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Butterflies and BraveryLet's Not Talk PoliticsSend us a textIt's been a busy couple months and a rough couple weeks, to say the least. Join Whisper and Jemima as we catch you up on where we've been and what we've been up to. We also talk about the election results from the perspective of born-in cult survivors, what that means, and dealing with the triggers that come with it. Later we read some fantastic tips for dealing with triggers from Beth Matenaer, a therapist and cult Survivor. www.bethmatenaer.comSupport the showSupport T...2024-11-1759 minButterflies and BraveryAnd We're Off On Another AdventureSend us a textWhisper and Jemima are on their way to present at ICSA 2024. Our panel consisting of a psychologist from Australia and your Butterflies and Bravery crew is speaking at the International Cultic Studies Association yearly conference. Listen as we share a little sneak peek of our presentation.Support the showSupport The Show: https://paypal.me/bnbdonations?country.x=US&locale.x=en_USVisit our WebsiteFollow us:InstagramFacebookTwitter2024-06-3041 minButterflies and BraveryIt Was All About Submission (And Not the Fun Kind)Send us a textIt was all about control. What was sexually perverted according to the Children of God cult? Whisper reads some passages from Lauren Hough's New York Times Bestseller, Leaving Isn't the Hardest Thing. Some very candid conversations about sex, bonded choice, and why maybe some of us are just now figuring out our sexuality ensue. Visit our Threadless shop and pick up some swag. All proceeds go to help fund our trip to Spain to speak at the International Cultic Studies Association yearly conference. Thank you for your continued support, we appreciate e...2024-04-0254 min
Butterflies and BraveryIt's A No Hug DaySend us a textMeet Em Thomas. Dog trainer, cult survivor and conversationalist extraordinaire. Listen as Em talks with Jemima and Whisper about some difficult but relatable topics. We discuss bodily autonomy, how cults used sex to control and so much more. Plus we announce the opening of our Threadless shop and exciting news for this summer.Support the showSupport The Show: https://paypal.me/bnbdonations?country.x=US&locale.x=en_USVisit our WebsiteFollow us:InstagramFacebookTwitter2024-03-061h 31
Butterflies and BraveryBurapa Swallows and Ladder PullersSend us a textThe Burapa swallow is one of the few birds in the world that builds its nest out of its own saliva. A self designed refuge. As survivors, we are that refuge for each other. Join us as we catch up with each other, Whisper explains what a ladder puller is and we talk about imposter syndrome.Support the showSupport The Show: https://paypal.me/bnbdonations?country.x=US&locale.x=en_USVisit our WebsiteFollow us:InstagramFacebookTwitter2023-11-0444 min
Butterflies and BraveryMeet Faith Jones: Activist, Attorney and AuthorSend us a textIn spite of being the granddaughter of the infamous cult leader, David Berg, Faith Jones managed to escape the clutches of the sex cult she was born into and found healing and success as a lawyer, activist, entrepreneur, and business advisor. In this episode, Jemima and Whisper speak with Faith Jones, author of the acclaimed memoir, “Sex Cult Nun.” Like the hosts, Faith was born and raised in the Children of God cult, founded by her own grandfather. Against all odds, Faith fought her way out, found healing, success, and a full...2023-09-0955 minButterflies and BraveryICAM and Deep Insights with TabbySend us a textTabitha Chapman is not only a survivor of NXIVM and the founder of International Cult Awareness Month, she is a therapist, founder of Freedom Train Project and much more. Raised in Assemblies of God, Tabitha lived in socially acceptable abusive environments as a child. Last year she founded International Cult Awareness Month in August, amidst a great personal loss. Deep insights into childhood trauma and victim mentality, how children create predictability, enmeshment, what is reslience, why do we fe and so much more. Tabitha explains some incredibly interesting topics and answers questions like, wh...2023-08-191h 06
Butterflies and BraveryWhen the World Didn't End with Guinevere TurnerSend us a textIf you’ve seen the epic films American Psycho, Chasing Amy or Dogma, you’ll probably recognize our amazing guest, Guinevere Turner. Guinevere has written, starred in, and/or directed 34 films to date! Now Guinevere has written a book, When the World Didn't End. In her book, she details some of her experiences growing up in the Lyman family cult. Join us for a great discussion on Guinevere’s life, her book, finding life after escape, and various other culty topics.The audio isn't stellar as our usual recording program wasn't operable, b...2023-07-291h 31
Butterflies and BraveryWe went to ISCA! And Lou-something-ville.Send us a textIn this episode, Whisper and Jemima recap their tripto Louisville, Kentucky to attend theICSA (International Cultic Studies Association) Conference. Thanks to the generosity of ourlisteners, not only did they learn awhole heckin’ lot, but theymade `amazing connections, plans for advocacywork with incredible people, they also had a tonof fun, went on aboat, went underthe troll bridge,and much more!Oh, and they sort of learned how to pronounce Louisville. (Trust, it's a thing.)Support the showSupport The Show: https://paypal.me/bnbdonations?country.x=US...2023-07-1048 min
Butterflies and BraveryGlimmers and Heart SmilesSend us a textThe human brain seeks and recognizes patterns in our every day lives. Part of our survival instincts drive our brains to automatically see the negative patterns. Learning to recognize the beauty in every day life is starting to be recognized as a way to stimulate the polyvagal system, and it helps our brains to begin seeking the positive on a regular basis. Whisper and Jemima talk about polyvagal theory and the benefits of looking for the glimmers, the things that make your heart smile. Plus a few side stories and customary silliness. 2023-05-2755 min
Butterflies and BraverySilenced in EdenSend us a textJo Lloyd Johnson's daughter changed everything, the moment their eyes met, Jo knew that she would be responsible for introducing the world to her child. What will she do if her world is not the world she wants for her child? “I spent most of my life trying to earn worth. But when I became a mother, I could not look at my child as I looked at myself. She was perfect. She was worthy. Slowly, she changed my black and white world into a world of vibrant colors. Silenced in Eden...2023-05-1344 min
Butterflies and BraveryThe Body Hides the ScoreSend us a textHealth issues are becoming more common as the born-into-a-cult groups get older, and many of us struggle to know how to approach self care after being raised like robot soldiers with zero regard for our selves. In this episode Whisper and Jemima talk about the importance of listening to our bodies and asking for help before it's too late, and how hiding the trauma in our brains could cause the same effect in our bodies. Support the showSupport The Show: https://paypal.me/bnbdonations?country.x=US...2023-04-3044 min
Butterflies and BraveryStraight Outta Knee SurgerySend us a textWe're checking in with the newest member of the bionic knee club and just three days out of knee replacement surgery Jemima brings us hospital stories, inspiration, laughs and a little "slam" poetry. This episode is sure to make you smile. Which is good, because our last episode probably didn't.Support the showSupport The Show: https://paypal.me/bnbdonations?country.x=US&locale.x=en_USVisit our WebsiteFollow us:InstagramFacebookTwitter2023-04-0444 min
Butterflies and BraveryFlirty Little Teens??Send us a textTRIGGER WARNING FOR THIS EPISODE: SA, CA, and victim blamingWe're bringing the "Cult Cringe" again..... In this episode Whisper and Jemima read another publication that was required reading for all Children of God cult members, titled "Flirty Little Teens Beware". This publication was directed at us, the children, and places the blame on us preteens and teenagers for those poor Christian men falling into the trap of lusting after a child. We do our best to process and file away the bullshit that we grew up with, continuing our quest...2023-03-291h 14
Butterflies and BraveryThe Beginning of the BeginningSend us a textIn this episode, we hear Sara Durham's story, from being born into a cult and raised under the crushing weight of extreme beliefs, through the cult imploding, beginning her healing journey and the work of “undoing”, to the beautiful place she is today. With encouragement, wit, and profound insights, Sara will cheer you on to believe in your own awesomeness too! "I'm at a place where I look in the mirror and…I love who stares back at me in the mirror and I don't feel like I'm broken anymore. " --Sara Durham2023-03-191h 02
Butterflies and BraveryVictory Garden Sanctuary With Monique AnaSend us a text"None of us are safe until all of us are safe." -A bold and true statement from this episode’s guest, Monique Ana.Creating spaces where Survivors can experience different healing modalities is the mission at Victory Garden Sanctuary. Born and raised in the same Children of God cult, Monique is now putting everything she has into making a safe space where survivors of human trafficking, labor trafficking and cult trafficking can find needed respite, regain connection with their deeper selves, and experience the healing power of nature all in one...2023-03-1155 min
Butterflies and BraveryOn The Lighter Side of ThingsSend us a textDid you know that March was chosen as Women's History Month because it's the only month that came with instructions? (No, it's a mom joke.) For our first podcast of the month, we're keeping it on the lighter side of things so that we can continue recovering from last week's podcast. We chat about AI, diamond art and what's up ahead for this month, including the launch of our first EX-COG second and third generation chat group.Yes, we definitely should have had a few notes on what we...2023-03-0443 min
Butterflies and BraveryBurn After ReadingSend us a textIn this episode, Whisper and Jemima read one of the most heinous publications the Children of God cult put out. A missive published in November of 1986 that was so despicable, cult members were told to burn it immediately after reading it. Plus, we’ve got some exciting news! Please listen with caution. This was not by any means easy to read, and we can only imagine that it will be difficult to hear. But one thing for sure, they can’t say they didn’t know. Reach out if you need support...2023-02-2655 min
Butterflies and BraveryThe Healing Is In the PainSend us a textAn astounding Polaris Project study on needs of survivors of human trafficking had us asking if adults who were born into cults and those who were trafficked have similar needs. Join Whisper and her trusty sidekick Jemima as they discuss the study, Adverse Childhood Experiences (ACEs) and the stigma surrounding "big stories". You know, the ones that make the room go quiet.Support the showSupport The Show: https://paypal.me/bnbdonations?country.x=US&locale.x=en_USVisit our WebsiteFollow us:Instagram...2023-02-1836 min
Butterflies and BraveryBacky on TrackySend us a textHello, February!With jokes and laughs and cries we weave our way through a talk about human trafficking, survivor resources, exciting things going on in the ex-born in a cult arena, “Heaven’s girl”, and why it's an accomplishment to stick around for the brighter tomorrows we never thought would come.Plus, a surprise visit from a new pet!Links to the "Heaven's Girl" publications here: https://www.xfamily.org/index.php/Heaven%27s_GirlSupport the showSupport The Show: https://paypal.me/bnbdon...2023-02-0737 min
Butterflies and Bravery...It Just WasSend us a textOur conversation with cult survivor Angela led us down several paths. Angela describes her experience in the Children of God as, "I didn't really have thoughts about did I or did I not believe, it just was." During our chat together we address things that many of us struggle with like body positivity issues, listening to our bodies and knowing when to stop, belonging, etc. Angela's story about finding a therapist, might be one of the most shocking you've ever heard....Support the show:https://paypal.me/butterfliesandbraver2023-01-2855 min
Butterflies and BraveryYour Square Gets BiggerSend us a textWelcome 2023! In our first episode of the year we share some stats from last year, talk about things we've learned and tell some stories too. We hope you enjoy this episode and we're glad you're here to live another day. Support the showSupport The Show: https://paypal.me/bnbdonations?country.x=US&locale.x=en_USVisit our WebsiteFollow us:InstagramFacebookTwitter2023-01-2133 min
Butterflies and BraveryChutes and Ladders, Cult VersionSend us a textWe had the privilege of being guests on another podcast, Critical and Thinking with Ty Barnett and Ian Harris. Join us as we chat more in depth about some of the topics covered, and a few other tangents. Butterflies and Bravery wishes you all a happy Thanksgiving week. This time of year can be difficult for many of us, so we hope you find a way to enjoy your time and create traditions that are meaningful to you and your loved ones. Whether it's your birth family or chosen family, we w...2022-11-2248 minButterflies and BraveryHumlity's Roar and The Ant HillSend us a textSometimes a whisper can be louder than a roar. Join us this week as we chat about what's been going on in our worlds. Jemima talks about a fall at work and what that might mean for her in the near future. Then Whisper tells us how she learned that humility can look very differently than we may think. We close this episode with Jemima's "The Ant Hill", inspired by Dr. Gabor Mate's latest book, The Myth Of Normal. Support the showSupport The Show: https://paypal.me/bnbdonations?c...2022-11-1336 min
Butterflies and BraveryWe Know Our ABCs - Kind OfSend us a textAttention Deficit Hacks, Building Back Better and Connections If it’s living with CPTSD or living with ADHD, we need our little life hacks. Whisper found an ADHD helpline…tweet. It’s a Twitter thread. In a shorter, light-hearted episode, we catch up with each other and talk about what’s coming up for the podcast and remind ourselves about the things that are important for us and for the podcast. Support the showSupport The Show: https://paypal.me/bnbdonations?country.x=US&locale...2022-10-2740 min
Butterflies and BraveryAre "All Things Lawful Unto Me"?Send us a textNote to cult leaders: Maybe read the whole Bible verse before starting a new belief system?Jemima and Whisper talk a little about everything (again) in this episode, including the correlation--that Whisper doesn't pronounce correctly (again)--between Human Trafficking, Domestic Violence and cult life. Parenting, The Scarlet Pimpernel, telling our stories and why our parents won’t apologize are just a few of the things talked about, all peppered with personal stories, candidness, and humor. If you need someone to talk to, schedule an appointment with us for our no...2022-10-1640 min
Speaking Up: Surviving Religions and CultsChildren of God - Jemima - S1E24Jemima grew up in “The Children of God” cult. Now she hosts a podcast with her friend Whisper. The podcast is called “Butterflies and Bravery.”Butterflies and Bravery is a podcast created and hosted by two cult Survivors and best friends who were born into the notorious Children of God cult. Listen as Whisper and Jemima tell their stories of turning surviving into thriving, interview other Survivors, and straight talk all things cult, trauma, and religion recovery. Our episodes are guest-led, so anything can happen! Our conversations are real, raw and often NSFW. They may be triggeri...2022-10-1053 min
Butterflies and BraveryOur Roots Are In Each OtherSend us a textLisa Kendall, founder of Counter Cult Coalition, joins us again to talk about the latest news with the federal statute of limitations being lifted on civil lawsuits relating to allegations of child sexual abuse and federal crimes harming children.Raising awareness about cults and the needs of those born into a cult is a mission we have in common. Being born into a cult means we don't have typical roots like most people.Instead, our roots are in each other. Support Counter Cult Coalition:CashApp: $CounterCult2022-10-0749 min
Butterflies and BraveryHow To Save a LifeSend us a textSUBJECT WARNING: UNALIVING YOURSELFWhen we sat down together to talk about upcoming plans and new projects, our conversation quickly shifted, because it was the struggles that so many of our ex-cult community have been facing that sat heavy on our minds. We had to talk about what could be done to help our community not feel so alone. We see the needs that are clearly arising in our group to be not just heard, but really listened to and most of all, understood. And we want to listen. We know...2022-09-2943 min
Butterflies and BraveryOn the Lighter SideSend us a textAfter last weeks very somber episode, we thought it would be nice to do something a little lighter this week. Whisper and Jemima share stories about THC and other gummies, some funny sex stories and a whole lot more. We hope you laugh your ass off like we did!Support the showSupport The Show: https://paypal.me/bnbdonations?country.x=US&locale.x=en_USVisit our WebsiteFollow us:InstagramFacebookTwitter2022-09-1546 min
Butterflies and BraveryThe Bravest ThingSend us a textSUBJECT WARNING-UNALIVING YOURSELFHaving been born prisoners of our parents war, an all too familiar tragedy we face in our communities is ongoing and constant suicides. Whisper and Jemima both share some of their personal experiences of having been to the darkest of places, the place where you want to cease to exist. We talk about some of the struggles loved ones face, how we can be more helpful to each other, and hope. Hope can keep you alive. Hope for brighter days ahead. “The bravest thi...2022-09-0854 minButterflies and BraveryLosing My ReligionSend us a textJanice Selbie was born into fundamentalist Pentecostal Christianity. She was steeped in the church from birth. Eventually her need for authenticity, outweighed her need for acceptance. Today, a trained therapist, she aids others in their escape from the clutches of fundamentalist religion. She also recently hosted a conference on religious trauma available to the public on her youtube channel, In October she is hosting the first ever Shameless Sexuality, Life After Purity Culture conference. You can also hire her for one on one counselling to help with your religious deconstruction. Janice S...2022-09-011h 00
Butterflies and BraveryThe Crocodile Closest to The BoatSend us a textBeth Matenaer went from adopted to "a troubled teen" sent off into the mountains of California. Attempting escape, Beth hiked 50 miles to civilization in the middle of the night. Hear the rest of her story as we interview Beth, now a trained trauma therapist working with cult survivors and drug and alcohol addiction. Along with Dr. Janja Lalich, a renowned cult expert, they have constructed classes for those leaving cults and high coercion situations. Take Back Your Life Recovery Courseswww.tbylr.comLantana Recoveryhttps://www.l...2022-08-251h 15
Butterflies and BraveryReparenting is Never LinearSend us a textGrowing up in a cult or a high control or coercive atmosphere can sometimes leave your inner child needing reparenting. What is reparenting anyhow? Tonight we talk about what that means for both of us, and remind ourselves that it can look different at all the stages of our journey, and how a little change in perspective can make huge differences along the way. We're giving ourselves another of our strange little pep talks, so grab your inner child and come play with us!Support the showSupport The S...2022-08-1143 min
Butterflies and BraveryWe Even Coordinated Outfits For This EpisodeSend us a textIn this episode, a t-shirt that read, "Life leads you down many paths, but my favorite one leads to the mountains" started off the conversation, and it did lead us down many paths. We start in Jamaica, plus hear updates from "Aunt Jemima's" life and some exciting possibilities coming her way. Other paths included understanding others, living with the devastating after effects of abuse and colonization, pronouns and parents. We also talk about the resilience and perseverance that it takes to rebuild your life, and how proud anyone who has done it should be. So...2022-08-0439 min
Butterflies and BraveryDon't Just Cope, Restructure!Send us a textWe’ve all faced times in our lives when we get shaken, but sometimes we find ourselves facing times where it feels like nothing’s letting up. And just like a soda bottle, that constant shaking is building pressure with each jolt. If we don’t let some of that out in a controlled escape, things start to go boom.Whisper gets vulnerable again this week,as she talks about some recent personal shakings and what went boom. We talk about the Born In A Cult classes that we are currently taking...2022-07-2838 min
Butterflies and BraveryShe's An Eagle When She FliesSend us a textHow do you fit a life like ours into a single chapter? Whisper makes a run at doing just that with her chapter in "Dare to Express", a collaboration book coming out in September. A handful of amazing women were invited to write a chapter about their lives, and Whisper was one of them. Jemima and Whisper read this beautifully woven story of a little girl clinging to a lifeline found in the back seat of a car she should have never had to be in. Support the showSu...2022-07-2150 min
Butterflies and BraveryRebuild and Thrive by Amanda Moon EllevisSend us a textAmanda Moon Ellevis is a survivor of trafficking and sexual exploitation. Her heart for the exploited stems from her unique vulnerabilities as a young musician in the San Francisco Bay Area, as well as her experience being homeless. Now she’s helping others through her newly released book, “Rebuild and Thrive” a guide to assist survivors of exploitation in their first steps toward physical, financial, and emotional independence. Join us as Amanda tells her amazing story of rescue, redemption, and reclamation. Book Signing for Rebuild and ThriveFriday...2022-07-1444 min
Butterflies and BraveryFrom Back to BackSend us a textThis week we have a short episode as Whisper and Jemima touch base to talk about their week and what’s been happening in their corner of the world. Whisper’s little fur baby is having some health issues, and Jemima and Whisper talk more about taking care of the pets they’ve loved and lost.Support the showSupport The Show: https://paypal.me/bnbdonations?country.x=US&locale.x=en_USVisit our WebsiteFollow us:InstagramFacebookTwitter2022-07-0723 min
Butterflies and BraveryCOG-TFI Survivors: The fight for justice in the aftermath of a destructive cultSend us a textIn our first ever two-guest episode we talk with two of the founders of the COG-TFI Survivors movement. Their mission is to spread awareness and bring justice to the survivors of the extremist cult, the Children of God. To expose their crimes, and appeal to authorities to take action against COG-TFI leaders and abusers. We have a chance to ask some tough questions and talk about what justice means to us.Join us for for this international interview, then visit, follow and like their social media. Please sign the...2022-06-301h 11
Butterflies and BraveryBuoys In the OceanSend us a textSometimes we all need a little reminder that we’ve got this. In this episode, Whisper and Jemima share some affirmations that can give us that reminder. And in their signature fashion, throw in a little bit of everything as they wander around things off topic, catch up on their week and spend time laughing at themselves. So if you need a little break from your day, this episode is for you.1. I am worthy. Worthy of being loved and cared for. Worthy of the good that comes to me. Worthy of...2022-06-2336 min
Butterflies and BraveryDancing With Joy and SorrowSend us a text"Grief does not change you. It reveals you.” -- John GreenGrief and loss are things that we all face at some point in our life. But when losses come one after another, we can end up in grief overload. Melissa found herself facing this, having lost her mother and two brothers in a short period of time. But where many might have crumbled, Melissa found the strength to not only hold the many facets of her grief, but to find her joy again as well. In this episode Melissa joins us...2022-06-161h 10
Butterflies and BraveryHeadlamps OnSend us a textThis episode, come join us as we welcome Pride month, and chat about random things, including the definition of PTSD, CPTSD and Moral Injury. Plus, we have some laughs as we discuss sexuality, jack hammers and carousels, caves, headlamps and rage rooms. We hope you’ll enjoy spending the evening with us! - Whisper & Jemimahttps://linktr.ee/bnbravepodcastSupport the showSupport The Show: https://paypal.me/bnbdonations?country.x=US&locale.x=en_USVisit our Websi...2022-06-0954 min
Butterflies and BraveryUnmasking Fundamentalist ChristianitySend us a textBorn into a fundamentalist Christian home, Tammie Willis knew coercion and control from a very young age. Kept busy with religious activities, school and church all day, she had little time for anything else. Leaving religion and deconstructing the trauma that she had experienced may have been easier if her life wasn't struck with tragedy in her teen years. Somehow she stumbled upon Dr. Janja Lalich's Take Back Your Life Courses, and now works with Dr. Lalich, Sally Martin and Beth Matenaer who are survivors and trauma informed therapists. Tammie wanted to help...2022-06-0258 min
Butterflies and BraverySpeaking Up with Andrew PledgerSend us a textAndrew Pledger was born in a fundamentalist Christian home. He was home schooled and fully immersed in religion from a very young age. When he began to question things in his teen years, he came to some conclusions that didn't quite line up with what he had been taught. He broke free from his religion and came out to the world as part of the LGBTQ+ community in a very dramatic and public way. Now Andrew is an activist, writer and podcaster helping to bring awareness about spiritual and religious abuse and trauma. H...2022-05-271h 04
Butterflies and BraveryPhoenix RisingSend us a textAshlee was only 16 when she met him. What appeared at first to be a fairytale romance, became a web of control growing over her life. The short-lived joy of a fancy car and new clothes came crashing down. Once things turned bloody, she knew she had to escape. Before it was too late. Ashlee's dramatic story became one of transformation and healing from12 years of chronic physical pain caused by emotional trauma. Ashlee found her life purpose and now coaches women who are stuck living in the fear and anxiety from...2022-05-191h 01
Butterflies and BraveryTwo Cult Babies Turn OneSend us a textWe are officially one year old! And what a year it's been! We have been honored with the presence of so many survivors, heard stories that made us laugh and cry, and we've shared them with the world. Whisper and Jemima talk about some of the things that have surprised them the most about being podcasters, as well as some of the reasons we do this. Support the showSupport The Show: https://paypal.me/bnbdonations?country.x=US&locale.x=en_USVisit our Website2022-05-1253 min
Butterflies and BraveryLet's Talk Cults with Deb Donner Part 2Send us a textIn the second half of our two-part interview with Deb Donner, we learn even more details about daily life for kids in The Wesleyan Community compound, and where it all is today. Plus we pick some daisies about growing up in cults, finding purpose, family relationships, and figuring out life outside the cult.Support the showSupport The Show: https://paypal.me/bnbdonations?country.x=US&locale.x=en_USVisit our WebsiteFollow us:InstagramFacebookTwitter2022-04-2850 min
Butterflies and BraveryLet's Talk Cults with Deb Donner Part 1Send us a textDeb Donner grew up in The Wesleyan Community, a cult-church led by Lou Hillendahl and spent much of that time living in tents without electricity or running water. That’s only part of her incredible story of survival.In this first half of a two-part interview, Deb speaks candidly & unapologetically with Jemima and Whisper of her life both in and after the cult, and her journey of healing and recovery. “I don't apologize for speaking the truth and telling the things that happened to me and making people uncomfortable becau...2022-04-2149 min
Butterflies and BraveryCounter Cult CoalitionSend us a textLisa Kendall was just 9 years old when her mother decided to join the “Move of God,” finally leaving at age 19. Today Lisa devotes her time to advocacy work for other child victims of cults and coercive organizations. Lisa has been active in the cult awareness community since 2012, providing support for custody cases, child protective service investigations, testifying before state legislatures, and speaking about the possibilities for public policy to better protect children in coercive groups. A Masters in Public Administration and extensive experience in business and nonprofit management are the cornerstones of her inno...2022-04-1446 min
Butterflies and BraveryLet's Talk Cult Recovery with Dr. Janja LalichSend us a textThis week we were honored to have the opportunity to sit down with world-renowned cult expert Dr. Janja Lalich to discuss cult recovery, healing trauma, and needed resources for cult survivors. Dr. Lalich talks about her ground-breaking cult recovery programs, explains “bonded choice," plus her thoughts on the second generation survivors of the infamous Children of God cult.www.janjalalich.comwww.tbylr.comSupport the showSupport The Show: https://paypal.me/bnbdonations?country.x=US&locale.x=en_USVisit our WebsiteFollo...2022-04-0656 minButterflies and BraveryLife Is Like A...BurgerSend us a textThis week Butterflies and Bravery is taking a short break off-air, and will be back next week with full episodes and extra special guests! (Hint: Have you heard of renowned cult expert Dr. Janja Lalich?) Of course, we wouldn't be us without a quick check-in, a little of our signature rambling, and an original Jemima-ism mental healthy snack. That's also about food. (Hunger may have been involved in the conception.) A somewhat cryptic sneak-peak of upcoming interviews we're pretty-damn-excited-about rounds up this short episode. So, come for the burgers and stay for the f...2022-03-3017 minButterflies and BraverySide Effects and Trading RecipesSend us a textIn another non-episode episode, your hosts Jemima and Whisper are celebratinganother podcast milestone of 7000downloads! Reflecting on the journeyso far, they talk about their mostmemorable episodes, "side effects"experienced and lessons along the way. Plus, listen in for sneak peak news onnew guest interviews in the coming weeks. Support the showSupport The Show: https://paypal.me/bnbdonations?country.x=US&locale.x=en_USVisit our WebsiteFollow us:InstagramFacebookTwitter2022-03-2431 minButterflies and BraveryMy Grandfather The Cult LeaderSend us a textWhat do you do when the founder of the cult you were born into is your paternal grandfather? Whatever you can to survive. In this unprecedented interview, for the first time David Berg speaks out about growing up in the cult that his namesake founded. David bravely tells us his touching story for the first time, and we got to ask the question: What was it like growing up as the grandson of the leader of the Children of God? Probably nothing you can imagine.Support the showSupport T...2022-03-1753 min