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EntrePastorsKnow When It's Time to Pivot (#231)Sometimes we will get asked the question, “When do I know when it’s time to quit what I’m doing and try something different?” In other words, how do I know when it’s time to pivot? In this episode of the EntrePastors podcast, Jon and Les share some general principles and words of encouragement to anyone who might feel stuck in their current situation and looking for a fresh start. Jon and Les also share some big announcements about some pivots they’re making with the EntrePastors platform as well as their own personal business endeavors. 2025-02-2138 minEntrePastorsHow to be Indistractable (#217)In this episode of the EntrePastors Podcast, Jon and Les talk about a book that has made a big impact on Les in recent days called Indistractable: How To Control Your Attention and Choose Your Life by Nir Ayal. Les lays out some of the big ideas from the book as he and Jon talk about the importance of learning to be more focused and present in our ever increasingly busy and chaotic world. The reality for most pastors and entrepreneurs is the constant onslaught of all the distractions that seek to pull us off course and take our at...2024-11-0134 minEntrePastorsThe Christian Capitalist with Rich Sanders (#214)In this episode of the EntrePastors Podcast, Jon and Les talk with Rich Sanders about his new book The Christian Capitalist. Rich is a pastor, small business owner, healthcare attorney, retired adjunct professor at Emory University, and former intelligence officer in the U.S. Navy. He and his wife, Rebekah, met at church in 1996, have been blessed with three children (James, Will, and Caroline) and live in Destin, Florida.Through this conversation you will hear Rich share why he’s so passionate about helping God’s people not only make as much money as they can...2024-10-1148 minEntrePastorsOvercoming an Entitled Spirit as a Pastor (#206)In this episode of the EntrePastors Podcast Jon is going to dive into a subject that might be tough for some pastors to hear. We’re going to talk about how to overcome a spirit of entitlement. At first glance, this might not seem to have much to do with you…or does it? Jon unpacks how living in poverty can ultimately produce people who come to feel entitled to the generosity of others and unfortunately, pastors are not exempt from this. The truth is many pastors have lived in poverty for years and their only “funding model” is to rely upon...2024-08-1642 minEntrePastorsBlending Ministry and Business Success with Devin Schubert (#199)On this episode of the EntrePastors Podcast, hosts Jon Sanders and Les Hughes dive into a rich conversation with their guest, Devin Schurbert. Devin shares his extraordinary journey of faith, fatherhood, and entrepreneurship.From adoption to creating successful youth ministries and multi-million-dollar businesses, Devin’s path is nothing short of inspiring. He opens up about his dissatisfaction with traditional church settings, which led him to build a vibrant youth ministry at the local YMCA, and how these experiences set the stage for his entrepreneurial success.This conversation will explore the intertwining of ministry and business, emp...2024-06-2835 minEntrePastorsFrom Pastoral Ministry to Behavioral Health with Trevor Hislop (#197)In this episode of the EntrePastors Podcast, we're thrilled to dive deep into the inspiring journey of Trevor Hislop, a former pastor who transitioned into the entrepreneurial world of mental health care. Join hosts Jon Sanders and Les Hughes as they explore how Trevor founded LiveWell Behavioral Health to address crucial gaps in community mental health services. With a remarkable team of 29 providers and 37 staff members, LiveWell offers comprehensive care for individuals, couples, families, and communities.We'll hear about Trevor's personal story, influenced by his parents' divorce at a young age, leading him to pursue a career...2024-06-1441 minEntrePastorsEntrepreneurship and Ministry with Danny Holwerda (#193)In this episode of the EntrePastors Podcast, Jon Sanders and Les Hughes have an incredible conversation with Pastor Danny Holwerda. They talk about how pastors, with their unique people skills, can thrive in business. Danny shares his journey of balancing ministry, entrepreneurship, and overcoming financial struggles while maintaining a heart of service. From acquiring businesses to writing a book on overcoming sexual temptation, Danny’s story is a testament to resilience and faith and is a great example of what it looks like to thrive as an entrepastor. Guest Info/Links:Email: d...2024-05-1746 minEntrePastorsDo Pastors Lack the Grit to be Entrepreneurs? with Joshua Brown (#192)In this episode of the EntrePastors podcast Jon and Les welcome back returning guest Joshua Brown…aka “The Pressure Washing Pastor,” to wrestle with the question of whether or not pastors lack the grit to make good entrepreneurs. Joshua unpacks some of his thoughts about how the traditional model of vocational ministry has helped to reinforce a spirit of dependency and complacency that makes it hard for some pastors to do the work of an entrepreneur. At first glance this might not seem to be that big of a deal, but as you will hear in this conversation, when pastors...2024-05-101h 00EntrePastorsChange of Heart with Lori Sheldon (#191)On this episode of the EntrePastors podcast Jon and Les talk with Lori Sheldon, author of the best-selling book Change of Heart in which she writes about caring for and walking alongside her husband through his heart transplant journey. Lori also shares the story of how God brought her into contact with Jon and Les and the role that EntrePastors played in helping Lori bring her book to life. Lori’s story serves as a great encouragement to many in our audience who feel called and inspired to get their own books out into the world. We also celebrate the r...2024-05-0344 minEntrePastorsPastoring and Commercial Cleaning with Joseph Bennett (#190)On this episode of the EntrePastors podcast Jon Sanders and Les Hughes welcome guest Joseph Bennett, who shares his journey from the medical field to full-time ministry on a foreign mission field, and then from life in Honduras to returning to the United States where he now balances serving a pastor along with running a commercial cleaning business. In this conversation you will hear them dive into the themes of investing in people, recognizing opportunities for income, and why Joseph is not looking to scale his businesses in this current season. Joseph's story illustrates the intersection of ministry and...2024-04-2637 minEntrePastorsIntegrating Kingdom Values in the Marketplace with Ray Hilbert (#189)In this episode of the EntrePastors podcast, Jon and Les talk with Ray Hilbert, founder of The Kingdom Factor, about the integration of faith and business. Ray shares the journey of his career and how he has navigated the challenges of aligning Christian values in corporate environments. Ray, Jon, and Les examine the American church's historical devaluation of business in favor of vocational ministry, emphasizing a kingdom mindset in workplace interactions. Ray shares how the Kingdom Factor is guiding marketplace leaders through local peer advisory groups. He advises ministry-minded individuals to follow God's calling with a passion-aligned, value-driven approach...2024-04-1937 minEntrePastorsBook Review: The Prosperous Coach (#167)Jon and Les have recommended The Prosperous Coach by Rich Litvin and Steve Chandler as much as any other resource. In this episode, Les talks about why they're so high on the book. It’s one thing to be able to coach someone, something that many pastors are great at. It’s something else to actually make money coaching. In the Prosperous coach, Litvin and Chandler discuss how to have powerful conversations with potential clients and how to have conversations about paid coaching without feeling salesy or needy. 2024-02-2016 minEntrePastorsBook Review: 48 Days to the work and Life You Love (#166)In this episode Les summarizes the impactful book, 48 Days to the Work and Life You Love by the late Dan Miller. Not only was Dan the personal friend and mentor of Jon and Les, his best-selling book has impacted thousands of people and helped them find meaningful and purposeful work. If you’re at a place in your life where you feel a little stuck, then lean in and listen. Dan Miller’s 48 Days to the Work and Life You Love has a life-changing message for those who take action. Call to Action:Reg...2024-02-1915 minEntrePastorsHow Do I Pick a Side-Hustle That’s Guaranteed Not to Fail? (#165)In this "Saturday Replay" addition of the EntrePastors podcast, Jon and Les speak to the pastor who has come to the conclusion that the extra income from a side-hustle would be great, but they have no idea where or how to get started. Generally we find people in this space dealing with two different issues:On one hand, we see the common “problem” of someone having so many ideas they’re struggling to choose the “right” one. On the other hand we work with pastors that truly have no idea what steps to take first o...2024-02-1730 minEntrePastorsA Word to Church Boards (#147)In this “Saturday Replay” episode of the EntrePastors podcast, Jon and Les speak directly to those who sit on boards and leadership teams in churches all across the nation. Unfortunately, in many instances, pastors feel as though their potential to engage in some kind of marketplace ministry will be directly opposed by their boards. Jon and Les have some words of admonition and encouragement for church boards and make a strong case for why it’s a “win-win” scenario for a pastor to be granted the freedom to launch a side-hustle in addition to serving in their pastoral role. Here are some...2024-01-2743 minEntrePastorsEmpowering Life Transformations through Weight Loss with Alan and Angie Thomas (#146)In this episode of the EntrePastors podcast, Les Hughes and Jon Sanders welcome weight loss coaches Alan and Angie Thomas to share their transformative health journey. The couple discusses the impact of obesity in the church and their unique coaching approach, emphasizing long-term transformations and individuals taking responsibility for their health. They highlight the value of coaching and overcoming self-doubt, sharing inspiring success stories. The episode encourages listeners to invest in coaching, embrace imperfection, and prioritize personal growth.Guest Info/Links:Website:https://transformmyfuture.com/entrepastors 2024-01-2657 minEntrePastorsIs Ghostwriting a Legitimate Form of Writing? (#145)This week we are featuring a four part mini series from Les Hughes diving deeper into the subject of writing. We believe many pastors should give serious consideration to becoming published authors and we desire to help them do just that. In this episode, Les shares from his own personal journey into ghostwriting and how pastors can be successful in their own ghostwriting businesses.2024-01-2510 minEntrePastorsHow Can I Get My Book Published? (#144)This week we are featuring a four part mini series from Les Hughes diving deeper into the subject of writing. We believe many pastors should give serious consideration to becoming published authors and we desire to help them do just that. In this episode, Les shares the three main ways to publish your books as well as the advantages and disadvantages of each.2024-01-2416 minEntrePastorsThree Profitable Categories of Writing (#143)This week we are featuring a four part mini series from Les Hughes diving deeper into the subject of writing. We believe many pastors should give serious consideration to becoming published authors and we desire to help them do just that. In this episode, Les shares three different categories of writing that can be source of significant income for a pastor.2024-01-2310 minEntrePastorsIs It Possible for a Pastor to Make Money by Writing? (#142)This week we are featuring a four part mini series from Les Hughes diving deeper into the subject of writing. We believe many pastors should give serious consideration to becoming published authors and desire to help them do just that. In this episode, Les unpacks the various ways you can create revenue through your writing.2024-01-2214 minEntrePastorsPermission to Pivot with Dan Miller (#129)For this “Saturday Replay” episode of the EntrePastors podcast we are reaching back to the very first interview we ever did on the podcast with a very special guest and friend, Dan Miller. Dan has served thousands of people over the years as a career coach through his books, speaking, coaching, and podcast. Both Les and Jon have been deeply impacted through their own friendship with Dan and have had a front row seat to learn from his years of wisdom and experience. It’s safe to say that without Dan’s influence on Jon and Les, there would not be an E...2024-01-0654 minEntrePastorsLeveraging Social Media for Influence and Impact with Melissa Hughes (#128)Many pastors would say they have a “love-hate” relationship with social media. While they certainly see social media as a gathering place for people in our culture and an opportunity to connect with others, they also recognize many of the negative aspects that social media can pose as well. In this episode, Jon and Les talk with a true social media influencer by the name of Melissa Hughes. Melissa and her husband served for a few years as struggling church planters in the UK before returning home to the United States feeling like ministry had been a failure in large p...2024-01-0550 minEntrePastorsWhy You Should Not Set Goals for 2024 (#123)How many times in the past have you set New Year’s resolutions, only to find yourself quickly failing to achieve the goals you had hoped to accomplish? If you’re like most people, this has probably been an all too familiar occurrence. Why is that? Why do so many people start each new year with such big goals and good intentions of the changes they wish to make in their lives, but quickly abandon those pursuits? In this episode Jon and Les discuss the difference between simply setting goals versus having a mindset and vocabulary that is built around c...2023-12-2938 minEntrePastorsIs Coaching a Good Fit for Me? (#121)Pastor, have you ever considered bringing more revenue into your life through launching a coaching business? At EntrePastors, we see coaching as a great option for many pastors to consider for a number of different reasons. However, we also see a number of pastors really struggling to get traction with their coaching businesses. In this episode, Jon Sanders and Les Hughes share many of the positive aspects that make coaching an attractive option for pastors, and they also outline some serious areas that need to be carefully considered before ever getting into the business. Call to Acti...2023-12-1540 minEntrePastorsOne Year From Now (#112)Have you ever had a coach speak powerfully into your life…even when you didn’t necessarily like what he/she had to say? In this episode Jon does just that as he shares some thoughts on an email that he and Les recently received from a podcast listener. Jon will challenge you to consider what your life might look like one year from now. The answer to that question hinges largely upon the action you take (or don’t take) today. If you’re in need of a healthy kick in the seat to move you forward on your entrepa...2023-10-1335 minEntrePastorsMy Business Launch Story - with Mark Foster (#105)Mark Foster is one of the most recent graduates of the EntrePastors Business Launch Academy. Mark has served in pastoral ministry for many years. Like many pastors and ministry leaders, Mark found himself satisfied in the work of his calling, yet desiring to be able to provide more comfortably for his family. Somewhere along the line he was introduced to EntrePastors and shortly thereafter, was invited by Jon and Les to join Business Launch Academy, a 16-week program with content, coaching, and a practical step-by-step checklist to help pastors launch their businesses. Mark took action all...2023-08-2534 minEntrePastorsCelebrating 100 Episodes of EntrePastors (#100)We are celebrating 100 episodes of the EntrePastors Podcast! In this special edition episode, Jon and Les both share their top two favorite episodes of the past 100 as well as the episode YOU, our audience, voted as your number one favorite episode. In addition, Jon and Les both share a few of their personal insights and takeaways from their EntrePastor journey thus far.Jon’s Top 2 Favorite Episodes:Episode #20 - I Started a Business and Sent My Kid to CollegeEpisode #83 - The Pressure Washing PastorLes’s Top 2 Favori...2023-07-2132 minEntrePastorsIntroducing Pastors Business Alliance (#93)The team at EntrePastors has a big announcement! In this episode, Jon and Les share all the details of our brand new Pastors Business Alliance. The reality is EntrePastors is quickly becoming a hub for pastors and other ministry-minded people all across the nation to come together and build strategic relationships for networking, partnering, and growing together as we launch new and exciting businesses in the marketplace. Pastors Business Alliance is our way to bring one another together for content, coaching, and community. Jon and Les will tell you all about it in this episode and invite you to join...2023-06-0233 minEntrePastorsBringing Business Expertise to the EntrePastor Community - with Shane Odom (#92)In this episode, Jon and Les introduce the newest member of the EntrePastors team. Shane Odom has experienced much success throughout his career in multiple business endeavors. He’s also gained a tremendous amount of knowledge through some of the setbacks and failures he’s encountered along the way. Shane is bringing his many years of business wisdom and experience to the EntrePastors community as a part of our mastermind and through our business consulting services. In this show Shane shares some of his best advice for a pastor who is just getting started in business...2023-05-2642 minEntrePastorsDeveloping Leaders in the Church and Marketplace - with Jason Kempf (#91)In this episode, Jon and Les talk with Jason Kempf. Jason serves on a pastoral team with one of his roles being that of overseeing the vision and strategy for his church along with leadership development. In addition to his pastoral role, Jason is also the founder of exANIMO Solutions, a business that helps other organizations with leadership development and team/organizational culture. Jason is the host of the Leading is Serving Podcast, a show that provides resources and conversations for businesses and organizations promoting a people-first leadership, encouraging leaders to fight for the highest good of oth...2023-05-1957 minEntrePastorsSelling is Serving - with Justin Janowski (#90)In this episode, Jon and Les talk with Justin Janowski. Justin is the founder of Faith 2 Influence, an organization that helps Christian coaches learn how to sell their services so they can make the impact they’ve been called to make in this world. Justin has spent the past 17 years mastering sales, leadership, and business development. In our conversation, we talk about the mindset issues that many pastors need to overcome when it comes to the narrative they’re believing about the nature of sales. Justin will help you discover the “old narrative” you’ve been telling...2023-05-1257 minEntrePastorsThe Family Captain - with John Michael Clark (#89)In this episode, Jon and Les have a conversation with John Michael Clark, the founder of The Family Captain. John Michael has been in pastoral ministry for many years and is currently two years into the planting of Salt Church in Deltaville, VA. John Michael has a gifting and a passion for helping Christian men level-up as husbands and leaders of their families. A few years ago he launched The Family Captain, a business that serves men in this arena through content creation and a transformational 12-week coaching program. John Michael has seen hundreds of men...2023-05-0557 minEntrePastorsImpacting the Mission Field through the Marketplace - with Karis Hortin (#88)In this episode Jon and Les introduce you to an amazing young entrepreneur named Karis Hortin. As a young girl, Karis was adopted from an orphanage in Ethiopia and grew up with a strong desire to eventually return and serve others in a similar place through some kind of missionary work. However, when she took part in the CEO (Creating Entrepreneurial Opportunities) program through her high school, Karis was introduced to the reality that she could make an impact on the mission field through business just as much, if not more, than through what is traditionally thought of...2023-04-2844 minEntrePastorsDon’t Fear Asking for the Sale (#87)While most pastors have the ability to speak boldly from the stage and preach with conviction and authority in calling for people to take steps of action toward life transformation, they can also struggle to have conversations around sales in their marketplace businesses. In this episode, Jon and Les wrestle with the question of why pastors struggle with selling. Together they list multiple reasons for this and how pastors can overcome their fear or discomfort in asking for the sale with their potential clients and customers.This Week's Call To Action:Re...2023-04-2142 minEntrePastors7 Investments Every Pastor Must Make (#84)Recently, both Jon and Les finished reading the book, Buy Back Your Time by Dan Martell. Toward the end of his book Dan shares what he calls the 7 Pillars of Life and talks about how we need to be making investments into every one of these areas. For many pastors and entrepreneurs, it’s often easy to neglect some, or all of these pillars as we are busy working hard to see our churches and businesses grow. In this episode Jon and Les share the list of the 7 Pillars of Life and talk about why each...2023-03-3138 min
REALIFE Conversations for Christian Coaches222: Money Mindset for Pastors and Ministry Leaders, with Jon Sanders & Les Hughes of EntrePastorsWhat does it look like for pastors to earn an income in addition to their ministry role? And how do you make the transition out of vocational ministry into the marketplace? In this episode, I’m joined by Jon Sanders and Les Hughes from EntrePastors, and they are passionate about helping pastors and other ministry leaders with their money mindset. We talk about: Why we struggle to charge for intangible services and skills How money mindset can lead to burnout for pastors who pour out everything for others How min...2023-03-2233 minEntrePastorsFrom Toxic Scarcity to Healthy Abundance - with Eric Reploeg (#82)For anyone who might find themselves serving in a toxic ministry culture where scarcity is the prevailing mindset, yet dreaming of a day where you could be walking in freedom and abundance, this episode is going to be a huge encouragement to you! In this episode, Jon and Les have a conversation with Eric Reploeg about his journey - from his early years in ministry in which he felt somewhat trapped in a toxic and abusive church system that left him barely scraping by to support his family - to eventually finding a much healthier rhythm of h...2023-03-1756 minEntrePastorsWhat if Revival is Coming Through the Marketplace? (#81)Lately we have been hearing a lot about “revival” from various places around the country and globe. Regardless of your opinions on everything that is happening in current events, it’s hard to deny that God seems to be up to something in our day! In this episode Jon and Les have an interesting conversation around the subject of revival. More specifically, they wrestle with the question, “What if God actually wanted to bring revival THROUGH the marketplace?” Could it be that God is actively in the process of getting some of His spiritual leaders and shepherds...2023-03-1035 minEntrePastorsPastor, It’s Time to Launch Your Business! (#79)EntrePastors exists to help pastors and other ministry-minded people achieve financial freedom as they learn to THINK, ACT, and THRIVE as prosperous entrepreneurs. In short, EntrePastors seeks to destroy the narrative of “the starving pastor” that seems to be so prevalent among people of faith in our culture today. Rather than trying to engage in a conversation about how to get churches to pay their pastors larger salaries, Jon and Les believe a much more productive way to help pastors thrive financially is through owning and operating a business in the marketplace. One of the biggest challenges Jon and...2023-02-2430 minEntrePastorsRedefining Success in Ministry and Business - with Tim Winders (#78)In this episode Jon & Les are joined by Tim Winders for a powerful conversation about the need to redefine success both in the church and in the marketplace. Tim has experienced great “success” as the world so often defines it from a financial standpoint. He has also experienced the depths of “losing it all” in a bankruptcy years ago that brought him face to face with the real meaning of success and failure. Tim shares his discovery of living in the kingdom of God versus the systems of this world. He talks about the importance of having our mindset...2023-02-1758 minEntrePastorsUnderstanding the EntrePastor Message (#77)In this episode you will hear Jon & Les share a conversation they had recently with the audience of the 95Podcast. They were invited to give an overview of the EntrePastors platform to a new audience made up largely with pastors of small to mid-size churches. Jon and Les talk about the mission and overall message of EntrePastors. They share why, in light of the massive shifts taking place in the American church and culture today, right now is such a vital time for pastors to be exploring and executing on a plan to develop additional streams of rev...2023-02-1051 minEntrePastorsBalancing Contentment and Ambition in Ministry and Business - with Scott Cramer (#76)How do you balance having a strong drive or ambition to grow and succeed on one hand, with the command to be content in your current circumstances on the other? This is a common struggle for anyone who seeks to live a godly life, yet make a big impact in the world whether through their ministry or business pursuits. In this episode, Jon and Les, along with their guest, Scott Cramer, touch on this theme. Scott entered vocational ministry out of a family-owned business, but he still leans into his entrepreneurial giftings in both pastoral ministry as wel...2023-02-0356 minEntrePastorsHow to Live a Rich Life (#75)What does it take to live a rich life? When people hear the word “rich,” they often immediately equate the term to money and physical possessions. Certainly material wealth can be included in the conversation of what it means to live a rich life, but there is so much more to it! Are you rich? What does this question bring up inside of you? Guilt? Gratitude? Sadness? Joy? In this episode Jon and Les unpack some of the elements necessary for living a rich life. You will be encouraged to consider...2023-01-2739 minEntrePastorsTaking Resources Back for God's Kingdom - with Dustin Alley (#74)In this episode Jon and Les have a conversation with Dustin Alley, a pastor and the founder of Seek Consulting, a business that provides services to help advance Christian leaders in their leadership journey through growing themselves or growing their business. You will hear Dustin share his testimony of coming to know Christ as his Savior and his sense of calling into pastoral ministry. Dustin shares his heart and passion for being in the marketplace as well. He encourages pastors to take proper steps for self-care as they are in the process of serving others in the church and mar...2023-01-2056 minEntrePastorsTurn Your Wound into Your Superpower (#73)In this episode Jon and Les have a conversation about a powerful insight Jon had recently. As he was reading Scott Cramer’s book titled, And Then…Never Stop Sharing Stories, Jon made a connection to an event that took place in the early years of his life. Essentially a negative narrative was formed around the very gift God would use as a major part of the calling on Jon’s life to make an impact in the world. As you listen to Jon unpack this story in more detail, you will be challenged to consider in what ways the enemy...2023-01-1322 minEntrePastorsHow to Create the Best Year Ever (#72)It has been said, “Everyone ends up somewhere; some people end up there ON PURPOSE!” (Andy Stanley) The truth is most people are simply drifting through life on a strong current of complacency and ending up in the random destinations to which it leads. However, some people chart a course for their life and move against that current of complacency and end up in the destinations they chose. In this episode Jon and Les pose some powerful questions and share some practical steps you can take to ensure you end up in a place you actually want to be i...2023-01-0647 minEntrePastorsHow this Missionary Family Established Additional Income Streams - with Shawn Paul (#71)In this episode Jon and Les hear how one missionary family established additional streams of revenue to supplement their financial support from their regular donors. Shawn Paul and his family have been serving as full-time missionaries for the past 9 years. Before going into vocational missions, Paul sold a successful construction company. Years later he would find himself leaning into his entrepreneurial skill set from the mission field as he discovered a way to build income streams teaching others how to succeed in the world of aquaponics. In our interview you will also hear how Shawn is learning to r...2022-12-3049 minEntrePastorsHelping Pastors Find Corporate Jobs - with Eric Hoke (#69)In this episode Jon and Les have a conversation with Eric Hoke about his service to pastors called: I Help Pastors Get Jobs. Eric serves as a church planter in the Bronx. Early on in his church planting endeavor, Eric recognized the need to be a co-vocational pastor as a way of making ends meet financially. He has worked in a corporate setting as a management consultant for many years and understands the needs and culture of corporate America. Recently, Eric saw an opportunity to help other pastors apply for and get hired into similar corporate roles. He ha...2022-12-1650 minEntrePastorsOperating in the Priestly and Kingly Anointing - with Alex Klimchuk (#68)In this episode Jon and Les will introduce you to another amazing entrepreneurial pastor. Alex Klimchuk and his wife Tanya are the founders and Lead Pastors of New Life Church in Sioux Falls, South Dakota. Alex immigrated to the United States from Ukraine as a boy back in 1990. Having a life-long dream of owning his own business someday, Alex started a tree-trimming company while he was still in his late teen years. That business has grown significantly over the years and is now one of the largest tree trimming operations in the region. While Alex had a love...2022-12-0951 minEntrePastors5 Obstacles to Becoming an EntrePastor (#67)In this episode Jon and Les discuss five common obstacles pastors face as they’re thinking about jumping into some kind of entrepreneurial pursuit in addition to their pastoral ministry. Here’s the list that Jon and Les address in this podcast:“I’m called to ministry…not business.”“It’s not ok for me to be wealthy.”“I don’t have permission.”“I don’t have any skills that could be rewarded in the marketplace.”“I’m scared.”If any of these roadblocks are standing in the way of YOU taking action and becoming an entrepastor, we invite you to reach out to Jon and...2022-12-0241 minEntrePastorsCommon Traits of Successful EntrePastors (#66)Success leaves clues. It’s possible to study the lives of others whom we look up to in order to discover some of those clues and then model our own thinking and actions accordingly if we desire to grow in a similar direction. In this episode Jon and Les talk about some of the commonly shared traits among pastors who are thriving in their pastoral ministries and business ventures. Here’s an overview of the big ideas you’ll hear about in this show. Some of the common traits of successful entrepastors are:They have a growth mindset.They exer...2022-11-2534 minEntrePastorsLeveraging Business for the Spread of the Gospel with Ryan Reger (#65)In this episode Jon and Les talk with Ryan Reger about how he has and continues to lean into the specific skills God has given him in the area of business to support and further the spread of the gospel around the world. Ryan has been extremely successful in not only building his own ecommerce business, but has also helped hundreds of other people launch online businesses of their own. In addition to his ecommerce success, Ryan is also the founder of Legendary Virtual Assistance Services. He has a passion for connecting talented VA’s with pastors and o...2022-11-1835 minEntrePastorsImpacting Lives Beyond Academia with Dr. Ivan Parke (#64)In this episode Jon and Les talk with Dr. Ivan Parke about the release of his new book “When Life Meets the Soul: Everyday Lessons from the Book of Job.” Dr. Parke is a professor at Mississippi College who has studied the book of Job extensively throughout the past two decades. He has turned his writings over the years into a book that is the first to be published through EntrePastors Press. Some of the themes we talked about in our conversation include:It’s awesome to get paid to do what you love!Dr. Parke shares his passion...2022-11-1150 minEntrePastorsSecular Culture and Kingdom Opportunities with Wayne Prevett (#63)In this episode Jon and Les have a powerful conversation with returning guest Wayne Prevett. Wayne was first featured on the EntrePastors Podcast in episode #55. Born and raised in Canada, Wayne has witnessed first-hand what it is like trying to do church in a culture that is growing more and more secular. About 20 years ago, Wayne and his wife Rosanne transitioned their role as traditional pastors to more of a marketplace ministry that specializes in serving people in some major life celebrations and rites of passage such as marriage, funerals, and child dedications. Some of the big ideas discussed in t...2022-11-0442 min
Faith + BizJon Sanders & Les Hughes: EntrePastorsJon Sanders and Les Hughes know a hard, rarely shared truth about life in ministry: hundreds of pastors leave vocational ministry every month. Often these departures are unhealthy for the church as well as the pastor and his family. Frequently, financial scarcity and anxiety that comes with it are key factors in the departures. Out of this knowledge, a desire for more financial freedom and margin for their own families, as well as a passion to help others claim that freedom for themselves, Jon and Les founded EntrePastors. In this episode, Jon and Les unpack some of the valuable i...2022-10-211h 11EntrePastorsMacGyver Wisdom for EntrePastors (#61)In this episode Jon and Les share some “Hollywood-inspired” wisdom for pastors who are just getting started in their entrepreneurial journeys. Reaching way back to the classic hit TV show, MacGyver, Jon and Les unpack a great lesson for entrepreneurs. Regardless of the impossible situations MacGyver found himself in, he managed to use whatever tools and resources at his disposal to take care of business and live to fight another day. Sometimes it’s tempting for start-up entrepreneurs to look around at more seasoned veterans of business who are operating at a higher level and assume that unless th...2022-10-2129 min
EntrePastorsA Word For Church Boards (#60)In this episode Jon and Les speak directly to those who sit on boards and leadership teams in churches all across the nation. Unfortunately, in many instances, pastors feel as though their potential to engage in some kind of marketplace ministry will be directly opposed by their boards. Jon and Les have some words of admonition and encouragement for church boards and make a strong case for why it’s a “win-win” scenario for a pastor to be granted the freedom to launch a side-hustle in addition to serving in their pastoral role. Here are some of the big ideas Jon...2022-10-1446 min
EntrePastorsHow Do I Pick a Side-Hustle That’s Guaranteed Not to Fail? (#59)In this episode Jon and Les speak to the pastor who has come to the conclusion that the extra income from a side-hustle would be great, but they have no idea where or how to get started. Generally we find people in this space dealing with two different issues:On one hand, we see the common “problem” of someone having so many ideas they’re struggling to choose the “right” one. On the other hand we work with pastors that truly have no idea what steps to take first or what direction to...2022-10-0735 minEntrePastors#58: Using a Podcast for Business and Ministry (with Chris Grainger)In this episode Jon and Les have a conversation with Chris Grainger. Chris is the founder and host of The Lion Within Us Podcast. Chris has a passion to help Christian men level up in their health, wealth, and self. He shares how he is using his podcast not only as a means of serving others, but also to generate a new stream of revenue. Some of the other topics we talked about in the show are:How Chris transitioned into a marketing role within his company by offering to host a podcast for the organization.How you can...2022-09-3037 minEntrePastors#57: Does the Bible Prohibit a Pastor's Side Hustle?In this episode Jon and Les answer a question that comes up from time to time from pastors who are wrestling with the idea of launching a side-hustle. Although the question gets asked in various ways, at its core is the dilemma some people believe exists for a pastor to have more than one stream of revenue. Much of this thinking stems from a verse in 1 Corinthians 9 that contains the phrase, “those who preach the gospel should receive their living through the gospel.” At first glance, some may interpret this to mean that a pasto...2022-09-2324 minEntrePastors#56: Is Ghostwriting a Good Option for Me? With Nick PavlidisIn this episode Jon and Les talk with Nick Pavlidis about the world of ghostwriting. Nick Pavlidis, is a full-time ghostwriter and coach. Before he launched his career as a ghostwriter, Nick spent 13 years practicing law. Since quitting his last job in the legal industry, he has continued to support his family exclusively from his ghostwriting business. He’s personally ghostwritten many books—including books that achieved bestselling status on the Wall Street Journal, USA Today, LA Times, Independent Bookstores, Amazon (including the #1 nonfiction eBook on all of Amazon), Barnes & Noble (including the #2 paid eB...2022-09-1643 min
The Lion Within Us - Leadership for Christian Men105. EntrePastor Insight With Les Hughes & Jon SandersFinancial freedom and meaningful work can coexist! In this powerful conversation Jon Sanders and Les Hughes from EntrePastors share their insight on how to make this a reality. They have a mission of helping those in ministry create amazing paths of earning potential to break the "starving pastor" stigma. The same principles they teach pastors can be applied to all Believers and the wisdom they shared is truly incredible.For full show note details, go to the episode webpage: https://thelionwithin.us/podcast/105-entrepastor-insight-with-les-hughes-john-sanders/Check out these resources:Ready to stop drifting and le...2022-08-3158 min
The Faith Breathed Hope podcastSegway Between Business and Ministery Interview with Jon Sanders and Les HughesIn this episode, I speak with Co- founders of EntrePastor and Co-hosts of the EntrePastor Podcast, Jon Sanders and Les Hughes on the Segway Between Business and Ministry. While many struggle with the idea of combining business with ministery, Jon and Les share how bringing God into your business can propel your ministry forward while serving the Kingdom. Find Jon and Les: website, podcast A Free Guide: 50 Business Ideas Other available Resourses: Healthy Nutrition for Adults and Kids Join the Abundantly Rooted Life Community Grab your Artza Sub...2022-08-2338 minEntrePastors#52: Launching a Low-Content Book Business with Faye RuchIn this episode Jon and Les have a conversation with Faye Ruch. Faye has recently launched a business that produces “low-content” materials such as journals and workbooks for other content creators and pastors. She has done an amazing job creating a workbook for the EntrePastors Roadmap to Financial Freedom and Jon and Les wanted to share her as a great resource for those in our community who could benefit from her services. In addition to highlighting Faye’s new business, here are some of the other topics that were covered in this conversation:Instead of thinking about retirement in the tr...2022-08-1941 minEntrePastors#51: Why Strategy MattersIn this episode Jon and Les talk about why it’s so important to have a clear strategy to follow as you embark upon your EntrePastor journey. The reality is that big ideas and vision alone will not produce great results. There needs to be a clear plan to follow to help your EntrePastor vision become a reality. Having a clear strategy also helps you overcome a natural sense of being overwhelmed with the magnitude of the big picture as you set clear next steps that will move you forward down the path.Links & Resources2022-08-1226 minEntrePastors#50: Which Pathway Will Guarantee My Financial Success?In this episode Jon and Les list the three major pathways they are currently encouraging pastors to consider taking on their own entrepreneurial pastor journeys. They offer up some practical advice for someone who may just be getting started down one of these three pathways.In the backstage segment of this episode, Jon shares an update on a recent “pathway pivot” he is taking and talks about the success that he is having down that road.Links & ResourcesLearn more about the Pastor's Roadmap to Financial Success. Our free Get Started Guide at ent...2022-08-0550 minEntrePastors#49: Snowflake PastorsIn this episode Jon and Les share why it’s so important for pastors to take the time to do some careful self-assessment before starting out on their EntrePastor journey. The truth is we have all been individually and uniquely created by God. As a result, none of our paths will look exactly identical to anyone else’s path. Yet, in ministry, we so often try to align our lives to the models and expectations of others, which ends up causing us to try to live out of someone else’s design instead of our own...2022-07-3028 minEntrePastors#48: Three Mindset Shifts Pastors Need to EmbraceIn this episode Jon and Les share why it’s so important for a pastor to be aware of their mindset around ministry, money, and movement if they want to get out of the financial struggle that is all too real for most pastors. In the backstage portion of this episode Jon and Les share one more mindset shift that pastors need to embrace: I can think my way into a better future. Links & ResourcesLearn more about the Pastor's Roadmap to Financial Success. Our free Get Started Guide at entrepastors.com/start ...2022-07-2235 minEntrePastors#47: A Pastor's Roadmap to Financial FreedomIn this episode Jon and Les make a huge announcement about the new and improved success path they have defined to help pastors achieve financial freedom. Jon and Les share how pastors can break away from a place of poverty and scarcity and move toward financial abundance and margin in their lives. The newly defined success path helps pastors in four primary ways:Mindset - We will help you expose and challenge the limiting beliefs that are keeping you stuck in a place of financial scarcity and struggle.Assessment - We...2022-07-1546 minEntrePastors#44: Business + Mission = B.O.O.M. with Mike ThakurIn this episode Jon and Les talk with Mike Thakur. Mike tried serving for a season in a traditional pastoral role, but quickly learned that God had gifted him for ministry in the marketplace. Mike has a passion for kingdom focused entrepreneurship and seeks to help others embrace God’s plan to change the world through missions. Some of the topics we discuss in this interview are:Mike’s mantra is “Business + Mission = B.O.O.M. (Business Operating On Mission)Mike talks about how his success in business fuels his ability to be generous t...2022-06-2454 minEntrePastors#43: The Wealth of Connection (with Vincent Pugliese)In this episode Jon and Les talk with Vincent Pugliese. Among many other amazing accomplishments, Vincent is the author of The Wealth of Connection: A New Approach to Making Business Personal. Vincent believes that so much of the entrepreneurial world is people first creating a product, then trying to hustle to get others to buy their product. And in their rush to hustle and sell, many people fail at the most basic level to truly connect with others so they can serve them well. Vincent’s new book turns that paradigm upside-down as he makes a case...2022-06-1749 minEntrePastors#42: A Better Funding Model for Missions (with Katie Hornor)In this episode Jon and Les talk with Katie Hornor, the founder and CEO of Handprint Legacy. Katie and her family have served as missionaries in Mexico for many years. They started their missionary journey under a traditional funding model that had them traveling, raising financial support from outside donors, and ultimately being dependent upon those donations for ongoing support. However, along the way they found a better, and much more profitable model for funding the work they feel God has called them to in the world. Katie runs a successful business that not o...2022-06-1050 minEntrePastors#41: More Than a Pastor (with Rich Avery)In this episode Jon and Les talk with Rich Avery from “More Than A Pastor.” Rich has served in pastoral ministry for over 20 years. All throughout his ministry he has been drawn to, and often had involvement in, other entrepreneurial pursuits in addition to his pastoral work. His newest business is focused on helping other pastors just like himself realize that they too are “more than a pastor.” Some of the topics we discuss in this interview are:It’s possible for a pastor to have a heart for both the church and the marketplace. You don’t need to make them...2022-06-0348 min
The Mike Thakur PodcastEntrepreneurship + Pastoring = Entrepastors w/ Jon Sanders & Les HughesJon Sanders and Les Hughes are the co-founders of EntrePastors, and co-hosts of the EntrePastors podcast. Jon and Les have come together to empower pastors to maximize their God-given talents to take better care of their families and become better pastors in the process.
EntrePastors helps pastors think, act, and thrive as prosperous entrepreneurs. The goal of EntrePastors is to blow up the model of the starving pastor and build a community of prosperous pastors who can provide well for their families and demonstrate generosity to others.
On this episode we talk about why they're...2022-05-2743 minEntrePastors#40: Helping Pastors Preach Better Online Sermons with David MurrowIn this episode Jon and Les talk with David Murrow about his new course that is helping pastors preach better online sermons. David has spent his career working as a successful television producer, director, and storyteller. He has a passion for helping pastors do a better job of connecting with their audiences both in person and online. David is a great example of someone in our community who is executing the information based pathway of entrepreneurialism as he takes his message and passion and has created a product and service around it. Some of the othe...2022-05-2743 minEntrePastors#39: From Pastor to Ghostwriter with Kent SandersIn this episode Jon and Les have a conversation with Kent Sanders. A few years ago Kent made a transition out of pastoral ministry and into a full-time career as a ghostwriter. Here are some of the topics Kent shared with us in this interview:Many pastors are unaware of how possible and profitable a side hustle as a ghostwriter could be.It’s important to have the right mindset around “quitting ministry.”It’s also important to have a healthy mindset around the subject of money.Kent has found much more opportunity for ministry in the marketplace than he di...2022-05-2048 min
Eternal LeadershipEntrePastors | Jon Sanders and Les Hughes 411Jon Sanders and Les Hughes know a hard, rarely shared truth about life in ministry: that hundreds of pastors leave vocational ministry every month. Frequently, financial scarcity and anxiety that comes with it are key factors in the departures. Out of this knowledge, a desire for more financial freedom and margin for their own families, and a passion to help others claim that freedom for themselves, EntrePastors was born. EntrePastors helps pastors think, act, and thrive as prosperous entrepreneurs. Through podcasts, a membership community, and mastermind groups, EntrePastors provides the tools and support community to help pastors and other...2022-05-1733 minEntrePastors#38: Six Components of a Fail-Proof Business PlanIn this episode Jon and Les pull back the curtain to share some details of their journey building out the EntrePastors platform. As they do this, they share the following six components of a fail-proof business plan that is helping them achieve success in their business:Set your goals and have a plan.Take action!Get the right people around you.Accept the fact that you are in sales!Be willing to pivot.Don’t quit too soon.In the backstage portion of this episode Jon and Les share one more bonus tip that new ent...2022-05-1332 minEntrePastors#36: Keep Your Day JobOne trait that is common among entrepreneurs is the thrill of the start-up. Often we enjoy going “all-in” on new projects or pursuing our latest idea. Sometimes we are even tempted to walk away from our day job as we believe it’s holding us back from experiencing success in our newest side hustle. In this episode Jon and Les discuss this tendency and offer up the challenge to “keep your day job” while you’re pursuing and building other streams of income. In this show you will learn:On average, wealthy people have seven different streams of income while poo...2022-04-2931 minEntrePastorsProfitable Ministry to Marriages (with Tony and Alisa DiLorenzo)In this episode Jon and Les talk with Tony and Alisa DiLorenzo about their business that ministers to married couples.Tony and Alisa are the hosts of the ONE Extraordinary Marriage Podcast. They have also written a book called The 6 Pillars of Intimacy. They offer live events and coaching with couples as well. They are a great example of how someone can leverage a message in a way that serves many people and produces financial profit at the same time.In the backstage portion of this episode Tony & Alisa talk about the value the...2022-04-1545 minEntrePastors#33: How to Increase My Capacity as an EntrePastorFor most pastors, becoming an EntrePastor will require LEVELING-UP! In this episode Jon and Les share some key areas where pastors will likely need to increase their capacity in order to succeed as EntrePastors.If we desire to get to the next level in our lives, it will often require that we increase our capacity in some key areas including:KnowledgeTimeFinancesThinkingRelationshipsPhysical HealthIn the backstage portion of this episode Jon and Les both share one specific story of how they have increased their capacity as a part of their EntrePastor journey.Show...2022-04-0846 minEntrePastors#32: Part-Time Pastoring, Part Two (with Sean Benesh)In this episode Jon and Les have a conversation with Sean Benesh. Sean co-authored the book Part-Time Pastoring: Leading God’s People by Integrating Faith and Work. Not only does Sean serve as a pastor/church planter, he also has developed multiple other streams of income through various skills, passions, and abilities that God has given him.Show Notes & Resources:In the backstage portion of this episode Sean explains his statement from his book that “many full-time church planters and pastors spend a good chunk of their time doing stupid things.” (It’s a time mana...2022-04-0142 minEntrePastors#31: Pastoring Part-Time, Part One (with Andy Littleton)In this episode Jon and Les have a conversation with Andy Littleton. Andy co-authored the book Part-Time Pastoring: Leading God’s People by Integrating Faith and Work. Andy has been in some form of ministry since age 18, but has always dabbled in other vocational endeavors. In 2014, Andy began pastoring Mission Church in Tucson, AZ. Throughout his journey, Andy has founded a small handyman company, Midtown Artisans, and MESA shop.Show Notes & Resources:In the backstage portion of this episode Andy shares the answer to a question he gets on a reg...2022-03-2550 min
The KOG Entrepreneur ShowJon Sanders & Les Hughes - Founders of Entrepastors - The KOG Entrepreneur Show - Ep. 71In this interview, Steven Harris talks with Jon Sanders and Les Hughes who discuss their movement called Entrepastors. This group is dedicated to helping ministers create a systematic approach to finding extra streams of income, so they are not merely limited to depending on their church's for economic survival. This conversation is about pastors going from a place of surviving financially to finding ways to live and thrive using their own skills and talents to get ahead. The conversation also discusses how Entrepastors has a community for more serious entrepreneurs to find solace through Mastermind gatherings and creating a...2022-03-2346 minEntrePastors#29: How to Turn Up Your Financial ThermostatIn this episode of EntrePastors, Les and Jon cover common money mindset struggles that pastors face and also share how to overcome these struggles through financial literacy, a biblical mindset and additional streams of income.Resources:EntrePastors.comEntrePastors Backstage Pass2022-03-1145 minEntrePastors#28: Why Pastors Should Consider Writing a BookOn this episode of the EntrePastors Podcast Jon and Les interview David Hancock. David is the Founder and CEO of Morgan James Publishing. We discuss the benefits that can be realized when a pastor writes and publishes a book of their own. David shares some helpful tips on how pastors can build, write, publish, and sell their books. In addition, we make an awesome announcement as we introduce EntrePastors Press to the world! EntrePastors Press will be an imprint of Morgan James Publishing. In the days to come we will be...2022-03-0444 minEntrePastors#25: Pivoting from Pastoral to Marketplace Ministry with Brian and Victoria MiningerWhile many people may consider “quitting” the pastorate as an exit out of ministry, our guests today are a shining example of the opposite. In this episode Jon and Les interview Brian and Victoria Mininger about their journey from pastoral ministry to marketplace ministry. Even though they experienced some painful situations along their journey, Brian and Victoria now find themselves owning and operating a successful business that is ministering to people in very real and powerful ways.Resources:EntrePastors.comEntrePastors Backstage Pass2022-02-1139 min
The 95 Podcast: Conversations for Small-Church PastorsHow To Be A Pastor And An Entrepreneur (w/ Jon Sanders and Les Hughes) - Episode 115“Following God’s calling into ministry doesn’t mean you have to live a life of scarcity and meagerness.”As pastors themselves, Jon and Les are familiar with the struggles that many people in ministry face when it comes to financial freedom. That’s why they’ve made it their mission to show other pastors how to use their gifts to create new streams of income. They’re passionate about helping pastors use added income to live more comfortably, start saving, and simply enjoy more opportunities.Have you thought (or even dreamt) about owning a business outsi...2022-02-0856 minEntrePastors#24: Entepastor Success Story with Ryan HaydenIn this episode Jon and Les interview Pastor Ryan Hayden. Ryan is experiencing amazing success both as a small church pastor and a software developer. Ryan shares his story of how his church has benefited from him being an entrepreneur as well as why he believes the entrepastor model is a better option for small church pastors.Resources:EntrePastors.comEntrePastors Backstage Pass2022-02-0432 minEntrePastors#21: Is It OK to WANT to Be an EntrePastor? (A Coaching Conversation)In this episode Jon and Les engage in a coaching conversation with Ben Watt. Ben has served in several pastoral roles and has a huge heart for the Church. But Ben also has so many ideas about businesses that he would like to start and operate that could help serve others and increase his own ability to give generously to God’s kingdom work. We believe you will find some encouraging and thought-provoking takeaways from this powerful coaching conversation.Resources:EntrePastors.comEntrePastors Backstage Pass2022-01-141h 09EntrePastors#18: From the Pulpit to Presenting to Corporations with Scott HobbsIn this episode Jon and Les talk with Scott Hobbs about his transition out of traditional pastoral ministry and into the marketplace doing various presentations in corporate settings.Resources:EntrePastors.comEntrePastors Backstage Pass2021-12-2430 minEntrePastors#17: Common Roadblocks for EntrePastorsIn this episode Jon and Les talk about several common obstacles that stand in the way of pastors pursuing an entrepreneurial endeavor.Show Notes:What are some common roadblocks/obstacles that stand in the way of someone becoming an EntrePastor?Fear:Fear of what people/church will think.Fear that I don’t have permission to be more than a pastor.Fear of failure.Fear of success?OverwhelmDownload our Get Started GuideReluctance to take action....2021-12-1743 minEntrePastors#13: Time Management for an EntrepastorOne of the biggest challenges that pastors face in day to day ministry is the demands upon their schedule. They often feel as though they don’t have enough time in the day to accomplish everything that needs to get done. This can be a real roadblock when a pastor is considering launching a side hustle or business of their own. In this episode Jon and Les share several practical ways pastors can manage their time in order to create the margin needed to be a successful EntrePastor.Resources:EntrePastors.comEntre...2021-11-1833 minEntrePastors#6 How To Build a Successful E-commerce Business (with Ryan Reger)In this episode, Jon and Les interview entrepreneur and E-Commerce pro Ryan Reger on the benefits and finer details of E-commerce and how multiple streams of income can help entrepastors. Mentioned Resources:You're invited to EntrePastors Live! this October.2021-10-0153 minEntrePastors#5: Permission to Pivot (with Dan Miller)In this episode, Jon and Les sit down with their friend and mentor, Dan Miller, author of 48 Days to the Work You Love and share not only how pivoting toward entrepreneurship helped them embrace God's full purpose for their lives but also how it can help you do the same. Mentioned Resources:You're invited to EntrePastors Live! this October.2021-09-2452 minEntrePastors#4: Big Things Coming for EntrePastorsIn this episode, Les and Jon unpack several things coming your way including a membership opportunity and some very special guest interviews.Mentioned Resources:You're invited to EntrePastors Live! this October.2021-09-1832 minEntrePastors#3: Which Type of Entrepastor Are You?Entrepastors come in all shapes and sizes and from all stages of ministry and the EntrePastors podcast is for every entrepastor. In this episode of EntrePastors, Jon and Les walk through four common types of entrepastors -- pastors who are also entrepreneurs -- and encourage you to think through each type and answer the question, "Which type of entrepastor are you?"4 Types of Entrepastors: 1. Pastors who love ministry but who are entrepreneurial and want to also start a business. 2. Pastors who are transitioning out of ministry. 3. Pastors...2021-09-0931 minEntrePastors#2: Why Being an EntrePastor Is a Good ThingIn this episode, Jon and Les discuss what it looks like to be an EntrePastor and why adding at least one or two more streams of income to your pastoral salary is a good thing. Listen in to be encouraged and motivated to pursue your next worthy endeavor.Mentioned ResourcesYou're invited to EntrePastors Live! this October.2021-09-0324 min