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Becoming the GCHands-On Leadership: How Ben Huddleston Rolls Up His Sleeves For 28 CompaniesNavigating a dynamic general counsel career demands an almost James Bond-like dedication, a hands-on leadership with the ability to embrace the unknown. Host Joe Schohl reconnects with seasoned GC Ben Huddleston, whose path spans from advising fast-growing, pre-IPO companies to building and leading group legal teams at a $6B+ enterprise like DaVita. Ben shares his candid, real-world advice on managing major M&A at Quorum Health and ultimately becoming the first General Counsel for a complex group of 28 international businesses. He dives into pivotal moments, explaining how to learn new industries on the fly and the secret to maintaining...
2026-01-2742 min
Becoming the GCFrom Litigator To Leader: David Shapiro On Seizing Opportunity And Building TeamsThe path to becoming a top executive in in-house legal leadership is rarely conventional, but always a masterclass in career agility. David Shapiro, the General Counsel who shaped legal strategy and culture at major companies like DaVita, Vail Resorts, and Ibotta, sits down to share his remarkable journey. He reveals why accepting a massive pay cut to join the Department of Justice was the pivotal move that changed his entire career trajectory. You'll learn about the intense process of leading the billion-dollar acquisition of Whistler Blackcomb at Vail Resorts. You'll also learn what it takes to guide a company...
2026-01-1343 min
Becoming the GCFrom IVF Law To Ultra-Distance Rides: Lessons In Leadership And Being Yourself From Margaret HowellTo excel in your professional spaces, you must not only learn how to do your work with persistence and determination. Being yourself at all times without trying hard is also key. Joseph Schohl sits down with Margaret Howell, a general counsel in the fertility space, to talk about the power of showing up in your authentic self. She shares how this mindset allowed her to help expand a business internationally after just one transaction. Margaret also explains the benefits of having a good contract management system and talks about her passion as an ultra-distance cyclist.
2025-12-1739 min
Becoming the GCKansas City Here I Come: Mike Geroe’s Coast-To-Coast (And In Between) Legal JourneyMichael Geroe’s legal journey saw him work from the West Coast to the East Coast, as well as a good chunk in the middle of the country. This taught him a ton of powerful career lessons, which greatly helped in building his own startup. He joins Joseph Schohl to look back on his story so far, filled with learnings about resilience, reinvention, and fulfillment. Mike also shares how he shaped himself to become an effective problem solver for his clients and found the best opportunities in the most unexpected places.Love the show? Su...
2025-12-1240 min
Becoming the GCThe Evolving Lawyer: Sterling Miller On Lessons From The Game Of LifeSterling Miller has spent decades turning real-world experience into wisdom that every lawyer can use. From his early lessons in Nebraska to leading major legal teams and mastering AI for lawyers, Sterling’s journey shows how curiosity and courage shape lasting success. In this conversation with Joseph Schohl, he reflects on the pivotal moments that defined his career—from learning to follow his own instincts to saying yes when others said no—and how his love of writing, teaching, and sharing continues to impact the legal world. Whether he’s breaking down complex ideas, mentoring the next generation, or explorin...
2025-11-2853 min
Becoming the GCThe Long-Term Impact Of Lifelong Learning With Carlos LindoWhen you land in the GC chair, you cannot sit back and relax. If you want to perform well in your role and inspire others to do the same, you must learn to embrace lifelong learning. Joseph Schohl sits down with Carlos Lindo, a newly minted general counsel at Lucet, to talk about the importance of being a constant learner who does not back down from all kinds of challenges. He explains the right way to educate your team and why being comfortable with the unconventional is the path to becoming a GC. Carlos also emphasizes the importance of...
2025-11-2141 min
Becoming the GCLeading With Authenticity: C.E. Rhodes On Clarity, Service, And Solving ProblemsAuthentic leadership starts with knowing who you are and leading from that truth. C.E. Rhodes, General Counsel of Frost Bank, shares how purpose, empathy, and consistency have guided his journey from early influences to executive leadership. He reflects on the lessons learned from connecting the legal function to the business, mentoring others with humility, and showing up as the same person in every room. His story is a testament to the idea that authentic leadership isn’t about position or power—it’s about integrity, humanity, and staying grounded in what matters most. Love th...
2025-11-1450 min
Becoming the GCBeyond the Law: Chuck Kable on Bold Moves, Legal Innovation, and Leading with HeartA general counsel’s work, even though not without its fair share of challenges, is truly a worthwhile one. Joseph Schohl is joined by Chuck Kable, Chief Legal Officer and Secretary at Innovative Renal Care, who shares his career path from litigation to in-house counsel. Looking back to his numerous GC positions, he discusses how this legal role has evolved over the years, particularly with the adoption of AI technologies. Chuck also talks about the importance of being uncomfortable with uncertainty, the right way to manage your time efficiently, and why continuous learning is essential in growing as an ef...
2025-11-0740 min
Becoming the GCFrom the Ballpark to the Boardroom: Bart Peach on Leadership, Legal Mastery, and Thriving In-HouseWorking as a lawyer in an in-house context is not a topic you would encounter in law school. Bart Peach, General Counsel and Chief Compliance Officer at Unio Health Partners, joins Joseph Schohl to share a glimpse of his legal career as an in-house counsel. He shares what every GC should know about this kind of job and how to prepare for it, from being open to leveraging AI tools to understanding your target client’s motivations and fears. Bart also shares how a GC can achieve true work-life balance despite their busy schedules and how to earn your te...
2025-10-3143 min
Becoming the GCNavigating The GC Role: From Law Firm Partner To In-House Leader With David KatzThe GC role today demands more than legal expertise—it requires vision, adaptability, and business acumen. In this insightful discussion, David Katz, a seasoned legal professional, shares his unconventional journey from a long-standing law firm partner to a thriving General Counsel. Discover the pivotal moments that shaped his career, the challenges and triumphs of transitioning in-house, and his valuable advice for aspiring GCs. Join us as we explore the evolution of the legal landscape, the impact of technology, and the mindset essential for success in today’s dynamic business environment.Love the show? Subscribe, rate...
2025-10-1542 min
Becoming the GCNavigating The Complexities Of Healthcare Law & Leadership With Terri CammaranoBlending legal expertise with strategic leadership is paramount in the complex realm of healthcare administration. In this episode, we're privileged to feature Terri Cammarano, Senior Vice President of Legal Affairs and General Counsel at Cedars-Sinai, a distinguished figure in California's healthcare landscape. Terri shares her extraordinary journey from law firm partnership to becoming a leading in-house counsel, discussing her hiring criteria for legal talent and the potential impact of the upcoming LA Olympics on healthcare. From her initial passion for policy and politics to mastering the intricacies of big law and the art of executive diplomacy, Terri's story is...
2025-05-2833 min
Becoming the GCBiotech Leadership: How Jean Liu Mastered The Shift From GC To Board RolesBiotech leadership requires a unique blend of scientific acumen, legal expertise, and business savvy, a combination that our guest Jean Liu embodies perfectly. In this episode, we dive deep with Jean, a biotech executive and seasoned board member with a robust scientific background and over 20 years of experience as a chief legal officer, including her roles at Halozyme and CJ Inc. Jean shares her unique journey from molecular biology to law school, and ultimately, to the boardroom, discussing how her scientific training shaped her legal career and how her GC experience now informs her approach to board service. We...
2025-05-1441 min
Becoming the GCExpanding Globally: Hemang Shah Shares Expertise In Corporate Law And Cross-Border TransactionsUnderstanding the complexities of corporate law is crucial for businesses aiming for global expansion, and our guest, Hemang Shah, offers a unique perspective on both. In this episode, we dive deep with Hemang, a partner at Jones Day, who brings a wealth of experience from his time as one of the youngest general counsels of a major publicly traded company in Australia, Gloucester Coal, listed on the Australian Securities Exchange. Hemang shares his journey from in-house counsel to global law firm partner, offering invaluable insights on cross-border transactions, strategic legal matters, and the challenges of leadership in an international...
2025-04-3032 min
Legal LeadersEP 25: Joseph Schohl - 5x Chief Legal Officer / General Counsel & Founder of General Counsel WestJoseph Schohl is a five-time General Counsel and former Fortune 500 CLO who became a public company GC by the age of 35. Over the course of his career, he’s held leadership roles at Baxter Healthcare, DaVita Kidney Care, and Radiology Partners, while also building a reputation for empowering the next generation of in-house counsel.Joe is the founder of his own firm, General Counsel West, which provides strategic legal support to healthcare companies. He also created the Inside Counsel Academy—a program designed to help in-house lawyers think like business leaders and grow into effe...
2025-04-1749 min
In-House Counsel ChroniclesEpisode #7 In-House Counsel Chronicles Podcast with Joe Schohl, Growth-Focused Healthcare General CounselIn this episode of In-House Counsel Chronicles, host Shawna Rosner speaks with Joe Schohl, a seasoned General Counsel with over 20 years of experience in the healthcare sector. Joe shares his journey to becoming a General Counsel before the age of 40, outlining the seven key steps he took to achieve this goal. He discusses the differences between working in public and private companies, the importance of leadership in uncertain times, and the impact of AI on the legal profession. Joe also introduces his new initiative, Insight Council Academy, aimed at training in-house counsel to navigate the evolving legal landscape.
2025-04-0927 min
Becoming the GCLessons In Leadership For In-House Counsel with Christy CraseChristy Crase shares her remarkable journey to becoming in-house counsel, transitioning from intense law firm work to leading legal teams at Professional Case Management and PCM Trials. In this episode, Christy opens up about what it takes to succeed as in-house counsel — from balancing legal risk with business growth to building a legal department from the ground up. She shares the challenges of stepping into a leadership role, learning business strategy on the fly, and how listening and adaptability became her superpowers. Whether you’re already working as in-house counsel or considering making the leap, this episode offers invaluable insi...
2025-04-0931 min
Becoming the GCWhat It Takes To Embrace A Leadership Role With Stacy BratcherEmbracing any leadership role requires not only the necessary skills or knowledge. It is also about taking initiative, building relationships, and driving actual results. Joseph Schohl welcomes Stacy Bratcher, Senior Vice President and Chief Legal Officer at Cottage Health, to discuss her journey from private practice to leading a legal team of a billion-dollar health system. She shares how she navigated career transitions, handled challenges with leading, and built a reputation for getting things done. Stacy also reveals the key habits that set her apart from other general counsels, including her approach to time management, decision-making, and team development...
2025-03-2631 min
Becoming the GCHow Intuition Fuels Home Run Decisions: Tommy Haldorsen Of Galardi GroupTrust your intuition—it's the secret to hitting home runs in your career and personal life, according to Tommy Haldorsen, General Counsel at Galardi Group, Inc. Tommy dives deep into his career journey, sharing his experiences navigating tricky transitions, unique challenges, and triumphs of legal work. He also emphasizes the power of building strong, supportive teams – a crucial ingredient for success. Beyond the office, Tommy shares his passion for coaching his children's sports teams, highlighting the importance of family and giving back to the community. Join us as Tommy proves that sometimes, the best decisions are the ones that simp...
2025-03-1237 min
Becoming the GCA Passion For Healthcare: Caren Weakley Of Sutter HealthDriven by a passion for healthcare, Caren Weakley, General Counsel of Sutter Health, shares her inspiring journey from law school to leading a major healthcare legal team. Discover how she prioritizes leadership over just legal expertise, building high-performing teams, fostering genuine relationships, and driving success. Caren highlights her career evolution, from navigating the challenges of balancing motherhood and a demanding legal career to embracing the organizational aspects of law and the importance of mentorship. Throughout, Caren's commitment to her team and her belief in the power of genuine connection shine through, offering valuable insights for aspiring and current leaders...
2025-02-2629 min
The Legal DepartmentExecutive Presence In The Legal Department Joe Schohl Inside Counsel Academy And 2x Public Company GC (E62)S is for soft skills—but what do they really mean for in-house counsel? In this episode, Inside Counsel Academy founder Joe Schohl joins Stacy Bratcher in The Legal Department to unpack executive presence—what it is, why it matters, and how to develop it for leadership success.Plus, in this special Office Hours segment, Joe tackles a tricky listener question: What should you do if your boss gives the board incorrect advice?Get expert insights and practical strategies from Inside Counsel Academy to strengthen your in-house legal career.
2025-02-1834 min
Becoming the GCBuilding A Powerful Network And Expanding Your Influence: Stephen Chu Of InStrideWhen it comes to building a powerful network and expanding your influence as a legal leader, few people embody that journey better than Stephen Chu. From his early days in big law to becoming Chief Legal and Administrative Officer at InStride, Stephen has navigated the legal world with an impressive mix of strategic thinking and adaptability. In this episode, Stephen shares the pivotal moments that shaped his path, the mindset shifts that helped him thrive, and the key leadership principles that every aspiring GC—or seasoned one looking to level up—should know. Stick around to the end for the...
2025-02-1239 min
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2025-02-0502 min
The Legal Department7 Things I Did To Become A General Counsel: Joe Schohl On His Path To The Legal Department (E8)Joe Schohl set out to become a public company GC before turning 40. He wrote this goal on a piece of paper and carried it in his pocket until he landed a General Counsel role at the nation's largest dialysis provider, Davita, at age 34. He later became Chief Legal Officer of Radiology Partners and also founded the health law firm General Counsel West, where he currently serves as Chairman. A lifelong learner, Joe recently became an ICF-certified executive coach. In this episode, he shares his journey into his first general counsel role and the lessons he learned along the way...
2023-12-1934 min