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Mighty As A MotherWhy Overachieving Is Exhausting You (And What to Do Instead)In a culture that still glorifies hustle and resilience, what happens when the very grit that built your success starts quietly depleting you? In this episode, Jenn sits down with Amanda Goetz—two-time founder, four-time CMO, mom of three, and author of Toxic Grit—for a conversation that feels like a deep exhale for ambitious women everywhere. Amanda has built brands, raised millions, navigated divorce, and reinvented herself more than once. And somewhere along the way, she realized that the same grit that fueled her rise was also quietly burning her out. Her book, Toxic Grit...
2026-02-1743 min
Mighty As A MotherThe Mental Health Realities of Motherhood What does burnout really look like for high-functioning women and mothers? In this powerful episode of Mighty as a Mother, we sit down with clinical psychologist and maternal mental health expert Dr. Lilit to unpack the emotional and physical toll of modern motherhood. Together, we explore why so many women feel exhausted, disconnected, and stretched too thin—and why those feelings often go unnamed and untreated. If you've ever asked yourself, Why am I so tired even after I sleep? Why do I feel like I'm falling apart even when things look fine?, this conversation is...
2026-02-0347 min
Mighty As A MotherWhy You Never Feel Like You Have Enough Time (And How to Change That)In a world that rewards busyness and glorifies the grind, it's no wonder so many of us feel chronically behind—on time, on rest, on joy. In this episode, we sit down with Cassie Holmes, chaired professor at UCLA's Anderson School of Management and bestselling author of Happier Hour, for a deeply grounding conversation about why time always feels scarce—and what actually helps. Cassie doesn't just study happiness and time poverty. She's lived it. As a working mom navigating the seasons from toddlers to teens, she brings both data and deep empathy to the ques...
2026-01-2045 min
Mighty As A MotherThe Career Moves That Matter Most After Becoming a MotherIn a world that tells moms we can "have it all," most of us are sitting there like… cool, can I also have five uninterrupted minutes and a hot cup of coffee? In this episode, we sit down with journalist-turned-health-tech insider Christina (Chrissy) Farr to talk about the career moves that actually matter after becoming a mother—because postpartum isn't just a physical recovery. It's a full identity recalibration. Chrissy has built a rare career at the intersection of storytelling, strategy, and healthcare innovation—and she's refreshingly blunt about what changed for her once kids entere...
2026-01-0640 min
Mighty As A MotherE65: Whole Person Coaching That Redefines You From the Inside Out with Dr. Natalie UnderdownWhat if your leadership didn't start with a strategy—but with your nervous system? This week, we're joined by Dr. Natalie Underdown, organizational psychologist, executive coach, and founder of The Nu Company, for a conversation that flips the script on what it means to lead, evolve, and truly care for ourselves in high-stakes seasons of life. Natalie brings a whole-person approach to executive coaching—one that fuses neuroscience, trauma healing, identity work, and performance psychology. After burning out in corporate and navigating a health crisis rooted in toxic mold exposure, she redefined her own path. Now...
2025-12-2345 min
Mighty As A MotherE64: The Female Friendship Crisis: How to Nurture Adult Connections That Last with Anna Goldfarb Today, we sit down with Anna Goldfarb—friendship journalist, author, and voice of wisdom on the quiet complexity of adult relationships. Together, we're unpacking why maintaining female friendships feels harder than ever, especially in motherhood, and what it actually takes to nurture the ones that matter most. Through honest stories and thoughtful research, Anna helps us reframe what healthy adult friendship looks like today. They talk about the grief of friendships that drift, the courage it takes to initiate hard conversations, and why effort (not just history) is what keeps connection alive. If you've ever fo...
2025-12-0948 min
Mighty As A MotherE63: Redefining Leadership, Ambition, and the Future of Work—with Industrious President Anna Squires-Levine In a world reshaping itself around how, where, and why we work, what does leadership actually look like—especially when you're also navigating motherhood? In this episode, we sit down with Anna Squires-Levine, President of Industrious (and mama of three), to explore that question and more. Anna joined Industrious nearly a decade ago when it was just a few co-working spaces—and helped scale it to 300+ locations across 10 countries. Now, she's guiding the company into a new era after its acquisition by CBRE, all while welcoming her third baby. Together, we talk candidly about: How...
2025-11-2536 min
Mighty As A MotherE62: Kristi Rible on Human‑Centered Leadership in the Age of AI: Why Mothers Are Rebuilding WorkIf you've ever wondered, "Why does work still feel like it wasn't built for women—or mothers?" — this one's for you. In today's episode, we're joined by Kristi Rible—global leadership expert, mom of two, and founder of The Huuman Group™—to talk about how AI is reshaping work, and why the future needs more than automation. It needs humanity. It needs mothers. Kristi brings her 25+ years of leadership across continents and industries to help us understand what's really changing in today's workplaces—and how empathy, flexibility, and curiosity are becoming non-negotiable leadership skills. She also teaches...
2025-11-1147 min
Mighty As A MotherEpisode 61: Reframing Menopause with Power & Possibility with Lauren TetenbaumIf you've ever wondered, "Why did no one tell me menopause could start in my 30s?" — this one's for you. In today's episode, we're joined by Lauren Tetenbaum—psychotherapist, mom of two, and author of Millennial Menopause—to talk about the season of life we all deserve to understand sooner: perimenopause and menopause. Lauren breaks down the science but more importantly, she reframes this stage as one of power, possibility, and presence. This isn't your mother's menopause conversation—it's real talk for modern women navigating aging, ambition, identity, and everything in between. You'll hear:
2025-10-2839 min
Mighty As A MotherE60: What Human Design Reveals About Motherhood, Work & Energy with Erin Claire JonesIf you've ever wondered, "Why does everyone else seem to have more energy than me?" — this one's for you. In today's episode, we're joined by Human Design expert Erin Claire Jones, who helps women better understand their energy, purpose, and patterns—so they can lead, parent, and live in alignment with who they actually are. We dive into Human Design as a practical tool for navigating motherhood, burnout, and ambition. Whether you're deep in your toddler era, leading a team at work, or somewhere in between, this conversation is a gentle reminder: there's nothing wrong with...
2025-09-3046 min
Mighty As A MotherE59: Why Change Feels So Hard (and Necessary): Jessie Harold on Matrescence and the Evolution of MotherhoodIf you've ever looked in the mirror and thought, "Who even am I anymore?" — this one's for you. In today's episode, we're joined by author, coach, doula, and researcher Jessie Harold, who's spent nearly two decades walking alongside women through one of the most profound identity shifts of their lives: becoming a mother. We dive deep into matrescence — the emotional, psychological, and spiritual transformation of motherhood — and why understanding it might just be the permission slip you've been waiting for. Whether you're still in the baby trenches or facing new transitions (hello, kindergarten drop-off or career...
2025-09-1138 min
Mighty As A MotherE58: Back-to-School Boundaries: How Moms Can Reclaim Time, Energy & Purpose with Jeanelle TevesThe lunchboxes are packed, the inbox is full, and the emotional load of another school year is setting in. If you're craving a reset—one that prioritizes your needs, too—this episode is for you. Re-airing one of our favorites from the vault: Jeanelle Teves, General Manager of Bugaboo and mom of two, joins us to talk about the intentional routines and unapologetic boundaries that help her lead a team, raise a family, and stay grounded in her values. This episode isn't about perfection—it's about practical mindset shifts that actually work in the chaos of mod...
2025-08-2647 min
Mighty As A MotherE57: Motherhood Isn't a Sprint: Anne Welsh on Slowing Down to Reclaim Yourself for the Long HaulEver feel like you're climbing a ladder you didn't choose—or running on a bedazzled hamster wheel you can't seem to step off? You're not alone, mama. In this episode, we sit down with Dr. Anne Welsh—clinical psychologist, executive coach, and mom of four—to talk about why modern motherhood demands a shift from the relentless "ladder" model of ambition to a more sustainable "web" model that honors the many directions life can take. Anne brings two decades of expertise helping leaders navigate major career and life transitions—think parental leave, return-to-work, and full-on career reinvention. She's al...
2025-08-1239 min
Mighty As A MotherE56: Redefining Your Power and Belonging at Work with Daisy Auger-DomínguezWhat does it mean to lead with heart while holding your power? To show up fully at work and at home without losing yourself along the way? In this illuminating conversation, we're joined by trailblazing people and culture strategist, author, and fellow mama Daisy Auger-Domínguez—whose career includes leadership roles at Google, Disney, and Viacom, and whose mission is to make work work better for everyone. Daisy shares powerful insights from her two game-changing books: Inclusion Revolution, a call for leaders to embed equity and belonging into the DNA of their organizations, and her newest release, Bur...
2025-07-2945 min
Mighty As A MotherE55: What Most Women Don't Know About Their Hormones - with OBGYN Dr. Stephanie DavisIn this must-listen episode of Mighty as a Mother, we're joined by California-based OBGYN Dr. Stephanie Davis—an integrative women's health expert, Columbia University graduate, fellow mama, and passionate advocate for sexual wellness and hormonal literacy. Dr. Davis offers a refreshing, holistic perspective on the female hormonal landscape, and breaks down what's really happening in our bodies from adolescence through menopause. From energy and libido to brain fog, weight changes, and mood swings—this conversation is your crash course in understanding what your hormones are trying to tell you, and how to advocate for the care you dese...
2025-07-1547 min
Mighty As A MotherE54: From Tech Exec to Wellness Founder: Barbara Mighdoll on Rewriting Ambition in MotherhoodIn this empowering episode of Mighty as a Mother, we're joined by Barbara Mighdoll—former tech marketing executive turned wellness founder, motherhood advocate, and host of the New Modern Mom podcast. Barbara shares how motherhood sparked a radical redefinition of success and led her to launch MNT Studio, San Francisco's first wellness social club designed to support working moms, entrepreneurs, and women craving connection, balance, and well-being. Barbara opens up about leaving behind the illusion of a "safe" corporate career, navigating burnout, and building a purpose-driven life and business. Whether you're a mom seeking better work-life balance, ex...
2025-07-0143 min
Mighty As A MotherE53: Big Feelings, Little Kids—Helping Children (and Parents) Regulate Emotions with Dr. Kahlila RobinsonToday, we sit down with Dr. Kahlila Robinson, a licensed clinical psychologist, parent coach, and co-author of The Self-Regulation Workbook for Children Ages 5 to 8: A Parent-Child Resource for Engaging in Healthy Coping Skills and Building. Known for her grounded, compassionate approach, Dr. Robinson brings over 20 years of experience helping families navigate the emotional rollercoaster of childhood—and parenthood. Kalila shares powerful and practical strategies for supporting our children's emotional development while keeping our own cool in the process. She reminds us that parenting isn't about perfection—it's about connection, co-regulation, and a whole lot of grace (plus mayb...
2025-06-1744 min
Mighty As A MotherE52: Screen Time and Online Safety: How to Raise Tech-Savvy Kids Without Losing Your Mind with Krystina O'Bryant of Parent ProTechToday, we're diving headfirst into one of the hottest parenting topics out there: kids and technology. Laura sits down with Krystina O'Bryant, Lead Curriculum Designer at Parent ProTech, a platform that empowers parents and educators to help kids navigate the digital world with confidence and safety. With a background in education and instructional technology, Krystina brings a refreshing, no-judgment lens to topics like screen time, digital boundaries, and what really goes down on YouTube Kids. Whether you're a no-tech household, a screen-on-the-go family, or somewhere in between, this episode is packed with practical advice, eye-opening stats, and r...
2025-06-0334 min
Mighty As A MotherE51: Systems, Sanity & Showing Up: How Moms Can Ditch the Overwhelm with Courtney Cecil of the Working Moms MovementIf you've ever felt like you're crushing it at work but falling apart at home—or vice versa—this episode is for you. In today's conversation, Laura sits down with Courtney Cecil, founder of the Working Moms Movement, Fortune 50 executive, coach, speaker, and mom of two, who's on a mission to make motherhood and ambition sustainable. Courtney shares her own breaking point as a mom working 80-hour weeks and how she turned that low into a leadership platform that's helping thousands of moms rewrite the rules of modern motherhood. From creating systems that bring more peace to your...
2025-05-2039 min
Mighty As A MotherE50: Ending Gun Violence Starts with Moms — A Conversation with March Fourth Founder Kitty Brandtner on Safer Schools and CommunitiesGun violence is now the leading cause of death for children and teens in the United States. Every day, 12 children are killed and 32 more are injured by firearms—a devastating truth that weighs heavily on parents across the country. In this powerful episode, we sit down with Kitty Brandtner, founder of March Fourth, a nonprofit on a mission to end gun violence through federal policy reform and grassroots advocacy. Kitty's journey began after surviving the Highland Park mass shooting on July 4, 2022—an experience that changed her life as a mother and ignited a movement. Now, she...
2025-05-0641 min
Mighty As A MotherE49: Normalize It: Talking About Miscarriage, Women's Health, and Healing Out Loud with Dr. Jessica Zucker PhDPlease note: This episode discusses miscarriage, grief, and trauma. Listen with care and pause if needed. In this profoundly honest and healing episode of Mighty as a Mother, Jenn sits down with Dr. Jessica Zucker—Los Angeles-based psychologist, author, and founder of the global #IHadAMiscarriage movement—to talk about miscarriage, grief, and the cultural silence that surrounds women's reproductive health. Together, we share raw personal stories and powerful insights on navigating loss, rebuilding after trauma, and breaking generational taboos around womanhood—from adolescence through menopause. This episode is a safe space for anyone who has experie...
2025-04-2239 min
Mighty As A MotherE48: The Yoga of Parenting: Real Talk on Freedom, Guilt & Motherhood with Sarah EzrinDo you feel like you've lost yourself in motherhood? Struggling to find even a moment to breathe, let alone reconnect with who you are outside of being 'mom'? This episode is your permission slip to exhale. In this powerful conversation, we're joined by Sarah Ezrin—world-renowned yoga educator, author of The Yoga of Parenting, and maternal mental health advocate. Sarah brings her signature warmth and wisdom to share how yoga and mindfulness can help mothers reclaim their energy, identity, and inner peace—without adding another task to their already full plates. In this episode, we dive...
2025-04-0845 min
Mighty As A MotherE47: The Humor of Motherhood: Tara Clark of Modern Mom Probs on Finding the Funny in ParentingIn this episode of Mighty as a Mother, we sit down with Tara Clark, the creator of Modern Mom Probs, a popular vibrant and humorous Instagram account that brings moms together through laughter. Tara's witty and down-to-earth perspective on modern motherhood has garnered a loyal following, with her work being featured in Buzzfeed, Today, Motherly, and beyond. Tara opens up about how she started her brand, balancing authenticity with family privacy, and how she deals with criticism and mom-shaming. She also shares advice for moms who want to turn their passions into careers, how to foster a...
2025-03-2537 min
Mighty As A MotherE46: Our Home, Our Pride: Cultivating a Thriving Family Environment with Lori Sugarman-LiIn this episode of Mighty as a Mother, we sit down with Lori Sugarman-Li, a passionate advocate for recognizing and valuing unpaid family labor. As a Communications Strategist turned full-time caregiver, Lori shares insights from her book, Our Home: The Love, Work, and Heart of Family, and introduces the concept of 'Family Flow'—a transformative framework for creating a harmonious, engaged, and well-balanced home. Tune in to discover: Lori's Journey from Career to Caregiving: How a decade of full-time caregiving reshaped her perspective on family dynamics and inspired her book. The Power of 'Family Flow': A st...
2025-03-1138 min
Mighty As A MotherE45: Breaking Free from Busy: Reclaim Your Time and Redefine Success with Israa NasirWe're joined by Israa Nasir, the author of Toxic Productivity: Reclaim Your Time and Emotional Energy in a World That Always Demands More, a thought-provoking book that explores the intense pressure many women—especially mothers—feel to constantly be "doing." Israa is a writer, advocate, and thought leader dedicated to helping people understand how the drive for nonstop productivity can harm our mental health and well-being. In this episode, Israa shares powerful insights into what toxic productivity is, how it uniquely affects women and mothers, and, most importantly, how we can break free from this cycle to prio...
2025-02-2545 min
Mighty As A MotherE44: Four Sigmatic's Approach to Health: A Conversation on Wellness and Vitality with Danielle Ryan DawsonIn this episode of Mighty as a Mother, we're diving into the world of functional mushrooms with Danielle, a Registered Herbalist and Instructor of Mycology at Four Sigmatic. As busy working moms, we know how important it is to take care of our bodies and minds so we can show up as our best selves—whether at home, at work, or in all the roles we juggle daily. Danielle shares how functional mushrooms can boost your energy, support your immune system, and enhance your overall wellness—helping you feel balanced and grounded through the demands of motherhood and beyond.
2025-02-1139 min
SIMPLE + INTENTIONAL, decluttering, intentional living, habits, decluttering tips, minimalism79// How Taking Care of Yourself Makes You a Better Mom with Jenn Cohen + Laura Demuth of Mighty as a MotherA mother's wellbeing is predictive of her child's overall health + wellbeing. So if you are struggling with self care, boundaries and finding yourself in motherhood tune in and listen to this week's guests Jenn Cohen and Laura Demuth of Mighty as a Mother.Through their podcast they interview a rich variety of guests with the goal of creating a safe space honoring the beautiful (and messy!) journey of raising children while pursuing your passion. And what they share so many nuggets of wisdom from their own experience plus their guests knowledge. Like a comforting hug reminding you t...
2025-02-0359 min
Mighty As A MotherE43: Why Modern Moms Need AI: Meghan Joyce on Duckbill's Game-Changing Solution for Busy ParentsIf you've ever wished for extra help with life's endless to-do lists in exchange for more time to focus on what truly matters, today's episode is for you. We've teamed up with the A Day in Her Life podcast to highlight the power of Duckbill—an AI-powered app designed to simplify life for moms and families. Duckbill combines cutting-edge artificial intelligence with human expertise to offer personalized support, making it easier for busy parents to manage daily tasks at an affordable price. With an impressive career spanning roles at Uber, Bain & Company, and the U.S. Department of...
2025-01-2842 min
Mighty As A MotherE42: From Chaos to Clarity: Embracing Simple Intentional Living with Sarah HorganE42: From Chaos to Clarity: Embracing Simple Intentional Living with Sarah Horgan We're thrilled to kick off the new year talking about de-cluttering, and living a more simple, intentional life. In this episode, we chat with Sarah Horgan, a working mom, cancer survivor, and expert on simplifying and decluttering. Sarah shares how her stage 4 cancer diagnosis in 2014 sparked a journey to simplicity, personal growth, and overcoming perfectionism. Join us as we discuss: Self-Worth: How we view ourselves as women has an impact on the "stuff" we have in our lives. Cancer...
2025-01-1449 min
Mighty As A MotherE41: 2024 Recap: Motherhood, Memorable Moments, and Defining Our Core ValuesWhat a year it has been! In this episode, we reflect on our experiences in 2024, discussing our proudest moments in motherhood, the importance of setting boundaries, and the lessons learned from challenges faced throughout the year. We place emphasis on the significance of being present, finding joy in small moments, and the need for a digital detox to improve mental clarity and well-being. Join us as we discuss: Self-reflection and embracing change drives personal growth Setting boundaries and managing digital health prevents burnout Being present enhances both parenting and relationships
2024-12-3043 min
Mighty As A MotherE40: Boundary Setting, Beating Burnout, and Reclaiming Yourself - Part 2 with Eve RodskyGet ready for the thrilling continuation of our conversation with the incredible Eve Rodsky – one of our all-time favorite authors and fierce female activists! In part 2 of this can't-miss episode series, we're diving even deeper into how we, as women, can reclaim our time, redefine domestic labor, and ignite real change in the way we share responsibilities at home. Eve's groundbreaking work on domestic equity is nothing short of transformative, and in this episode, she's bringing even more powerful insights into how we can fight back against the hidden, often invisible labor that burdens us. We're talking ab...
2024-12-1729 min
Modern Mom ProbsPrioritizing Mental Health in the Workplace with Jenn Cohen and Laura DemuthThis conversation delves into the critical importance of mental health in the workplace. Jenn Cohen and Laura Demuth, hosts of the popular Mighty As a Mother podcast, discuss the unique challenges faced by working mothers, the role of leadership in fostering supportive work environments, and the impact of generational differences and remote work on mental health.
They emphasize the need for employers to provide meaningful mental health resources and cultivate a culture that prioritizes employee well-being. Jenn and Laura explore the challenges faced by working mothers, including the unrealistic expectations of work-life balance and the need for...
2024-12-0341 min
Mighty As A MotherE39: Boundary Setting, Beating Burnout, and Reclaiming Yourself - Part 1 with Eve RodskyAn episode so packed, we had to split it into two! Join us as we sit down with one of our all-time favorite authors and female activists Eve Rodksy! Together we explore the complexities of domestic labor, gender equality, and the importance of self-care for mothers, while diving deep into how we can reclaim our time, advocate for more equitable sharing of household responsibilities, and pursue our passions outside of motherhood. Eve's work has been a game-changer for families looking to balance domestic duties and reclaim their personal lives and as a mother he...
2024-12-0331 min
Mighty As A MotherMighty as a Mother x A Day In Her Life: A Day In Her Life with Laura Demuth and Jenn Cohen - Corporate Moms and Co-Hosts of Mighty As A Mother Podcast We had the pleasure of sitting down over the summer with Ellie Rineck, on her show, A Day in Her Life podcast, for a close-up look at how we spend our time during the day. Ellie, a fellow working mom and entrepreneur, has built an incredible platform where she shares real-life stories, wisdom, and practical advice from women navigating the balancing act of career, motherhood, and self-care. In this episode, we dove into the realities of juggling it all—how to manage your time, prioritize what matters most, and still make space for yourself. We als...
2024-11-191h 02
Mighty As A MotherElection Re-Release: How To Have Grace-Filled Political Conversations with Sarah and Beth of Pantsuit PoliticsToday is a day filled with a spectrum of emotions—both heavy and hopeful. In light of this, we're re-releasing one of our most beloved episodes, where we explore the power of grace in political discussions. Join us as we engage with Sarah Stewart Holland and Beth Silvers, the insightful co-hosts of the acclaimed podcast Pantsuit Politics. How to Have Grace-Filled Political Conversations with Sarah and Beth of Pantsuit Politics As we approach what many consider one of the most pivotal elections of our time, we're excited to welcome Sarah and Beth, whose podcast has re...
2024-11-0542 min
Mighty As A MotherE38: Love, Loss and Reinvention with Katie Joy DukeTrigger Warning: This episode discusses sensitive topics, including the loss of a child and cancer diagnosis. In honor of Breast Cancer Awareness Month and Pregnancy and Infant Loss Awareness Month, we welcome Katie Joy Duke, a breast cancer survivor, public speaker, life coach and mother whose journey and perspectives will leave you feeling hopeful. In todays episode you'll be inspired by Katie shares her journey navigating the profound loss of her daughter, Poppy, who was stillborn in 2015. In the wake of this tragedy, Katie turned to writing as a means to process her grief, launching he...
2024-10-2240 min
Mighty As A MotherE37: Rage, Resilience, and Dispelling the Productivity Myth with Soraya ChemalyIf you've ever felt the desire to scream into a pillow, today's episode is the one you need to hear. Join us as we take a deep dive into one of the most misunderstood human emotions: rage. We're joined by Soraya Chemaly, mother, author, activist, and speaker known for her work in support of women's rights and gender equality. This episode is a must-listen for anyone who has ever felt their anger simmering beneath the surface and desperately wondered how to channel it effectively. Soraya's book, "Rage Becomes Her: The Power of Women's Anger", explores...
2024-10-0847 min
Mighty As A MotherE36: Breaking Up with Over-Functioning - Let's Stop Doing It All With Dr. Whitney Casares of Modern Mommy DocIn today's episode, we are joined by Dr. Whitney Casares, the physician and mother behind the popular Instagram account Modern Mommy Doc. A Stanford-trained pediatrician and maternal-child health expert, Dr. Whitney is also the author of *Doing It All: Stop Over-Functioning, and Become the Mom and Person You're Meant to Be*. Her insights and practical advice have resonated widely, earning her a spot in prestigious publications like The New York Times, Forbes, Fortune, and Parents Magazine. Tune in as Dr. Whitney shares her unique framework for managing the multifaceted demands of modern motherhood without losing sight of joy and...
2024-09-2446 min
Mighty As A MotherE35: How to Have Grace-Filled Political Conversations with Sarah and Beth of Pantsuit PoliticsAs we embark on arguably one of the highest-stakes elections this fall, we are thrilled to have Sarah Stewart Holland and Beth Silvers, the dynamic co-hosts of the acclaimed podcast Pantsuit Politics, joining us. Their podcast offers a refreshing approach to political discussions, focusing on grace-filled conversations and understanding rather than fueling divisive rhetoric. Since its launch in November 2015 amidst a highly charged political climate, Pantsuit Politics has carved out a unique space for nuanced and respectful dialogue. In addition to the podcast, Sarah and Beth co-authored the books I Think You're Wrong (But I'm Listening): A...
2024-09-1042 min
Mighty As A MotherE34: Everyone But Myself: A Raw Conversation on Motherhood, Mental Health, and Unapologetically Caring for Yourself with Julie ChavezAs we approach the back-to-school season, tune in for a candid conversation with Julie Chavez, author of the compelling memoir "Everyone But Myself". Julie shares her transformative journey from stay-at-home mom to school librarian, offering a raw look at the challenges of modern motherhood. She delves into her experiences balancing family life, mental health, and personal aspirations. This episode provides invaluable insights for mothers feeling overwhelmed or seeking to rediscover their identity beyond parenting. Join us for an inspiring discussion filled with practical advice and heartfelt encouragement, perfect for any mom navigating the complexities of family life while nurturing...
2024-08-2739 min
Mighty As A MotherE33: Inclusion for Mothers Matters More Than Ever with Mita MallickToday, we welcome Mita Mallick, a corporate change-maker and author, to discuss the critical role of diversity, equity, and inclusion (DEI) in transforming workplaces for women and mothers. As the Head of DEI at Carta and author of "Reimagine Inclusion: Debunking 13 Myths to Transform Your Workplace," Mita brings valuable insights to our conversation that we think will resonate for mothers of all kinds. Key Takeaways: 1. The significance of DEI for all individuals, especially women and mothers 2. Personal anecdotes driving Mita's passion for inclusivity 3. Strategies for creating thriving work environments for mothers
2024-08-1330 min
A Day In Her LifeEpisode 64: A Day In Her Life with Laura Demuth and Jenn Cohen - Corporate Moms and Co-Hosts of Mighty As A Mother PodcastTell us what you think!!!Tune in to This Week’s Episode of 'A Day in Her Life Podcast' with Jenn Cohen and Laura Demuth!Join us for an engaging conversation with Jenn Cohen, a strategic communications leader at Johnson & Johnson, and Laura Demuth, a nurse practitioner and medical team lead at Curology. Both are moms of two and co-host the podcast 'Mighty as a Mother,' where they discuss relatable motherhood topics. In this episode, Jen and Laura share their experiences balancing demanding careers and family life.What We Di...
2024-08-061h 03
Mighty As A MotherE32: The Advice Every Working Mother Needs to Hear Now with Sarah Olin of Lumo LeadershipIn this episode, we're joined by Sarah Olin, the Co-Founder and CEO of LUMO Leadership. With over 10,000 hours of coaching and facilitation experience, Sarah has advised top executives at renowned organizations such as the United Nations, Google, and the NBA (just to name a few!). Her passion for empowering individuals and organizations is palpable, focusing on fostering connection, advocacy, and personal growth. Sarah's insights are particularly invaluable for mothers navigating personal and professional growth amidst challenges. In this episode, you'll learn about: 1. The Difference Between Coaching and Therapy: Sarah walks us through coaching as...
2024-07-3042 min
Mighty As A MotherSummer Re-Release: Permission To Rest with Ashley NeeseAs we are all in the midst of the joy and chaos that is the summer season, we are bringing you a re-release of one of our favorite episodes that is so apropos right now: renowned author and breathwork specialist Ashley Neese is on the show to talk about something much needed for all mamas. REST! Over the last fifteen years, Ashley has had the privilege of helping thousands of people with crippling anxiety, exhaustion, boundary setting, emotional regulation, grief, anger, overwhelm, and chronic stress. Her revolutionary work has consistently been featured in prominent outlets such as Vo...
2024-07-1642 min
Mighty As A MotherE31: The Essential Skincare Tips You'll Wish You Had Sooner with Molly Tomich, PA-C of The Treatment Skin BoutiqueYou asked and we listened! Today we are joined by an expert on all things skincare, injectables, and facial aesthetics. Molly Tomich is a physician assistant specializing in cosmetic dermatology, and a new mom embarking upon her own journey back to work after maternity leave. We got candid with Molly on all of your (and our!) skincare concerns - from skin laxity to anti-aging routines, and pressed her to answer the most burning question for so many of us - is more expensive skincare really better?! Skincare and aesthetics play a crucial role in boosting confidence for b...
2024-07-021h 02
Mighty As A MotherE30: The Episode for Any Mom Who Has Experienced Anxiety, Burnout, or Self-Doubt with Dr. Carolyn RubensteinIf you've ever experienced anxious thoughts, feelings of burnout, or moments of self-doubt, you are not alone and this episode is the one for you. We know that more moms are feeling MORE anxious and burned out than ever, with more than two-thirds of mothers reporting feeling of burnout and overwhelm. So in this episode, we decided to enlist the help of a renowned expert to help us understand where to go from here. Today we are joined by a guest with expertise in maternal mental health - by the way of her Ivy League ed...
2024-06-1840 min
Mighty As A MotherE29:Navigating Fertility & Family Building A Conversation for World Infertility Awareness Month with Dr. Jennifer McLeland of Frame FertilityToday we are joined by mother of five and Medical Director, Dr. Jennifer McLeland of Frame Fertility to raise awareness and honor World Infertility Awareness Month this month. Dr. McLeland brings a wealth of expertise and an unmatched passion for women's healthcare and fertility and we know this conversation with help so many of you, regardless of where you are on your fertility and overall health journey. Join us as we discuss: Common infertility concepts, challenges and misconceptions. Dr. McLeland's personal journey and specialization in women's fertility. What women...
2024-06-0447 min
Mighty As A MotherE28: Helping You Stay Cool and Informed: Navigating Perimenopause and Menopause with Joanna Strober of Midi HealthToday's episode is heating up with the topic of hormonal shifts! Whether you're knee-deep in motherhood or just beginning, the menopausal and perimenopausal phases are closer than you think. Join us as we delve into this vital conversation with an esteemed guest — Midi Health Co-Founder and CEO Joanna Strober. As someone who has spent her career building businesses that unlock the potential of women and their families, Joanna has a visionary approach to transforming women's healthcare, particularly in addressing the challenges of menopause. It's no surprise she created the first and only virtual-care platform for women experiencing this significant li...
2024-05-2143 min
Mighty As A MotherE27: Holding Space for Moms in Maternal Mental Health Month and Beyond with Dr. Cassidy Freitas, Ph.DWe're honored to have Dr. Cassidy Freitas, LMFT, join us to discuss how critical conversations around maternal mental health must be discussed often and openly. Dr. Freitas is a licensed marriage and family therapist specializing in peripartum mental health. With a wealth of firsthand experience as a mother herself and expertise running her own group practice, Cassidy supports the treatment of emotional pain, trauma, grief and loss, while honoring the courage and vulnerability it takes to ask for help. She encourages us to look at our wounds, to embrace the messy parts of our lives, and understand the WHY...
2024-05-0742 min
Mighty As A MotherE26: Embracing Your Ambitions In and Out of Motherhood with Monique Volz of Ambitious KitchenWe are so excited for you to listen to today's episode with Monique Volz, a corporate marketer turned blogger and cookbook author. Monique's goal is simply this: to inspire us all, both in and out of the kitchen - and she does that and then some. Together we discuss how to confidently leave behind a "dream job" in order to ruthlessly pursue your dreams and Monique shares what began as a personal journey to share her favorite recipes while processing the loss of her father has blossomed into a multifaceted brand known for its innovative dishes, vibrant p...
2024-04-2337 min
Mighty As A MotherE25: Exploring the Stress of Modern American Motherhood and What We Can Do About It with Dr. Molly DickensIt's Stress Awareness Month and we dive head first into the complexities of maternal stress with fellow mom and PhD, Molly Dickens. As a scientist, writer, advocate, and founder, Molly has the fascinating insights to share around the physiological and psychological impacts of chronic stress on mothers, along with personal lessons learned throughout her career journey from academia to maternal health advocacy, and her latest initiative, The Maternal Stress Project. In this episode you will learn: What is "The Maternal Stress Project"? - Molly maps the stressors related to modern American motherhood in a way...
2024-04-0943 min
Mighty As A MotherE24: Paid Family Leave and Other Changes and Imperatives Working Parents and Caregivers Need to Know About with Lauren Smith BrodyIn today's critically important episode, we're talking all things gender equity and working parenthood with Lauren Smith Brody. Fellow mom, gender equity advocate, and former Executive Editor at Glamour Magazine sits down with us to discuss the crisis facing working parents and caregivers today - and what's needed to advance women's leadership and overall economic growth. Lauren shares her own experiences as a working mother and interviews with other women to offer practical tips, anecdotes, and guidance on navigating the professional and personal aspects of life after childbirth. Lauren's work has been featured in...
2024-03-2641 min
Mighty As A MotherE24: Paid Family Leave and Other Changes and Imperatives Working Parents and Caregivers Need to Know About with Lauren Smith BrodyIn today’s critically important episode, we’re talking all things gender equity and working parenthood with Lauren Smith Brody. Fellow mom, gender equity advocate, and former Executive Editor at Glamour Magazine sits down with us to discuss the crisis facing working parents and caregivers today - and what’s needed to advance women’s leadership and overall economic growth. Lauren shares her own experiences as a working mother and interviews with other women to offer practical tips, anecdotes, and guidance on navigating the professional and personal aspects of life after childbirth. Lauren’s work has been fea...
2024-03-2641 min
Mighty As A MotherBonus Episode: Breaking Barriers and Shattering Glass Ceilings: What Happens When Women Lead with CNBC's Julia Boorstin Today's episode with none other than CNBC's Julia Boorstin is such a treat. As a mom to two boys and esteemed journalist and reporter, Julia shares her experiences and perspectives on reframing what leadership is for women. She has interviewed some of the most notorious and influential men (and women) in business over the last few decades but only once becoming a mom did Julia ditch her fears of what others thought. In this episode, be prepared to take away: ♥️ How women are breaking barriers and shattering glass ceilings, paving the way for future...
2024-03-1248 min
Mighty As A MotherE23: Getting Real About Entrepreneurship and Self-Growth in Motherhood with Rachel MansfieldIn today's episode we sat down with the multi-faceted, multi-talented Rachel Mansfield! As the co-founder of grt sht ventures, food entrepreneur, cookbook author and podcast host, Rachel has merged her love of food, business and family. She is known for her engaged cult following, easy recipes that taste delicious, lifestyle tips and tricks, and raising her three adorable boys in New Jersey. In this episode, we chat with Rachel about: ♥️ How getting fired from an uninspiring corporate career catapulted her into successful entrepreneurship ♥️ Rachel's personal journey with infertility and why she's always chosen authentic...
2024-03-0537 min
Mighty As A MotherE22: Love, Work, and Happiness in Motherhood with Yael Schonbrun, PhDIn honor of American Heart Month, we're tackling a special topic today: Happiness. When we think of juggling motherhood alongside any passions or responsibilities outside of our kids, guilt and overwhelm often kick in - but does it have to? To better understand this phenomenon, we sat down with esteemed Brown University Assistant Professor and Licensed Clinical Psychologist Yael Schonburn to discuss her work around the science of happiness and how our careers and motherhood can actually compliment one another. Yael also writes about parenting, work, and relationships, drawing on scientific research, clinical experience, and real life e...
2024-02-2036 min
Mighty As A MotherE21: Female Health, Hormones, and Living Well with Dr. Tasha Kalra, OBGYNWe're kicking off American Heart Month with our first MD and OBGYN, Dr. Tasha Kalra! By the end of this episode you'll feel inspired and ready to make some small tweaks to your daily habits in order to live a healthier life. Tasha is a busy mama to two toddlers and just 'gets it' - there's not enough time, not enough energy, and sometimes not enough resources to prioritize your own health. But she serves up some helpful and realistic tips and tricks to ensure you're identifying and implementing super simple ways to live well and nurture yourself as...
2024-02-0643 min
Mighty As A MotherE20: Is America Failing Mothers? An Honest Conversation with Jess GroseIf you've ever been forced to return to work so soon after welcoming a child, or taken unpaid maternity leave, or wondered how you'd juggle your career and caring for a human, we see you. Frankly, American societal infrastructure is stacked against mothers and caregivers, which is why we sat down with esteemed author, columnist, and fellow mom Jess Grose to discuss why it feels so hard to be a mother in America. Jess is an opinion writer at The New York Times who often writes about women, parenting, and culture. She was named a Glamour Game C...
2024-01-2345 min
Mighty As A MotherE19: Emotional and Mental Wellness in Motherhood with Megan and Lauren of the MatrescenceBecoming a mother is such a fundamental shift in our identity, and one of the most significant physical and psychological changes a woman will ever experience. On today's show, we have Lauren and Megan — the founders of The Matrescence. The Matrescence was born out of a desire to help other women navigate their personal experiences with motherhood while providing a community to support, uplift, and empower one another. They have a desire to sift through the overwhelming opinions of today's digital world and curate an intimate and personalized experience for each woman who comes to this space wit...
2024-01-1644 min
Mighty As A MotherE18: The Power of Boundaries, Mindset, and Routines in Motherhood with Jeanelle TevesIf you're finding yourself in need of productivity hacks, actionable suggestions for self-care, habit stacking, and mindset shifts as we kick off the new year, we have the episode for you! Jeanelle Teves, General Manager of Bugaboo and mama to two, shares her journey and helpful tidbits on how she intentionally (and unapologetically) creates boundaries and sets herself and her busy family up for success. Together, we will chat about how we can reconnect with ourselves in the New Year to create space for the things that matter most — ourselves, our families, our passions outside of motherhood, and...
2024-01-0247 min
Mighty As A MotherE17: Reflections On Our First Season At Mighty As A MotherAnd just like that, our first year is coming to a close! We've sat down with some incredibly respected thought leaders, met many mamas IRL, and laughed and cried along the way. As two executives juggling the demands of motherhood while building our careers, we know the plight all too well and couldn't be more proud of this community we're building alongside you - a community in which all mamas feel seen and heard. We're grateful for all the support and blown away by the traction Mighty as a Mother has achieved in the first si...
2023-12-1930 min
Mighty As A MotherE16: Marriage and Motherhood with Dr. Molly MillwoodMarriage is a living thing. Early on in our relationships, we shower our partners with love and attention (obviously, we want them to want to marry us!) Yet once kids enter the scene, it's not uncommon for partners to begin living parallel lives, with passion and deep connection unintentionally falling by the wayside (hello sleepless nights, toddler tantrums, and packed schedules!). In today's episode, we sat down for part two of our compelling conversation with expert Dr. Molly Millwood to unpack just how everyone - parents included - long for a sense of attachment. When we...
2023-12-0548 min
Mighty As A MotherE15: A Candid Conversation About Body Image in MotherhoodIf you have ever looked in the mirror and felt disappointed with what you see, you're not alone. In this episode, we get vulnerable (as per usual!) talking about our own body image challenges from young childhood through those difficult teenage years and beyond. Jenn shares her struggles overcoming an eating disorder and obsessive exercising and sheds light on how she got to the place she is now, where food is considered fuel and exercise is seen as a privilege. Join us for today's episode where we discuss: Why we should all consider seeing ourselves the way in which our...
2023-11-2133 min
Mighty As A MotherE14: Permission to Rest with Ashley NeeseWe are thrilled to have Ashley Neese on the show to talk about something much needed for all mamas. REST! Over the last fifteen years, Ashley has helped thousands of people with crippling anxiety, exhaustion, boundary setting, emotional regulation, grief, anger, overwhelm, and chronic stress. In this episode, you will learn: How to soothe your nervous system Manage feelings of anxiety and overwhelm What are grounding practices and can you easily weave them into micro moments throughout your day Reconnect to yourself by quieting your mind and body Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/ashley_neese/ Her substack: https://thedeepercall.substack.com/ ...
2023-11-0742 min
Mighty As A MotherE13: Motherhood, Marriage, and the Modern Dilemma with Dr. Molly Millwood (Part I)In the wake of motherhood, women are facing a new, modern dilemma. Becoming a mother affects so much of who we are - psychologically, emotionally, physically, and professionally. By listening to today's show, be prepared to understand how our well-being as new mothers and the well-being of our relationships impact our identities. In today's episode, we are joined by the esteemed Dr. Molly Millwood - a mother to two boys and a clinical psychologist and licensed psychotherapist with an advanced specialization in women's mental health, intimate relationships, and marital therapy. She's also the author of one of o...
2023-10-2448 min
Mighty As A MotherBonus Episode: Your Loss Matters: In Honor of Pregnancy & Infant Loss Awareness MonthToday we bring you our first ever bonus episode - Honoring Pregnancy and Infant Loss Awareness Month. In maybe our most raw conversation yet, we unpack the prevalence of pregnancy and infant loss and the lack of adequate support in the modern medical community and Jenn shares her own personal story with pregnancy loss, pregnancy after loss, and how to support those who are grieving, and those supporting a loved one through loss. As always, we send love, light, and support to all mothers and families affected by pregnancy and infant loss. Links:...
2023-10-1534 min
Mighty As A MotherE12: Loving Your Kids Without Losing Yourself with Dr. Morgan CutlipWe had so much fun sitting down with Dr. Morgan Cutlip to talk all things maternal mental health. A highly sought-after relationship expert with a PhD in psychology, Dr. Morgan knows firsthand what it feels like to lose yourself in motherhood and she's determined to help the next generation of mothers. Through her work, she has helped hundreds of thousands of people learn how to form and maintain healthy relationships and has been featured on Good Morning America, Teen Vogue, The New York Times, Women's Health Magazine, and more. Her new book, Love Your Kids Without Losing Yourself, is available...
2023-10-1045 min
Mighty As A MotherE11: Beyond Birth: Unpacking Maternal Mental Health with Gayane Aramyan, LMFTContinuing on our Maternal Mental Health Series, we are honored to speak with Gayane Aramyan, LMFT. Gayane is a mother and licensed marriage and family therapist practicing out of Sherman Oaks, California (she also treats patients virtually!) and has been featured in Huffington Post and The LA Times. We sat down for a candid conversation about adequately preparing for postpartum (it's more than registering for the DockATot!), practicing self-compassion as a mother, identifying and understanding postpartum depression and anxiety, and how to know when you should talk to someone about your mental health. Our goal is to create a safe s...
2023-09-2636 min
Mighty As A MotherE10: Understanding Maternal Mental Health with Jessica Hines, M.A., M.F.T.Our first episode of our new Maternal Mental Health series is for you if you've ever felt like OMG why did NO ONE tell me how hard this was going to be. We sit down with fellow mom and licensed Marriage and Family Therapist Jessie Hines to discuss everything from why the "6 week postpartum check-up" is simply not enough, how prevalent anxiety and depression are inside motherhood, and ways in which we can prioritize our own mental well-being before caring for others (kids included!). This has been by far our most requested topic and we are so happy to...
2023-09-1239 min
Mighty As A MotherE9: Raising Resilient Children with Talia KovacsIn today's episode, Jenn sat down with Talia Kovacs - a child development expert who helps children tap into their inherent resiliency. Talia has worked with kids as a classroom teacher, literacy specialist, and as a children's resilience coach and has been focused on Forbes, The Today Show, Newsweek, and more. She joined our show to discuss: - How children are competent, capable people - Why we as parents should observe our children to find their competence and skills - Why giving children space can lessen their anxieties and allow them to simply explore themselves - The importance of...
2023-08-2831 min
Mighty As A MotherE8: Pursuing Your Passions While Raising Children, with Nicole Keshishian Modic of Kalejunkie!Employment lawyer turned social media influencer, recipe developer, and content creator Nicole Modic sat down with us for an eye-opening and candid conversation on how she prioritizes pursuing her passions (spoiler alert - she has a lot of them!) while raising her two loving boys. In this episode, we chat with Nicole about: ♥️ How she identifies - and fills - her "buckets" outside of motherhood ♥️ Her self-care non-negotiables, including a lovely, grounding morning routine ♥️ How to help our kids understand nutrition and what feels good in their bodies ♥️ Why she believes we need...
2023-08-1539 min
Mighty As A MotherE7: Corporate Rehab: How to Ditch The Hustle Culture and Thrive Again with Jennie BlumenthalWe are so excited to be chatting today with Jennie Blumenthal. After spending 20 years in Corporate America helping Fortune 500 companies manage multi-million dollar growth strategies, Jennie left her partnership in a global consulting firm to launch her own leadership company. In addition to her role as CEO, she also serves as a professional speaker, an Adjunct Professor, Board member, and the bestselling author of Corporate Rehab: Ditch the Hustle Culture and Thrive Again. In this episode, Jennie guides us through: Ditching the hustle culture while still achieving whatever it is that you want for yourself
2023-08-0138 min
Courage Becomes HerLong-Distance Friendships and Making Friends After Relocating with Hosts of Mighty as a Mother Podcast – Jenn Cohen and Laura DemuthJenn Cohen and Laura Demuth are the hosts of Mighty as a Mother podcast. Both Jenn and Laura are former New Yorkers who live in Southern California. They are both millennial moms of toddlers as well as busy corporate executives in healthcare technology companies. They started their podcast with the goal of helping moms, especially moms who work outside the home, to not feel alone. In this episode of Courage Becomes Her, Jenn and Laura talk about long-distance friendships and making new friends after relocating across the country. They share their insights for how they have kept...
2023-08-0144 min
Mighty As A MotherE6: Modern Marriage: How Our Individual Love Stories Help Shape The Women We BecomeThis episode on modern marriage is one all women need to hear. Join us as we unpack: The "modern dilemma" of motherhood and marriage and why it might just be harder now than it has ever been Our own love stories and how our marriages came to be The inevitable challenges that our intimate partnerships face once a baby arrives How parenting can widen the gender gap, challenging relationships where someone has previously strived for equality in their relationships The ways in which new motherhood impacts us - psychologically, emotionally, physically, and professionally Together we explore the ways in which...
2023-07-1837 min
Mighty As A MotherE5: Effective Leadership: How to Be the Leader You Always Hoped to HaveIn this episode, we explore the concept of leadership and give helpful insights for mamas who aspire to become inspirational leaders - whether that's leading hundreds of team members, the PTA, or your own family! We discuss the qualities that define successful leadership and reflect on our own leadership experiences and what we've learned over the years. We share practical strategies for nurturing your inherent leadership skills, including effective communication, building trust, fostering collaboration, and creating positive environments. We also address the unique challenges faced by working moms in leadership roles and candidly discuss how to...
2023-07-0532 min
Mighty As A MotherE4: Where the Hell is Our Village?! Why Having Support Is Critical To Our Family and Our SanityMama - do you ever feel like you are living in your own motherhood without the proper support around you? If so, you are most definitely not alone. It's 2023, and the concept of a "village" for families in the U.S. is not what it used to be in prior decades (or centuries!). Join us as we dive into the critical importance of having physical, mental, and emotional support in our lives as busy women (and moms!). We'll uncover why having a village is an absolute game-changer for not only our families but our sanity. We'll also share with...
2023-06-2026 min
Mighty As A MotherE3: Finding and Maintaining Meaningful Friendships During This Busy SeasonWe're firm believers that life is better with the love and support of your friends! Join us as we discuss the importance of female friendships in this busy season of life, and how we prioritize investing in the women and relationships that enrich our souls on a daily basis. Spoiler alert: having meaningful friendships is crucial to our health and the research proves this to be true. Whether you're an introvert who prefers to stay home or an extrovert who prefers to always be on the go, we'll share strategies and new research for how you can incorporate meaningful...
2023-06-0633 min
Mighty As A MotherE2: Calling BS on "Balance" — Let's Strive For Integration InsteadEver feel like you're struggling to achieve balance in working motherhood? If so, you're not alone — and it's because it doesn't exist! Join us for a raw conversation around the integration of work, motherhood, and self as we share our own sentiments and experiences as working parents who also suffer from the guilt that afflicts many women so deeply. We're firm believers that you can have it all — just perhaps not all at once and not on your own. We'll share strategies that have proved helpful in our own journeys and mottos that we're choosing to live by in this...
2023-06-0637 min
Mighty As A MotherE1: A Clinician and A Marketer Walk Into a Wine Bar... How Mighty as a Mother Came To Be!Once upon a time, a clinician and a marketer walked into a wine bar… and the rest is history! Welcome to our very first episode — we're so excited you're here! Join us as we introduce ourselves for what we hope to be a long-lasting and meaningful relationship with you - our listeners - as we discuss all things motherhood, marriage, career, friendships, and more. We want to make it easier to talk about hard things and invite you to join us in leaning into vulnerability to ensure no mama feels they're going at this alone! In this community, authenticity and...
2023-06-0629 min
Mighty As A MotherWelcome to Mighty As A Mother!Join us two girlfriends and working moms as we chat our way through the integration of motherhood, career, and life. We know that juggling a career and motherhood can be equally rewarding and exhausting, so we've created this podcast as a community where we can discuss the things that matter most - our kids, marriage, friendships, passion projects, and careers. We're certain that we don't know it all, but we want to have hard conversations - because there is NO single right way to do things and quite frankly, motherhood is a team sport. Together, we'll navigate the challenges...
2023-05-1202 min