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Rare Mind Podcast w/ Julian CastleRare Mind Podcast w/ Julian CastleI Lost $500K in Real Estate… Then Made $1M with This Strategy w/ Jon LallandeJon Lallande is a former Recon Marine who turned his discipline and grit into a multi-million dollar real estate empire. Today, he's a leading wholesaler with a 7-figure business, and a respected sales trainer teaching investors how to close more deals using human behavior-based strategies.In this episode, Jon shares the full story of how he went from military service to managing a portfolio of 86 properties, flipping houses, and building a highly profitable virtual wholesaling business.We dive deep into how the NEPQ sales framework transformed Jon’s business, allowing him to take his close ra...2025-06-2459 minReal Estate Pros Show - Powered By Investor FuelReal Estate Pros Show - Powered By Investor FuelHow to Dominate Market Trends: Investor Strategies That WorkIn this conversation, John Harcar interviews Jon Lallande, who shares his journey from being a sniper in the Marine Corps to becoming a successful real estate investor. Jon discusses the challenges he faced in the real estate market, including significant financial losses, and emphasizes the importance of having a solid sales process. He introduces the NEPQ (Neuro Emotional Persuasion Questioning) method, which focuses on understanding human behavior in sales and how to effectively communicate with sellers. The conversation highlights the significance of mentorship and continuous learning in achieving success in real estate. Professional Real Estate Investors...2025-06-0230 minZeroed InZeroed InFrom Stuck to Scaling With Patrick Meyer: What Changed The Wholesaling Game for Him2025-05-2926 minReal Estate Wholesaling SyndicateReal Estate Wholesaling SyndicateThe Boiler Room # 14 w/ Jon LallandeThe Wholesaling Syndicate Boiler Room is a high-intensity, live event where real estate wholesalers get a chance to close deals in real time. Participants, ranging from newbies to seasoned investors, have their names drawn randomly from a bucket. If selected, they receive a set of hot leads from the event sponsor and call through them live during the session. During the Boiler Room, if participants run into challenges or need help closing, they can "phone a friend" and get instant support from a closer panel, which includes Ky Logue and other expert Guest closers. The g...2025-05-012h 23Zeroed InZeroed InThis One Fix Took Him From Stuck to Scaling | Watson SaintsulneIn this episode, Watson St. Sulny joins us on The Zeroed In Podcast to share the strategies that helped him turn his real estate wholesaling business around. Instead of working harder, he worked smarter, and it made all the difference. We dive into the key mindset shifts, sales tactics, and daily habits that took him from stuck to scaling. Learn how focusing on the right process can change everything. Whether you're in real estate or any sales business, this episode is packed with practical, actionable advice. 2025-04-2434 minZeroed InZeroed InBuilding Elite Leadership Teams with Beka SheaIn this episode, I sit down with Beka to talk about what it really takes to build a strong leadership team. Her background is wild, and she helps CEOs build powerful, high-performing teams through behavioral analytics and strategic hiring. In this episode, we get into: - Why your team might not be the problem—you might be. - How to spot the gaps in your team before you make your next hire. - The common leadership mistakes that hold businesses back. - Why so many entrepreneurs hit a wall wh...2025-04-1047 minReal Estate Wholesaling SyndicateReal Estate Wholesaling SyndicateThe Boiler Room # 4 with Guest Closer Jon LallandeThe Wholesaling Syndicate Boiler Room is a high-intensity, live event where real estate wholesalers get a chance to close deals in real time. Participants, ranging from newbies to seasoned investors, have their names drawn randomly from a bucket. If selected, they receive a set of hot leads from the event sponsor and call through them live during the session. During the Boiler Room, if participants run into challenges or need help closing, they can "phone a friend" and get instant support from a closer panel, which includes Ky Logue and other expert Guest closers. The g...2024-10-312h 01Zeroed InZeroed In2x Your Business Revenue in Just 10 Months with Tristan Adkins and Matt ReidIn this episode of the Zeroed IN Podcast, I have two amazing guests, Tristan Adkins and Matt Reid from “Adkins and Reid Holdings”, who shared their incredible journey of building their real estate business. They’re giving out their secret on how they successfully flipped houses, wholesaled properties, and managed short-term rentals, imparting experiences that helped them reach their goals. Get a glimpse of their challenges and the proven systems they created that doubled their revenue in less than a year. Tristan and Matt revealed how they leverage strong leadership and diligent tracking to remain competitive in a c...2024-10-2548 minZeroed InZeroed InFinding Purpose and Passion in Sales with Joseph MoffettWelcome back to another episode of Zeroed IN Podcast!🎙 Today, I’m with none other than Joseph Moffett, an exceptional high-performance mindset coach and the founder of Master Life by Design. Joe’s impressive journey from Marine Corps veteran to a leading coach has helped entrepreneurs and high achievers break through mental barriers and create the lives they've always envisioned. In this episode, Joe delves into his transition journey, exploring strategies for personal growth and overcoming obstacles. We discuss essential mindset shifts needed to excel in business, navigating rejection with resilience, and the importance of aligning goals w...2024-09-1350 minZeroed InZeroed InHow Brian Luebben Scaled Action Academy to Success🎙️Back again on Zeroed IN Podcast! Today, I had the pleasure of chatting with Brian Luebben, CEO of Action Academy. From climbing the corporate ladder to establishing his own business, Brian's story is truly inspiring. We discussed how he built Action Academy from the ground up, including the details of scaling a business, solving high-impact problems, and harnessing the power of community in pursuing goals. 🔍He is focused on expanding his business ideas and building a community of high-performers. He dropped some serious knowledge bombs on the psychology of success that'll make you rethink...2024-08-3053 minZeroed InZeroed InJeremy Hans Transforms from Navy Pilot to Real Estate and Restoration PioneerI'm thrilled to take you on a captivating journey into the story of Jeremy Hans, a former Navy pilot turned entrepreneur who has made a remarkable transition into real estate and classic truck restorations. 🛻⚒️ In this episode of Zeroed IN Podcast, I sit down with Jeremy to uncover his compelling path from the skies to the world of business. Prepare to be inspired as Jeremy shares his tenacity, innovative mindset, and the essential lessons he learned while navigating real estate syndication and scaling Velocity Restorations. Discover the dynamics of his partnerships, the transformative role of EOS, and the...2024-08-2345 minZeroed InZeroed InFrom Military to Millionaire: Business, Marketing & Branding with David PereWelcome back to the Zeroed In Podcast! In this episode, we're diving deep into the world of financial freedom with the inspiring David Pere, founder of From Military to Millionaire. 💼 David shares his journey from active duty Marine to successful real estate investor and entrepreneur. He reveals the strategies he used to build wealth while serving in the military and how anyone can achieve financial independence with the right mindset and tactics. 🏡 Whether you're in the military or not, David's story and advice will inspire you to take control of your financial future and st...2024-07-271h 11Zeroed InZeroed InStrategies for Successful Real Estate Partnerships Yielding Six Figures MonthlyJoin us on this episode of Zeroed In as we dive into a conversation with Andre Carvalho and Tyler Wyatt from UncommonREI, based in Georgia. Together, they reveal their secrets to achieving six-figure monthly revenues through innovative wholesale assignments. Discover how they built a successful partnership investing in real estate and mastered a remarkable one-in-ten closing rate on cold calls and direct mail campaigns. We also explore their unique approach to the no evasion process, offering invaluable insights for real estate wholesalers looking to scale their businesses. Tune in for an inspiring discussion filled with actionable strategies and entrepreneurial...2024-06-2956 minZeroed InZeroed InThe Best Practices of Growing and Managing Your Sales TeamWelcome to the Zeroed In podcast! Today, we have a very special guest—Jonathan Whistman, the sales boss himself. Jonathan is the CEO of Who Hire and Perception Predict, and he literally wrote the book on sales management—Sales Boss. In this episode, we'll delve into the best practices for growing and managing your sales team, drawing insights from Jonathan's extensive experience and expertise. Jonathan's knowledge in predictive hiring is truly groundbreaking, and I’m incredibly excited to dive into this topic. Stick with us until the end to get a clear picture of what it means...2024-06-221h 04Zeroed InZeroed InEffective Lead Channels to Scale Your Wholesaling BusinessWelcome to the Zeroed In Podcast! In this episode, we're thrilled to host Darion Blake from Dallas Fort Worth. Darion is a powerhouse in the real estate wholesaling industry, raking in an impressive $175,000 per month. Today, we dive deep into the strategies and lead channels that have propelled his business to such heights. Tune in to learn about Darion's journey, his secrets to scaling a successful wholesaling business, and actionable insights that can help you zero in on your own goals. Don’t miss this opportunity to get inspired and informed by one of the best in the business!...2024-06-1252 minZeroed InZeroed InHow to Identify Good SalespeopleIn this episode of the Zeroed In Podcast, we dive into the world of sales with Mike (Michael) McKay, a seasoned real estate investor who began his career with Airbnb Rental Arbitrage, managing 100 units before shifting to wholesaling and house flipping. Mike Mckay highlights the crucial importance of assembling high-performance sales teams and shares his proven methods for identifying and recruiting top talent. Through his extensive experience, Mike has developed robust systems and strategies for building successful sales teams that drive business growth. Join us to gain actionable insights and learn how to elevate your sales recruitment process from...2024-05-2959 minZeroed InZeroed InEffective Strategies for Building Wealth in Real Estate with Omar AlfaroWelcome to this week's episode of Zeroed In Podcast, where we sit down with Omar Alfaro, a successful real estate investor and entrepreneur. Omar shares his journey from his beginnings as a young agent to becoming a seasoned flipper and wholesaler, emphasizing the importance of building a strong team and implementing efficient systems to manage multiple projects. He also provides insights into the current real estate market and offers valuable advice for those looking to scale their businesses. Tune in for an episode filled with actionable tips and deep dives into the strategies that have made Omar a leader...2024-05-2246 minProperty ProphetsProperty Prophets73: The Strategic Wholesaler: Jon Lallande's Path to Real Estate DominanceSend us a textIn this episode of the Property Profets podcast, Travis Wells speaks with John Leland, a real estate wholesaler and sales coach from Seventh Level, where he heads the real estate department. John shares his journey in real estate, focusing on wholesaling, and delves into his strategies for success in the competitive Southern California market.Summary:John Leland discusses his transition out of rental property management, citing the extensive demands and challenges it presented, including managing a large portfolio with diverse properties such as hotels and apartment complexes. His...2024-05-1628 minZeroed InZeroed InMarketing Direct to Agents vs Direct to Sellers w/ Ray RodriguezShould you market directly to realtors or go straight to sellers? 🤔 That's the big question in today’s episode of the Zeroed In Podcast. Joining us today is Ray Rodriguez, a real estate investor who has built a highly successful wholesaling and flipping operation in Las Vegas. Ray shares his journey from being a social media manager to becoming a key player in the real estate industry. He discusses how he started by leveraging referrals from realtors and gradually transitioned to direct-to-seller marketing. Ray emphasizes the importance of treating real estate as a business and b...2024-05-151h 00Zeroed InZeroed InHow to Improve Your Sales Process and Build a Sales TeamDive into the world of real estate sales with Lindsay Arko, Director of Sales at Blackjack Real Estate. Lindsay takes us on a captivating journey from auditing to real estate, revealing the secrets behind successful deal analysis, conservative number crunching, and the art of making compelling offers. Get ready for an episode packed with actionable strategies as Lindsay unveils her expert tips on hiring top-tier sales reps and implementing game-changing KPIs and quality scorecards. Don't miss out—tune in for an episode that promises to revolutionize your approach to real estate sales! Connect with Lindsay Arko:...2024-03-2841 minAction Academy | Millionaire Mentorship For Your Life & BusinessAction Academy | Millionaire Mentorship For Your Life & BusinessColombian Cash-Flow: How Jon Lallande Left Corporate America, Built A 100k+ / Month Wholesaling Business, & Moved To Medellin (VAULT)Want To Quit Your Job In The Next 6-18 Months Through Buying Commercial Real Estate & Small Businesses? 👔🏝️ Schedule A Free 30 Minute Coaching Call With Our Team Here To Get "Unstuck" Check Out Our Bestselling Book : From Passive To Passionate: How To Quit Your Job - Grow Your Wealth - And Turn Your Passions Into Profits Want A Free $100k+ Side Hustle Guide? Follow Me As I Travel & Build:IG @brianluebbenActionAcademy.com2024-03-2753 minZeroed InZeroed InLosing Everything Twice and Building a $15M EmpireLooking to reconstruct your business from the ground up? In this episode, Jesse Trujillo shares his journey from a struggling college student to building a $15 million real estate empire. Despite facing major setbacks, like losing everything twice, Jesse's story shows resilience and determination. He stresses the value of perseverance, honesty, and building a strong team. Tune in to get inspired to overcome your own obstacles and achieve your goals. Connect with Gino Palomba: 🎯Website: https://www.investwithjesse.com/ TIMESTAMPS 00:00 Introduction 01:10 About Jesse Trujillo ...2024-03-2051 minZeroed InZeroed InRunning a Multi 7-Figure Business while Traveling the WorldWelcome to Zeroed In Podcast! Our guest today is Gino Palomba, CEO of a virtual wholesale venture, and at just 24 years old, he's driving his company towards an impressive $4 million revenue milestone this year. Gino brings to the table his direct sales tactics, emphasizes the relentless pursuit of knowledge, and unveils his hands-on approach to managing his global team while always on the move. He stresses the importance of profitability over mere revenue growth and advocates for recruiting top-tier talent that aligns with the company's values. Get ready for a no-nonsense conversation packed with practical advice tailored for entrepreneurs...2024-03-1347 minReal Estate Wholesaling SyndicateReal Estate Wholesaling SyndicateHow To Make 6 Figures A Month Virtual Wholesaling w/ Jon LallandeOn this episode of Wholesaling Syndicate Podcast your host Ky Logue interviews Jon Lallande, a former Marine turned real estate wholesaler. Jon shares his transition from military service to real estate, detailing his journey from starting in wholesaling with minimal knowledge to building a successful business. He emphasizes the importance of persistence, sales training, and focusing on high-quality leads. The discussion also covers the challenges of the real estate market, strategies for overcoming obstacles, and the significance of continuous learning and adaptation in sales techniques.Connect with John:https://www.facebook.com/jon.lallande.72024-03-0752 minZeroed InZeroed InHow to Build and Run a Successful Real Estate Wholesaling CompanyJoin me on the Zeroed In Podcast as I sit down with Adam Whitney, CEO of Blackjack Real Estate and a current Marine Corps officer, for an enlightening discussion on entrepreneurship and leadership. With a focus on building successful businesses and teams, Adam shares valuable insights into the power of core values in shaping company culture and driving hiring decisions. From the importance of accountability to strategies for fostering growth mindsets within your team, Adam offers practical advice and personal anecdotes to inspire entrepreneurs at every stage of their journey. Book mentioned: 📘Traction: Get A G...2024-03-0659 minZeroed InZeroed InHow to Build High-Performing Sales TeamsJoin me on the Zeroed In Podcast as I dive deep into the world of sales acceleration with Petar Iliev, the Chief Revenue Officer of TaxDome. In this episode, Petar shares invaluable insights into crafting winning sales strategies, building high-performing sales teams, and overcoming common hiring mistakes. We also explore the critical importance of optimizing lead distribution for success. This episode is packed with practical advice to help you drive revenue growth and maximize team performance. Article and Book Mentioned: 📄The Superhuman Product/Market Fit Engine: https://coda.io/@rahulvohra/superhuman-product-market-fit-engine 📘The Sales...2024-02-2859 minZeroed InZeroed InHow to Strategically Grow Multiple BusinessesLearn how to effectively balance and grow your business portfolio, even if you're just starting out. Join us as we explore the ins and outs of running multiple ventures with Vaughn Bethell, an experienced serial entrepreneur. With ventures ranging from real estate acquisitions, wholesale, rentals, financing, lending, and coaching! Bethell shares practical tips and insights for success. From setting up efficient systems to fostering a positive company culture. Don't miss out on this opportunity to learn from a true expert in the field. Connect with Vaughn Bethell: 🎯Facebook: https://www.facebook.com...2024-02-2247 minZeroed InZeroed InSales Leadership and Strategies Driving $1.5M/Month SuccessWelcome to the premiere episode of Zeroed IN podcast, the podcast that takes you deep into the trenches of revenue growth strategies. In this episode, we have the privilege of speaking with Matthew Ryder, a former special forces sniper turned CEO of 7th Level and founder of Sales Sniper. Matthew shares invaluable insights into the CEO's role in steering a $1.5 million per month business. Matthew guides us through the qualities that set top sales performers apart, unraveling how to identify and nurture these traits within a team. We'll delve into essential qualities that define effective sales leadership, providing a...2024-02-1546 minZeroed InZeroed InHow to Build a Multi-million Dollar Business in Your 20sLooking for the ultimate blueprint to entrepreneurial success? This is it! Join us on Zeroed IN Podcast as we delve into the life and insights of 24-year-old CEO & COO, Chandler Saine, a remarkable entrepreneur who's cracked the code building a multimillion-dollar business while living life on his own terms. From finding good talent to optimizing productivity, Chandler shares invaluable strategies for achieving both professional excellence and personal fulfillment. Don't miss out—be sure to follow, like, and subscribe to our podcast, and click the link in our bio! 🔔Watch on Youtube: https://youtu.be/2K7YyEici-0 2024-02-0740 minZeroed InZeroed InZeroed IN with Jon LallandeZeroed IN isn't your typical podcast🎙️; we're not about quick fixes or overnight success stories. I'm bringing in experts who've built multimillion-dollar businesses to share practical strategies for hiring, scaling, and creating profitable, lasting systems. We'll cover key areas like leadership, sales, strategy, execution, and sustainability. No surface-level discussions here. Every guest will delve into crucial aspects – from closing deals and effective marketing to leadership insights and setting up efficient business systems. If you're serious about taking your business to the next level, welcome to Zeroed IN!🎯 Let's roll up our sleeve...2024-01-2903 minBuilt With VAsBuilt With VAsMake $100k+ EVERY MONTH with these strategies!Get ready for a fantastic episode of Built with VAS!  I sat down with the amazing Jon Lallande, a sales entrepreneur and coach, for an insightful chat on virtual assistants and sales strategies for any industry but especially for real estate investors. Learn how he is consistently making over $100K every month with these strategies that can be done by anyone!  🎬Watch this on Youtube:https://youtu.be/98EEWREFX2oSubscribe To My Channel to Get More Great Tips: 👉 https://bit.ly/suVBscribeGet in touc...2023-09-0153 minBuilt With VAsBuilt With VAsMake $100k+ EVERY MONTH with these strategies!Get ready for a fantastic episode of Built with VAS!  I sat down with the amazing Jon Lallande, a sales entrepreneur and coach, for an insightful chat on virtual assistants and sales strategies for any industry but especially for real estate investors. Learn how he is consistently making over $100K every month with these strategies that can be done by anyone!  🎬Watch this on Youtube:https://youtu.be/98EEWREFX2oSubscribe To My Channel to Get More Great Tips: 👉 https://bit.ly/suVBscribeGet in touc...2023-09-0153 minNext Level Podcast with Jeremy MinerNext Level Podcast with Jeremy MinerEpisode 299 Raise The Roof In Real Estate Sales Strategies for SuccessIn this engaging podcast episode of Closers Are Losers, Jeremy Miner engages in a riveting conversation with Jon Lallande who is in the real estate investment industry. Jeremy first connected with Jon when he enrolled in advanced training at Jeremy’s company, 7th Level and now proudly has taken his income base from 9k a month to SIX FIGURES a month!  In this episode, Jeremy and Jon uncovers the power of consequence questioning, highlighting the importance of tone of voice, connection question techniques and problem awareness questions. Whether you're a real estate veteran or an aspiring real est...2023-08-291h 00Next Level Podcast with Jeremy MinerNext Level Podcast with Jeremy MinerEpisode 299 Raise The Roof In Real Estate Sales Strategies for SuccessIn this engaging podcast episode of Closers Are Losers, Jeremy Miner engages in a riveting conversation with Jon Lallande who is in the real estate investment industry. Jeremy first connected with Jon when he enrolled in advanced training at Jeremy’s company, 7th Level and now proudly has taken his income base from 9k a month to SIX FIGURES a month!  In this episode, Jeremy and Jon uncovers the power of consequence questioning, highlighting the importance of tone of voice, connection question techniques and problem awareness questions. Whether you're a real estate veteran or an aspiring real est...2023-08-291h 00Financial Freedom FastFinancial Freedom FastHow to Wholesale STEP BY STEP w/ Jon LallandeHave you ever wondered what it takes to turn a big idea into big bucks? Jon Lallande did more than wonder. He took the leap, transitioning from the Marine Corps to create a remote wholesaling business that rakes in over six figures monthly. His journey was far from easy, with initial investments in marketing yielding no results, but Jon's story is a testament to perseverance, ingenuity, and sheer grit. In our conversation, Jon gives an intimate look into his successful sales process and lead management strategies. His secret? Understand the seller's situation, identify the problem, and craft a...2023-07-2658 minThe Military Millionaire PodcastThe Military Millionaire PodcastFrom Sales Savvy to Real Estate Magnate: Jon Lallande’s Winning FormulaCurious how sales skills can be leveraged to build a successful real estate empire? Learn from Jon Lallande's impressive journey! He's a sales mastermind who built a half-a-million-dollar VA loan business in just one year. Jon's here to spill his secrets and teach us how to achieve financial success through effective sales strategies.    In this riveting episode of From Military to Millionaire, Dave and Alex have an insightful conversation with Jon Lallande - a seasoned sales expert who's made it big in real estate. Jon reveals the secrets to his success, detailing the systems and pr...2023-05-261h 20Action Academy | Millionaire Mentorship For Your Life & BusinessAction Academy | Millionaire Mentorship For Your Life & BusinessColombian Cash-Flow: How Jon Lallande Left Corporate America, Built A 100k+ / Month Wholesaling Business, & Moved To MedellinJon Lallande is a former combat sniper (and corporate worker) who built a 100k+ monthly revenue wholesaling operation that allowed him to travel the world.IG: @JonLallande22Want To Quit Your Job In The Next 6-18 Months Through Buying Commercial Real Estate & Small Businesses? 👔🏝️ Schedule A Free 30 Minute Coaching Call With Our Team Here To Get "Unstuck" Check Out Our Bestselling Book : From Passive To Passionate: How To Quit Your Job - Grow Your Wealth - And Turn Your Passions Into Profits...2023-04-2553 minThe A Game Podcast: Real Estate Investing For EntrepreneursThe A Game Podcast: Real Estate Investing For EntrepreneursBest Marketing Strategies For New & Experienced Real Estate Investors | John LallandeJoin Nick Lamagna as he welcomes guest Jon Lallande the owner of American Home Acquistions a full time real estate investing crushing real estate in US while living in Columbia and running a full acquistions, marketing and dispositions team remotely.  Jon is a marketing expert and has created systems and processes he has put in place to create success running his business remotely while he gets to enjoy his quality of life after serving for years in the US Marine Corp.  He started out as a lender and transitioned into wholesaling and has mastered the art of finding deals an...2023-02-201h 08Real Estate Trends and Market UpdatesReal Estate Trends and Market UpdatesWholesaling Real Estate (Passive and Active Income) with Jon Lallande Starting his career as a Marine Corps Scout Sniper, Jon later gained experience with investing through BiggerPockets. This introduced him to the Real Estate industry. He took to being a Loan Officer which helped him in successfully co-founding American Home Acquisitions, a Real Estate Wholesaling business. In this podcast, Jon and I discuss what has changed in the market in 2022, and how that has affected how he does business. We discuss why Jon focused on Real Estate in the Midwest as opposed to Southern California. What are the strategies Jon focuses on that might not translate across different markets? A...2022-12-0147 minBiggerPockets Money PodcastBiggerPockets Money PodcastThe Secret Steps to Getting Qualified for the Best Mortgage Possible You may have seen mortgage tips posted throughout the forums or in the BiggerPockets Money Facebook Group, but rarely do you get preapproval tips straight from a lender themselves. As the housing market stays hot and interest rates continue to rise, it may seem harder and harder to get approved for the amount, or the interest rate, that you want. Now, instead of guessing what you can do to increase your financeability, you can get answers directly from the source!Joining us today is Jon Lallande, former mortgage lender, now real estate investor. Jon has helped close tens of m...2022-05-231h 10The Military Millionaire PodcastThe Military Millionaire PodcastHow to Use the VA Loan In A Sellers’ Market with Jon Lallande (one of the best)Episode: 145 Jon Lallande Join your hosts, David Pere and Alex Felice, with guest Jon Lallande as they talk everything about VA loans, what makes it cool and not cool, and the one-time restoration entitlement that VA loan users need to hear about before they start building their portfolios. Throughout the discussion, the guys build up and poke holes in everything they can discuss regarding VA loans and their pros and cons. For Jon, a user benefits from a VA loan's higher chance of closing than other options. Meanwhile, Alex thinks it is disproportionately...2021-06-111h 09