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Two Dudes and Killer TunesTDaKT: S3 EP10 Jason WaggonerIn this episode, the Two Dudes welcom Jason Waggoner back to the show. Jason was first on TDaKT for S2 EP18 and spent almost three hours jibber jabbering This time came in around an hour while Jason gave an update on what he has been up to in the last year. He is still playing non stop, creating new music, and has found a nice little foothold in LA that seems to have given him even more inspiration. One thing is certain, he has definitely stepped up his Social Media game in the last year...2025-07-0157 min
Two Dudes and Killer TunesTDaKT: S3 EP9 Shayne O'KeefeFor S3 EP9, the Two Dudes welcomed Shayne O'Keefe to the new Studio in Redford, MI. We met Shayne when his band Gusher opened up for Frank Black at Saint Andrew's Hall in Detroit on 1.28.25. The band was awesome and we met Shayne outside after his set. It was cool to hear how Shayne got his start in music and more specifically how he became the frontman for Gusher. Shayne is also the owner of Metropolis Bicycles in the Corktown area of Detroit. Great story about a guy who never wanted to be a frontman...2025-06-171h 20
Two Dudes and Killer TunesTDaKT: S3 EP8 Patrick SimmonsIn S3 EP8, the Two Dudes welcomed Mista Grinch, Patrick Simmons, to the Studio for the last episode before the big move. Patrick is a rapper based out of Pontiac and is a member of the Cypher Society. If you haven't heard of it, make sure to check this out. It was cool to hear how he got his start and what he is working on now. He has some new music dropping soon with Scar Face, Ice Cube and, On Point, can't wait to check it out.2025-06-0352 min
Two Dudes and Killer TunesTDaKT: S3 EP7 E and Tank, The Extended Play PodcastIn S3 EP7, the Two Dudes welcom E and Tank from the Extended Play Podcast to the original Studio for one of the final two episodes. One of the few times where we fill out all four seats. Love what these two are doing with their Detroit area based Podcast, which is where Kal first found them. One of our favoities episodes was when E was breaking down NWA's Straight Outta Compton, a classic for sure. We could have gone another couple hours with these guys easily, can't wait to get them back on again.2025-05-201h 36
Two Dudes and Killer TunesTDaKT: S3 EP6 Anne HarrisIn S3 EP6, the Two Dudes welcome Anne Harris to the show for the first remote episode of the season. Kal saw Anne perform with Cracker at the Magic Bag in Ferndale back in January where she tore the stage up with her fiddle and passion. Anne's passion for live music is infectious and we were so excited when she accepted our invitation to be on the show. Not only does Anne play with Cracker, but she has a stellar solo career with a new album out now. Make sure to listen in to hear...2025-05-061h 24
Two Dudes and Killer TunesTDaKT: S3 EP5 Jenn VernonIn this episode, the Two Dudes invite Jenn Vernon to the studio. Jenn became a fixture in Season 2 as she was in the audience for a couple episodes and was at the Green Day/Smashing Pumpkins Tailgate episode at Comerica Park. This time, its Jenn's turn behind the microphone. If you love the Tragically Hip, then you should listen to this epsisode because Jenn is a super fan.2025-04-221h 18
Two Dudes and Killer TunesTDaKT: S3 EP4 Cedric LeDuffIn this episode, the Two Dudes have Cedric LeDuff in the studio pause and by the end, it was one of our favorite episodes. Kal met Cedric through social media when he started Two Dudes and Killer Tunes two years ago and it has turned into a great friendship. Cedric is a major player in the Pontiac scene with Tha Muzik Shop, his internet radio station and also DJs all over the place under DJ NuffCed. Cedric also hosts "Tha Rise & Grind Show" on Monday mornings from 7am - 9am, which will feature the Two...2025-04-081h 51
Two Dudes and Killer TunesTDaKT: S3 EP3 John PenmanOn this episode, the Two Dudes welcome John Penman to the show. Kal and Neil met John while tailgating at the Billy Strings show at Pine Knob Music Theatre last October. The Two Dudes were recording tailgate episode and John was filming a documentary. Listen in as we talk music, beer, some of John's other projects, and so much more.2025-03-251h 19
Two Dudes and Killer TunesTDaKT: S3 EP2 Erik ShambergerIn this episode, the Two Dudes welcome Erik Shamberger to the show. Kal and Erik played high school soccer together and went to the State Finals in '90 but haven't seen each other since. Erik has seen some great shows, including Alice in Chains at the State Theatre in Detroit (now the Fillmore), the Smashing Pumpkins at the Breslin Center at MSU, and he has seen Pearl Jam about 15 times. Make sure to listen in as they get down to the bottom of Hot Dog-Gate, Erik's Forever Five, and so much more.2025-03-111h 43
Two Dudes and Killer TunesTDaKT: S3 EP1 Travis FrittsSeason 3 is here and we had a blast recording this one on location at Old Nation Brewing Co. with Owner and Master Brewer, Travis Fritts. Listen in to find out how Travis ended up being one of 16 German certified Master Brewers in the US at the age of 23. Also, Travis and Kal realized they were at the same Smashing Pumpkins show at the Breslin Center at MSU in April '94. Not only does Travis know beer, he was in bands his whole life, anything with strings, he'd play it. Had a great time and can see having...2025-02-251h 10
Two Dudes and Killer TunesTDaKT: S2 EP28 Season 2 ReviewThis is the last episode of Season 2. Join the Two Dudes as they talk about some of their favorite episodes from Season2 along with some of their favorite concerts during the Season including Big Head Todd and the Monsters, SESSANTA, Peter Hook & The Light, Green Day/Smashing Pumpkins, Billy Strings, and so many more. They also talk about some things coming up in Season 3 which they will start recording in mid February, with the first guest being DJ Nuff Ced, Cedric LeDuff2025-01-1450 min
Two Dudes and Killer TunesTDaKT: S2 EP27 Emily KaliszewskiIn this episode, the Two Dudes invite Emily Kaliszewski to the show. Emily is Kal's wife so you get to hear first hand what she thought of Kal starting a podcast, and how he woke her up making the infamous TDaKT tapestry we use in every show.. Also hear about their trips to Chicago for Lollapalooza in August and the Smashing Pumpkins at the Aragon Ballroom in December. Listen in as Emily talks about meeting Michael Glabicki of Rusted Root, going to the Lil Wayne vs Drake show, and saving some kid at Lollapallooza. Emily also discusses...2024-12-312h 00
Two Dudes and Killer TunesTDaKT: S2 EP26 Don McLeanIn this episode, the Two Dudes invite Don McLean, owner of McLean Media to the studio. After spending years in the corporate world, Don started his Media Company almost three years ago and he has been hustling ever since. One thing we didn’t know going in was that Don is quite an accomplished Saxophonist, playing in his first Bar Gig with the Blue Notes at the ripe old age of 10 and then starting his first band at 14. We had a blast recording this one, hope you find it as interesting as we did. Just to confirm, he is no...2024-12-171h 57
Two Dudes and Killer TunesTDaKT: S2 EP25: Chvron BuffetIn this episode, Kal and Neil invite the band Chvron Buffet to the Studio via Zoom. This new band consists of Peter DiStefano (Porno for Pyros), Ray Mazza, Matt Volpe, and Wendy Burke. They joined us from Ray's Studio in Brooklyn. Listen in as we learn some of their favorite artists, how they came up with their name, and what it means to our like Mike Watt. Unfortunately, in between the time we recorded in October and release date, the band is no longer working together at this point2024-12-0337 min
Two Dudes and Killer TunesTDaKT: S2 EP24 Billy Strings TailgateFor this episode, the Two Dudes take the show on the road again for their final tailgate episode of Season 2. This time, they are at Billy Strings Night Two on 10.5.24 for the final show of the Pine Knob Season. Some fans may remember, the Two Dudes also opened the Pine Knob concert season with the SESSANTA Tailgate. This was the best tailgate so far, the crowd was amazing and we had a gorgeous fall day. There were some awesome guests including Amy Kreiger and her wife Erin Powers, all the way from Cleveland for their first Billy...2024-11-191h 20
Two Dudes and Killer TunesTDaKT: S2 EP23 Dave ReaIn this episode, the Two Dudes welcome Dave Rea to the Studio. Kal and Neil have known Dave for about 30 years playing beer league soccer and golf league. Listen in as they cover Dave's love of unsuccessfully trying bicycle kick, how he started his comedy career, and why he has a stuffed parrot with him. Back in April, the Two Dudes, Dave, and some others made their way to Detroit for the Black Crowes in style and saw an amazing show at the Fillmore Detroit. Make sure to check this one out, Rea is always a good...2024-11-051h 26
Two Dudes and Killer TunesTDaKT: S2 EP22 Eric Weiner, The Wild Honey PieIn this episode, the Two Dudes dust off their Zoom skills to have Eric Weiner on the show. Eric founded The Wild Honey Pie over 15 years ago as a Music Blog and has been grinding to transform it into what it is today. Make sure to check this one out, you may just find yourself at one of The Wild Honey Pie's parties.2024-10-2250 min
Two Dudes and Killer TunesTDaKT: S2 EP21 Saviors Tour Tailgate at Comerica ParkFor S2 EP21, the Two Dudes took the show on the road again to Comerica Park in Detroit for the Saviors Tour with Green Day and the Smashing Pumpkins on 9.4.24. It was another successful tailgate and met some new supporters and had some OGs on as well. One highlight was Alan Placek being on the show for his third time, bringing him into a tie with Jon Schack for the most times on Two Dudes and Killer Tunes This was the fourth time for Kal seeing the Smashing Pumpkins since 5.28,22 and the third for Neil. It was the first...2024-10-081h 17
Two Dudes and Killer TunesTDaKT: S2 EP20 Pearl Jam Tailgate with the Maliszewski'sFor this episode the Two Dudes take the show on the road to Ruoff Music Center (Deer Creek) in Noblesville, IN for the Pearl Jam show. Unfortunately, Neil couldn't make it to the show because real life got in the way. This episode is only the second time that Two Dudes and Killer Tunes has had a guest host, with Jake Jeakle taking the seat to Kal's left. This show was the make up date after being postponed from 9.10.23. The first half of the episode is with Chris Maliszewski and then finishes with Chris and his dad...2024-09-241h 02
Two Dudes and Killer TunesTDaKT: S2 EP19 Kevin BraceFor Episode 19, the Two Dudes invited Kevin Brace to the Studio. Kal has known Kevin since elementary school but they haven't seen each other since graduating high school in '93. Kevin has always had music in his life and spends a lot of time in "Braceland" working on his craft. He was one of the lucky ones that was able to see the Jack White show at Saint Andrews Hall, truly a once in a lifetime show. Make sure to check this one out, there is a great story about Beastie Boys "Egg Man", just shows you...2024-09-101h 24
Two Dudes and Killer TunesTDaKT: S2 EP18 Jason WaggonerIn Episode 18, the Two Dudes welcomed Jason Waggoner to the Studio. This was the first time that Kal and Neil met or spoke to Jason in our lives, everything was all handled via messenger prior to the show. Jason has been playing guitar and singing for his whole life and just recently released his single called "The Scribe" which is now available for download. We had an awesome time filming this one, going over two hours, which is now our longest episode to date. We were all over the place with this one, but had...2024-08-272h 12
Two Dudes and Killer TunesTDaKT: S2 EP17 The MarinaFor Episode 17, the Two Dudes take the show on the road to Lambrecht Marina to hang out with S2 EP5 guest Alan Placek. Alan has his boat, the Last Defender docked here and we had a great time hanging out and catching up since he was in the Studio last February.Alan has some cool shows coming up, including Kings of Leon in Cincinnati, floor tickets for the Smashing Pumpkins/Green Day show in Detroit, and Johnny Marr and James in Detroit. Alan has now entered the Two Time Guest club2024-08-1351 min
Two Dudes and Killer TunesTDaKT: S2 EP16 Gio GentileIn Episode 16, the Two Dudes welcome Giovanni Gentile to the studio all the way from Austin, TX. Gio was good friends with S1 EP3 guest, Paul Kaliszewski, in high school and they always brought Kal around for the ride even though they were a few years older. All of them ended up playing on the same men's club team, the Marauders with Kal joining the team at 16. It was around this time when the three of them went to Milan Dragway in Milan, MI for Lollapalooza '93 which included Tool, Dinosaur Jr., Alice In Chains, and Primus. 2024-07-301h 43
Two Dudes and Killer TunesTDaKT: S2 EP15 Marco Sanchez and Avery KaliszewskiIn this episode the Two Dudes invite Marco Sanchez and Avery Kaliszewski to the show. Marco and Avery have been friends for a while now and both went to Tyler, the Creator with Kal back in '22 at Little Caesar's Arena. Since then, these two took a road trip to Milwaukee with some other friends to see Travis Scott. It was good to learn about some new bands and artists we've never heard of, who the F is Ski Mask? Listen to our Playlist for this one to find out. Note: Avery Kaliszewski is now one of...2024-07-161h 04
Two Dudes and Killer TunesTDaKT: S2 EP14 Mid Season ReviewIn this episode, the Two Dudes take a break from having guests to review Season 2 so far. Join us as we discuss the new features for Season 2, including Playlists for each episode, our new Two Dudes and Live Tunes Facebook Group, and more tailgate episodes. Make sure to check it out as we discuss some cool guests coming up as well as our full list of concerts we have on the horizon.2024-07-021h 21
Two Dudes and Killer TunesTDaKT: S2 EP13 Mustapha HaidarThe Two Dudes invite Kal's son-in-law, Mustapha "Moose" Haidar to the show. Listen in as the discuss the Lumineers shows they've been to, as well as Kal's first Country Show, Kane Brown at Little Caesar's Arena. Moose is a big Country fan and even hit up the Luke Bryan Farm Series of shows in Fowlerville, MI. He also makes a damn good brisket.2024-06-181h 07
Two Dudes and Killer TunesTDaKT: S2 EP12 Keith O'ConnorJoin the Two Dudes as they have one of the OGs on, Keith O'Connor. Keith was a transplant to UDM from Cincinnati and the fit right in from day one. Listen in as they talk UDM, Soccer, their first concert together, and the mutual love for all things Wilco. This episode has been about 30 years in the making and we had a blast, buckle up and enjoy the ride.2024-06-041h 41
Two Dudes and Killer TunesTDaKT: S2 EP11 SESSANTA TailgateThe Two Dudes hit the road for the first time Season 2 for this tailgate episode. They traveled to Pine Knob Music Theatre for the opening night of the concert season to see SESSANTA. It was a blast connecting with new supporters and catching up with some OGs while waiting for the big birthday bash to begin.2024-05-211h 15
Two Dudes and Killer TunesTDaKT: S2 EP10 Eric SerattiIn this episode, Eric Seratti joins the Two Dudes to discuss Metal, Whiskey, Corey Feldman and so much more. Kal and Eric graduated High School together in '93 and this was the first time they've seen each other in over 30 years. When it comes to music, Eric is all Metal all the time, seeing Slip Knot 33 times in five different countries. Listen in to hear about his experiences at Woodstock '99, Knot Fest, meeting Henry Rollins, and that one time he went to the Lilith Fair.2024-05-071h 30
Two Dudes and Killer TunesTDaKT: S2 EP9 Justin DunckelIn this episode, the hosts of Two Dudes and Killer Tunes invite Justin Dunckel to the show. Kal has known Justin for over 30 years, dating back to when he played soccer with Kal’s brother, Paul. The last time Kal and Justin saw each other was on Titan Field at the University of Detroit Mercy, where UDM upended Butler 3-1. Justin has a bit of an eclectic taste when it comes to music, you will see what I mean when you watch/listen. In the end, looks like the Two Dudes will be heading to Peter Hook and the Li...2024-04-231h 27
Two Dudes and Killer TunesTDaKT: S2 EP8 Joe NoraListen in as the Two Dudes invite Joe Nora to the show. We've known Joe for decades, going back to our soccer days. Since then, Joe has been in numerous bands as lead singer and guitarist. They talk about Grand Circus' latest show at the Token Lounge in Westland, MI. Also, find out what happens when you are on the wrong side of some good ole fashioned trash talking from the Kaliszewski brothers2024-04-091h 28
Two Dudes and Killer TunesTDaKT: S2 EP7 Elaina HaidarA special episode for Kal as his daughter, Elaina Haidar joins the Two Dudes. Listen as they talk about all the concerts Kal took her to over the years as well as some really cool shows Kal wishes he was at. Elaina fills us in on her Forever 5, and if you know her mom, the apple isn't far from the tree.2024-03-261h 06
Two Dudes and Killer TunesTDaKT: S2 EP6 Erin PowersJoin us as we invite Erin Powers to the show. Kal has known Erin for over 20 years and connected immediately on music. Erin has been to hundreds of shows, including Brandi Carlile over 50 times!! Listen as she talks about Woodstock '99, the Cleveland music scene and so much more. And make sure to check out the end where she surprises Kal and Neil wth something for the Two Dudes Studio2024-03-121h 15
Two Dudes and Killer TunesTDaKT: S2 EP5 Alan PlacekWhat happens when you get two soccer goalkeepers together to talk music? Find out when the Two Dudes have Alan Placek on for an episode. Kal and Neil played against Alan in college, they were our biggest rivals. Check out to see what surprise the Two Dudes have for Alan and listen in as we talk about Ministry, Smashing Pumpkins, Green Day and so much more.2024-02-271h 04
Two Dudes and Killer TunesTDaKT: S2 EP4 Lori and Brian StrattonJoin the Two Dudes as they invite Lori and Brian Stratton to the show. Listen as they talk to Lori about "The Stratton Setlist", The National's Festival in Cincinnati, and their love for local music.2024-02-131h 01
Two Dudes and Killer TunesTDaKT: S2 EP3 DeHoNot one to miss as the Two Dudes have one of Kal's oldest friends, DeHo on the show. They talk about a cool festival DeHo saw in Ireland, the sweet fake band they had in elementary school, and Kal lets everyone in on a secret he has been keeping for over 30 years.2024-01-301h 45
Two Dudes and Killer TunesTDaKT: S2 EP2 The SchacksThe Two Dudes invite Jon Schack back on the show to discuss all the shows we have coming up in the New Year. He also brought along his son Nathan who has been one of our earliest supporters.2024-01-161h 25
Two Dudes and Killer TunesTDaKT: S2 EP1 Paul GrassoThe Two Dudes sit down with Paul Grasso and discuss the hundreds of shows he's been to all over the US. Kal played soccer with Paul's brother about 30 years ago, but just met Paul at the Ben Harper show at the Royal Oak Music Theatre in Royal Oak, MI on 10.10.22. After another chance meeting at the Liz Phair show in Detroit, we figured no better way to start Season 2.2024-01-0247 min
Two Dudes and Killer TunesTDaKT: New Years Special '24The Two Dudes sit down to discuss what has been going on over the last few months and what is coming up for Season 2. HAPPY NEW YEAR!!2023-12-311h 04
Two Dudes and Killer TunesTDaKT: S1 EP19 The Old ManKal sits down with his Dad, Dave Kaliszewski for a quick episode. They talk about his service in the Vietnam War and the music around that time. We also revisit the time we saw Wilco at Soldier Field and CSNY at the Palace of Auburn Hills.2023-11-2834 min
Two Dudes and Killer TunesTDaKT: S1 EP18 The 2 HuntersThis Bonus Episode is One Dude, a cool Guest Host, and two guys named Hunter. They are from Alabama and hit the road to Detroit for the Metallica sows.2023-11-1430 min
Two Dudes and Killer TunesTDaKT: S1 EP17 Erik DohringThis Bonus Episode is One Dude, a cool Guest Host, and Eric Dohring, who happened to be in town from Alabama for Metallica weekend at Ford Field.2023-11-1431 min
Two Dudes and Killer TunesTDaKT: S1 EP16 The Two DudesIn Part 2 of the Season Finale, the Two Dudes discuss the recent concerts they have been to, the Smashing Pumpkins Tailgate Episode, their horrible luck this concert season, the high and low lights from Season 1, and a brief preview of Season 2.2023-10-0358 min
Two Dudes and Killer TunesTDaKT: S1 EP15 Andrew Winn of Agents of Good RootsThe Two Dudes welcome Andrew Winn of the Agents of Good Roots to the show. The Agents of Good Roots have been a favorite of the Two Dudes since their time at the University of Detroit Mercy and the album "One by One" was a staple on any road trip. Join the Two Dudes as they find out what Andrew and the rest of the band have been up to.2023-10-0344 min
Two Dudes and Killer TunesTDaKT: S1 EP14 Smashing Pumpkins TailgateThe Two Dudes hit the road to Pine Knob in Clarkston, MI for the Smashing Pumpkins show. While recording on site, they made some new fans and get a chance to catch up with some of the OGs of the show.2023-09-121h 12
Two Dudes and Killer TunesTDaKT: S1 EP13 The Two DudesThe Two Dudes record a special episode, find out the reason why. They talk about the upcoming Smashing Pumpkins show, some party preparations, and some cool TV Shows that have some great soundtracks behind them.2023-09-0528 min
Two Dudes and Killer TunesTDaKT: S1 EP12 Adam PichlerThe Two Dudes invite Adam Pichler to join them on this episode. They discuss the first concert they went to together, the infamous shootout against UWM, and the Impound from their UDM days. Find out what Kal and Adam missed out on to go see the Smashing Pumpkins at the Breslin Center at MSU.2023-08-291h 54
Two Dudes and Killer TunesTDaKT: S1 EP11 The Two DudesThe Two Dudes take a break from having guests for an episode and talk about various topics from Sinead O'Connor, upcoming Summer Shows, plans for the podcast moving forward, and a critical update on our T Shirts. They discuss the upcoming shows for @smashingpumpkins @TheLumineers @benharper2023-08-1558 min
Two Dudes and Killer TunesTDaKT: S1 EP10 Avery KaliszewskiThe Two Dudes have Avery Kaliszewski on to get a young persons take on live music and how things have evolved him over time. Hear about @TylerTheCreator @GretaVanFleet @smashingpumpkins @OfficialRustedRoot @fitzandthetantrums and @TheLumineers shows during this episode2023-08-0154 min
Two Dudes and Killer TunesTDaKT: S1 EP9 Christian ShalayIn this episode, the Two Dudes have Christian Shalay on the show. You will hear about Tool-gate from '94, the condemned Reno basement at UDM, how he got his weird name, and some other fun shows that we went to over the last 30 years.2023-07-181h 03
Two Dudes and Killer TunesTDaKT: S1 EP8 Lynsey Lane wsg Jeff LaneThe Two Dudes welcomed Neil's sister, Lynsey Lane to to show to discuss 25 years worth of shows, St. Andrews, Pine Knob, The Hip, it was a blast from the past, and she had the ticket stubs to prove it!! Towards the end the Dudes brought out Lynsey' husband, Jeff and they talk about some really cool shows they have been to recently.2023-07-041h 07
Two Dudes and Killer TunesTDaKT: S1 EP7 Jon SchackThe Two Dudes had Jon Schack on the show to discuss his love for the RHCP and Limp Bizkit. Was great catching up with him after all these years, and may have him on board for the Lumineers show this summer at Pine Knob2023-06-201h 18
Two Dudes and Killer TunesTDaKT:: S1 EP6 Kennedy KaliszewskiIn this Episode the Two Dudes sit down with Kennedy Kaliszewski and talk about her first concert when she was 5, how she did a complete 180 on the Beastie Boys, and some shows she is seeing this summer. It was great to get a little younger perspective on the live music scene, although she is more of an old soul when it comes to music.2023-06-061h 03
Two Dudes and Killer TunesTDaKT: S1 EP5 Black Note GraffitiThe Two Dudes are joined by Gabby, Kris, and Ricardo from Black Note Graffiti. During the episode they discuss how the band got their start, where the name came from, an awesome "White Rabbit" cover, and some really cool festivals they are a part of this summer.2023-05-3036 min
Two Dudes and Killer TunesTDaKT: S1 EP4 Ryan MaxeyRyan Maxey joins Kal and Neil, seeing each other for the first time in 30 years. They discuss seeing the Black Crowes when they were teenagers, Ben Harpers new song, and may even end up at a show together before this thing is over......2023-05-231h 19
Two Dudes and Killer TunesTDaKT: S1 EP3 Paul Kaliszewskiin Episode 3, the Two Dudes invite Paul Kaliszewski on to discuss some of the 100 plus shows that he has been to with the hosts. We hear about some of his favorite female vocalists, the infamous blue Aerostar minivan, and a couple interesting takes on a some rock star deaths over the years. Make sure to tune in at @TwoDudesandKillerTunes so you don't miss out!!2023-05-0951 min
Two Dudes and Killer TunesTDaKT: S1 EP2 Jon DohringEpisode 2 with Jon Dohring is now available. Check out the Two Dudes discussing some of his favorite live shows including a trip to Woodstock '99!!2023-04-251h 02
Two Dudes and Killer TunesTDaKT: S1 EP1 Meet the Two DudesGet to know the Two Dudes during Episode 1 before they have their first guests on the show.2023-04-1157 min