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That Black Couple PodcastThat Black Couple PodcastS8E6 - The Roots of Toxic Masculinity in Black CommunitiesIn this episode of “That Black Couple,” Jenn and Daren delve into the complexities of toxic masculinity within Black communities. They discuss the impact of patriarchy on Black men, including the emotional struggles they face in unpacking societal expectations and behaviors. Further, they highlight the crucial role women play in challenging these toxic behaviors. Through personal reflections and references to influential thinkers like bell hooks, they emphasize the importance of community accountability and emotional expression in fostering healthier relationships and promoting change. Reference Material * The Will to Change - bell hooks: https://amzn.to/4lXgiat * Sister Outsider - Audre Lorde: http...2025-07-1351 minThat Black Couple PodcastThat Black Couple PodcastS8E5 - Parenting While Black and PolyamorousIn this episode of That Black Couple, Jenn and Daren discuss the complexities of parenting while being polyamorous, addressing common misconceptions and societal concerns. They explore the benefits of polyamorous households for children, emphasizing open communication, community support, and the importance of diverse experiences. The conversation highlights the need for honesty and authenticity in parenting, ultimately showcasing how polyamory can contribute to raising well-adjusted, happy children. Reference Material * What About the Children?! Children in Polyamorous Families: Stigma, Myths, and Realities - https://www.whatdidshesay.ca/2019/03/25/what-about-the-children-children-in-polyamorous-families-stigma-myths-and-realities/ * “It’s someone who means a lot to me, and who means even more to m...2025-06-2342 minThat Black Couple PodcastThat Black Couple PodcastS8E4 - Celebrating 19 Years of MarriageIn this anniversary episode of That Black Couple, Jenn and Darren celebrate 19 years of marriage and 22 years of being together. They dive into the dynamics of their non-traditional relationship, discussing their unique identities as a monogamous person and a polyamorous person. The couple shares insights on communication, the importance of understanding one's own needs, and how to navigate love and relationships outside of societal norms. Join them as they reflect on their journey and provide valuable tips for anyone interested in exploring polyamory.2025-05-2645 minThat Black Couple PodcastThat Black Couple PodcastS8E3 - “The Black Legacy Model”In this episode of That Black Couple Podcast, Jenn and Daren dive into the thought-provoking concept of the Black Legacy Model, inspired by a viral TikTok series. They explore the four pillars that define this model: income, labor, community and family investment, and career flexibility. The couple reflects on how these ideas resonate with their own 19-year journey of partnership, emphasizing the importance of mutual respect and teamwork in relationships. As they unpack each pillar, Jenn and Daren discuss the challenges faced by Black couples in a society that often imposes traditional norms that don't serve them. They candidly share...2025-05-1226 minThat Black Couple PodcastThat Black Couple PodcastS8E2 - Our Journey from Cali to the East CoastIn the second part of the season 8 opener, Jenn and Daren dive deep into the complexities of their relationship journey, revealing the pivotal moments that shaped their love story. They reflect on the early days of their romance, starting from their college years. The conversation takes a candid turn as they discuss the challenges they faced from family disapproval, particularly from Daren's father, who went to great lengths to deter their union. The couple reflects on their scrappy beginnings in Chicago, where they learned to rely on each other and build a future despite the odds. As they recount their...2025-05-1122 minThat Black Couple PodcastThat Black Couple PodcastS8E1 - Reintroducing That Black CoupleIn this 2-part episode, Jenn and Daren kick off Season 8 of That Black Couple Podcast with their first-ever video episode, allowing listeners to finally see their dynamic personalities in action. Join them for a heartfelt and humorous exploration of love, friendship, and the origins of That Black Couple. They reflect on their journey together, starting from their fateful meeting in the chicken line at the University of Southern California in 2002. They share the story of how they became best friends, navigating the challenges of college life while forming a deep bond. From trust falls to late-night video game sessions, they...2025-04-2522 minThat Black Couple PodcastThat Black Couple PodcastS7E10 - Year In Review: Doing Things Differently in 2025In this episode, Jenn and Daren celebrate the milestone of reaching 2025 with an untraditional year-in-review format, reflecting on the tumultuous events of 2024. They kick things off by sharing their personal and podcasting achievements, including Jenn's book launches and their feature in The Huffington Post. In The Conversation, they delve into the podcast's performance over the past year, highlighting the most listened-to episodes that resonated with their audience, such as discussions on Black lesbian visibility and the complexities of polyamory. They emphasize the importance of choosing oneself in a challenging world and how their experiences and insights can empower listeners. In...2025-01-3126 minThat Black Couple PodcastThat Black Couple PodcastS7E9 - Fake Holidays: Truth Telling vs. Myth MakingIn this episode, Jenn and Daren tackle the myths and realities of holiday traditions, questioning the authenticity and significance of these celebrations. As they reflect on the end of 2024, they discuss the societal pressures surrounding holidays and the myths that shape our understanding of them. In The Conversation, they delve into the notion of identity-making and the role holidays play in it. They challenge the conventional narratives around holidays like Christmas and Thanksgiving, emphasizing the importance of authenticity over societal expectations. Through personal anecdotes, they highlight how their family has redefined holiday celebrations to align with their values, focusing on...2024-12-3041 minThat Black Couple PodcastThat Black Couple PodcastS7E8 - The South: Salt Grits vs. Sugar GritsIn this episode, Jenn and Daren dive into the heart of Blackness in the American South, exploring its cultural richness, historical complexities, and the unique qualities that make it a cornerstone of Black identity in the U.S. They begin by sharing their personal experiences and revelations about the South, particularly through the lens of climate change and its impact on Southern communities. Jenn recounts her recent travels and the profound connection she felt to the land and its people, while Daren reflects on the resilience of the South in the face of historical and present-day challenges. In The Conversation...2024-12-2636 minThat Black Couple PodcastThat Black Couple PodcastS7E7 - Earth Is Ghetto, I Wanna LeaveIn this episode, inspired by Aliah Sheffield's song "Earth is Ghetto," Jenn and Daren dive into the chaotic reality of today's world, including the resurgence of COVID-19 and the unsettling political landscape post-election. They begin by candidly discuss their recent experiences with COVID-19 and the importance of remaining vigilant as the pandemic persists. Jenn shares her meticulous efforts to avoid the virus during her book tour, highlighting the stark contrast between her precautions and the general public's lax attitude. They emphasize the need for continued awareness and protection, as hospitals remain strained and the virus continues to pose a threat. ...2024-11-2941 minThat Black Couple PodcastThat Black Couple PodcastS7E6 - Black Women Told Y’all: The Election ResultsIn this episode, Jenn and Daren return after a brief hiatus due to a bout with COVID-19 to discuss the aftermath of the recent election results. This episode dives deep into the implications of the election, focusing on the role of Black women and the voting patterns that led to the unexpected outcome. In The Conversation, they analyze the election results, highlighting the phenomenon of split-ticket voting, where voters supported Democratic issues like abortion rights but still voted for Trump. Jenn and Daren also explore the concept of the "glass cliff," where women, particularly Black women, are set up to...2024-11-1335 minThat Black Couple PodcastThat Black Couple PodcastS7E5 - Ancestor AppreciationIn this episode, Jenn and Daren dive into the rich and often overlooked topic of ancestor appreciation. Throughout the episode, Jenn and Daren emphasize the importance of acknowledging and honoring one's ancestors. They share personal anecdotes and practices, such as setting up altars and engaging in rituals that connect them to their ancestral roots. They argue that these practices are not only meaningful but also essential for a holistic understanding of self and community. The episode begins with Jenn sharing their experiences with organized religion, highlighting the transition from a strict Christian upbringing to a more nuanced understanding of spirituality...2024-09-3036 minThat Black Couple PodcastThat Black Couple PodcastS7E4 - Food is MedicineIn this episode, Jenn and Daren dive into the critical issue of food insecurity and the concept of food as medicine. The episode opens with Jenn and Daren sharing their personal relationships with food, shaped by their diverse upbringings. Jenn discusses their upbringing in a food desert and the impact of generational food insecurity on their family. Daren, on the other hand, talks about his childhood in Southern California, where despite having access to food, his choices were often influenced by convenience and taste rather than nutrition. In the Conversation, they delve into the definitions and implications of food deserts...2024-09-2835 minThat Black Couple PodcastThat Black Couple PodcastS7E3 - Rundown: Kamala, COVID, and Caucasian CoonsIn this episode, Jenn and Daren bring the heat with a rundown of recent events and topics they've missed while Jenn was away celebrating their 40th birthday. The episode kicks off with a discussion on COVID-19, highlighting the resurgence of cases and the importance of continuing to take precautions. Jenn shares her observations from her travels, noting the disappointing lack of mask usage and the general complacency around the virus. Daren emphasizes the need for updated vaccinations and the importance of maintaining safety measures as we head into flu season. In the next segment, they dive into the political landscape...2024-09-2552 minThat Black Couple PodcastThat Black Couple PodcastS7E2 - Experts Over Influencers and Content CreatorsIn this episode, Jenn and Daren tackle the contentious topic of "Experts Over Influencers and Content Creators." With a mix of humor and candidness, they explore the distinctions between true expertise and the rise of social media personalities. The episode opens with Jenn and Daren discussing the importance of understanding the difference between experts, content creators, and influencers, especially with the Presidential election on the horizon. They highlight the necessity of rigorous training and peer review in establishing true expertise. Jenn and Daren stress the importance of community, training, and practice in developing genuine knowledge, which can't be replaced by...2024-08-1255 minThat Black Couple PodcastThat Black Couple PodcastS7E1 - Building Boundaries vs. WallsIn this episode, Jenn and Daren launch the seventh season by diving into the nuanced topic of boundaries versus walls. They discuss their personal journeys and the importance of setting healthy boundaries in various aspects of life, from relationships to social media to work environments. The episode begins with Jenn sharing insights from Nedra Tawwab's book "Set Boundaries, Find Peace," highlighting the importance of setting boundaries not just with others but also with oneself. They discuss the challenges of maintaining boundaries in relationships, especially when faced with repeated violations. Daren brings up his own experiences with setting boundaries, particularly with...2024-08-0650 minThat Black Couple PodcastThat Black Couple PodcastS6E10 - Black Lesbian Visibility MattersIn this episode, Jenn and Daren delve into the significance of Black lesbian visibility during Pride Month. With a mix of humor and heartfelt reflection, they explore the resurgence of Black lesbian representation in media and society, emphasizing why it matters now more than ever. The episode kicks off with Jenn and Daren sharing their excitement for Pride celebrations. In the first segment, they discuss the current wave of Black lesbian visibility, highlighting notable figures like Tracy Chapman, Meshell Ndegeocello, and the cast of "Hoochie Daddies." They express their joy in seeing diverse representations of Black lesbians in media and...2024-06-2532 minThat Black Couple PodcastThat Black Couple PodcastS6E9 - Black Workers and Disney’s Exploitation of LaborIn this episode, Jenn and Daren dive deep into the exploitation of Black labor, drawing from their personal experiences working for Disney. They shed light on the harsh realities faced by Disney workers, particularly Black employees, and discuss the broader implications of these labor practices within the context of American capitalism. The episode begins with Jenn and Daren discussing the recent viral video of Disney characters unionizing and the importance of labor unions in protecting workers' rights. They then share anecdotes from the time they each spent at Disney, revealing the less-than-magical side of the company including the exploitation of...2024-05-2650 minThat Black Couple PodcastThat Black Couple PodcastS6E8 - Abusers and the “Non-Apology”In this episode, Jenn and Daren delve into the harrowing topic of domestic violence and physical abuse, focusing on the entertainment and music industries where violence against women, especially Black women, is rampant. They urge listeners to take care of themselves and provide resources for victims and survivors of abuse at the end of the episode. The conversation begins with the recent allegations against Diddy and the leaked video of his violent behavior towards Cassie. Jenn and Daren dissect Diddy's non-apology and the broader implications of such public displays of violence. Then, they cover the disturbing case of DJ Akademiks...2024-05-1855 minThat Black Couple PodcastThat Black Couple PodcastS6E7 - Is Rest Really Resistance?In this episode, Jenn and Daren ask the questions “what qualifies as rest” and "what does it take for rest to qualify as resistance?” In the first segment, Jenn shares an Instagram conversation that sparked the episode's theme. They question if rest, defined as the absence of activity, can be considered a form of resistance. They reference Dr. Tricia Hersey's argument that rest disrupts capitalistic systems of production that are anti-Black and white supremacist in nature. They emphasize the need to understand what rest and resistance truly entail. In the second segment, Jenn and Daren discuss the sleep deficit that Black...2024-05-0930 minThat Black Couple PodcastThat Black Couple PodcastS6E6 - Black & AutisticIn this episode, Jenn and Daren bring to light April as Autism Acceptance Month by highlighting the unique experience of being Black and neurodivergent, focusing specifically on autism. In the first segment, Jenn shares their own experience of being a Black neurodivergent person and conversations they had online with Black autistic people around their difficulties in understanding social cues. Daren highlights the importance of including a young Black lesbian woman named Journey on the Netflix show “Love on the Spectrum.” In the second segment, Daren foregrounds the conversation in the history of the autism diagnosis, defining the spectrum of autistic diso...2024-04-2542 minThat Black Couple PodcastThat Black Couple PodcastS6E5 - Recognizing Sexual Assault Awareness MonthIn this episode, Jenn and Daren highlight Sexual Assault and Prevention Month. In the first segment, Jenn shares how sexual assault is an unavoidable part of her Black Politics course, and Daren shares his experience watching the “Quiet On Set” documentary that exposes the mistreatment and abuse of child actors at Nickelodeon during the 1990’s. In the second segment, Jenn and Daren dive deeper into this topic, explaining what constitutes sexual assault or harrassment. Daren shares troubling statistics about sexual assault and the pair talk about how the state and government are not setup to appropriately support and protect the most v...2024-04-1444 minThat Black Couple PodcastThat Black Couple PodcastS6E4 - RUNDOWN | Amanda Seales, Diddy, and Gabrielle ConfederacyIn this Rundown episode, Jenn and Daren get caught up on recent pop culture news. They start off talking about how apt it is that during Sexual Assault Awareness and Prevention Month, it appears that accused abusers like Sea “Diddy” Combs and Russell Simmons are being held accountable. While they are not advocates of the carceral system of punishment, they are fully behind restorative justice, and accountability is a cornerstone of that. In the second segment, Jenn and Daren give updates on the political landscape, from Joe Biden’s star-studded fundraiser to Candice Owens getting fired from Daily Wire to the co...2024-04-0752 minThat Black Couple PodcastThat Black Couple PodcastS6E3 - Where Have You Been?In this “Where Have You Been?” episode, Jenn and Daren let everyone know where they have been for the last few weeks. They start things off by talking about their recent spot in Huffington Post Black Voices series “Black Love on Our Terms,” in which they share how their relationship works and how others can use their model to find love on their own terms. They follow that up with an account of Jenn’s hospital stay and the challenges of being a Black woman in the care of modern day doctors. In the second segment, Jenn and Daren detail how Jenn’s...2024-02-2338 minThat Black Couple PodcastThat Black Couple PodcastS6E2 - The Rundown | HISS, Big Foot, and “I Don’t Unbend My Elbows Barbie”In this rundown episode, Jenn and Daren catch up on important happenings from the last few weeks. In the first segment, they recap the high points of Megan Thee Stallion’s “HISS” and Nicki Minaj’s failure of a response “Big Foot.” In the second segment, Jenn and Daren highlight the wins Black folx took home from the 2024 Grammys and Oscars, celebrating the achievements of artists such as Victoria Monet, Coco Jones, and Samara Joy. In turn they question the status of a music industry where Killa Mike wins top rap honors and Jay-Z is awarded a Dr. Dre Global Impact award...2024-02-0843 minThat Black Couple PodcastThat Black Couple PodcastS6E1 - Choosing Yourself in 2024In this episode, Jenn and Daren welcome everyone into the new year with an update on everything that is going on with them. Since the end of the last season, Jenn’s book "Black Women Taught Us" is available for purchase, Daren had eye surgery, and they have released people who couldn’t respect boundaries. They urge everyone listening to radically choose themselves in 2024 and see how much better life is on that side. They also look forward to everything that they are setting out to accomplish in 2024. This includes the continuation of their popular writing programs, engaging with listeners more...2024-01-2631 minThat Black Couple PodcastThat Black Couple PodcastS5E10 - Poly For The Holidays Part 2: Letting People GoIn this second part of their holiday themed episode, Jenn and Daren talk about the importance of chosen family, and not just for queer communities. With Jenn’s partner Jamelle as a guest, they share how they celebrated the holiday season together as a poly family. In survey after survey, it shows that people, especially younger generations, are increasingly dreading going to family events. And some of the prime reasons for this are ideological differences and offensive lines of questioning. If the point of family holiday gatherings is togetherness, why do over half of Gen-Zers report having a heated argument at...2024-01-011h 00That Black Couple PodcastThat Black Couple PodcastS5E9 - Poly For The Holidays Part 1: Chosen FamilyIn this holiday themed episode, Jenn and Daren talk about how celebrating the holidays in a non-traditional way can sometimes be the way that best serves you. The queer community has a legacy of chosen families, building families not based on blood but based on the community that loves and supports you. For much of their lives, Jenn and Daren operated under the traditional framework that you celebrate the holidays with your family, even if that family was full of people that mistreated you, made you uncomfortable, or were generally not fun to be around. But once they chose to...2023-12-0131 minBlack Pod ClassBlack Pod ClassA Chat w/ That Black CoupleHi everyone! Today we have Dr. Jenn and Darren with us who are the hosts andcreators of “ThatBlackCouple” podcast. Jenn is queer, androgynous Black woman, anabolitionist, a lover of all Black people, and an Assistant Professor at Syracuse University in theDepartment of Political Science. Jackson’s research is in Black Politics with a focus on BlackFeminist movements, racial threat, gender and sexuality, and political behavior. Jenn’s Bio:Jenn M. Jackson (they/them) is a queer, androgynous Black woman, an abolitionist, a lover of allBlack people...2023-11-2926 minThat Black Couple PodcastThat Black Couple PodcastS5E8 - Queer Self-NamingIn this queer themed episode, Jenn and Daren celebrate LGBT History Month and Asexuality Awareness Week by marking the importance of “self-naming” and the power of being able to define yourself for yourself outside of society’s rules and standards. They talk about vulnerable queer youth and how self-naming can be a source of empowerment for them, and furthermore, how acceptance from their family and friends can lead to healthier life outcomes. From there, they discuss the difference between “coming out and “welcoming in” and the challenge of overcoming guilt and shame around your own identity. They close out the episode with...2023-10-2732 minThat Black Couple PodcastThat Black Couple PodcastS5E7 - Black Mental Health Check-InIn this episode, Jenn and Daren mark World Mental Health Day (October 10) with a much needed mental health check-in. As the season changes, temperatures drop, and the state of the world is constantly changing, it is important that we check-in with ourselves and with each other to make sure that we are each OK. They emphasize how the trauma of going through the COVID-19 pandemic has impacted marginalized communities especially in relationship with work. As employment has risen steeply we must keep in mind that 46% of U.S. workers who receive paid time off from their employer take less time...2023-10-2332 minThat Black Couple PodcastThat Black Couple PodcastS5E6 - The Rundown | Acknowledging Black Women’s BrillianceIn this rundown of topical matters, Jenn and Daren celebrate the sheer brilliance of Black women. They start with using Drake’s recent conflict with Halle Berry as an example of how not to treat Black women. Next is a walkthrough or recent major wins for Black women, ranging from the global economic impact Beyonce’s Renaissance tour to the enduring legacy of Black women athletes dominating their fields. They close out their acknowledgement of Black women by celebrating Virgo Season (#virgoszn) and announcing the availability of pre-orders for Jenn’s book “Black Women Taught Us”. Pre-order “Black Women Taught Us” - https...2023-09-2232 minThat Black Couple PodcastThat Black Couple PodcastS5E5 - Let's Talk About BooksIn the first segment, Jenn and Daren celebrate September (Virgo Season) and update everyone on where they have been. They also explain how important literacy is and how comic books play a part in not just bringing young people to reading but also helping minority and queer readers see themselves reflected in print. In the second segment, they discuss the benefits of reading and how gaps in learning can persist from childhood through to adulthood. Daren also gives insight into the current publishing industry and how imperative it is to create opportunities for non-white people to find their place within...2023-09-0732 minThat Black Couple PodcastThat Black Couple PodcastS5E4 - Understanding The Roots of Black AugustIn this episode spotlighting Black August, Jenn and Daren talk through the legacy of the Black radical tradition, from the Haitian Revolution to today. In the first segment, Jenn and Daren discuss the limited amount of Black history that they were taught in their youth and how that history tended to skew towards elements that support capitalism. But as Black liberation movements have grown in prominence, so too have radical models of possibility. In the second segment, they share the legacy of Black Panther George Jackson and the genesis of Black August as well as the linkages to the Haitian...2023-08-2539 minThat Black Couple PodcastThat Black Couple PodcastS5E3 - Hip-Hop, Hoochie Daddies, and MontgomeryIn this episode, Jenn and Daren reflect on 3 expressions of Blackness that brought them joy this week: the 50th anniversary Hip-Hop, the reality show “Hoochie Daddies,” and Montgomery Riverfront Beat-down.They opine on the beauty of Black solidarity and folding chairs, share how Hip-Hop has been a triumph and how it has let us down, and explain why “Hoochie Daddies” is the must-watch lesbian/stud reality show of the year. It has truly been Black August. Reference Material: * Mid-Year 2022: Hip-Hop’s Still the Top Genre But Latin & World Music Are Making Gains - https://www.billboard.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/07/july-19-2022-bill...2023-08-1238 minThat Black Couple PodcastThat Black Couple PodcastS5E2 - Navigating Disability and Gender PolicingIn this episode, Jenn and Daren meditate on the ways that our own experiences with disability policing dovetails with other forms of anti-Black policing in society. We expand the conversation about Disability Pride Month to have a conversation about how our intersectional identities should be considered especially when we discuss our disabilities. We close the episode reflecting on the risks associated with public movement and public Blackness. www.ThatBlackCouple.com FB: www.facebook.com/ThatBlackCouple Twitter: www.twitter.com/ThatBlkCouple Instagram: www.instagram.com/thatblkcouple iTunes: https://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/that-black-couple-podcast/id1284072220?mt=2 Spotify: https://open.spotify.com...2023-07-2834 minThat Black Couple PodcastThat Black Couple PodcastS5E1 - Black Creatives MatterIn the opening episode for season 5, Jenn and Daren focus on the laundry list of obstacles that are facing marginalized people and why it is that much more important to support Black creatives in these times. From Supreme Curt decisions legalizing discrimination and striking down affirmative action to book bans and the proliferation of DEI(&A) initiatives, the troubles of the world can work together to stifle and sometimes snuff out our creative efforts. But sometimes just having one cheerleading in your corner can be the support you need to keep the creative juices flowing. Honor your creativity, honor your...2023-07-1541 minThat Black Couple PodcastThat Black Couple PodcastS4E10 - Mental Health Awareness Month DebriefTo close out May/Mental Health Awareness Month, Jenn and Daren recap how the month went for them and just how much they focused on their own mental health. A typically busy month for most people due to annual celebrations like the end of school years and Mother's Day, it is a partiularly busy month for them as they also celebrate Daren's birthday and graduation. Practical tips included in this episode include the importance of technology boundaries at work, taking vacation days, and delegating or asking for help with tasks. Too often, we try to manage everything on our own...2023-05-3031 minThat Black Couple PodcastThat Black Couple PodcastS4E9 - Self Care SolutionsJenn and Daren take a different approach to Mental Health Awareness month in this episode, talking about the self care habits that have worked for them personally instead of focusing on how poor mental health can lead to negative outcomes. In this conversational format, Jenn and Daren ask each other questions about their own self care journeys and provide interesting insights around what has worked for them, what has not worked for them, and understanding what a self care journey is all about. Topics discussed include mediation, gym memberships, trial and error with therapy, travel, and getting grounded in nature. ...2023-05-1936 minThat Black Couple PodcastThat Black Couple PodcastS4E8 - 4/20 Justice and BurnoutJenn and Daren highlight the dangers of burnout and how this can have heightened impacts for marginalized communities in this 4/20 themed episode. While many people think that sleeping in over the weekend can cure their burnout, the side effects of burnout can extend for anywhere from one year to ten years. This is why it is so important to prioritize self-care today. Within this conversation, they discuss the recent work of Tricia Hersey (Rest is Resistance) and Dr. Arline T Geronimus (Weathering). They also make a case for the decriminalization of marijuana and justice for those currently incarcerated for weed-related...2023-05-0625 minThat Black Couple PodcastThat Black Couple PodcastS4E7: Honoring Black Poets and the Struggle of Being a Black WriterJenn and Daren tribute Black writers in this episode for National Poetry Month. They start by highlighting Black poets that every reader should have on their pull list including Nate Marshall, Claudia Rankine, and Donika Kelly. Daren then dives into hard facts and figures related to how white-dominated the writing and publishing industry is, and how that can bring about specific challenges for Black writers. They share how difficult it can be to find people within the industry that understand your work, to find support for your art, and to find confidence in your own voice. In the end, Jenn...2023-04-0842 minThat Black Couple PodcastThat Black Couple PodcastS4E6: The Rundown | "Swarm" and the Push to Ban TikTokIn this rundown episode, Jenn and Daren laugh and chat their way through the current events stuck on their minds. First, they pay homage and mourn the loss of fan favorite actor Lance Reddick and comment on how we are losing Black men at younger ages. Check on your Black man friend today. Then they run through a collection of topics from the looming ban of TikTok to the “Hotep Olympics” of Byron Allen, Tyler Perry, and Diddy trying to buy BET to the cinematic experience that is “Swarm.” They close things out by highlighting the Transgender Day of Visibility (March 31...2023-03-2547 minThat Black Couple PodcastThat Black Couple PodcastS4E5: Giving Black Trans Women Their Flowers | Women’s History MonthIn this Womens History Month episode, Jenn and Daren discuss the high-profile threats to transgender people and why this is even more reason to spotlight them during month. Recent comments from Republicans at the CPAC conference and from famed writer Alice Walker prove how important it is for us to always center and elevate the experiences of all Black trans people. Jenn shares the work of Marsha P. Johnson and how modern Pride celebrations are rooted in her work. To close things out, Jenn and Daren highlight the achievements of trans activists like Janet Mock, Raquel Willis, CeCe McDonald and...2023-03-1037 minThat Black Couple PodcastThat Black Couple PodcastS4E4 - The Barriers to Black ExcellenceIn the first segment, Jenn and Daren explain how attacks on Critical Race Theory (CRT) and "Look What I Can Do" culture can hinder Black Excellence. In the second segment, they discuss how Black folx endorsing damaging messaging and white women acting as stand-ins for diversity are perfect examples of how gatekeeping holds us back and why we need to get back to supporting each other. In the third segment, Jenn and Daren reflect on how limiting our own imagination and succumbing to imposter syndrome can sometimes be the most sinister barrier to our own Black Excellence. www.ThatBlackCouple.com ...2023-02-2353 minThat Black Couple PodcastThat Black Couple PodcastS4E3: Exploring the Legacy of Black CreativesIn this Black History Month episode honoring the legacy of Black creatives, Jenn and Daren share some of their favorite Black creatives from the old school, contemporary times, and present day. In the first segment, Jenn and Daren talk about the legendary and super Black contributions of Ma Rainey and Henry Ossawa Tanner. In the second segment, they share why the works of Audre Lorde and August Wilson are so important to the culture. In the third segment, Jenn and Daren share their pride in how Black youth like Samara Joy and Zara Wade are carrying the torch for Black...2023-02-1136 minThat Black Couple PodcastThat Black Couple PodcastS4 Bonus E1 : Kenya Barris Doesn’t Love UsIn the first segment, Jenn and Daren explain that they like to watch bad movies, but “You People” is not the enjoyable kind of bad movie. In the second segment, they give a quick synopsis of the movie and discuss a litany of issues that this movie has, including implicit racism, gross misrepresentations of Los Angeles, and simple lazy writing. In the third segment, Jenn and Daren expand on this film’s sins including their portrayal is Muslims, diverse instances of misogyny, and centering a white savior in a film about interracial dating. www.ThatBlackCouple.com FB: www.facebook.com/ThatBl...2023-02-0828 minThat Black Couple PodcastThat Black Couple PodcastS4E2 : THE RUNDOWN - The Good, The Bad and The CornyIn the first segment, Jenn and Daren highlight Jenn’s recent talk on polyamory and the breakthrough nominations for the The 95th Academy Awards (2023). In the second segment, they discuss how corny white conservative s are showing up in the news, from trying to legislate away drag queens to Florida’s war on “wokeness.” In the third segment, Jenn and Daren reflect on the upcoming Black History Month and the perks that Patreon subscribers will get during the month. Reference Material: #ThatBlackCouple Ep 14 - The Oscars Episode - https://soundcloud.com/thatblackcouple/thatblackcouple-ep-14-the-oscars-episode This Year's Oscars Broke the Record for Most...2023-01-2741 minThat Black Couple PodcastThat Black Couple PodcastS4E1 : Transforming Black Political FuturesJenn and Daren open season 4 of That Black Couple exploring what the political futures of Black folx looks like. In the first segment, Jenn and Daren share their feelings about recent political developments like the "Red Wave" that wasn't and the historic and embarrassing vote for the Speaker of the House. In the second segment, they discuss the importance of the youth vote, abortion protection, and weed legalization in predicting where we are heading politically. They also talk through notable Black and queer candidate wins and set expectations around just how much progress their wins represent. In the third segment...2023-01-1341 minThat Black Couple PodcastThat Black Couple PodcastS3E44: Black Hope for 2023In the first segment, Jenn and Daren reflect on the most important things they learned in 2022, including not to overthink things and that you are enough all by yourself. In the second segment, they discuss the things they will be taking with them into 2023, from having more confidence and self-assurance to clarity around wants, goals, and personal and professional boundaries. In the third segment, Jenn and Daren share what they are hopeful about for 2023, most importantly the new projects they have coming from Colored Convos Media, Jenn’s new book Black Women Taught Us, and Daren making a return to so...2022-12-3127 minThat Black Couple PodcastThat Black Couple PodcastS3E43: Black Masculinity, Manhood, and Mental HealthIn the first segment, Jenn and Daren mourn the loss of Stephen “tWitch” Boss, other recent celebrity losses, and how so many people in society don’t understand that the personas celebrities put forth are not the entirety of who they are. In the second segment, they discuss the rising rates of suicide in the Black community and do a deep dive on what work needs to be done around Black masculinity and vulnerability for them to be able to thrive in a world structured for their destruction. In the third segment, Jenn reflects on how important it is to be exp...2022-12-3056 minThat Black Couple PodcastThat Black Couple PodcastS3E42: Desensationalizing Black PainIn the first segment, Jenn and Daren detail the problem with centering pain in Black narratives and how white people struggle to understand Black characters without pain as an entry point. In the second segment, Jenn and Daren rave about the brilliance of “The Woman King”, Lashana Lynch, the film’s costuming department, and John Boyega’s twist out. They also explain how the film deftly tells a story about the slave trade without centering Black pain. In the third segment, Daren lists the reasons we should all be excited about “Black Panther: Wakanda Forever” while Jenn points out the difficulty o...2022-10-2942 minThat Black Couple PodcastThat Black Couple PodcastS3E41: Another Catch Up EpisodeIn the first segment, Jenn and Daren explain where they have been for the last month and detail the initiatives you should tap into like the Black Feminist Book Club and thri upcoming Author Series. In the second segment, Daren asks “Who really cares about the Queen?” and Jenn talks through why we are not obligated to mourn her loss. In the third segment, Jenn and Daren outline why it’s time for us to stop handling Kanye West with kid gloves and lament how compelled and conflicted they feel about Kim Kardashian looking like the hero in their marriage. www.Th...2022-10-1645 minThat Black Couple PodcastThat Black Couple PodcastS3E40: Summer of Black RenaissanceIn the first segment, Jenn and Daren speak about the brilliance of Jordan Peele’s NOPE and Beyoncé’s Renaissance and how we should all be putting respect on the names of artists that elevate artistry. In the second segment, Jenn and Daren talk through Britney Griner’s current situation and how it speaks volumes about the disparities in professional sports pay and the particular peril that Black queer women face. In the third segment, Daren mounts the loss of Bill Russell and Nichelle Nichols and spotlights the special place that each of these legends hold in Black History. Reference Materia...2022-08-1654 minThat Black Couple PodcastThat Black Couple PodcastS3E39: Black Daddy IssuesIn the first segment, Jenn and Daren discuss how Kendrick Lamar's "Family Time" exposes the complexities of "daddy issues". In the second segment, Daren lays out the stats around fatherhood and single motherhood in America, and Jenn makes it plain how imperative it is that children seek therapy to deal with their daddy issues and that we focus on the particular issues single mothers and daughters face. In the third segment, Jenn and Daren reflect on how the alignment of Juneteenth and Father’s Day brought about difficult conversations about freedom and liberation in light of how many daddy issues st...2022-07-3127 minThat Black Couple PodcastThat Black Couple PodcastS3E38: Black Queer PrideIn the first segment, Jenn and Daren spotlight the intersection of Black Music Appreciation Month and how much of a tragedy it is that we will never "know know" the truth about Luther Vandross. In the second segment, Jenn and Daren share their own experiences of how they came to understand and accept their queerness. In the third segment, Jenn and Daren tease Jenn's appearances on the new Discovery+ show The Book of Queer. www.ThatBlackCouple.com FB: www.facebook.com/ThatBlackCouple Twitter: www.twitter.com/ThatBlkCouple Instagram: www.instagram.com/thatblkcouple Apple Podcasts: https://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast...2022-06-0327 minThat Black Couple PodcastThat Black Couple PodcastS3E37 - Toxic (Black) MasculinityIn the first segment, Jenn and Daren discuss the current threats to Roe v. Wade and how the confrontation between Will Smith and Chris Rock at the Oscars brought discussions around toxic masculinity to the forefront. In the second segment, they bring up a range of current examples of toxic (Black) masculinity including Kevin Samuels and Tory Lanez. In the third segment, Jenn and Daren give a preview of their next episode that will be all about critiquing the Black middle class. Reference Material: * Everything We Know About The Megan Thee Stallion and Tory Lanez Shootign Investigation - https://www...2022-05-2435 minThat Black Couple PodcastThat Black Couple PodcastS3E36 - Black Women and the Downside of Being the FirstIn the first segment, Jenn and Daren celebrate the landmark confirmation of Ketanji Brown Jackson to the U.S. Supreme Court and the burden that she will need to bear as a result. In the second segment, they discuss why celebrating “firsts” for Black people can be complex and problematic and ask if the “race for firsts” is even a good thing for Black people. In the third segment, Jenn and Daren reflect on the conversation and explain why we need to shift the conversation to interrogate what we mean by a “win”, divorcing value from white-centered ideals to defining and centerin...2022-04-2728 minThat Black Couple PodcastThat Black Couple PodcastS3E35 - Petty Politics: Rihanna, Kanye, and UkraineIn the first segment, Jenn and Daren share their current favorite things, including PJ Morton and JoJo’s new song “My Peace” and the Peacock show “Bel-Air.” In the second segment, they talk through how Kim and Kanye’s divorce shows that stalking and harassment are never OK, why everybody needs to stay up to date on the war in Ukraine, and how people’s issues with Rihanna’s pregnancy are another example of how Black women are treated like products instead of people. In the third segment, Jenn and Daren give a preview of what they’ll be discussing for Women’s Histor...2022-03-0240 minThat Black Couple PodcastThat Black Couple PodcastS3E34 - The Black Futures Episode: How To Move as a Healing Black Person in 2022In the first segment, Jenn and Daren highlight the recent increase in Black deaths from suicide and why it is imperative that we seek healing in 2022. In the second segment, they discuss bell hooks’s book Sisters of the Yam, talk through the troubling statistics around Black mental health, and share their “4 Steps to Moving as a Healing Black Person in 2022”. In the third segment, Jenn and Daren reflect on their own mental health journeys and explain why it is so important that we support each other while hold each other accountable. Reference Material: * #ThatBlackCouple Ep 7 - #MentalHealthMatters https://soundcloud.com/th...2022-02-0935 minThat Black Couple PodcastThat Black Couple PodcastS3E33 - bell hooks, breakups and BlacknessJenn and Daren start season 3 of That Black Couple with a rundown episode covering some of the hottest topics of the month. In the first segment, Jenn and Daren share what has been on their minds like the little known long-term success of recent chart topper Muni Long (Hrs And Hrs), the merits of white on white violence in HBO’s Euphoria, why they’d both rather have a “sex tape” go public than a “spit tape”. In the second segment, they explain why celebrity divorces can be a “good’ thing and why the losses of legends like bell hooks, Betty White, and...2022-01-2247 minLove Is Black PodcastLove Is Black PodcastEp. 18 Love Is Adventure?Welcome back to the Love Is Black Podcast! Join us this week as we take a journey through committed black love with That Black Couple, Jenn and Daren Jackson! On this episode they discuss: Fried chicken and Brian McKnight starting a love story; The black experience at a fake HBCU in a PWI; Planning a future on a spreadsheet; Marriage while asexual and queer; What is a black feminist; and more! Watch this interview on YouTube: https://youtu.be/FWvsJYxP6sU Bio: Jenn is a queer, Black feminist from...2022-01-201h 04That Black Couple PodcastThat Black Couple PodcastS2E32 - Looking Forward: What's Next for That Black Couple?Jenn and Daren close out the season looking back at how far they’ve come in the 5 years that they’ve been creating the That Black Couple podcast and announce what listeners have to look forward to in 2022. In the first segment, Jenn and Daren talk about what changes you can expect in season 3 of TBC. All of the graphics will be getting a facelift, and they will be altering the structure of the episodes. In the second segment, they discuss their other business ventures, all held under their umbrella company Colored Convos Media. This will include a new newsletter, the...2022-01-1819 minThat Black Couple PodcastThat Black Couple PodcastS2E31 - The Looking Back Episode: Our Favorite Moments in the First 2 SeasonsIn the first segment, Jenn and Daren laugh their way through their favorite drags of the first 2 seasons, focusing on what makes Kenya Barris's shows tick and why white people should be cleaning up after Octavia Spencer for the rest of her life. In the second segment, they discuss their favorite intellectual moments of the first 2 seasons from the "Millennials and Interracial Dating" and "Black Sleep Matters" episodes. They delve into the challenges of being the Black person in an interracial couple and how important sleep is for Black people in particular. In the third segment, Jenn and Daren highlight...2021-12-131h 10That Black Couple PodcastThat Black Couple PodcastS2E30 - Black Healing and Trauma During COVID-19In the first segment "First Things First," Jenn and Daren talk about how important it is to take lessons from the past year or two since COVID-19. For Black people, this time has shown us exactly how anti-Black and white supremacist these institutions are and how they often harm Black life. In the second segment, "The Conversation," Daren shares the data about the increased vulnerability of Black folx and other people of color during the COVID-19 crisis. Jenn explains how this disproportionate marginalization must be addressed through healing justice for ourselves and our communities. In the third segment, "The Reflection,"...2021-07-1931 minWoke AF DailyWoke AF DailyPolyamory 102 with Dr. Jenn M. JacksonDr. Jenn M. Jackson is BACK to get you woke to what it's like to practice polyamory. They're joined by their husband Daren AND partner Tia, all living together with three children. Listen to learn, and hear more at Patreon.com/WokeAF. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoicesSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.2021-05-2221 minWoke AF DailyWoke AF DailyPolyamory 102 with Dr. Jenn M. JacksonDr. Jenn M. Jackson is BACK to get you woke to what it's like to practice polyamory. They're joined by their husband Daren AND partner Tia, all living together with three children. Listen to learn, and hear more at Patreon.com/WokeAF. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoicesSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.2021-05-2221 minCreatively Relating with Vyana NovusCreatively Relating with Vyana NovusEp. 8: Divorce Saved Our Relationship with Daren Thomas MageeIn this very personal episode, Vyana (they/them) sits down with their ex-husband & partner, Daren Magee (he/him) of Real Fun, Wow! to discuss part of their journey from emotionally abusive marriage to repair & healthy relating. Share your thoughts about this episode by calling in: 1-833-2RELATE / 1-833-273-5283 (2 minute max) or email creativelyrelating@gmail.comFollow Vyana on Instagram @vyana.novus / Follow Daren @realfunwow and @mysticalcynicalSupport the show at Patreon.com/vyananovus starting at $3 per monthMusic for this show was written and recorded by Zena Carlota...2021-04-072h 31That Black Couple PodcastThat Black Couple PodcastS2E29 - Why Young Black Folx Are Leaving The Black ChurchIn the first segment, Jenn and Daren talk through their own relationship with the church and spirituality and the difficulty they had in finding a church for their own family. In the second segment, they invite Jenn’s partner Tia into the conversation to discuss why Black millennials are leaving the church and how they have come to adopt alternative forms of church. In the third segment, Jenn, Daren, and Tia discuss how young Black folx are looking for holistic fulfillment of their spirituality that does not end and begin within a church. Articles for Reference: * Pew Research Center Faith Am...2021-03-151h 12That Black Couple PodcastThat Black Couple PodcastS2E28 - That (Queer) Black Couple: Gender Fluidity and AsexualityIn the first segment, Jenn and Daren talk through how the COVID-19 pandemic has been an opportunity for self-exploration and the start of new ventures. In the second segment, they discuss how they discovered their own sexual (asexual) and gender (gender fluid/genderqueer) identities and what those identities mean. In the third segment, Jenn and Daren reflect on how asexuality and gender fluidity/genderqueerness have shown up in their lives from childhood to present and why it is important to hold space for the full spectrum of identities people may have. Articles for Reference: * Asexuality Spectrum - https://www.asexuality...2020-10-3149 minThat Black Couple PodcastThat Black Couple PodcastS2E27 - The Entanglement Episode (or How We Do Polyamory)In the first segment, Jenn and Daren recap how the term “entanglement” exploded over the summer and how it exposed people’s ignorance around polyamory. In the second segment, they unpack what an entanglement is, debunk its negative stereotypes, and show how polyamory is all about responsibility, open communication, respect, and ongoing commitment. In the third segment, Jenn and Daren reflect on how society shapes how we believe we should live our lives even though every societal norm is just made up. Articles for Reference: * #ThatBlackCouple Ep 23 - Polyamory, Open Relationships, and Black Dating Life - https://soundcloud.com/thatblackcouple/thatbl...2020-10-061h 05That Black Couple PodcastThat Black Couple PodcastS2E26 - Why We Aren't Rooting For Everybody BlackIn the first segment, Jenn and Daren talk through why Kanye West’s and Terry Crews’ recent headline-making actions are proof that we shouldn’t root for everybody Black. In the second segment, they dive into a deep discussion on how Black Entertainment has largely not been held accountable for advancing Black narratives in TV. They also explain why it is important that we hold people like Kenya Barris and Issa Rae accountable for their art while not “canceling” them. In the third segment, Jenn and Daren reflect on how the “slowed and reverb” movement captures the importance of putting the highest le...2020-08-011h 22That Black Couple PodcastThat Black Couple PodcastS2E25 - Radical Black Mothering and Protecting Black ChildrenIn this Mother’s Day episode, Jenn and Daren discuss the importance of mothers and “other mothers” both in their lives and the lives of Black folx at large. They also dive into the importance of parenting without adhering to societal gender roles and against harmful norms. They talk about Dwayne Wade's and Gabrielle Union’s parenting choices with Zaya Wade as the family navigates transphobia and protecting Black child. Articles for Reference: * Gender Differences in Time Spent on Parenting and Domestic Responsibilities by High-Achieving Young Physician-Researchers - https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4131769/ * 2018 The Global Early Adolesce...2020-05-1034 minThat Black Couple PodcastThat Black Couple PodcastS2E24 - Lizzo, Black Feminism, and Everything We've Missed in the Last 4 MonthsIn the first segment, Jenn and Daren explain where they've been for the last 4 months while the podcast has been on hiatus. In the second segment, they discuss some of the major topics they've missed during the hiatus. They cover new polyamorous developments, the roster of Democratic Presidential candidates, the recent race issues at Syracuse University, Cynthia Erivo's racist comments, how Black feminism didn't come from white women, and all things Lizzo. In the Reflection, Jenn and Daren talk through their plans for the remainder of the podcast's season and for the coming season 3. Article for reference: * I teach at...2019-12-191h 09That Black Couple PodcastThat Black Couple PodcastS2E23 - Polyamory, Open Relationships, and Black Dating LifeIn the first segment, Jenn and Daren explain what it is like to maintain a relationship with one polyamorous person and one monogamous person. In the second segment, they discuss polyamory’s progress through history and some of its most common misconceptions. In the Interview, Jenn and Daren chat with Jasmine and Mo Banks from the Parenting Is Political Podcast and dig into the roles polyamory has played in their lives. In the Reflection, Jenn, Daren, Jasmine, and Mo all share the messages that they believe are most important for people to take to heart. Article for reference: *One Epic Ch...2019-07-121h 09That Black Couple PodcastThat Black Couple PodcastS2E22 - Millennials and Interracial DatingIn the first segment, Jenn and Daren introduce a listener’s question and the reason why they enlisted a panel of people experienced in interracial dating to provide their insight and share their experiences. In the second segment, Jenn, Daren, and their panel discuss gender and racial dynamics within relationships from how “the gaze” can cause discomfort and fear to the rarity of resources that deal with interracial relationships that do not include a white person. In the third segment, Jenn and Daren reflect on how this discussion has opened their eyes to the complexities of interracial relationships and the common...2019-04-0149 minThat Black Couple PodcastThat Black Couple PodcastS2E21 - It's The New Year and I Ain't Changing $#!t!In the first segment, Jenn and Daren explain why they decided to stop making New Year’s Resolutions. In the second segment, they interrogate the concept of New Year’s Resolutions, explain why they fail, and suggest alternatives. In the third segment, Jenn and Daren share their past failed resolutions and why they have “unburdened” themselves from strict goals. Articles for reference: * New Year, Same Me http://watercoolerconvos.com/2019/01/07/new-year-resolutions-anxiety/ * The History of New Year’s Resolutions https://www.history.com/news/the-history-of-new-years-resolutions * 10 Top New Year's Resolutions for Success and Happiness in 2019 https://www.inc.com/peter-economy/10-top-new-years-resolutions-for-success-happiness-in-2019.html * 80% of New Year's...2019-02-1447 minThat Black Couple PodcastThat Black Couple PodcastS2E20 - Black Sleep MattersIn the first segment, Jenn and Daren talk about how lack of sleep in the short term has afforded them time to get things done at the expense of their own wellness. In the second segment, they discuss how lack of sleep and sleep disorders have extraordinarily dangerous side effects for racial minorities yet it is often overlooked or even expected. In the third segment, Jenn and Daren reflect on how they have come to realize the extreme importance of sleep in their lives, as evidenced by Angela Bassett's de-aging regimine. Articles for reference: *Study finds connection between race and...2018-11-2642 minThat Black Couple PodcastThat Black Couple PodcastS2E19 - Stop Whoopin Your KidsIn the first segment, Jenn and Daren discuss the listener question that prompted this episode and the common perceptions people have of spanking. In the second segment, they discuss the studies around acceptance of spanking in the U.S., how spanking is still allowed in schools, and the country’s history of corporal punishment. In the third segment, Jenn and Daren outline their parenting approach and how they came to realize the many reasons why spanking is a bad practice for kids. Articles for reference: *Black Parents, Stop Shaming Your Children http://watercoolerconvos.com/2014/05/03/black-parents-stop-shaming-your-children/ *Americans’ Opinions On Spanking Vary By P...2018-08-1151 minThat Black Couple PodcastThat Black Couple PodcastS2E18 - Do Good Work and Don't Be TrashIn the first segment, Jenn and Daren explain the meaning of the motto “Do good work and don't be trash.” In the second segment, Jenn and Daren discuss how they model the motto in their daily lives from how Daren checks his privilege to how Jenn uses her platform to elevate the work of other Black women. In the third segment, they talk through how not being trash requires being critical when necessary and why you should always put more emphasis on your work than accolades. Articles for reference: *How we use the term ‘hater’ to avoid reflection and self-improvement http://w...2018-08-0245 minThat Black Couple PodcastThat Black Couple PodcastS2E17 - Janelle Monae-osexualIn the first segment, Jenn and Daren talk about Janelle Monae coming out as queer and what the resurgence of queerness means for this generation. In the second segment, Jenn and Daren discuss queerness as a set of gender politics and a set of sexual politics. In the third segment, Daren reflects on being a heterosexual Black man coupled with a queer Black woman and Jenn reflects on identifying as bisexual, then pansexual, and now queer. Articles for reference: * Why, As A Queer Black Woman, It’s Important That I Write About Culture http://watercoolerconvos.com/2017/02/14/why-as-a-queer-black-woman-its-important-that-i-write-about-culture/ * To be a Bl...2018-05-1245 minThat Black Couple PodcastThat Black Couple PodcastS2E16 - When White People Call The PoliceIn the first segment, Jenn and Daren talk about recent situations when the police have been called without good cause and why they are so problematic. In the second segment, they discuss the disparate responses police officers provide to white people vs. Black people and how unnecessarily bringing the police into situations can often end with Black people dead. In the third segment, Jenn and Daren discuss their own personal experiences with the police and why they have so little faith in the police force. Articles for reference: * Calling the Police on Black People Can Put Them in Danger https...2018-04-211h 11That Black Couple PodcastThat Black Couple PodcastS2E15 - When White People Like YouIn the first segment, Jenn and Daren read a listener submitted question (the topic of this episode) and clarify that this question speaks to a larger question of the power of the status quo. In the second segment, they discuss the theoretical implications of being liked and supported by white people. In the third segment, Jenn and Daren discuss not doing things for the white gaze, codeswitching, and creating spaces for Black folx first. Articles for reference: * Why White Guilt Is The Least Important Consideration In My Work http://watercoolerconvos.com/2017/02/20/why-white-guilt-is-the-least-important-consideration-in-my-work/ * Why I will no longer use my unpaid...2018-03-1857 minThat Black Couple PodcastThat Black Couple PodcastS2E14 - The Oscars EpisodeIn the first segment, Jenn and Daren offer up both the official and #ThatBlackCouple versions of descriptions for some of the most buzzed about films nominated for Oscars this year. In the second segment, they give their in-depth critiques of the most buzzed about films this awards season: ‘The Shape of Water’, ‘Three BIllboards Outside Ebbing, Missouri’, and “Lady Bird’. In the third segment, Jenn and Daren reflect on how standout films ‘Get Out’, ‘Mudbound’, and ‘Step’ have been mistreated by the film community. Articles for reference: * Reckoning with the anti-Black mathematics of mainstream awards shows http://watercoolerconvos.com/2018/02/07/reckoning-anti-black-mathematics-mainstream-awards-shows/ * The Academy Awards Just...2018-03-051h 23That Black Couple PodcastThat Black Couple PodcastS2E13 - D'Bleck Pantha EpisodeIn the first segment, Jenn and Daren talk about their experience viewing Black Panther and explain why they saw the film first as a couple and second with their children. In the second segment, they discuss the merits and problems with Black Panther in conversation with responses written by Chris Lebron and Lawrence Ware. In the third segment, Jenn and Daren reflect on how Black Panther could and should change the movie-making business and why representation matters. Articles for reference: * We are not Wakanda. We are Erik Killmonger. http://watercoolerconvos.com/2018/02/19/not-wakanda-erik-killmonger-black-panther/ * ‘Black Panther’ Is Not the Movie We Deserve by C...2018-02-2459 minThat Black Couple PodcastThat Black Couple PodcastS1E12 - Things to Leave in 2017 and the Black #GlowUpIn the first segment, Jenn and Daren talk about what they want to leave in 2017, especially white saviors and performative allyship. In the second segment, they discuss things they liked about 2017 and how 2017 was the year of Black folx on their "glow up". In the third segment, Jenn and Daren discuss things they are looking forward to in the Blacker more feminist future of 2018 including Black Panther and increased Blackness in community and culture. In the fourth and final segment of the first season, Jenn and Daren talk about the podcast. They drag each other a 'lil bit and discuss...2017-12-3047 minThat Black Couple PodcastThat Black Couple PodcastS1E11 - Commodifying Black PainIn the first segment, Jenn and Daren talk about the ways that mainstream media operates to exacerbate and benefit from the public performance of Black pain. In the second segment, they discuss what Black Liberation really looks like given this type of system. In the third segment, Jenn and Daren discuss their experiences with internalized anti-Blackness, whether it be from them or others, and how to manage. Articles for reference: * Omarosa, Bethenny, and White Women Being ‘Mediocre’ http://watercoolerconvos.com/2013/11/02/omarosa-bethenny-and-white-women-being-mediocre/ * It’s time to talk about the Black elitism and anti-Blackness portrayed on ‘This is Us’ http://watercoolerconvos.com/2017/12/06/gotta-talk...2017-12-1655 minThat Black Couple PodcastThat Black Couple PodcastS1E10 - Why We're A "No Football" HouseholdIn the first segment, Jenn and Daren talk about emerging news around the medical issues that are associated with football, especially as it relates to CTE. In the second segment, they discuss all of the problematic aspects of professional football that are damaging to Black folx and question how anyone can be for Black lives while also supporting an anti-Black system like the NFL. In the third segment, Jenn and Daren relate their personal experiences with football and athletics and how Black folx are encouraged into sports at the expense of their personal health and longevity. Articles for reference: * Deceased...2017-11-081h 00That Black Couple PodcastThat Black Couple PodcastS1E9 - Implicit Racism, Microaggressions, and MillennialsIn the first segment, Jenn and Daren discuss how subtle forms of racism show up in our everyday lives. In the second segment, they dig deeper into what implicit racism is, how we conceive of “microaggressions”, and what racism looks like for Black millennials in the United States. In the third segment, Jenn and Daren talk about how we address these issues and what are some ways to combat these issues as we do the adulting thing. Articles for reference: * “I am not a racist but . . .”: mapping White college students’ racial ideology in the USA http://citeseerx.ist.psu.edu/viewdoc/do...2017-10-3058 minThat Black Couple PodcastThat Black Couple PodcastS1E8 - Harvey Weinstein and Gaslighting as CultureIn the first segment, Jenn and Daren discuss the allegations against Harvey Weinstein and the misuse of power in Hollywood. In the second segment, they dive into gaslighting, defining the term and illustrating how pervasive it is in our culture. In the third segment, Jenn and Daren talk about sexual harassment in intimate environments and why it is so important for men to be vocal about these issues. Articles for reference: * Harvey Weinstein Paid Off Sexual Harassment Accusers for Decades https://www.nytimes.com/2017/10/05/us/harvey-weinstein-harassment-allegations.html?_r=0 * From Aggressive Overtures to Sexual Assault: Harvey Weinstein’s Accusers Tell Their St...2017-10-291h 04That Black Couple PodcastThat Black Couple PodcastS1E7 - #MentalHealthMattersIn the first segment, Jenn and Daren discuss how mental health has played a role in their lives. They talk through anxiety attacks, childhood trauma, medication, and long term therapy. In the second segment, they lay out a litany of stats to discuss the seriousness of mental illness within the Black community. In the third segment, Jenn and Daren go over ways to seek help and be helpful to those in our lives who may be working through mental illness issues. Articles for reference: * Clubhouse International: Key Facts About Mental Illness http://www.iccd.org/keyfacts.html * National Alliance on...2017-10-081h 11That Black Couple PodcastThat Black Couple PodcastS1E6 - The Problem With #RelationshipGoalsIn the first segment, Jenn and Daren discuss the "Black Love Documentary" that recently aired on OWN. They talk about the couples they loved, the ones they didn't, and the depictions of Black love that they hope are represented in the next season. In the second segment, they talk through why #RelationshipGoals is damaging and problematic both for those who are described with the term as well as those who use it to describe others. In the third segment, Jenn and Daren share personal stories of how #RelationshipGoals have been misapplied and how no one should aspire to have the...2017-10-011h 05That Black Couple PodcastThat Black Couple PodcastS1E5 - The Erasure of Black Women's WorkIn the first segment, Jenn and Daren discuss the Canadian Poet Laureate who stole ‘Still I Rise’ from Maya Angelou, the problem with those "Phenomenal Women" t-shirts, and the historical erasure of Black Women's work. In the second segment, they talk about the role of Black women in the workplace, very public examples of Black women’s erasure like the adaptation of Nnedi Okorafor's novel "Who Fears Death" at HBO, and the ways patriarchy also operates to shut up Black women like Jemele Hill and Munroe Bergdorf. In the third segment, Jenn and Daren reflect on their own relationships with the er...2017-09-2554 minThat Black Couple PodcastThat Black Couple PodcastHow to Support the #ThatBlackCouple PodcastIn this short primer for the podcast, Jenn and Daren give listeners a brief summary of their work at WaterCoolerConvos.com and how it informs the podcast. Listeners are encouraged to support the show through donations on Paypal.me/watercoolerconvos and Patreon.com/watercoolerconvos. Listen now to learn all the ways you can support!2017-09-1801 minThat Black Couple PodcastThat Black Couple PodcastS1E4 - “Pretty Pregnancy” and Unrealistic Expectations for Black Pregnant PeopleIn the first segment, Jenn and Daren discuss how Serena Williams and Beyonce were treated during their pregnancies. Their experiences are indicative of how Black women really are damned if they do and damned if they don’t, and pregnancy and motherhood are fraught with racial and gendered biases and innuendo. In the second segment, they talk about motherhood in very real terms. Namely, there is an immense amount of under-recognized labor that people with uteruses do when pregnant, the expectations placed on new mothers and others who give birth prove this. Pregnancy is not an accessory or a trend; it...2017-09-1151 minThat Black Couple PodcastThat Black Couple PodcastS1E3 - Coming of Age with the Toxic Masculinity of 90's Black TVIn "First Things First", we talk about how we were introduced to masculinity and the impact of growing up in single-mother households. In "The Conversation", we define toxic masculinity and give some concrete examples from television shows. Highlights include perpetually invasive stalker Stever Urkel from "Family Matters" and Overton and Kyle from "Living Single". In "The Reflection", we discuss how grateful we are to have been raised by single mothers and explain how the absence of male figures in our households helped make us who we are today. www.ThatBlackCouple.com FB: www.facebook.com/ThatBlackCouple Twitter: www.twitter.com...2017-08-301h 07That Black Couple PodcastThat Black Couple PodcastS1E2 - Talking to Children About CharlottesvilleIn this episode, we discuss the white supremacist march and rally in Charlottesville, abstinence parenting, and why it is important to be honest with kids about the political realities facing the world today. In the first segment, we talk about what happened in Charlottesville and how it affects Black families. In the second segment, we talk about an experience we had with our kids during a recent trip to Ohio that raised a debate over if racism is learned or if that even matters. We also talk about how that factors into Charlottesville. In the third segment, we reflect on...2017-08-281h 09