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Butterflies and BraveryLet's Not Talk PoliticsSend us a textIt's been a busy couple months and a rough couple weeks, to say the least. Join Whisper and Jemima as we catch you up on where we've been and what we've been up to. We also talk about the election results from the perspective of born-in cult survivors, what that means, and dealing with the triggers that come with it. Later we read some fantastic tips for dealing with triggers from Beth Matenaer, a therapist and cult Survivor. www.bethmatenaer.comSupport the showSupport T...
2024-11-1759 minButterflies and BraveryAnd We're Off On Another AdventureSend us a textWhisper and Jemima are on their way to present at ICSA 2024. Our panel consisting of a psychologist from Australia and your Butterflies and Bravery crew is speaking at the International Cultic Studies Association yearly conference. Listen as we share a little sneak peek of our presentation.Support the showSupport The Show: https://paypal.me/bnbdonations?country.x=US&locale.x=en_USVisit our WebsiteFollow us:InstagramFacebookTwitter
2024-06-3041 minButterflies and BraveryIt Was All About Submission (And Not the Fun Kind)Send us a textIt was all about control. What was sexually perverted according to the Children of God cult? Whisper reads some passages from Lauren Hough's New York Times Bestseller, Leaving Isn't the Hardest Thing. Some very candid conversations about sex, bonded choice, and why maybe some of us are just now figuring out our sexuality ensue. Visit our Threadless shop and pick up some swag. All proceeds go to help fund our trip to Spain to speak at the International Cultic Studies Association yearly conference. Thank you for your continued support, we appreciate e...
2024-04-0254 min
Butterflies and BraveryIt's A No Hug DaySend us a textMeet Em Thomas. Dog trainer, cult survivor and conversationalist extraordinaire. Listen as Em talks with Jemima and Whisper about some difficult but relatable topics. We discuss bodily autonomy, how cults used sex to control and so much more. Plus we announce the opening of our Threadless shop and exciting news for this summer.Support the showSupport The Show: https://paypal.me/bnbdonations?country.x=US&locale.x=en_USVisit our WebsiteFollow us:InstagramFacebookTwitter
2024-03-061h 31
Butterflies and BraveryBurapa Swallows and Ladder PullersSend us a textThe Burapa swallow is one of the few birds in the world that builds its nest out of its own saliva. A self designed refuge. As survivors, we are that refuge for each other. Join us as we catch up with each other, Whisper explains what a ladder puller is and we talk about imposter syndrome.Support the showSupport The Show: https://paypal.me/bnbdonations?country.x=US&locale.x=en_USVisit our WebsiteFollow us:InstagramFacebookTwitter
2023-11-0444 min
Butterflies and BraveryMeet Faith Jones: Activist, Attorney and AuthorSend us a textIn spite of being the granddaughter of the infamous cult leader, David Berg, Faith Jones managed to escape the clutches of the sex cult she was born into and found healing and success as a lawyer, activist, entrepreneur, and business advisor. In this episode, Jemima and Whisper speak with Faith Jones, author of the acclaimed memoir, “Sex Cult Nun.” Like the hosts, Faith was born and raised in the Children of God cult, founded by her own grandfather. Against all odds, Faith fought her way out, found healing, success, and a full...
2023-09-0955 minButterflies and BraveryICAM and Deep Insights with TabbySend us a textTabitha Chapman is not only a survivor of NXIVM and the founder of International Cult Awareness Month, she is a therapist, founder of Freedom Train Project and much more. Raised in Assemblies of God, Tabitha lived in socially acceptable abusive environments as a child. Last year she founded International Cult Awareness Month in August, amidst a great personal loss. Deep insights into childhood trauma and victim mentality, how children create predictability, enmeshment, what is reslience, why do we fe and so much more. Tabitha explains some incredibly interesting topics and answers questions like, wh...
2023-08-191h 06
Butterflies and BraveryWhen the World Didn't End with Guinevere TurnerSend us a textIf you’ve seen the epic films American Psycho, Chasing Amy or Dogma, you’ll probably recognize our amazing guest, Guinevere Turner. Guinevere has written, starred in, and/or directed 34 films to date! Now Guinevere has written a book, When the World Didn't End. In her book, she details some of her experiences growing up in the Lyman family cult. Join us for a great discussion on Guinevere’s life, her book, finding life after escape, and various other culty topics.The audio isn't stellar as our usual recording program wasn't operable, b...
2023-07-291h 31
Butterflies and BraveryWe went to ISCA! And Lou-something-ville.Send us a textIn this episode, Whisper and Jemima recap their tripto Louisville, Kentucky to attend theICSA (International Cultic Studies Association) Conference. Thanks to the generosity of ourlisteners, not only did they learn awhole heckin’ lot, but theymade `amazing connections, plans for advocacywork with incredible people, they also had a tonof fun, went on aboat, went underthe troll bridge,and much more!Oh, and they sort of learned how to pronounce Louisville. (Trust, it's a thing.)Support the showSupport The Show: https://paypal.me/bnbdonations?country.x=US...
2023-07-1048 min
Butterflies and BraveryGlimmers and Heart SmilesSend us a textThe human brain seeks and recognizes patterns in our every day lives. Part of our survival instincts drive our brains to automatically see the negative patterns. Learning to recognize the beauty in every day life is starting to be recognized as a way to stimulate the polyvagal system, and it helps our brains to begin seeking the positive on a regular basis. Whisper and Jemima talk about polyvagal theory and the benefits of looking for the glimmers, the things that make your heart smile. Plus a few side stories and customary silliness.
2023-05-2755 min
Butterflies and BraverySilenced in EdenSend us a textJo Lloyd Johnson's daughter changed everything, the moment their eyes met, Jo knew that she would be responsible for introducing the world to her child. What will she do if her world is not the world she wants for her child? “I spent most of my life trying to earn worth. But when I became a mother, I could not look at my child as I looked at myself. She was perfect. She was worthy. Slowly, she changed my black and white world into a world of vibrant colors. Silenced in Eden...
2023-05-1344 min
Butterflies and BraveryThe Body Hides the ScoreSend us a textHealth issues are becoming more common as the born-into-a-cult groups get older, and many of us struggle to know how to approach self care after being raised like robot soldiers with zero regard for our selves. In this episode Whisper and Jemima talk about the importance of listening to our bodies and asking for help before it's too late, and how hiding the trauma in our brains could cause the same effect in our bodies. Support the showSupport The Show: https://paypal.me/bnbdonations?country.x=US...
2023-04-3044 min
Butterflies and BraveryStraight Outta Knee SurgerySend us a textWe're checking in with the newest member of the bionic knee club and just three days out of knee replacement surgery Jemima brings us hospital stories, inspiration, laughs and a little "slam" poetry. This episode is sure to make you smile. Which is good, because our last episode probably didn't.Support the showSupport The Show: https://paypal.me/bnbdonations?country.x=US&locale.x=en_USVisit our WebsiteFollow us:InstagramFacebookTwitter
2023-04-0444 min
Butterflies and BraveryFlirty Little Teens??Send us a textTRIGGER WARNING FOR THIS EPISODE: SA, CA, and victim blamingWe're bringing the "Cult Cringe" again..... In this episode Whisper and Jemima read another publication that was required reading for all Children of God cult members, titled "Flirty Little Teens Beware". This publication was directed at us, the children, and places the blame on us preteens and teenagers for those poor Christian men falling into the trap of lusting after a child. We do our best to process and file away the bullshit that we grew up with, continuing our quest...
2023-03-291h 14
Butterflies and BraveryThe Beginning of the BeginningSend us a textIn this episode, we hear Sara Durham's story, from being born into a cult and raised under the crushing weight of extreme beliefs, through the cult imploding, beginning her healing journey and the work of “undoing”, to the beautiful place she is today. With encouragement, wit, and profound insights, Sara will cheer you on to believe in your own awesomeness too! "I'm at a place where I look in the mirror and…I love who stares back at me in the mirror and I don't feel like I'm broken anymore. " --Sara Durham
2023-03-191h 02
Butterflies and BraveryVictory Garden Sanctuary With Monique AnaSend us a text"None of us are safe until all of us are safe." -A bold and true statement from this episode’s guest, Monique Ana.Creating spaces where Survivors can experience different healing modalities is the mission at Victory Garden Sanctuary. Born and raised in the same Children of God cult, Monique is now putting everything she has into making a safe space where survivors of human trafficking, labor trafficking and cult trafficking can find needed respite, regain connection with their deeper selves, and experience the healing power of nature all in one...
2023-03-1155 min
Butterflies and BraveryOn The Lighter Side of ThingsSend us a textDid you know that March was chosen as Women's History Month because it's the only month that came with instructions? (No, it's a mom joke.) For our first podcast of the month, we're keeping it on the lighter side of things so that we can continue recovering from last week's podcast. We chat about AI, diamond art and what's up ahead for this month, including the launch of our first EX-COG second and third generation chat group.Yes, we definitely should have had a few notes on what we...
2023-03-0443 min
Butterflies and BraveryBurn After ReadingSend us a textIn this episode, Whisper and Jemima read one of the most heinous publications the Children of God cult put out. A missive published in November of 1986 that was so despicable, cult members were told to burn it immediately after reading it. Plus, we’ve got some exciting news! Please listen with caution. This was not by any means easy to read, and we can only imagine that it will be difficult to hear. But one thing for sure, they can’t say they didn’t know. Reach out if you need support...
2023-02-2655 min
Butterflies and BraveryThe Healing Is In the PainSend us a textAn astounding Polaris Project study on needs of survivors of human trafficking had us asking if adults who were born into cults and those who were trafficked have similar needs. Join Whisper and her trusty sidekick Jemima as they discuss the study, Adverse Childhood Experiences (ACEs) and the stigma surrounding "big stories". You know, the ones that make the room go quiet.Support the showSupport The Show: https://paypal.me/bnbdonations?country.x=US&locale.x=en_USVisit our WebsiteFollow us:Instagram...
2023-02-1836 min
Butterflies and BraveryBacky on TrackySend us a textHello, February!With jokes and laughs and cries we weave our way through a talk about human trafficking, survivor resources, exciting things going on in the ex-born in a cult arena, “Heaven’s girl”, and why it's an accomplishment to stick around for the brighter tomorrows we never thought would come.Plus, a surprise visit from a new pet!Links to the "Heaven's Girl" publications here: https://www.xfamily.org/index.php/Heaven%27s_GirlSupport the showSupport The Show: https://paypal.me/bnbdon...
2023-02-0737 min
Butterflies and Bravery...It Just WasSend us a textOur conversation with cult survivor Angela led us down several paths. Angela describes her experience in the Children of God as, "I didn't really have thoughts about did I or did I not believe, it just was." During our chat together we address things that many of us struggle with like body positivity issues, listening to our bodies and knowing when to stop, belonging, etc. Angela's story about finding a therapist, might be one of the most shocking you've ever heard....Support the show:https://paypal.me/butterfliesandbraver
2023-01-2855 min
Butterflies and BraveryYour Square Gets BiggerSend us a textWelcome 2023! In our first episode of the year we share some stats from last year, talk about things we've learned and tell some stories too. We hope you enjoy this episode and we're glad you're here to live another day. Support the showSupport The Show: https://paypal.me/bnbdonations?country.x=US&locale.x=en_USVisit our WebsiteFollow us:InstagramFacebookTwitter
2023-01-2133 min
Butterflies and BraveryChutes and Ladders, Cult VersionSend us a textWe had the privilege of being guests on another podcast, Critical and Thinking with Ty Barnett and Ian Harris. Join us as we chat more in depth about some of the topics covered, and a few other tangents. Butterflies and Bravery wishes you all a happy Thanksgiving week. This time of year can be difficult for many of us, so we hope you find a way to enjoy your time and create traditions that are meaningful to you and your loved ones. Whether it's your birth family or chosen family, we w...
2022-11-2248 minButterflies and BraveryHumlity's Roar and The Ant HillSend us a textSometimes a whisper can be louder than a roar. Join us this week as we chat about what's been going on in our worlds. Jemima talks about a fall at work and what that might mean for her in the near future. Then Whisper tells us how she learned that humility can look very differently than we may think. We close this episode with Jemima's "The Ant Hill", inspired by Dr. Gabor Mate's latest book, The Myth Of Normal. Support the showSupport The Show: https://paypal.me/bnbdonations?c...
2022-11-1336 min
Butterflies and BraveryWe Know Our ABCs - Kind OfSend us a textAttention Deficit Hacks, Building Back Better and Connections If it’s living with CPTSD or living with ADHD, we need our little life hacks. Whisper found an ADHD helpline…tweet. It’s a Twitter thread. In a shorter, light-hearted episode, we catch up with each other and talk about what’s coming up for the podcast and remind ourselves about the things that are important for us and for the podcast. Support the showSupport The Show: https://paypal.me/bnbdonations?country.x=US&locale...
2022-10-2740 min
Butterflies and BraveryAre "All Things Lawful Unto Me"?Send us a textNote to cult leaders: Maybe read the whole Bible verse before starting a new belief system?Jemima and Whisper talk a little about everything (again) in this episode, including the correlation--that Whisper doesn't pronounce correctly (again)--between Human Trafficking, Domestic Violence and cult life. Parenting, The Scarlet Pimpernel, telling our stories and why our parents won’t apologize are just a few of the things talked about, all peppered with personal stories, candidness, and humor. If you need someone to talk to, schedule an appointment with us for our no...
2022-10-1640 min
Speaking Up: Surviving Religions and CultsChildren of God - Jemima - S1E24Jemima grew up in “The Children of God” cult. Now she hosts a podcast with her friend Whisper. The podcast is called “Butterflies and Bravery.”Butterflies and Bravery is a podcast created and hosted by two cult Survivors and best friends who were born into the notorious Children of God cult. Listen as Whisper and Jemima tell their stories of turning surviving into thriving, interview other Survivors, and straight talk all things cult, trauma, and religion recovery. Our episodes are guest-led, so anything can happen! Our conversations are real, raw and often NSFW. They may be triggeri...
2022-10-1053 min
Butterflies and BraveryOur Roots Are In Each OtherSend us a textLisa Kendall, founder of Counter Cult Coalition, joins us again to talk about the latest news with the federal statute of limitations being lifted on civil lawsuits relating to allegations of child sexual abuse and federal crimes harming children.Raising awareness about cults and the needs of those born into a cult is a mission we have in common. Being born into a cult means we don't have typical roots like most people.Instead, our roots are in each other. Support Counter Cult Coalition:CashApp: $CounterCult
2022-10-0749 min
Butterflies and BraveryHow To Save a LifeSend us a textSUBJECT WARNING: UNALIVING YOURSELFWhen we sat down together to talk about upcoming plans and new projects, our conversation quickly shifted, because it was the struggles that so many of our ex-cult community have been facing that sat heavy on our minds. We had to talk about what could be done to help our community not feel so alone. We see the needs that are clearly arising in our group to be not just heard, but really listened to and most of all, understood. And we want to listen. We know...
2022-09-2943 min
Butterflies and BraveryOn the Lighter SideSend us a textAfter last weeks very somber episode, we thought it would be nice to do something a little lighter this week. Whisper and Jemima share stories about THC and other gummies, some funny sex stories and a whole lot more. We hope you laugh your ass off like we did!Support the showSupport The Show: https://paypal.me/bnbdonations?country.x=US&locale.x=en_USVisit our WebsiteFollow us:InstagramFacebookTwitter
2022-09-1546 min
Butterflies and BraveryThe Bravest ThingSend us a textSUBJECT WARNING-UNALIVING YOURSELFHaving been born prisoners of our parents war, an all too familiar tragedy we face in our communities is ongoing and constant suicides. Whisper and Jemima both share some of their personal experiences of having been to the darkest of places, the place where you want to cease to exist. We talk about some of the struggles loved ones face, how we can be more helpful to each other, and hope. Hope can keep you alive. Hope for brighter days ahead. “The bravest thi...
2022-09-0854 minButterflies and BraveryLosing My ReligionSend us a textJanice Selbie was born into fundamentalist Pentecostal Christianity. She was steeped in the church from birth. Eventually her need for authenticity, outweighed her need for acceptance. Today, a trained therapist, she aids others in their escape from the clutches of fundamentalist religion. She also recently hosted a conference on religious trauma available to the public on her youtube channel, In October she is hosting the first ever Shameless Sexuality, Life After Purity Culture conference. You can also hire her for one on one counselling to help with your religious deconstruction. Janice S...
2022-09-011h 00
Butterflies and BraveryThe Crocodile Closest to The BoatSend us a textBeth Matenaer went from adopted to "a troubled teen" sent off into the mountains of California. Attempting escape, Beth hiked 50 miles to civilization in the middle of the night. Hear the rest of her story as we interview Beth, now a trained trauma therapist working with cult survivors and drug and alcohol addiction. Along with Dr. Janja Lalich, a renowned cult expert, they have constructed classes for those leaving cults and high coercion situations. Take Back Your Life Recovery Courseswww.tbylr.comLantana Recoveryhttps://www.l...
2022-08-251h 15
Butterflies and BraveryReparenting is Never LinearSend us a textGrowing up in a cult or a high control or coercive atmosphere can sometimes leave your inner child needing reparenting. What is reparenting anyhow? Tonight we talk about what that means for both of us, and remind ourselves that it can look different at all the stages of our journey, and how a little change in perspective can make huge differences along the way. We're giving ourselves another of our strange little pep talks, so grab your inner child and come play with us!Support the showSupport The S...
2022-08-1143 min
Butterflies and BraveryWe Even Coordinated Outfits For This EpisodeSend us a textIn this episode, a t-shirt that read, "Life leads you down many paths, but my favorite one leads to the mountains" started off the conversation, and it did lead us down many paths. We start in Jamaica, plus hear updates from "Aunt Jemima's" life and some exciting possibilities coming her way. Other paths included understanding others, living with the devastating after effects of abuse and colonization, pronouns and parents. We also talk about the resilience and perseverance that it takes to rebuild your life, and how proud anyone who has done it should be. So...
2022-08-0439 min
Butterflies and BraveryDon't Just Cope, Restructure!Send us a textWe’ve all faced times in our lives when we get shaken, but sometimes we find ourselves facing times where it feels like nothing’s letting up. And just like a soda bottle, that constant shaking is building pressure with each jolt. If we don’t let some of that out in a controlled escape, things start to go boom.Whisper gets vulnerable again this week,as she talks about some recent personal shakings and what went boom. We talk about the Born In A Cult classes that we are currently taking...
2022-07-2838 min
Butterflies and BraveryShe's An Eagle When She FliesSend us a textHow do you fit a life like ours into a single chapter? Whisper makes a run at doing just that with her chapter in "Dare to Express", a collaboration book coming out in September. A handful of amazing women were invited to write a chapter about their lives, and Whisper was one of them. Jemima and Whisper read this beautifully woven story of a little girl clinging to a lifeline found in the back seat of a car she should have never had to be in. Support the showSu...
2022-07-2150 min
Butterflies and BraveryRebuild and Thrive by Amanda Moon EllevisSend us a textAmanda Moon Ellevis is a survivor of trafficking and sexual exploitation. Her heart for the exploited stems from her unique vulnerabilities as a young musician in the San Francisco Bay Area, as well as her experience being homeless. Now she’s helping others through her newly released book, “Rebuild and Thrive” a guide to assist survivors of exploitation in their first steps toward physical, financial, and emotional independence. Join us as Amanda tells her amazing story of rescue, redemption, and reclamation. Book Signing for Rebuild and ThriveFriday...
2022-07-1444 min
Butterflies and BraveryFrom Back to BackSend us a textThis week we have a short episode as Whisper and Jemima touch base to talk about their week and what’s been happening in their corner of the world. Whisper’s little fur baby is having some health issues, and Jemima and Whisper talk more about taking care of the pets they’ve loved and lost.Support the showSupport The Show: https://paypal.me/bnbdonations?country.x=US&locale.x=en_USVisit our WebsiteFollow us:InstagramFacebookTwitter
2022-07-0723 min
Butterflies and BraveryCOG-TFI Survivors: The fight for justice in the aftermath of a destructive cultSend us a textIn our first ever two-guest episode we talk with two of the founders of the COG-TFI Survivors movement. Their mission is to spread awareness and bring justice to the survivors of the extremist cult, the Children of God. To expose their crimes, and appeal to authorities to take action against COG-TFI leaders and abusers. We have a chance to ask some tough questions and talk about what justice means to us.Join us for for this international interview, then visit, follow and like their social media. Please sign the...
2022-06-301h 11
Butterflies and BraveryBuoys In the OceanSend us a textSometimes we all need a little reminder that we’ve got this. In this episode, Whisper and Jemima share some affirmations that can give us that reminder. And in their signature fashion, throw in a little bit of everything as they wander around things off topic, catch up on their week and spend time laughing at themselves. So if you need a little break from your day, this episode is for you.1. I am worthy. Worthy of being loved and cared for. Worthy of the good that comes to me. Worthy of...
2022-06-2336 min
Butterflies and BraveryDancing With Joy and SorrowSend us a text"Grief does not change you. It reveals you.” -- John GreenGrief and loss are things that we all face at some point in our life. But when losses come one after another, we can end up in grief overload. Melissa found herself facing this, having lost her mother and two brothers in a short period of time. But where many might have crumbled, Melissa found the strength to not only hold the many facets of her grief, but to find her joy again as well. In this episode Melissa joins us...
2022-06-161h 10
Butterflies and BraveryHeadlamps OnSend us a textThis episode, come join us as we welcome Pride month, and chat about random things, including the definition of PTSD, CPTSD and Moral Injury. Plus, we have some laughs as we discuss sexuality, jack hammers and carousels, caves, headlamps and rage rooms. We hope you’ll enjoy spending the evening with us! - Whisper & Jemimahttps://linktr.ee/bnbravepodcastSupport the showSupport The Show: https://paypal.me/bnbdonations?country.x=US&locale.x=en_USVisit our Websi...
2022-06-0954 min
Butterflies and BraveryUnmasking Fundamentalist ChristianitySend us a textBorn into a fundamentalist Christian home, Tammie Willis knew coercion and control from a very young age. Kept busy with religious activities, school and church all day, she had little time for anything else. Leaving religion and deconstructing the trauma that she had experienced may have been easier if her life wasn't struck with tragedy in her teen years. Somehow she stumbled upon Dr. Janja Lalich's Take Back Your Life Courses, and now works with Dr. Lalich, Sally Martin and Beth Matenaer who are survivors and trauma informed therapists. Tammie wanted to help...
2022-06-0258 min
Butterflies and BraverySpeaking Up with Andrew PledgerSend us a textAndrew Pledger was born in a fundamentalist Christian home. He was home schooled and fully immersed in religion from a very young age. When he began to question things in his teen years, he came to some conclusions that didn't quite line up with what he had been taught. He broke free from his religion and came out to the world as part of the LGBTQ+ community in a very dramatic and public way. Now Andrew is an activist, writer and podcaster helping to bring awareness about spiritual and religious abuse and trauma. H...
2022-05-271h 04
Butterflies and BraveryPhoenix RisingSend us a textAshlee was only 16 when she met him. What appeared at first to be a fairytale romance, became a web of control growing over her life. The short-lived joy of a fancy car and new clothes came crashing down. Once things turned bloody, she knew she had to escape. Before it was too late. Ashlee's dramatic story became one of transformation and healing from12 years of chronic physical pain caused by emotional trauma. Ashlee found her life purpose and now coaches women who are stuck living in the fear and anxiety from...
2022-05-191h 01
Butterflies and BraveryTwo Cult Babies Turn OneSend us a textWe are officially one year old! And what a year it's been! We have been honored with the presence of so many survivors, heard stories that made us laugh and cry, and we've shared them with the world. Whisper and Jemima talk about some of the things that have surprised them the most about being podcasters, as well as some of the reasons we do this. Support the showSupport The Show: https://paypal.me/bnbdonations?country.x=US&locale.x=en_USVisit our Website
2022-05-1253 min
Butterflies and BraveryLet's Talk Cults with Deb Donner Part 2Send us a textIn the second half of our two-part interview with Deb Donner, we learn even more details about daily life for kids in The Wesleyan Community compound, and where it all is today. Plus we pick some daisies about growing up in cults, finding purpose, family relationships, and figuring out life outside the cult.Support the showSupport The Show: https://paypal.me/bnbdonations?country.x=US&locale.x=en_USVisit our WebsiteFollow us:InstagramFacebookTwitter
2022-04-2850 min
Butterflies and BraveryLet's Talk Cults with Deb Donner Part 1Send us a textDeb Donner grew up in The Wesleyan Community, a cult-church led by Lou Hillendahl and spent much of that time living in tents without electricity or running water. That’s only part of her incredible story of survival.In this first half of a two-part interview, Deb speaks candidly & unapologetically with Jemima and Whisper of her life both in and after the cult, and her journey of healing and recovery. “I don't apologize for speaking the truth and telling the things that happened to me and making people uncomfortable becau...
2022-04-2149 min
Butterflies and BraveryCounter Cult CoalitionSend us a textLisa Kendall was just 9 years old when her mother decided to join the “Move of God,” finally leaving at age 19. Today Lisa devotes her time to advocacy work for other child victims of cults and coercive organizations. Lisa has been active in the cult awareness community since 2012, providing support for custody cases, child protective service investigations, testifying before state legislatures, and speaking about the possibilities for public policy to better protect children in coercive groups. A Masters in Public Administration and extensive experience in business and nonprofit management are the cornerstones of her inno...
2022-04-1446 min
Butterflies and BraveryLet's Talk Cult Recovery with Dr. Janja LalichSend us a textThis week we were honored to have the opportunity to sit down with world-renowned cult expert Dr. Janja Lalich to discuss cult recovery, healing trauma, and needed resources for cult survivors. Dr. Lalich talks about her ground-breaking cult recovery programs, explains “bonded choice," plus her thoughts on the second generation survivors of the infamous Children of God cult.www.janjalalich.comwww.tbylr.comSupport the showSupport The Show: https://paypal.me/bnbdonations?country.x=US&locale.x=en_USVisit our WebsiteFollo...
2022-04-0656 minButterflies and BraveryLife Is Like A...BurgerSend us a textThis week Butterflies and Bravery is taking a short break off-air, and will be back next week with full episodes and extra special guests! (Hint: Have you heard of renowned cult expert Dr. Janja Lalich?) Of course, we wouldn't be us without a quick check-in, a little of our signature rambling, and an original Jemima-ism mental healthy snack. That's also about food. (Hunger may have been involved in the conception.) A somewhat cryptic sneak-peak of upcoming interviews we're pretty-damn-excited-about rounds up this short episode. So, come for the burgers and stay for the f...
2022-03-3017 minButterflies and BraverySide Effects and Trading RecipesSend us a textIn another non-episode episode, your hosts Jemima and Whisper are celebratinganother podcast milestone of 7000downloads! Reflecting on the journeyso far, they talk about their mostmemorable episodes, "side effects"experienced and lessons along the way. Plus, listen in for sneak peak news onnew guest interviews in the coming weeks. Support the showSupport The Show: https://paypal.me/bnbdonations?country.x=US&locale.x=en_USVisit our WebsiteFollow us:InstagramFacebookTwitter
2022-03-2431 minButterflies and BraveryMy Grandfather The Cult LeaderSend us a textWhat do you do when the founder of the cult you were born into is your paternal grandfather? Whatever you can to survive. In this unprecedented interview, for the first time David Berg speaks out about growing up in the cult that his namesake founded. David bravely tells us his touching story for the first time, and we got to ask the question: What was it like growing up as the grandson of the leader of the Children of God? Probably nothing you can imagine.Support the showSupport T...
2022-03-1753 min
Butterflies and BraveryChasing Dope-amineSend us a textJoin us for this special episode as we celebrate Jemima's EIGHT year anniversary since getting clean from methamphetamines. Addiction can take many forms, but does it all come from the same place? We discuss addiction expert Dr. Gabor Mate's view of addiction as a symptom of pain and trauma, compassionate solutions for ourselves and our loved ones and the honesty it takes to break free. Support the showSupport The Show: https://paypal.me/bnbdonations?country.x=US&locale.x=en_USVisit our WebsiteFollow us:
2022-03-1054 min
Butterflies and BraveryHolding or Hijacking?Send us a textIn this week's episode, we were honored with the opportunity to interview Heather Plett, author of "The Art of Holding Space." Heather tells us her amazing story, and we have a powerful conversation about healing from trauma and how to hold space for ourselves and each other. If you were going to listen to only one episode of Butterflies and Bravery, this is that episode. Besides her books, Heather has also founded a center, created several programs, and facilitated workshops all over the world.Learn more about Hea...
2022-03-0357 minButterflies and BraveryThat Cycle Ends With MeSend us a textGrowing up Cree, Mike Scott’s earliest memories of his family and indigenous community are mired in poverty, residential schools, foster care, substance abuse, incarceration, grief & heart-breaking loss. Attempting to drown it all, Mike found himself already struggling with addiction in his teens. This is Mike’s inspirational story of redemption and reclamation into the sober father, mentor and renowned motivational speaker he is today. Check out his awesome merchandise atwww.creecustoms.comFollow Mike on Facebook and InstagramFacebook: @oneshinemusicInstagram: @soberissexiSupport the...
2022-02-231h 22
Butterflies and BraveryVoice of an Angel, Heart of a WarriorSend us a textSusan Cagle was catapulted into fame after being discovered singing in the subway. In the next few years she would go on to release two albums, sing at the Video Music Awards, take part in an interview on the Oprah Winfrey show and even appear in an independent film. But what was happening inside her head and heart? Join us as we hear her story, her heart aches and heart breaks, laughter along the way and what's in store for her next.Follow Susan on Instagram:https://www.instagram.com...
2022-02-161h 11Butterflies and BraveryBabies, Births and FiremenSend us a textWhat does labour sound like? Sometimes like a late 90's sex symbol in a loincloth. In this episode, Whisper and Jemima tell some of the funny (and not so funny) stories of the births of their children. From crazy conditions in Thailand to tiny houses in Seattle, Whisper recounts the astonishing circumstances around her first pregnancy and the--literally--unhinged birth of her second child. Then Jemima and Whisper reminisce together about some of Jemima's crazy antics during her intense and drawn out labour and childbirth. From 20 firemen in a tiny bathroom with a newborn b...
2022-02-0946 minButterflies and BraveryNevertheless She Persisted and She FlourishedSend us a textOur guest this week shares her enthralling story of overcoming incredible odds. When her parents felt called to "serve the Lord" in another country, Joyce and her younger brother were abandoned in Brazil. While Joyce was able to navigate and survive the cult, her brother had a difficult time surrendering himself completely to the cult teachings. He was a rebel, and they did not like rebels. After severe and cruel punishment didn't work, he bounced around from commune to commune, eventually ending up on the streets of Brazil. Joyce shares the heart breaking...
2022-02-021h 12Butterflies and BraveryFrom "The Work" To the Real WorldSend us a textLisa grew up in a cult called, "The Work" led by Julius Schacknow or "Brother Julius" who declared himself "the sinful Messiah". Astounding similarities arise to the Children of God cult that Whisper and Jemima grew up in, as Lisa talks about what life was like coming of age in Brother Julius' world. Hear about her childhood challenges and eventual escape from the circumstances she was dragged into. Find out how she rebuilt her life and lived to tell the tale. Watch for her upcoming book titled, The Work, The World and Me I...
2022-01-261h 04Butterflies and BraveryDoctors or Dogmas?Send us a textLet's talk tough! Has religion ever played a detrimental part in your health decisions? In this episode Jemima and Whisper discuss some controversial and difficult subjects connected to faith healing, religious dogma, smashing stigmas around mental health, and more. Plus, a new segment! Weekly jokes about cults and extreme religious beliefs! For example, Why did the cultists drink the Kool-Aid? To get to the other side..... Join us every week for a new cult-tastic joke!Support the showSupport The Show: https://paypal.me/bnbdonations?country.x=US&locale.x...
2022-01-191h 06Butterflies and BraveryParadoxical HealingSend us a textSuffering immense loss at a very young age, and growing up in the Children of God cult is a double whammy, but our guest Maria would have an even more difficult journey ahead of her. Sent on a mission to Africa at a young age, she would face some of the most difficult obstacles in her life. On a fierce mission to rebuild her life back in her homeland, she encountered even more challenges. Join us to find out how Maria rebuilt her life and became a successful psychologist. Plus some great tips...
2022-01-131h 06Butterflies and BraveryAround the World in 38 MinutesSend us a textHappy New Year! Our first episode this year is packed with fun stuff! We share some of the stats from our podcast this last year, and chat about random things like Dexter (the TV show). Join us to find out some of our top stats, like which cities were our top listeners, which countries we have been popular (and not so popular) in, and which stat surprised us each the most. Support the showSupport The Show: https://paypal.me/bnbdonations?country.x=US&locale.x=en_USV...
2022-01-0738 minButterflies and BraveryHoliday Ramblings with Whisper and JemimaSend us a textHoliday discussions of past and present, peppered with the usual dark humor and unusual origins of some popular traditions. Plus tangents like Jemima's experience with plucking of the Christmas goose, and the story of course does not end there. Join us to find out what the holidays mean to us, and some of our self made rituals on Christmas.Support the showSupport The Show: https://paypal.me/bnbdonations?country.x=US&locale.x=en_USVisit our WebsiteFollow us:InstagramFacebookTwitter
2021-12-1635 minButterflies and BraveryFirst Step 4 LifeSend us a textLooking from the outside in, Ashley's life seemed picture perfect. A ministers daughter, captain of the cheerleading squad marrying the football star of their school. But things are not always as they appear to be. Ashley struggled with drug use and drinking from a young age. Trying to be super mom and work all day and maintain a household, she fell into heavier drug use. Listen to hear her remarkable story of survival and how she turned her life around and became a peer recovery coach, living to help others heal from the...
2021-12-0953 minButterflies and BraveryNot Episode 28Send us a textThis week is a short "not episode" due to some of the sadder and difficult things in life that we all have to deal with. Plus a little "mental healthy snack" about self care. Listen to find out what life threw at us this last couple weeks. Thank you all for listening! Support the showSupport The Show: https://paypal.me/bnbdonations?country.x=US&locale.x=en_USVisit our WebsiteFollow us:InstagramFacebookTwitter
2021-12-0205 min
Butterflies and BraveryMary JaneSend us a textMeet Mary Jane Oatman. Descendant of Chief Looking Glass, youngest member appointed by President Barack Obama to serve on the National Advisory Council on Indian Education while also serving as the first director for Indian Education in the state of Idaho, founder of THC magazine and much more. Listen as we hear more about this amazing woman in this episode. Happy Thanksgiving!Support the showSupport The Show: https://paypal.me/bnbdonations?country.x=US&locale.x=en_USVisit our WebsiteFollow us:Instagram...
2021-11-251h 15Butterflies and BraveryMy MS DiagnosisSend us a textIf you or someone you love has ever been diagnosed with a chronic illness, you may understand some of the struggles our guest faces on a daily basis. Being diagnosed with Multiple Sclerosis came as a real shock to an otherwise young and healthy Angie. Join us as we talk about the different aspects of a diagnosis like this for you and your loved ones.Support the showSupport The Show: https://paypal.me/bnbdonations?country.x=US&locale.x=en_USVisit our WebsiteFollow us:
2021-11-1741 minButterflies and BraveryAll Tore UpSend us a textJemima is renovating her kitchen and living room so this week is a short check in and a little tidbit for you to ponder. Support the showSupport The Show: https://paypal.me/bnbdonations?country.x=US&locale.x=en_USVisit our WebsiteFollow us:InstagramFacebookTwitter
2021-11-0312 minButterflies and BraveryLet's Talk Mental HealthSend us a textDo you have a dream or goal that you're working towards? Giving yourself something to look forward to can be helpful for easing depression. Having a plan and visualizing yourself there can help to bridge the gap between dreams and reality. Listen to this short episode with a few stories and more little tidbits to encourage a healthy mind. " I must endure the presence of a few caterpillars if I wish to become acquainted with the butterflies.” -- Antoine de Saint-ExupérySupport the show...
2021-10-2732 minButterflies and BraveryLast Testament Review--Bonus EpisodeSend us a textBonus EpisodeOur thoughts on the film Last Testament by Anthony Catalano outlining the final hours of Ricky Rodriguez' life. Watch on Google, Amazon Prime and on most other major streaming services.Google linkhttps://play.google.com/store/search?q=last%20testament&c=moviesSupport the showSupport The Show: https://paypal.me/bnbdonations?country.x=US&locale.x=en_USVisit our WebsiteFollow us:InstagramFacebookTwitter
2021-10-2125 minButterflies and BraveryButterflies, Boners and By-GonesSend us a textLearning to laugh at your life experiences can be a helpful and healing tool. Bringing some levity to the subject, Jemima and Whisper share random hilarious memories, tidbits of their lives growing up in the Children of God cult. Dropped cakes, vodka, Russian toasts, and more. Support the showSupport The Show: https://paypal.me/bnbdonations?country.x=US&locale.x=en_USVisit our WebsiteFollow us:InstagramFacebookTwitter
2021-10-2045 minButterflies and BraveryThe Last Testament of Ricky RodriguezSend us a textHave you ever heard a story that crept into the depths of your soul and gripped it mercilessly? Anthony Catalano had always dreamed of being a filmmaker, but didn't know where to start. For years he searched for the perfect project. When he listened to the heartbreaking story of Ricky Rodriguez’ final hours on "Last Podcast on the Left," Anthony knew he had found his mission. Recognizing similar pain and struggles, he knew in a way the story could have been his too. Join us, two survivors of the same Children of God cu...
2021-10-1453 minButterflies and BraveryNot Your Average JoeSend us a textLeaving the Children of God at 11 years of age wasn't the end of Joe's nightmare. Growing up with an abusive step parent made it almost like he had never left the cult. Life as an adolescent "on the outside" was a culture shock for Joe. Having lived in India during his childhood, returning to school in Australia was a whole new world he had never experienced. Joe was able to pick up the shattered pieces of his childhood, and create a life for himself and his family that was worth living. Just when...
2021-10-071h 19Butterflies and BraveryHow To Save A LifeSend us a text“It is under the greatest adversity that there exists the greatest potential for doing good, both for oneself and others.” --Dalai Lama (Content Warning: Suicide & Suicidal Ideation)Losing a friend or partner or mother or daughter is one of the most difficult things a human can experience, and yet it is something almost every one of us will face during our lives. Having lost not one but two very dear people in 2020, Sarah shares with us her story of endurance and perseverance. She has been a proverbial lighthouse shining her light of ac...
2021-09-301h 16
Butterflies and BraveryBecoming Petra VelzeboerSend us a textMeet Petra Velzeboer. From rock bottom to mental health leader. Hear her tell in her own words how she went from what could have been the end of her life, to leading not only a prosperous life herself but blazing the trail for mental health in the workplace. Leaving the Children of God, pregnant and penniless, Petra tells us her gripping story of survival and success. After being denied a basic education as a child, she entered a Masters program and earned a degree. Something she thought she could never do. Her own life di...
2021-09-231h 06Butterflies and BraveryChildren of MolochSend us a textIn this episode we interview Sandy Ellis who joined the Children of God as a young teenager in Australia. Unknowingly suffering from depression she was incredibly drawn to the group of foreigners who came to her school singing and smiling, preaching a message of love that knows no boundaries. She dropped out of school and joined the cult. Little did she know, this would be the beginning of a long and arduous journey. She appropriately but nevertheless sorrowfully likens the suffering of the children of the "Children of God" cult to the child sacr...
2021-09-151h 16Butterflies and BraveryVerity on "Children of the Cult" Part 2Send us a textWould you ever be able to lock up your father? Or another relative? In this episode we talk to Verity Carter who faced just such a dilemma. The recent 5 part Discovery+ docuseries "Children of the Cult" follows her unimaginably agonizing journey escaping the cult she was born into, to fighting for justice and everything in between. Verity's tenacity, resilience and vulnerability blew us away. Listen to her story and the groundbreaking conclusion.Support the showSupport The Show: https://paypal.me/bnbdonations?country.x=US&locale.x=en...
2021-09-0939 minButterflies and BraveryVerity on "Children of the Cult" Part 1Send us a textWould you ever be able to lock up your father? Or another family member? In this episode we talk to Verity Carter, who faced just such a dilemma. The recent 5 part Discovery+ docuseries "Children of the Cult" follows her unimaginably agonizing journey from escaping the cult she was born into, to fighting for justice and everything in between. Verity's tenacity, resilience and vulnerability blew us away. Listen to her story and the groundbreaking conclusion.Support the showSupport The Show: https://paypal.me/bnbdonations?country.x=US&locale.x=e...
2021-09-0958 minButterflies and BraveryDriving Yourself UncrazySend us a textDo you remember getting your drivers license? What was it like for you? Did you finally feel free to go where you wanted and do what you pleased? After leaving the cult they were born and raised in, Jemima and Whisper both had a defining moment of freedom when they finally learned to drive. Reflecting on major mental turning points, in this episode the hosts share more glimpses into their lives as they learned what it means to be free and the role mental health played. In their typical frankness Jemima gives us a pl...
2021-09-0252 min
Butterflies and BraveryThe Healing ArtsSend us a textFlorence was one of the later group of children born into the Children of God cult, and the youngest sibling who lost her oldest sister in the same horrific accident we learned about in an earlier podcast episode, The Accident that Changed Everything. Born into a family of artists and entertainers who used their talents to make animal balloons, Florence left the cult as a young teenager to find her own personal expression, something denied to her her whole life. Creating a life from nothing brought challenges and pain, and she struggled to...
2021-08-261h 03Butterflies and BraveryUnCULTured by DMYSend us a textIn this episode we are joined by Daniella Mestyanek Young, one of the first of the third generation of the Children of God cult. Born in the Philppines to a 15 year old mother with a father older than her grandfather, she experienced an intense amount of cultural ambiguity from a very young age. After being excommunicated from the cult, the only world she had ever known at the age of 15, she put herself through school and then decided to join the military. As she climbed the ranks in the United States Army and mad...
2021-08-191h 20Butterflies and BraveryLet's Talk About SexSend us a textDating and sex can be a complicated navigation already, but what happens when you add in a traumatic past or sexual confusion? Whisper and Jemima continue their discussions of experiencing life since escaping the notorious Children of God cult that they were born into. They both get vulnerable with a conversation about dating, sex and finding healing from sexual abuse on their own terms. The topic of human trafficking is also discussed. What it can be, and what you can do about it. For more information on human trafficking visit https://hum...
2021-08-1253 minButterflies and BraveryDiscom-boob-ulatedSend us a textThis week we are joined by Miko Hargett. Freelance writer, wellness advocate, content creator and triple survivor. Having faced many obstacles after leaving the cult she was born into, Miko lays out some of the life lessons that have been the most significant along the way. Losing both her ta-ta's to breast cancer seemed almost like nothing more than another journey to embark on after all the difficulties she'd already overcome. In a way it almost seemed easier. Telling someone you have PTSD and have been a victim of domestic abuse, and telling them...
2021-08-051h 11Butterflies and BraveryTransforming TraumaIn this episode Whisper and Jemima continue laughing and crying through their memories of growing up in the Children of God cult. Beginning with just some of their terrifying teenage tales from Thailand, from eating chicken feed for breakfast to some of the unusual things they were punished for, you get a glimpse into the bizarre and unbelievable things they experienced as teens and young adults in a cult training center in Thailand. The unbelievable stories lead into a discussion of Survivor resilience, the journey to healing and what the podcast means to them.Support the show (ht...
2021-07-2900 minButterflies and BraveryTransforming TraumaSend us a textIn this episode Whisper and Jemima continue laughing and crying through their memories of growing up in the Children of God cult. Beginning with just some of their terrifying teenage tales from Thailand, from eating chicken feed for breakfast to some of the unusual things they were punished for, you get a glimpse into the bizarre things they experienced as teens and young adults in a cult training center in Thailand. The unbelievable stories lead into a discussion of Survivor resilience, the journey to healing and what the podcast means to them....
2021-07-281h 07Butterflies and BraveryHawaiian Horror StorySend us a textThe daughter of a Polish army colonel, young Dorota seemed to have it all. And yet a longing remained in her soul for something more. Leaving the life she knew behind on a whim and joining the cult "The Family International (formerly known as The Children of God)" at 18 years old seemed like a great way to escape, and for awhile it was. As her children grew older she saw the need to provide them with a proper education, and left the cult in order to pursue that dream. Listen as Dorota tells us ab...
2021-07-2242 minButterflies and BraveryThe Accident That Changed EverythingSend us a textAt any moment our world can change entirely. One phone call, one second, one incident can shatter the reality that we've built for ourselves. These occurences are sealed in our memories forever. From that moment on, nothing is ever the same again. Your coffee tastes different, your pillow doesn't feel the same, even the sky seems to have a different hue. This is referred to in psychology as a "flash bulb" moment. Join us as Priscilla shares the story surrounding one such defining moment in her life, and how everything in her world chan...
2021-07-1547 minButterflies and BraveryGiven To God At 12In this episode, Jemima and Whisper delve a little deeper into their history and what it was like growing up and coming of age in the notorious cult, Children of God. From the unbelievable to the bizarre, country-hopping and spy games, listen to their stories as they try to explain the unexplainable, and get vulnerable describing memories they wish they could forget.
2021-07-081h 05Butterflies and BraveryGiven to God at 12Send us a textIn this episode, Jemima and Whisper delve a little deeper into their personal history, and what it was like growing up and coming of age in the notorious cult, Children of God. From the unbelievable to the bizarre, country-hopping, spy games, orgies and more. Listen to their stories as they try to explain the unexplainable, and get vulnerable describing memories they wish they could forget.Support the showSupport The Show: https://paypal.me/bnbdonations?country.x=US&locale.x=en_USVisit our WebsiteFollow us:
2021-07-071h 05Butterflies and BraveryMeet The Alters- (DID continued)Send us a textHave you ever felt like there are other people inside of you, scratching at the surface desperately wanting to get out? Wanting to be heard? Wanting to express themselves somehow? Feeling like we left some cards on the table in our last interview with Damien (and briefly Pink), we decided to dive deeper into the little known waters of Dissociative Identity Disorder. We meet a few more of Damien's alters, including the Gatekeeper (who's all business), and the Host (who's ALL fun). Listen as the different alters answer questions about living day to...
2021-07-011h 19Butterflies and BraveryFor the Love of CatherineSend us a textAfter escaping the abusive Children of God cult, Rose faces homelessness, a crumbling marriage, a daughter addicted to heroin and more. Tune in as she shares her gripping story about a phone call that would change her life forever. Find out how she survives every parents worst nightmare and goes from wreckless, self endangering behavior to a sober vegan cop. https://www.facebook.com/groups/231232607525424Support the showSupport The Show: https://paypal.me/bnbdonations?country.x=US&locale.x=en_USVisit our WebsiteFollow us:
2021-06-2453 min
Butterflies and BraverySystem of a DIDSend us a textIn this episode, we dive deep into the unusual mental health condition known as Dissociative Identity Disorder, or DID. Often colloquially referred to as Multiple Personality Disorder, the diagnosis of DID has at times been controversial among some mental health professionals. This will change as understanding of this condition develops, but there is no question that the symptoms are real. We are honored to have our brave guest, “Protector System,” who has been diagnosed with DID, join us to share their powerful Survivor story with us. And an extra guest showed up unexpectedly for...
2021-06-171h 07
Butterflies and BraveryJail Bait and SwitchSend us a textWe are celebrating Pride all month by talking with LGBTQ Survivors. In this 5th episode, we talk with Austin and hear the experiences and resilience that brought him to where he is today. Up against a disapproving family, felony charges and a difficult coming out, Austin still finds a way to be true to himself.Support the showSupport The Show: https://paypal.me/bnbdonations?country.x=US&locale.x=en_USVisit our WebsiteFollow us:InstagramFacebookTwitter
2021-06-1026 min
Butterflies and BraveryPaper Clip SmilesSend us a textOur first guest, Christina Babin talks about some of her experiences as a child in the notorious sex cult that she grew up in, The Children of God aka The Family. We dive deeper into some of the aspects of our lives that were touched on in the documentary Christina and I were in, People Magazine Investigates: The Chidren of God. Her harrowing stories of institutionalized abuse and survival of unnerving circumstances will rock you to your very core. Listen as she tells about the extreme mistreatment that she and many others (mys...
2021-06-031h 10
Butterflies and BraveryShove That Happy Rainbow Up Your AssSend us a textGrief is one of the most difficult human emotions to deal with, yet it's something almost everyone of us is faced with during our lifetime. In this episode, Whisper shares the deepest parts of her heart that have been touched by grief. A beautiful example of raw human emotions surrounding grief and extreme losses. And what's the "shoving the rainbow where the sun don't shine" bit about? You'll have to listen and see!Support the showSupport The Show: https://paypal.me/bnbdonations?country.x=US&locale.x=en_US...
2021-05-2853 min
Butterflies and BraveryMeth And MeSend us a textTrigger warningIn this episode Jemima bares it all and talks about some of her previous vices, focusing on her meth addiction. She holds nothing back as she takes you down the long dark road she walked. You'll be on the edge of your seat as we delve into the world of drug addiction. Find out how Jemima got clean without attending meetings or having a religious epiphany, and how she managed to stay that way. Sometimes there's not a why, there's not a way, there's just holding on.Support...
2021-05-2140 min
Butterflies and BraveryIt's About To Get WeirdIn our very first episode, we introduce our podcast, ourselves, and spend way too much time having to introduce our names.
2021-05-1637 min
Butterflies and BraveryIt's About to Get WeirdSend us a textIn our very first episode, we introduce our podcast, ourselves, and spend way too much time having to introduce our names. Support the showSupport The Show: https://paypal.me/bnbdonations?country.x=US&locale.x=en_USVisit our WebsiteFollow us:InstagramFacebookTwitter
2021-05-1237 min