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Product Confidential: The reality of PM life!
034 | The Essence of True Agility with Johanna Rothman
Is Your Team Truly Agile or Just Faking It?In this energising episode, Evie Brockwell and Michael Palmer sits down with renowned author and consultant Johanna Rothman to unpack what real agility looks like in project management. They dive into the tell-tale signs of "fake agile," why collaboration beats rigid frameworks every time, and how feedback loops can supercharge your team’s effectiveness. Johanna brings her trademark clarity and practical wisdom, offering up actionable strategies for building self-organising teams that still deliver on...
2025-04-29
42 min
Code with Jason
243 - Johanna Rothman, Author and Consultant
Johanna Rothman shares how to overcome the isolation of remote work by rebuilding community and fostering connections. She talks about the balance between creativity and knowledge, how understanding client needs is more important than just following requests, and why value-based work often beats hourly pay. Johanna also explains how experimenting, using feedback loops, and refining ideas can lead to better results in both business and writing.
2025-01-07
1h 17
The Scaling Tech Podcast
Mastering True Agility with Johanna Rothman of Rothman Consulting Group
Fake agile is an unsuccessful way of being agile. It often creeps into organizations when teams adopt surface-level agility practices without embracing its core principles. In this episode of the Scaling Tech podcast, we dive deep into what true agility really looks like with our guest, Johanna Rothman. Johanna is known as the “Pragmatic Manager,” […]
2024-12-10
48 min
The Scaling Tech Podcast
Mastering True Agility with Johanna Rothman of Rothman Consulting Group
Fake agile is an unsuccessful way of being agile. It often creeps into organizations when teams adopt surface-level agility practices without embracing its core principles. In this episode of the Scaling Tech podcast, we dive deep into what true agility really looks like with our guest, Johanna Rothman. Johanna is known as the “Pragmatic Manager,” […]
2024-12-10
48 min
No Nonsense Leadership
#0112 - Agile Project Management with Johanna Rothman
Join Murray Robinson and Shane Gibson as they chat with Joanna Rothman about agile project management. We critique fake corporate agile and discuss the drawbacks of offshoring your development work. We talk about the importance of continuous feedback, continuous delivery and cross-functional teams and we discuss project charters, budgets, scaling, and the need to focus on outcomes rather than deliverables. Listen to the podcast on your favourite podcast app: | Spotify | Apple Podcasts | Google Podcasts | iHeart Radio | PlayerFM | Amazon Music | Listen Notes | TuneIn | Audible | Podchaser | Deezer | Podcast Addict | Connect with Johanna via...
2024-11-21
50 min
The Sean Trace Show
The Power of Baby Steps: Insights from Project Management with Johanna Rothman | The Sean Trace Show
Hey everyone, I’m thrilled to kick off Season 2 of The Sean Trace Show after a brief hiatus! Today’s guest is the incredible Johanna Rothman, a powerhouse in product development, management, and consulting. In this episode, we dive deep into how to set effective goals, the power of baby steps, and managing life’s pivots. I share some personal stories about teaching my daughter about success and navigating the challenges of work-life balance. Johanna drops wisdom on how to break down massive tasks and stay motivated during tough times. Let’s jump in and learn how to take that nex...
2024-10-02
54 min
Agile Uprising Podcast
Project Lifecycles with Johanna Rothman
This week we sit down with frequent guest Johanna Rothman to discuss her newest book, project lifecycles...does it matter what method you use, project or product? Isn't the goal to deliver value? Tune in as we discuss how to pick your value delivery methodology, in service of "what risks are we willing to swallow?" Cheers! If you enjoyed this episode, please give us a review, a rating, or leave comments on iTunes, Stitcher or your podcasting platform of choice. It really helps others find us. Much thanks to the artist from who provided us our outro music free-of-charge! If you like...
2024-04-07
43 min
Software Process and Measurement Cast
Mastering Work Intake - Principles Matter, A Conversation with Johanna Rothman, Jeremey Willets, and Tom Cagley
In the Software Process and Measurement Cast 800 Johanna Rothman takes over the podcast and interviews Jeremy Willets and me. We discussed , why principles make more sense than best practices, and how disciplined work intake is the core to getting work done. We learn that in practice, stop starting and start finishing only works when you pay attention to the work that goes into a system. Contact info: Johanna Rothman LinkedIn: Website: Jeremy Willets LinkedIn: Website: Tom Calgey LinkedIn: Website: https://tomcagley.com/ I was asked the best way to spread the word about . The single best way is to leave a review...
2024-03-24
56 min
alphalist.CTO Podcast - For CTOs and Technical Leaders
#92 - Manage yourself to better manage others feat. Johanna Rothman // The Pragmatic Manager
Self Management for CTOs and other Managers Want to become a better manager? Then manage yourself better! From managing the time you spend managing, and all the way to managing how you give your team new tasks… Let's get real with Johanna Rothman, whom they don’t call the Pragmatic Manager for nothing. You will love her straight-talking approach to management. After almost 40 years in management, she can boil down things to sharp principles that will make you either hand pump💯, shoot the link to your buddy🤣… or smile sheepishly🫣. Yip, she got you. (Don’t worry, we won’t...
2024-01-04
57 min
Software Process and Measurement Cast
Re-release SPaMCAST 635 - Practical Ways to Manage, A Conversation with Johanna Rothman
We are on our annual holiday and will return with new programs on October 22nd. The Software Process and Measurement Cast 775 is a re-release of SPaMCAST 635 - Practical Ways to Manage, A Conversation with Johanna Rothman. The show was originally released on January 24, 2021. It was one of the SPaMCAST’s many anniversary editions. Enjoy our conversation The original introduction - Cue the music . . . Happy Birthday, Software Process and Measurement Cast! Today we begin year 15 with a visit from Johanna Rothman. We talked about her THREE new books: Practical Ways to Manage Yourself: Modern Management Made Easy, Book 1 Practical Ways to Lead...
2023-10-01
41 min
The Agile Wire
Building the Right Product with Johanna Rothman
00:00 Intro 00:40 How Do You Know What Product to Build?02:30 Mass Market Products04:30 Product Market Fit vs Product for Everyone08:24 Testing Market Fit10:58 3x3 Tool for Vision14:22 Visualization Enhances Discovery and Delivery Feedback Loop15:40 Cost Accounting is Killing Agile Transformations17:00 Analysis Mindset to Feedback Mindset18:22 Live in the WHY State19:47 Optimizing Your Work Environment for Delivery21:12 Operational Agility First then Move into Strategic Agility 23:23 Know the Cost of Your Team27:13 Make the Hidden Visible
2023-08-07
30 min
Stark Reflections on Writing and Publishing
Free Your Inner Non-Fiction Writer with Johanna Rothman
Mark interviews Johanna Rothman about her latest book FREE YOUR INNER NON-FICTION WRITER. Prior to the interview, Mark shares a personal update and a word about this episode's sponsor This episode is sponsored by Mark's new book Yippee Ki-Yay Motherf*cker: A Trivia Guide to Die Hard. In the interview, Mark and Johanna talk about: Why Johanna is often called The Pragmatic Manager The thirty-years of consulting that Johanna has experience with The fact that she is not a "natural writer" Beginning to write in 1997 because she realized that speaking o...
2023-07-27
49 min
Stark Reflections on Writing and Publishing
Free Your Inner Non-Fiction Writer with Johanna Rothman
Mark interviews Johanna Rothman about her latest book FREE YOUR INNER NON-FICTION WRITER. Prior to the interview, Mark shares a personal update and a word about this episode's sponsor This episode is sponsored by Mark's new book Yippee Ki-Yay Motherf*cker: A Trivia Guide to Die Hard. In the interview, Mark and Johanna talk about: Why Johanna is often called The Pragmatic Manager The thirty-years of consulting that Johanna has experience with The fact that she is not a "natural writer" Beginning to write in 1997 because she realized that speaking o...
2023-07-27
49 min
The Agile Wire
Successful Independent Consulting with Johanna Rothman
00:00 Intro00:22 Virtual vs In-Person01:52 New Book - Successful Independent Consulting: Relationships That Focus on Mutual Benefit03:49 Payment Terms - Don't give interest free loans11:45 Manual for Independent Consulting14:00 There is no slack fairy (sales, marketing, learning are required)20:30 Know your unique value25:18 How do you get started? - Build your personal brand28:15 Public Speaking for introverts and extroverts30:30 Successful Independent Consulting32:07 OutroSuccessful Independent Consulting: Relationships That Focus on Mutual Benefit - https://www...
2023-07-24
32 min
Test & Code
204: Free Your Inner Nonfiction Writer - Johanna Rothman
Learn how to write nonfiction fast and well.Johanna Rothman joins the show to discuss writing nonfiction.Johanna's book: Free Your Inner Nonfiction Writer Help support the show AND learn pytest: The Complete pytest course is now a bundle, with each part available separately.pytest Primary Power teaches the super powers of pytest that you need to learn to use pytest effectively.Using pytest with Projects has lots of "when you need it" sections like debugging failed tests, mocking, testing strategy, and CIThen pytest Booster Rockets can help with advanced parametrization and b...
2023-07-18
38 min
Software Process and Measurement Cast
Successful Independent Consulting, A Conversation with Johanna Rothman
In Software Process and Measurement Cast 764 we feature my conversation with Johanna Rothman. We discussed her new book Successful Independent Consulting. Well, we started there and then hit topics like personal value and the impact of success. This might be the eleventy-first conversation I have had with Johanna, and each time I look forward to our time together with anticipation. They are always like attending a master class. Buy a copy of Successful Independent Consulting. Available everywhere including: Leanpub: Amazon: Johanna’s Bio: Johanna Rothman, known as the “Pragmatic Manager,” offers frank advice for your thorny problems. She helps leaders and teams l...
2023-07-16
38 min
Agile and Project Management - DrunkenPM Radio
Successful Independent Consulting W Johanna Rothman
Johanna Rothman is one of my favorite people to interview and in this episode, she’s back to talk about her new book Successful Independent Consulting: Relationships That Focus on Mutual Benefit. The book is full of insights and practical tips not just for consultants but anyone looking to establish themself and make their presence known in their profession. The conversation also covers the book she published last year, Free Your Inner Nonfiction Writer: Educate, Influence, and Entertain Your Readers because a big part of making your presence known is making sure your voice is heard. What's great about Johanna's bo...
2023-07-10
47 min
kristatson
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2023-02-14
00 min
Uncommon Leadership
Catch people doing something right: Johanna Rothman
Johanna catches people doing things right. Sometimes, she recognizes that's what she is doing. Always funny—and always frank, Johanna "The Pragmatic Manager" Rothman helps leaders like you see simple and reasonable things that might work. We talk about the power of catching people doing things right. We talk about the power of reinforcing loops. And we talk about helping people break out of constraints that may seem unbreakable. Connect with Johanna at jrothman.com, https://twitter.com/johannarothman, and https://www.linkedin.com/in/johannarothman/. P...
2022-11-28
41 min
Agile and Project Management - DrunkenPM Radio
Distributed Teams and the Five Lenses w Mark Kilby
Distributed Teams are never easy. It doesn’t matter if you are separated by one flight of stairs or 12 time zones. Forming and maintaining a cohesive, collaborative team that can support one another, consistently deliver, and continuously improve is always just a little bit tougher when you are not in the same physical space. The pandemic has offered all of us plenty of “opportunities” to find ways to improve how we form and function in a distributed way. But here’s the thing, even when you’ve been doing this stuff for years, it is tough. Experience can help guide you and sh...
2022-06-01
59 min
Virtually Agile
S3 - E6 - Johanna Rothman - Modern management myths
This episode I was joined by Johanna Rothman, the 'Pragmatic Manager', author of 19 books, speaker & consultant In this 47 min episode, we spoke about some of the myths managers face from her book 'Modern Management made Easy'. This included; - Comparisons between teams - Needing estimates to plan - The quest for 100% utilisation
2022-05-13
47 min
Agile Caravanserai
Johanna Rothman
Johanna Rothman, also known as the “Pragmatic Manager,” is a coach, consultant, speaker, and advisor. Johanna offers frank advice for tough problems with managing projects, programs, and project portfolios. Essentially, Johanna helps leaders and teams do reasonable things that work. Johanna started her career in software engineering. She started managing cross-functional projects in 1979, then managing programs in 1988. She founded the Rothman Consulting Group, Inc. in 1994. She has had a virtual team long before 2020! Additionally, Johanna is the author of 18 books (non-fiction & fiction) and hundreds of articles. She works on a monthly newsletter, and blogs regularly at jrot...
2022-02-01
12 min
Software Process and Measurement Cast
Meta Cast and Product Owners and Work Entry, Essays and Conversations
SPaMCAST 684 posts on January 2nd, 2022. The new year evokes both retrospection and expectations for the future. 2021 was quite the year; SPaMCAST 635 marked the beginning of our 15th year of publishing with a conversation with Johanna Rothman (SPaMCAST 635 - Practical Ways to Manage, A Conversation with Johanna Rothman). That was our most downloaded cast of 2021. In late August I lost a podcast . . . (a summer rerun), SPaMCAST 668 has attained the status of the Lost Show. Somehow while I was backpacking on Isle Royale the preprogrammed show failed to post. I have a backup but it is more fun to have a lost cas...
2022-01-02
16 min
#AgileWay
Johanna Rothman – Modern Management
In this episode of #AgileWay podcast I have a conversation with Johanna Rothman, known as the “Pragmatic Manager,” who offers frank advice for your tough problems. She helps leaders and teams do reasonable things that work. Equipped with that knowledge, they can decide how to adapt their product development. Today we talked about her favourite topic of modern management. This podcast is sponsored by “Emergence” Journal of Business Agility. Four times a year, it brings together a curated selection of exclusive stories by great thinkers and practitioners from around the globe. Subscribe for Emergence Journal and get ...
2021-11-17
29 min
Drunk Agile
Episode 37 -Johanna Rothman Part Deux - More Bigger Aging
Johanna Rothman comes back to visit Nisha, Dan and Prateek to talk about more aspects of aging. More whisky, more insights, more bigger aging.
2021-11-13
35 min
People and Projects Podcast: Project Management Podcast
PPP 337 | How Hands On Should You Stay? Johanna Rothman on Management
Managing Projects and Teams One of my favorite voices in the world of leading and delivering is Johanna Rothman. I’ve had the pleasure of knowing Johanna for a couple of decades now and throughout that time she’s been a clear voice in how I think about managing teams and projects. And her writing, coaching, and consulting have helped project teams around the world. In this episode, she joins us to talk about her new book series entitled Modern Management Made Easy. It’s a series of 3 books that address some pervasive myths about manage...
2021-09-15
43 min
Software Crafts Podcast
Interview with Johanna Rothman
Today we host Johanna Rothman, and she is challenged with the heuristic “Get the team in a rhythm” from the Xebia Essentials repository (https://essentials.xebia.com/team-rhythm/). She starts explaining how the team rhythm and feedback cycles are connected and can strengthen each other. We discuss the role of a manager, and also how the managers should operate as a team, rather than be an extension of a team. Last but not the least, she shares her experiences with agile leadership, where it is necessary to move between discovery and delivery modes. And she left us with a heur...
2021-08-04
42 min
Engineering Culture by InfoQ
Johanna Rothman on Modern Management Made Easy
In this podcast Shane Hastie, Lead Editor for Culture & Methods, spoke to Johanna Rothman about her seven principles of modern management, reward and incentive systems, multiple career ladders and ways to experiment with decisions for rapid feedback. Read a transcript of this interview: https://bit.ly/3AWqfOt Subscribe to our newsletters: - The InfoQ weekly newsletter: bit.ly/24x3IVq - The Software Architects’ Newsletter [monthly]: www.infoq.com/software-architects-newsletter/ Upcoming Virtual Events - events.infoq.com/ InfoQ Live: live.infoq.com/ - July 20, 2021 - August 17, 2021 Follow InfoQ: - Twitter: twitter.com/InfoQ - LinkedIn: www.linkedin.com/company/infoq ...
2021-07-16
30 min
Drunk Agile
Episode 25 - A Conversation With Johanna Rothman
Dan and Prateek have a conversation with Johanna Rothman about management, teams, flow, agile and averages. Find out why managers need to watch their own cycle times!
2021-06-24
42 min
Agile.FM
118 - Johanna Rothman
Joe Krebs speaks through the lens of a manager with Johanna Rothman about micro-management, engagement, workspace, psychological safety, 1:1’s and feedback loops for managers.Johanna is the author of the “Practical Ways…” books series.
2021-04-05
48 min
The Agile Within
Behaviors create an Agile Culture with Johanna Rothman
Known as the “Pragmatic Manager," Johanna offers frank advice for tough culture problems. In this episode, we chat a bit about her new book, Modern Management Made Easy, a three volume set. Johanna explains why no one's intentions are enough to create an agile culture. Only our behaviors can create that culture. Which behaviors does the environment encourage? And which behaviors does the environment discourage? That's the culture. So come on in, and find out how Johanna can help your company move its culture in the right direction. And don't forget to listen for how to win a cop...
2021-04-05
56 min
Agile and Project Management - DrunkenPM Radio
Johanna Rothman - Using Personal Kanban to Manage Your Job Search - July 2013
This interview was originally recorded in July 2013 and posted to Projects at Work. The original blog post and posting of the recording were lost when P@W became part of Project Management.com. BUT Johanna is brilliant and I learn a ton from her every time we talk. Also, Personal Kanban is REALLY important. So I found the original post and am reposting to fix the broken link on my index of Personal Kanban blog posts and podcast. (Which you can find here: https://drunkenpm.blogspot.com/2014/10/summary-of-personal-kanban-posts-for.html) This conversation centers around one of the topics in Johanna's book...
2021-03-26
40 min
Badass Agile
Badass Conversations – Johanna Rothman – Author, Speaker and Consultant
My special guest this week is Johanna Rothman, renowned author, speaker and consultant. In this episode, we discuss her most recent release - "Modern Management Made Easy" includes three volumes - Practical Ways to Manage Yourself, Practical Ways to Lead and Serve Others, and Practical Ways to Lead an Innovative Organization. You can find Johanna online at https://www.jrothman.com/ ***JOIN THE FORGE***Sign up for more info about our online leadership immersion experience.https://badassagile.com/the-forge/****** Join the Badass Agile Club on Clubhouse!!! and Don't forget to join us in the Badass Agile Listener Lounge on Facebook for...
2021-03-12
42 min
Podcast – Badass Agile
Badass Conversations – Johanna Rothman – Author, Speaker and Consultant
My special guest this week is Johanna Rothman, renowned author, speaker and consultant. In this episode, we discuss her most recent release – “Modern Management Made Easy” includes three volumes – Practical Ways to Manage Yourself, Practical Ways to Lead and Serve Others, and Practical Ways to Lead an Innovative Organization. You can find Johanna online at https://www.jrothman.com/ ***JOIN THE FORGE***Sign up for more info about our online leadership immersion experience.https://badassagile.com/the-forge/****** Join the Badass Agile Club on Clubhouse!!! and Don’t forget to join us in...
2021-03-12
42 min
Maintainable
Johanna Rothman: No, Great Developers Aren't Destined to Be Great Managers
Robby speaks with Johanna Rothman, President at Rothman Consulting Group, Inc. They discuss traits of healthy teams, how to respond to colleagues who vent and/or complain to you, and strategies for growing a team. Johanna also talks about the importance of understanding that moving into management is a career change vs a promotion.Helpful LinksJohanna on LinkedInJohanna on TwitterJohanna's Website[Book Recommendation] 7 Rules for Positive, Productive Change, Ester Derby[Book Recommendation] The No Asshole Rule, Robert I. Sutton, PhDSubscribe to Maintainable on:Apple PodcastsOvercastSpotifyOr search "Maintainable" wherever you stream...
2021-03-02
54 min
Agile Amped Podcast - Inspiring Conversations
Modern Management Made Easy
Johanna Rothman, a.k.a. the Pragmatic Manager, is author of 18 books and frequent blogger on the topic of product management and more. Rothman shares with us insights about her latest three-book bundle on “Modern Management Made Easy.” These books are full of “the kinds of questions I keep hearing from my clients.” Each chapter begins with a question followed by a popular myth and then many different options for managing oneself, others, and one’s system to be more effective at work. “We are now in the hard work of trying to help entire organizations change their entire cultures… An...
2021-02-22
26 min
Hanselminutes with Scott Hanselman
Modern Management Made Easy with Johanna Rothmann
Johanna Rothman has been in software and management for many years and she's taken what she knows about managing teams and put it into a great three-volume set "Modern Management Made Easy." She covers not just managing organizations, managing teams, but also managing yourself. Scott talks to Johanna about the trials and tribulations of management and how Johanna's insights can help.https://www.jrothman.com/Buy the 3 pack of Modern Management Made Easy
2021-02-11
32 min
The Agile Wire
Modern Management Made Easy with Johanna Rothman
Johanna Rothman is an Agile consultant and rampant author (18 books!) including three just released on Management. Check out the full show notes at TheAgileWire.com YouTube: https://youtu.be/qFaa4gE42RM
2021-02-08
1h 13
Agile Coaches' Corner
Don’t Get Your Agile Shorts in a Knot
Oftentimes, those who practice agility will turn their nose up at teams or companies that are not doing agile perfectly. And though the agile practices are important and are great pathways to success, many teams and companies often find ways that work for them that are not perfect agile. In this conversation, Dan and Sam highlight some of the ways in which companies and teams find what works for them, why perfect practicing agility isn’t the end-all-be-all, share the key characteristics for succeeding in agile, and, most importantly: why you shouldn’t be getting your agile shorts in a kn...
2021-02-05
31 min
The Agile Coffee Podcast
75. Managing with Coffee
Johanna Rothman (@JohannaRothman), Chris Hurney (@chris_hurney) and Ben Rodilitz (@benrodilitz) join Vic (@AgileCoffee) at a virtual coffee shop to discuss topics related to Making Management Easy. Modern Management Made Easy, a Three-Volume Set (new books) by Johanna Rothman Please HELP support us by becoming a Patron: patreon.com/agilecoffee Agile Coffee is Proud to be a part of the Agile Podcast Network Looking for MORE Scrum videos? We've got you covered. Tune in!
2021-02-03
56 min
Agile Coaches' Corner
Modern Management Made Easy with Johanna Rothman
This week, Dan Neumann is excited to be joined by Johanna Rothman — also known as the Pragmatic Manager. Johanna is a management consultant for managers and leaders. She helps leaders identify their problems and seize the opportunities that they know exist — but just can’t find yet. She also provides assessments, workshops and training, coaching, speaking, and facilitation. Additionally, Johanna is also an author of some incredible books on the topics of amplifying your effectiveness, hiring, management, agility, scaling collaboration, and more. Most recently, Johanna released a triad of management books called, Modern Management Made Easy. T...
2021-01-29
40 min
A conversation with Agility by Nature
A conversation with Johanna Rothman and Agility by Nature (Ian Gill)
Johanna Rothman - Management is Easy: Myth busting for thoroughly modern managers.Actually, management is not easy and managers are real people trying to do a good job.Fortunately, Johanna Rothman, self confessed Queen of the Career Limiting Conversations, has poured a great deal of direct, practical experience in managing yourself , others and the innovative organisation with three new books:Practical Ways to Manage YourselfPractical Ways to Lead & Serve (Manage) OthersPractical Ways to Lead an Innovative OrganisationJohanna outlines the common principles sha...
2021-01-29
50 min
Software Process and Measurement Cast
SPaMCAST 635 - Practical Ways to Manage, A Conversation with Johanna Rothman
Cue the music . . . Happy Birthday, Software Process and Measurement Cast! Today we begin year 15 with a visit from Johanna Rothman. We talked about her THREE new books: Practical Ways to Manage Yourself: Modern Management Made Easy, Book 1 Practical Ways to Lead & Serve (Manage) Others: Modern Management Made Easy, Book 2 - Practical Ways to Lead an Innovative Organization: Modern Management Made Easy, Book 3 - We of course covered more ground. For example about 2/3rds of the way through we talked about why the word experiment is a dirty word in most organizations. This is a longer interview, but when I grow up I...
2021-01-24
40 min
Troubleshooting Agile
Johanna Rothman on Modern Management: Part II
The fabulous Johanna Rothman, author of 18 books on tech and management, joins us for part II to describe what modern management is and how empathy, safety, and purpose can motivate and inspire your agile team. SHOW LINKS: - Johanna: jrothman.com , createadaptablelife.com - Behind Closed Doors: https://www.jrothman.com/books/behind-closed-doors-secrets-of-great-management/ - Modern Management Made Easy: https://leanpub.com/b/modernmanagementmadeeasy - Bob Sutton on friction: https://www.bobsutton.net/friction-project/ - Lindsay Holmwood on management as a career change: https://fractio.nl/2014/09/19/not-a-promotion-a-career-change/ --- Our new book, Agile Conversations, is out now! See https://conversationaltransformation.com where...
2021-01-20
25 min
Troubleshooting Agile
Johanna Rothman on Modern Management - Part I
The fabulous Johanna Rothman, author of 18 books on tech and management, joins us to describe what modern management is and how empathy, safety, and purpose can motivate and inspire your agile team. SHOW LINKS: - Johanna: jrothman.com , createadaptablelife.com - Behind Closed Doors: https://www.jrothman.com/books/behind-closed-doors-secrets-of-great-management/ - Modern Management Made Easy: https://leanpub.com/b/modernmanagementmadeeasy - Bob Sutton on friction: https://www.bobsutton.net/friction-project/ - Lindsay Holmwood on management as a career change: https://fractio.nl/2014/09/19/not-a-promotion-a-career-change/ --- Our new book, Agile Conversations, is out now! See https://conversationaltransformation.com where you can order...
2021-01-13
21 min
Legacy Code Rocks
Celebrating Our 5th Anniversary with Johanna Rothman
Even before the COVID-19 pandemic changed the way we work and communicate, some people expected remote work to become more popular. The thought was, however, that the transition will be done by choice, not by force! Today we talk with Johanna Rothmann, a management consultant, speaker, and author of over a dozen reference books on management, agile, team-building, and software development. Just a year before the first lockdown orders descended on the cities around the world, Johanna published with Mark Kilby a fantastic guide on managing remote teams: From Chaos to Successful Distributed Agile Teams: Collaborate to D...
2020-12-14
36 min
Agile and Project Management - DrunkenPM Radio
Johanna Rothman vs. the Pandemic
Johanna Rothman is a force of nature. Every year, in addition to her work teaching, coaching, blogging, and speaking, she writes a book. Well, most years. This year there is a pandemic. Johanna has written five! I think if you are lucky, you can find people in your industry that you look up to, people who inspire you to dig in a little harder and rise. If you are really lucky, you get to meet these people and know them a little. And if you are really, really, really lucky, they are super fun to interview. This podcast includes a...
2020-10-22
1h 09
Engineering Culture by InfoQ
Johanna Rothman & Mark Kilby on Their Book From Chaos to Successful Distributed Agile Teams
In this podcast recorded at Agile 2019, Shane Hastie, Lead Editor for Culture & Methods, spoke to Johanna Rothman & Mark Kilby about their book From Chaos to Successful Distributed Agile Teams Why listen to this podcast: • There are important mindset shifts that are needed to help enable distributed teams to be effective • You can’t take practices and approaches that are designed for co-located teams and apply them to distributed teams without adapting them to the new context • Distributed teams need to identify and align on their hours of overlap • Transparency and experimentation are important for a distributed team to build their culture •...
2020-03-30
30 min
Comparative Agility
Agile Distributed Teams with Johanna Rothman and Mark Kilby
This month I was lucky enough to sit down and talk with Johanna Rothman and Mark Kilby , the authors of the book “From Chaos to Successful Distributed Agile Teams: Collaborate to Deliver”. Distributed agile teams have a terrible reputation. They don’t deliver “on time,” and too often, they don’t deliver what the customer needs. However, most agile teams have at least one remote team member. And, agile approaches are here to stay. Why is this important? Distributed teams are becoming more normal. With the global nature of business and the recent need...
2020-03-14
1h 03
Product Momentum Podcast
21 / A Pragmatic Approach to Product Management
Imagine a colleague asks you to describe the software product manager role. Where would you begin? So few of us actually studied this stuff in college, and the field is evolving every day. How can we hope to explain it when we’re not even sure we’re doing it right? We deliver MVPs for MVAs. We set goals using OKRs and KPIs. And we apply a host of methodologies to build all this incredible software. But in the midst of all the jargon, it’s easy to lose sight of our greater purpose. This is where Johanna Rothman comes i...
2020-02-25
30 min
Lean On Agile (& Elevate Change) Show
A Practical Guide to Speaking at Conferences, with Johanna Rothman
For the second episode, Shahin had the honor to talk with Johanna on the topic of Speaking at Conferences, tips and tricks on it and how to become a better one. She recently wrote the book "Write a Conference Proposal the Conference Wants and Accepts". We discussed the book as well. If you are thinking of starting your speaking journey, We recommend to listen to the show and highly recommend to read her book. Johanna Rothman, known as the “Pragmatic Manager,” provides frank advice for your tough problems. She helps leaders and teams see and solve their prob...
2020-01-20
40 min
Technology Leadership Podcast Review
An Honest Look In The Mirror
Johanna Rothman on Programming Leadership, Thomas “Tido” Carriero on Product Love, Adam Davidson on Lead From The Heart, Josh Wills on Software Engineering Daily, and Amitai Schleier on Programming Leadership. I’d love for you to email me with any comments about the show or any suggestions for podcasts I might want to feature. Email podcast@thekguy.com. And, if you haven’t done it already, don’t forget to hit the subscribe button, and if you like the show, please tell a friend or co-worker who might be interested. This episode covers the five podcast ep...
2020-01-20
13 min
Time Limit
025 - Johanna Rothman on Managing Distributed Teams
“The nice thing about people being away from you is that you cannot micromanage them. That actually frees you up as a manager to go and do the stuff you need to do.” There’s no doubt that where you work will impact how you work. In an age where remote work has become more and more popular, you’ve probably explored how you can manage projects and people from afar. In this episode of Time Limit, management consultant and author Johanna Rothman joins us to talk all about remote work. The conversation ranges from theoretic...
2020-01-13
41 min
Programming Leadership
Becoming a Better Manager Means Starting with Yourself with Johanna Rothman
To be a modern manager, you must manage yourself first. In this episode of Programming Leadership, Marcus and his guest, Johanna Rothman discuss how you must learn to manage yourself to be effective at managing other people. They will discuss some common mistakes managers make and some important values to instill in yourself that will make you a better manager, such as integrity, vulnerability, and congruence. Show Notes If we don't manage ourselves, we don't have the capability of managing other people. @2:42 Micromanagement comes from fear and that fear is out of incongruence. @3:07 Blame cut...
2019-12-19
00 min
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Collaborating Across Time Zones: A Conversation with Johanna Rothman
Johanna Rothman, known as the “Pragmatic Manager,” chats with TechWell Community Manager Owen Gotimer about mobbing and pairing with distributed teams, collaborating across time zones, and why soft skills are actually hard to learn. Continue the conversation with Johanna and Owen on the TechWell Hub (hub.techwell.com/)! Music by LiQWYD: @liqwyd www.instagram.com/liqwyd www.spoti.fi/2RPd66h www.bit.ly/youtubeliqwyd
2019-09-09
38 min
LeadingAgile SoundNotes: an Agile Podcast
Agile 2019 Day 1: The Management Mindset w/Johanna Rothman
Last week, the biggest conference in the Agile industry took place in Washington DC at the Gaylord National Resort & Convention Center. We were proud to be a sponsor of this event and we were even more excited about catching up with friends—both old and new. For those of you who couldn't make it to the conference, here's a live-stream of our podcast from our booth in the Prince George Exhibitor Hall. We had a chance to talk to a lot of really smart and interesting people while we were there; some who were speaking at the co...
2019-08-15
00 min
Agile Coaches' Corner
From Chaos to Successful Distributed Agile Teams with Johanna Rothman and Mark Kilby
Joining Dan Neumann today are Johanna Rothman and Mark Kilby! In case you don’t already know them, Johanna Rothman is known as the “Pragmatic Manager” and is the author of 14 books (and counting)! Through her management consulting, she helps managers and leaders create projects, teams, and organizations that work. Mark Kilby is an agile mentor and coach, playing many roles on the software and product lifecycle stage. His passions include serving servant leaders and building sustainable organizations that bring value to the people inside and outside the organization. Recently, Mark and Johanna have collaborated on the...
2019-07-26
37 min
DistantJob Podcast
E26: From Chaos to Agility with Mark Kilby and Johanna Rothman
Mark Kilby is a seasoned agile coach, and co-founder of several North-American Agile communities. Johanna Rothman is a prolific author, management expert, and teacher of best management practices. Both are experienced software engineers, and by their powers combined, they are the co-authors of the newest book about remote agile: “From Chaos to Successful Distributed Agile Teams.” In this episode, we go through their experience with writing the book, and take a long, hard look at the common pitfalls that remote teams face – and where adopting Agile principles might help. We discuss how to promote cross-functionality; how to “sell” ma...
2019-06-24
1h 04
With Great People: High-Performance Teams
Johanna Rothman: There Was This Buzz in the Organization
There Was This Buzz in the Organization Richard Kasperowski interviews Johanna Rothman. Johanna is known as the Pragmatic Manager—that’s the name of her email newsletter, where she shares her thinking on practical pragmatic approaches to hiring people, looking for a job, and managing projects, programs, and portfolios. Johanna talks about the best team of her life and the energy they felt together. Connect with Johanna at https://www.jrothman.com/. Read the full transcript at https://kasperowski.com/podcast-21-johanna-rothman. To support this podcast, subscribe to Richard’s newsletter at https://kasperowski.com.
2019-04-16
21 min
With Great People: The Podcast for High-Performance Teams
Johanna Rothman: There Was This Buzz in the Organization
There Was This Buzz in the Organization Richard Kasperowski interviews Johanna Rothman. Johanna is known as the Pragmatic Manager—that’s the name of her email newsletter, where she shares her thinking on practical pragmatic approaches to hiring people, looking for a job, and managing projects, programs, and portfolios. Johanna talks about the best team of her life and the energy they felt together. Connect with Johanna at https://www.jrothman.com/. Read the full transcript at https://kasperowski.com/podcast-21-johanna-rothman. To support this podcast, subscribe to Richard’s newsletter at https://kasperowski.com.
2019-04-16
21 min
Agile and Project Management - DrunkenPM Radio
Successful Distributed Agile Teams w/ Johanna Rothman and Mark Kilby
This podcast features an interview with Johanna Rothman and Mark Kilby about their new book "From Chaos to Successful Distributed Agile Teams: Collaborate to Deliver" (https://tinyurl.com/yyrbhcrz). Distributed Teams present challenges for any group of people trying to work together. This is true in a traditional approach to project work, but maybe even more so in an Agile approach, where many of the frameworks are based on the idea of co-location. The challenges distributed teams face are present regardless of whether you are separated by 12 time zones or by a single flight of stairs. It can absolutely work...
2019-04-15
51 min
Software Process and Measurement Cast
From Chaos to Successful Distributed Agile Teams, An Interview with Mark Kilby and Johanna Rothman
SPaMCAST 540 features our interview Mark Kilby and Johanna Rothman. Johanna, Mark, and I discussed their new book, (Buy your copy here: https). Distributed agile teams are a fact of life; Johanna and Mark provide an extraordinary amount of wisdom for making distributed teams exceptional. Johanna’s Bio Johanna Rothman, known as the “Pragmatic Manager,” provides frank advice for your tough problems. She helps leaders and teams see problems, resolve risks, and manage their product development. Johanna was the Agile 2009 conference chair and was the co-chair of the first edition of the Agile Practice Guide. Johanna is the author of 14 books that ran...
2019-03-31
39 min
Agile.FM
077 - Johanna Rothman and Mark Kilby
Joe Krebs speaks with Johanna Rothman and Mark Kilby about working with distributed teams.We touched on self-organization, working agreements, celebrations, virtual water coolers, tools and Scrum Master facilitation techniques in an distributed or dispersed environment.
2019-03-15
36 min
Legacy Code Rocks
Project Management with Johanna Rothman
Johanna Rothman is a “pragmatic manager” and longtime leader in the software development community. She has written over a dozen books on various aspects of shipping successful software applications. On this episode, Johanna shares with us how she got into working with legacy code, how long does it take for a greenfield project to become a legacy project, do the resource limitations constrain or boost creativity and what is the role of management in a creative process. When you finish listening to the episode, you can check out Johanna’s website at www.jrothman.com where you will find an amaz...
2019-03-11
46 min
Technology Leadership Podcast Review
Managers, leaders, A/B testers, and bloodletters
Courtney Eckhardt on Greater Than Code, Teresa Torres on Product Love, Johanna Rothman on Developer On Fire, Jeff Patton on Scrum Master Toolbox, and Jeff Gothelf on Scrum Master Toolbox. I'd love for you to email me with any comments about the show or any suggestions for podcasts I might want to feature. Email podcast@thekguy.com. This episode covers the five podcast episodes I found most interesting and wanted to share links to during the two weeks period starting January 7, 2019. These podcast episodes may have been released much earlier, but this was the week...
2019-01-18
07 min
Developer On Fire
Episode 402 | Johanna Rothman - Learning and Delivering
Guest: Johanna Rothman @johannarothman Full show notes are at https://developeronfire.com/podcast/episode-402-johanna-rothman-learning-and-delivering
2018-12-24
00 min
AgileToolkit Podcast
Johanna Rothman - Agile2018
Johanna Rothman joins the podcast at Agile2018 and discusses her sessions: You Have to Say More There: Effective Communication in a Distributed Agile Team and Agile and Lean Roadmapping: Incorporating Change at Every Level of Product Planning. Connect with Johanna and Bob on Twitter.
2018-11-02
00 min
Being Human
#25 It‘s The Flow That Counts - with Johanna Rothman
> Sign Up For Our Newsletter: http://www.firsthuman.com/being-human-newsletter/ A conversation with with author and Agile luminary, Johanna Rothman. We discuss: - Her latest nonfiction work - The problem with our old ideas of 'resource efficiency' - and why 'flow efficiency' is more useful - The issue with the idea of 'performance' for knowledge workers - 'Swarming and mobbing' - Her first-hand experience of gender pay disparity - Why timely feedback matters - Her issue with the title "ScrumMaster" - Her take on leadership Being Human i...
2018-09-14
1h 18
LeadingAgile SoundNotes: an Agile Podcast
Live from Agile 2018 w/ Johanna Rothman and Mark Kilby
Mark and Johanna Co-Presented a talk at Agile 2018 entitled: You have to Say More There: Effective Communication in a Distributed Agile Team Their book is called From Chaos to Successful Distributed Agile Teamsit can be purchased on LeanPub Johanna led another session at Agile 2018: Agile and Lean Roadmapping Mark also led an additional session at Agile 2018: Agile Distributed Teams—Oxymoron or Option? Contact Info Johanna: jrothman.com/Twitter Mark: markkilby.com /Twitter
2018-09-04
19 min
Engineering Culture by InfoQ
Remembering Jerry Weinberg with Johanna Rothman and Esther Derby
In this podcast Shane Hastie, Lead Editor for Culture & Methods, spoke to Johanna Rothman and Esther Derby about their memories of Gerald M. (Jerry) Weinberg who passed away on the 7th of August 2018. Why listen to this podcast: • Jerry Weinberg was a highly respected thinker and author • He was instrumental in defining some of the key elements of systems thinking and quality practices for software development • The rule of three – one option is a trap, two is a dilemma and three breaks logjam thinking to enable creativity • “It’s always a human problem” • Jerry inspired people to look at things in different ways ...
2018-08-17
21 min
Software Process and Measurement Cast
Distributed Agile Teams, an Interview With Mark Kilby
SPaMCAST 506 features our interview with Mark Kilby. Mark and I explored distributed agile teams. Agile in distributed environments is doable, but it isn’t easy. Mark provides guidance and advice. Mark recently co-authored From Chaos to Successful Distributed Agile Teams with Johanna Rothman (). Mark’s bio and contact information: MARK KILBY has cultivated more distributed, dispersed, and virtual teams than colocated teams for more than two decades. Currently, Mark serves as an agile coach with Sonatype, a “remote first” software development company focusing on automation of software supply chains. Previously, Mark led agile transformations, from startups to Fortune 500 companies. Mark also cult...
2018-08-05
36 min
People and Projects Podcast: Project Management Podcast
PPP 207 | Accelerating Your Agile Journey, with author Johanna Rothman
Your Agile Journey If you spend enough time leading projects, you can't miss the fact that agile approaches continue to gain in popularity. What seemed initially relevant to only software development projects is now increasingly being used outside of software. Whether you're a believer or a skeptic, agile is not a passing fad. It's also not a cure-all. There are plenty of skeletons and shipwrecks on some people’s journey to agile. In this episode, I'm joined by one of my long-time friends and favorite experts when it comes to leading agile projects: Johanna Rothman. Jo...
2018-07-21
53 min
The Collaboration Superpowers Podcast
184 - From The Archives: Organize Your Distributed Team With Johanna Rothman
Johanna Rothman is a management consultant for software managers and leaders. She is also the author of many books, most recently “Agile and Lean Program Management: Scaling Collaboration Across the Organization”. She started working with geographically distributed teams in 1988. The breadth of communication tools was very limited in that time, so resolving conflicts had to be done mainly through coming to an understanding through conversations and trying to see each other points of view. For more stories, visit www.CollaborationSuperpowers.com.
2018-03-19
33 min
Software Process and Measurement Cast
Johanna Rothman, Create Your Successful Agile Project
SPaMCAST 468 features the return of Johanna Rothman. Johanna and I discussed her new book, . (Buy your copy today and support Johanna and the SPaMCAST). Johanna provides incredibly useful and pragmatic insights for delivering value to your customers and stakeholders! Johanna Rothman, known as the “Pragmatic Manager,” provides frank advice for your tough product development problems. Johanna is the author of more than ten books, including: Create Your Successful Agile Project: Collaborate, Measure, Estimate, Deliver Agile and Lean Program Management: Scaling Collaboration Across the Organization Manage Your Project Portfolio: Increase Your Capacity and Finish More Projects, 2nd ed Diving for Hidden Treasu...
2017-11-12
39 min
Engineering Culture by InfoQ
Johanna Rothman and Mike Griffiths on the Agile Alliance/PMI Agile Practice Guide
In this podcast Shane Hastie, Lead Editor for Culture & Methods, spoke to Johanna Rothman and Mike Grifiths about the joint PMI & Agile Alliance initiative to produce the Agile Practice Guide. Why listen to this podcast: - There is nothing in the PMBOK that says you have to use a waterfall project delivery model - If we want to influence the people who hold the hearts and minds of senior management, there is no better way than to collaborate with them - The guide reflects the State of the Practice when it was written - The prevalence of agile terms in...
2017-10-03
23 min
LeadingAgile SoundNotes: an Agile Podcast
Create Your Successful Agile Project w/ Johanna Rothman
In this Agile 2017 interview Johanna Rothman talks with Dave about her new book “Create Your Successful Agile Project Collaborate, Measure, Estimate and Deliver” and how teams that are struggling to make Scrum work may want to adopt an approach that focuses on continuous flow in order to deliver value for their customers with greater frequency. The interview includes a conversation about working with User Stories that are sized to only take the team a single day to complete, how this can help teams that are struggling with estimation, and how Johanna’s approach to writing (she averages about 1 book a year...
2017-09-20
18 min
LeadingAgile SoundNotes: an Agile Podcast
The PMI Agile Practice Guide from Agile 2017 w/ Mike Griffiths and Johanna Rothman
This file is audio only. The video version can be found here: https://vimeo.com/229799105 At Agile 2017, Johanna Rothman and Mike Griffiths sat down with Dave to talk about the work they've been doing on the PMI Agile Practice Guide. Their work was part of a joint effort between the Agile Alliance and PMI and is intended to offer guidance for traditional PMs on how to begin applying Agile in their work. The PMI Agile Practice Guide will be released in September 2017.
2017-08-16
21 min
Roundabout: Creative Chaos
Episode 88 - Johanna Rothman
Join Tammy Coron and Tim Mitra on Episode 88, which was recorded on June 14, 2017. On this episode we talk with Johanna Rothman. Johanna is best known as the Pragmatic Manager. She provides frank advice for your tough problems, often with a little humor. She also publishes a close-to-monthly email newsletter, aptly titled The Pragmatic Manager, and she has written more books than I can count on my two hands. If you like listening to Roundabout: Creative Chaos, and you want to know how you can help support the show, please visit our Patreon page...
2017-06-29
1h 12
Agile Amped Podcast - Inspiring Conversations
Johanna Rothman is "Diving for Hidden Treasure" to Uncover the True Cost of Delay at Agile2016
Johanna Rothman sits down with Agile Amped in Atlanta, GA, to discuss her new book "Diving For Hidden Treasures: Uncovering the Cost of Delay in Your Project Portfolio". This book focuses on the causes of cost of delay and also how cost of delay can be used to rank portfolio investments. Multitasking and "expert bottlenecks" are common causes for delay that aren't traditionally incorporated into the decision of whether or not to move forward on a project. Another common cost of delay is interdependencies: when one team is waiting for work from another team to come their way. Johanna is...
2016-08-05
09 min
The Collaboration Superpowers Podcast
87 - Organize Your Distributed Team With Johanna Rothman
Johanna Rothman is a management consultant for software managers and leaders. She is also the author of many books. She started working with geographically distributed teams in 1988. The breadth of communication tools was very limited in that time, so resolving conflicts had to be done mainly through coming to an understanding through conversations and trying to see each other points of view.Geographically distributed teams were originally set up for saving money. And the teams were usually set up from West to East meaning the testers were East, and the developers were West, which is the wrong...
2016-04-25
32 min
PM for the Masses
Project Estimates: Predicting the Unpredictable With Johanna Rothman
Today we tackle the crazy idea which is to try and predict cost and schedules for projects. The post Project Estimates: Predicting the Unpredictable With Johanna Rothman appeared first on PM for the Masses.
2016-02-27
37 min
Podcast Archives -
Project Estimates: Predicting the Unpredictable With Johanna Rothman
Today we tackle the crazy idea which is to try and predict cost and schedules for projects. The post Project Estimates: Predicting the Unpredictable With Johanna Rothman appeared first on PM for the Masses.
2016-02-27
37 min
Project Management Podcast: Project Management for the Masses with Cesar Abeid, PMP
Project Estimates: Predicting the Unpredictable With Johanna Rothman
Today we tackle the crazy idea which is to try and predict cost and schedules for projects. The post Project Estimates: Predicting the Unpredictable With Johanna Rothman appeared first on PM for the Masses.
2016-02-27
37 min
Agile Amped Podcast - Inspiring Conversations
Scaling Collaboration Across the Organization at Agile 2015 with Johanna Rothman
Johanna discusses her conference sessions, her experiences so far and her new book "Agile and Lean Program Management: Scaling Collaboration Across the Organization."
2015-08-14
13 min
Project Management for You
Project Management for You with Johanna Rothman (@johannarothman)
The pragmatic Johanna Rothman shares with me her thoughts on what Project Management really is. The post Project Management for You with Johanna Rothman (@johannarothman) appeared first on PM for the Masses.
2014-10-14
42 min
PM For You – PM for the Masses
Project Management for You with Johanna Rothman (@johannarothman)
The pragmatic Johanna Rothman shares with me her thoughts on what Project Management really is.
2014-10-14
42 min
Project Management Podcast: Project Management for the Masses with Cesar Abeid, PMP
Project Management for You with Johanna Rothman (@johannarothman)
The pragmatic Johanna Rothman shares with me her thoughts on what Project Management really is. The post Project Management for You with Johanna Rothman (@johannarothman) appeared first on PM for the Masses.
2014-10-14
42 min
Project Management for You
Project Management for You with Johanna Rothman (@johannarothman)
The pragmatic Johanna Rothman shares with me her thoughts on what Project Management really is. The post Project Management for You with Johanna Rothman (@johannarothman) appeared first on PM for the Masses.
2014-10-14
42 min
Podcast Archives -
Project Management for You with Johanna Rothman (@johannarothman)
The pragmatic Johanna Rothman shares with me her thoughts on what Project Management really is. The post Project Management for You with Johanna Rothman (@johannarothman) appeared first on PM for the Masses.
2014-10-14
42 min
PM for the Masses
Project Management for You with Johanna Rothman (@johannarothman)
The pragmatic Johanna Rothman shares with me her thoughts on what Project Management really is. The post Project Management for You with Johanna Rothman (@johannarothman) appeared first on PM for the Masses.
2014-10-14
42 min
Project Portfolio Management With Johanna Rothman
Johanna Rothman, High Tech Product Development Management Expert And Author, Discusses Effective Project Portfolio Management Techniques Johanna shares, "Product management provides the product strategy. Senior management provides the corporate strategy. Project portfolio management is where the corporate strategy meets the product strategy. I'm so excited about the chance to chat with the Global Product Management community and explain project portfolio management, and hear their concerns and issues. I am sure this is the beginning of many "aha" moments inside organizations." Host, @CindyFSolomon is joined by co-host @EstherDerby Background Resources: http://bit.ly/UPMb1l
2012-11-26
00 min