20 years ago she found the Spending Plan system.
Through the use of the Spending Plan system, her and her husband were abl...
2022-03-0433 min
Freedom Nation PodcastThe Power of Email List with Jeff KikelIn today’s episode, Jeff begins a series of shows exploring people who have created businesses based on their skills. In this show, Jeff shares his thoughts on building and using an email list:
How an email list saved his business in 2020.
Why every business needs to build an email list.
What you should expect out of your email list.
The steps to building an email list.
Jeff spent the early part of his career working for others. Jeff had started 5 businesses that failed before he had his first success. Since that time he has learned th...
2022-03-0227 min
Freedom Nation PodcastOnline Selling with Andrey KozlovIn today’s episode, Jeff begins a series of shows exploring people who have created businesses based on their skills. In this show, Jeff interviews Andrey Kozlov.
Andrey and Jeff discuss:
How Andrey started his career in Digital Marketing right out of college. Having to support a new family, he was not making enough money.
Andrey decided to begin selling things on Facebook Marketplace which led him to look for opportunities in the Drop Shipping Industry.
After some experimentation, Andrey was able to replace his job income with his own Freedom Engine and has never had to...
2022-02-2824 min