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Mind, Body, and SoilCare, Connection, and Death: A Journey Through Our Disintegrations with Cutter WoodEpisode 117: In this conversation, Kate sits down with Cutter Wood to discuss his new book Earthly Materials: Journeys Through Our Bodies’ Emissions, Excretions, and Disintegrations. It’s a poignant and touching exploration of the often-overlooked aspects of our physical being: our body's "effluvia." From the science of mucus to our last breath, from our tears to our flatulence, Cutter delves into the interconnectedness of bodily materials and how these substances reflect our shared vulnerability, humanity, and care for one another. These substances are sometimes hidden for reasons of sanitation, but also because they remind us of our fragility and mort...
2025-06-171h 30Mind, Body, and SoilInherited Narratives: An Intergenerational View of Farming from One Family with John SeabrookEpisode 116: In this conversation, Kate sits down with John Seabrook, author of The Spinach King: The Rise and Fall of an American Dynasty, to explore the intersection of farming, family history and intergenerational trauma, and the evolution of the agricultural industry. John shares insights from his family's farming legacy, discussing the transformation from traditional farming to mechanization and industrialization. The dialogue delves into labor, farming, class, legacy, industrialization, and more—a historical conversation that highlights the complexities and challenges faced by the agricultural sector today.Kate and John also explore the complexities of family dynamics, brand identity, an...
2025-06-021h 59Mind, Body, and SoilHumanity and Fire: A History of Relationships with Jordan ThomasEpisode 115: In this episode, Kate sits down with Jordan Thomas to talk about his new book When It All Burns: Fighting Fire in a Transformed World. It might not be the conversation you expect, opening by exploring fire’s centrality to what it is to be human and how relational and contextual fire is. Jordan guides us through the last ten thousand years of fire use by Indigenous communities. Jordan then does a dive into understanding the intertwining of fire and capitalism through the last 300 years, culminating in the last decade or so of megafires, fueled by climate change. Jo...
2025-05-271h 46Mind, Body, and SoilHow Sound Connects Us to Our Environments and to One Another with Chris BerdikEpisode 114: In this conversation, Kate Kavanaugh sits down with author Chris Berdik to discuss his new book 'Clamor: How Noise Took Over the World and How We Can Take It Back'. They dive into the often-overlooked significance of sound in both our personal lives and the natural world. Chris shares insights into the biology of hearing, the impacts of hearing loss, and the pervasive issue of noise pollution—both for humans and wildlife. At its heart, it’s about how sound connects us to the world at large and to one another. The discussion explores the evolutionary impor...
2025-05-201h 05Mind, Body, and SoilTrees in the Foreground: Climbing, Climate, and the Power of Perspective with Marguerite HollowayEpisode 113: In this episode, Kate sits down with author Marguerite Holloway to explore her new book ‘Take to the Trees: A Story of Hope, Science, and Self-Discovery in America’s Imperiled Forests’. Marguerite takes us on a deeply personal journey as she learns to climb trees at a women’s tree climbing workshop—an experience that shifts her perspective—quite literally—and opens her up to new ways of seeing the world. From Aspens to Magnolias, and Hemlocks to Beeches, she brings us into the hidden lives of trees, tracing their biology, history, and the complex relationships they share with our ecosy...
2025-05-131h 14Mind, Body, and SoilForever Chemicals: A History of Contamination and the Power of Community in the Fight against PFAS with Mariah BlakeEpisode 112: In this episode, Kate is joined by journalist Mariah Blake to discuss her new book, ‘They Poisoned the World: Life and Death in the Age of Forever Chemicals.’ Together, they trace the buried history of PFAS and forever chemicals—synthetic chemicals first developed in the 1930’s—that would go on to saturate everything from firefighting foam to clothes to town water supplies, with devastating consequences for public health.The conversation centers on the story of Hoosick Falls, New York, where a small community uncovered widespread PFAS contamination in their drinking water and began a fight for justice. K...
2025-05-061h 36Mind, Body, and SoilDistilling Transformation and Presence with Tabitha RoseEpisode 111: In this episode, Kate sits down with Tabitha Rose from Skin Fancy to go deep. At once, it’s an exploration of building a bioregional supply chain for a skincare company and looking to the plants and ingredients that are attuned to an ecosystem to create an incredible skincare line. It’s also an episode about Tabitha and she invites us into her wisdom with beautiful poignancy, sharing about how we’re shaped and respond to life’s surprises, motherhood, growing into our purpose, and embracing change. Tabitha also shares about the alchemical process of making hydrosols, working with dis...
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Hello StasisKate Kavanaugh on Body & SoilIn this episode, I interview Podcast Host, Farmer and Nutritionist Kate Kavanaugh. We discuss:
- health of land and bodies
- kinship and belonging
- why tending to the little things matters a great deal
- the wonder of freeze
- hope and grief
and so much more.
To follow Kate - www.instagram.com/kate_kavanaugh
To learn more about my work - www.megberryman.com
2025-04-2958 minMind, Body, and SoilOn Muscle: The Stuff that Moves Us and Why It Matters with Bonnie TsuiEpisode 110. In this conversation, Kate sits down with author Bonnie Tsui to talk about her new book On Muscle: The Stuff that Moves Us and Why It Matters. This episode explores themes of strength, resilience, and the interplay between the physical and the philosophical. Kate and Bonnie have a wide ranging discussion that spans the metaphor and biology of muscle, how death brings us into the present, and the joy found in movement and play. They touch on how strength is also about what moves us, not just physically, but socially, touching on the importance of collective movement and...
2025-04-221h 14Mind, Body, and SoilWe Can Pick Up and Carry Heavy Loads: Exploring Movement in Context with Kate KavanaughEpisode 109. In this episode, I (Kate Kavanaugh) reflect on my personal journey with movement from a practical and philosophical standpoint all while weaving it into some of the bigger themes that we’ve been exploring on the podcast around how we move resources to our bodies and how that itself changes our movement. I start out with some historical context of movement and resources, the impact of sedentarism on our bodies, and the concept of shifting baselines in understanding how our bodies work. I share my experience with chronic illness and how movement has been a source of strength an...
2025-04-171h 30Mind, Body, and SoilVision Without Execution is Hallucination with Matt SkoglundEpisode 107. In this conversation, Kate sits down with Matt Skoglund of North Bridger Bison to have a wide-ranging conversation about agriculture, community, the meaning of work, and what it means to teach about death. Together, they reflect on the complexities of efficiency in food systems, the yearning for simplicity in a complicated world, and the values that guide their lives and work. Matt discusses the importance of pragmatism in environmental work, the need for tangible solutions on the ground and in policy, and the impact of commodity agriculture on communities and how to be more involved. They also explore...
2025-04-011h 55Mind, Body, and SoilStorytelling, Paradox, and How to Bridge Divides (even with our Stone Age brains) with Kurt GrayEpisode 106: In this conversation, Kate Kavanaugh and Kurt Gray--whose book, ‘Outraged!: Why We Fight About Morality and Politics’ is out today--explore the themes of human nature, exploring the idea of humans as prey animals and how this evolutionary bent shapes our understanding of threats in modern society. It’s an episode about how we view harm and threat in a modern social media era, how much divisiveness this has fostered, and how we might have conversations that bridge those divides. In it, they discuss the importance of storytelling in bridging divides and fostering empathy, as well as the vulnerability parado...
2025-03-251h 03Mind, Body, and SoilCarbon: A Flow and Symphony of Life with Paul HawkenEpisode 105: In this conversation, Kate sits down with author and entrepreneur Paul Hawken to explore the multifaceted role of carbon in life and talk about his new book, ‘Carbon: the Book of Life’. It’s an episode challenging the conventional narrative that reduces carbon to an errant molecule within the atmosphere and connects it back to the molecule that flows through 99% of all substances on earth. Paul and Kate discuss the importance of recognizing the complexity and interconnectedness of life–encouraging a shift from reductionist thinking to a more holistic understanding of our relationship with the environment, advocating for transfor...
2025-03-181h 32Mind, Body, and SoilA Pitch for Building Community with Will BardenwerperEpisode 104. In this episode, Kate sits down with author Will Bardenwerper to talk about baseball. Now, before you think this doesn’t tie in to some of the major themes we’ve been exploring on the podcast—think again. Will’s new book ‘Homestand: Small Town Baseball and the Fight for the Soul of America’ is a love letter to small towns, communities, and coming together to build friendship and camaraderie across generations, political ideologies, and classes in “third places” like small town baseball stadiums. Will lays out what is happening to minor league baseball and the small towns that have housed...
2025-03-131h 06Mind, Body, and SoilAs Constant as a March Hare with Chloe DaltonEpisode 103. In this episode of the podcast, Kate sits down with author Chloe Dalton to discuss her memoir Raising Hare. Chloe is a political speechwriter and advisor who during the pandemic finds herself caring for a hare in the English countryside. In rich and textured detail, Chloe shares her transformative relationship with the hare. The episode touches on themes around domestication, freedom, intimacy, and wonder and what it might mean to be of place throughout the candid conversation. Chloe and Kate explore the intimate relationships between humans and the human animal. Chloe brings a stunning sense of wonder and...
2025-03-041h 16Mind, Body, and SoilThe Grieving Body with Dr. Mary-Frances O’ConnorEpisode 102. In this episode, Kate sits down with Mary-Frances O’Connor to talk about her new book The Grieving Body (a follow up to the Grieving Brain). This is an episode for anyone to deepen their understanding and literacy of grief—grievers, grief supporters, caregivers. In the episode, they talk about attachment and what it is to form an “us” and the some of the science behind love and bonding before diving into the deep emotional and physiological impacts of grief and understanding and normalizing the grieving process. At the heart of the episode is a discussion about the role of c...
2025-02-111h 18Mind, Body, and SoilNo More Re-Introductions, Only Humans in Process with Kate KavanaughEpisode 101: In this episode, I reflect on my journey over the past three years of podcasting, It’s about being a human in process. It’s about taking moments to let ourselves be fallow, to stop along the journey, lay out a blanket, and watch the clouds go by. I also discuss a concept I’ve been exploring for myself where “Ease = Effort + Flow” and how a little friction and push in life can give us the active ease we’ve been seeking. Ultimately, it’s about the interconnectedness of existence and what it might mean to embrace aliveness and fun. It’s...
2025-01-171h 02Mind, Body, and Soil100 Episodes, 13 Lessons, and a Lot of Gratitude100 episodes. Countless hours (over 220 hours). An immense amount of gratitude for you—dear listener. In this episode, I share 13 lessons from the last 100 episodes and my excitement for the next 100 episodes. Themes across the lessons include curiosity, adaptability, persistence, managing our dreams, enoughness, embracing our multifaceted nature, and how deeply shared this human experience is. It’s a vulnerable episode and while not prescriptive advice, I hope that openly sharing what this journey has taught me has some resonance with you in your journey. Thank you for listening. Looking forward to the next 100 episodes with you. Sponsored By:
2025-01-081h 11Mind, Body, and SoilLiving Into the Life You Want with Caroline NelsonCaroline Nelson is living into the life she wants. A lot has happened since we last talked to Caroline a year and a half ago, she opened Little Creek Feed, her meat business got bigger, so did Cowgirl Camp, and somewhere in the midst of all that she became a mother. This is an episode in equal parts the gravity of pausing to ask yourself where you are in your life and how you can live into the life you want and the levity of Caroline and I laughing our way through a conversation that includes a lot of...
2024-12-312h 18Mind, Body, and SoilEmbracing the Darkness as Fertile Ground: An Exploration of Grief and Community with Francis WellerAs Winter Solstice nears, this conversation is about the transformative power of darkness, about going into our grief, and building community to hold us. In this conversation, Francis Weller joins Kate to explore the profound importance of community and connection in human life. They discuss the pervasive sense of isolation and individualism in modern society, the various forms of grief that arise from that disconnection, and the need for a return to communal practice and love. Francis reminds us that we have forgotten and numbed ourselves – amnesia and anesthesia – but highlighting the healing potential found in nature, the darkness, and...
2024-12-191h 51Mind, Body, and SoilPower Metal: Recycling, Repair, and Re-Imagining Energy and Beyond with Vince BeiserIn this episode I sit down with Vince Beiser, whose book Power Metal: The Race for the Resources that Will Shape The Future is an incredible follow up to his book Sand: the World in a Grain. When we last caught up with Vince we plumbed the depths of sand and how, while largely unseen, it is one of the major resources our world is built on. In this conversation, Vince and I explore more unseen resources our world is increasingly dependent on: the critical metals that are powering our energy transition. We talk about how everything has a...
2024-11-201h 35Mind, Body, and SoilAn Ecology of Movement with Katy BowmanIn this episode, I sit down with Katy Bowman. First, a long on-ramp to the episode where I talk about where some of Katy’s work dovetails with explorations of how we move resources to our bodies (when we used to move our bodies to resources) that we’ve been exploring on the podcast. Katy and I then dive into the ecology of movement, movement diets, finding your movement why, and how you might consider stacking community into movement. Find Katy Bowman:My Perfect Movement Plan: The Move Your DNA All Day WorkbookMovem...
2024-09-091h 43Mind, Body, and SoilThe Wood Age: Humans and the Forests That Made Them Human with John PerlinIn this episode of the podcast I sit down with John Perlin, whose book A Forest Journey: The Role of Trees in the Fate of Civilization explores the history of, well, of us. As you’ll hear in this episode the history of humans is inextricably intertwined, or made possible, with the history of trees and of wood. Wood is our materia prima, the foundational material of both our ecology on earth and the civilizations we have built. We explore the cycles of humanity and their relationship with wood throughout the last million years, touching on the Stone Age (wh...
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The Wizard's Corner PodcastKate Kavanaugh, founder of Western Daughters and host of the Mind, Body, and Soil Podcast. ---------- Originally Aired on the Good Foods Podcast ----------Kate Kavanaugh is a farmer, butcher, nutrition therapist, and host of the Mind, Body, and Soil Podcast. She saw first hand the power of meat to heal her own body and in seeking out farmers and ranchers raising meat with holistic practices, she found the power of meat to heal land, too.Kate and I get to the 'grass roots', pun intended, in this very candid conversation about her work, her podcast and most importantly, how she views the world.In 2013, Kate opened Western Daughte...
2024-08-2251 minMind, Body, and SoilNAFTA is in All of Our Bodies: Corn, Policy, and Health with Alyshia GálvezIn this episode, I sit down with anthropologist Alyshia Gálvez to talk about her book Eating NAFTA. The conversation is from two people who came to economic policy through unlikely means, but as Alyshia explains, economic policy in general, and NAFTA in particular - on its 30 year anniversary, has become a part of all of our bodies whether we’re aware of it or not. Alyshia’s work is incredible at connecting dots that aren’t often seen in economics - its about people, landscapes, and cultures and how they are affected by policy that favors corporations. We explore...
2024-08-221h 40Mind, Body, and SoilEmbedded in Earth’s Story: Geology, Rocks, and Time with Marcia BjornerudIn this week’s episode, I sit down with geologist Marcia Bjornerud to talk about her new book Turning to Stone: Discovering the Subtle Wisdom of Rocks and to explore how we can gain a sense of feeling embedded in the time and space of Earth, as earthlings. We explore the mentorship rocks have to offer us and putting the story of Earth as a dynamic planet front and center. We talk about how learning about process, not just end product, through the lens of geology, can give us a sense of empathy and story that mirrors our own in...
2024-08-141h 37Mind, Body, and SoilSh*t, Shipping, and Blood: Upending Taboos and Exploring the Ignored with Rose GeorgeRose George is the author of four fantastic books (Nine Pints, Ninety Percent of Everything, the Big Necessity, and a Life Removed) that share a common theme: much of her work is about seeing the unseen. It’s about those things that are ubiquitous and unnoticed, or more likely, obfuscated from us. In this episode, we focus on human waste, the shipping industry, and blood. Much of our conversation is about how we begin to see the waters we swim in, stop sanitizing our language to further obscure things, and use our awareness to create changes large and small. It...
2024-08-091h 23Mind, Body, and SoilA Celebration of Hands, Creativity, and Business with Mariele IvyMariele Ivy is an artist. Known for her work in making jewelry and in lapidary, she is also a ceramicist, a maker of talismans and sacraments. In this episode, Kate sits down with Mariele Ivy from Young In the Mountains to talk about what it means to be an artist and to work with things of the earth. We talk about Mariele’s dedication to her supply chain - to fair trade gold, American mined inlay stones, American mined sapphires, and recycled diamonds and we talk about how she extends that care to every aspect of her business. This ep...
2024-07-262h 09Mind, Body, and SoilWeaving a New Vision for American Manufacturing and Rural Resilience with Steven KurutzSteven Kurutz grew up in a town of 1500 people in the mountains of Pennsylvania. It was a formative rural experience. He set pins at a local bowling alley. He frequented the town library. It’s where he learned to love books, writing, and the characters of small town America - including the towns themselves. He puts all of that to practice in his new book ‘American Flannel: How a Band of Entrepreneurs are Bringing the Art and Business of Making Clothes Back Home'. Steven and Kate sit down to talk about the tension between urban and rural environments. To talk...
2024-07-021h 18Mind, Body, and SoilComplexity, Cooperation, and Beauty - A New Story for Earth with Ferris JabrIn this episode, Kate sits down with author Ferris Jabr, whose book Becoming Earth: How Our Planet Came to Life comes out on June 25th. Ferris’ love of other animals and plants started at an early age and that fascination has grown into an incredible career as a journalist, exploring the perspective of ecosystems, animals, and the earth itself. Beginning with his garden in Portland, Kate and Ferris span out into the garden of earth itself and the way life creates the conditions for its own existence. From the young ages of the earth and the reciprocal processes between ba...
2024-06-251h 43Mind, Body, and Soilthe Cold Chain: How Refrigeration Changed... well... Everything with Nicola TwilleyIn this episode, Kate sits down with author and co-host of the Gastropod Podcast, Nicola Twilley, to talk about her new book Frostbite: How Refrigeration Changed Our Food, Our Planet, and Ourselves. Nicola has written an absolute page-turner exploring the massive and far-reaching impacts of refrigeration on just about every aspect of our lives, not since the dawn of agriculture has something changed our world so radically. In this episode, her and Kate explore the domestication of cold - which, very much unlike fire - is a recent phenomenon. The cold chain is new - not even 150 years old...
2024-06-191h 32Mind, Body, and SoilInescapable Reckoning: Fire, Consumption, and Writing with John VaillantIn this episode of the Ground Work podcast, Kate sits down with author John Vaillant to begin to tease out some of the themes of his 4 incredible books, 3 works of non-fiction, and one work of fiction. At the recording, John had just been awarded as a finalist for the Pulitzer Prize for Fire Weather: A True Story from a Hotter World. John and Kate talk about what it means to consume, how we as human animals interact with our environments and resources, and about how we reconcile the cognitive dissonance we experience born into the Petrocene age. It’s ab...
2024-06-101h 34Mind, Body, and SoilDust: Salvage, Water, and Hope for the Modern World with Jay OwensIn this episode, Kate sits down with author Jay Owens to talk about her book Dust: The Modern World in a Trillion Particles. Together, they unravel the paradoxes and challenges posed by dust - a small particle that makes a big impact throughout history. Discover how dust connects the Sahara to the Amazon, influences snowmelt, and carries historical significance, embodying both awe and horror. Dust underpins everything - it is, as Jay says, “a boundary crosser, a transgressor” and makes itself known in ice cores, the aftermath of the atomic bomb, in the drying up of bodies of water, and...
2024-05-221h 45Mind, Body, and SoilThe Tapestry of American Manufacturing with Rachel SladeIn this episode, Kate sits down with author and journalist Rachel Slade to discuss her books Making It In America: The Almost Impossible Quest to Manufacture in the USA (and How It Got That Way) and Into the Raging Sea: Thirty-Three Mariners, One Megastore, and the Sinking of El Faro. Rachel’s books are incredible explorations of humanity and she deftly weaves together complex threads. We focus on Making It In America in the episode. The book is so much about where trade, manufacturing, farming, immigration, the textile industry, unions, and the history of the hoodie itself meet. We st...
2024-05-172h 28Mind, Body, and SoilWe are Just Bodies Bodying: Exploring Skin, Touch, and Love with May LindstromIn this week’s episode Kate sits down with the lovely, the ineffable, the effervescent May Lindstrom. Together they explore themes of grace, slowness, and the intricate dance between our inner and outer worlds. May shares many of her incredible stories and laces throughout them a call to live a life full of compassion and love and a cherishing of the everyday. She invites us to think about how we connect to ourselves and to nature, about what it might mean to grow old while integrating the perspectives of ourselves when we were younger, and to follow a north st...
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weMove PodcastOur Nervous System is rooted in the Earth - Episode 127 - Kate KavanaughHey there are welcome to the wemove podcast.This week we continue Chris’s conversations into the Nervous System. In conversations one and two of this series, the focus has been with experts in nervous system regulation in Irene Lyons and Dominik Koch. Both of whom Chris has worked with and learned from in his own explorations and practices in NS regulation, and understanding the way in which his body has processed injuries and events throughout his life.Whilst speaking to the experts is great, it only gets us part of the way there. Hearing other ex...
2024-05-051h 46Mind, Body, and Soilthe Future is Not Inevitable: Re-Imagining Infrastructure with Deb ChachraIn this episode, materials scientist and engineering professor Deb Chachra shares about infrastructure. Her book ‘How Infrastructure Works: Inside the Systems that Shape Our World’ is a multi-layered dive into infrastructure. In this episode, Deb and Kate explore ideas of how we move resources to bodies and waste away from bodies. It is a brief exploration of the rise of globalization and our telecommunications, physical infrastructure, and roads, but it is also an exploration of how access to energy is also access to agency. In it, the concept of ‘away’ is explored - whether it’s the away that we send ou...
2024-04-161h 26Mind, Body, and SoilSeeing the Unseen: How Sand Builds Our World with Vince BeiserSand. It’s everywhere and it’s foundational to the built and digital worlds, yet we rarely see or think about it. Vince Beiser’s the World in a Grain tells the story of sand as it makes its way into the materials that make up our world: concrete, glass, silicon chips, and beyond. In this episode of the podcast, we explore some of the broader implications of sand - what it means to build worlds, how to grapple with the largesse of sand’s impact as we run out of this critical resource, and what, if anything, we can chan...
2024-04-101h 31Mind, Body, and SoilOur Relationship to Our Resources: A Solo Episode with Kate KavanaughOur relationship to resources shapes the world. Our food, our clothing, our devices, our building materials and the infrastructure that underpins moving them from place to place. On this podcast, we've explored a lot around food as a resource - its impact on land and human health and some of the inputs and externalities of our food system. Now, I'd like to take a turn to explore some other resources and the ubiquitous, yet unseen, infrastructure that moves them to us and our waste products away from us. Coming episodes will be filled with this exploration and so I...
2024-04-041h 08Mind, Body, and SoilHow to Be Animal with Melanie ChallengerIn this episode of the podcast, Kate sits down with author and poet Melanie Challenger to discuss her two books How to Be Animal and On Extinction. Melanie also hosted the beautiful podcast ‘Psychosphere’ exploring the minds of animals outside of the human animal. This episode explores our disconnection with nature and how it begins in childhood and how it might separate us from the truth that we, as humans, are also animals. It explores what it might mean to come home to the realization that we are animals. Death, mortality, and grief and their roles in our animal bodi...
2024-03-271h 20Mind, Body, and SoilBuilding an Agriculture We Can Live In with Cole MannixIn this episode, I (Kate Kavanaugh) sit down with Cole Mannix of Old Salt Co-Op to talk about vertically integrating the agriculture of the middle with systems that are built to serve ranchers and consumers alike. Cole talks about his innovative business (and funding) structure, the upcoming Old Salt Festival in Helmville, Montana in June (I went last year and spoiler alert: it’s amazing) and the business they’re building to serve a regional food system. At least, those were all the topics that brought us to the table to talk. But what came out was something a bit...
2024-03-181h 42Mind, Body, and SoilThe Gravity of Risk and the Potential of Opportunities: Regenerative Agriculture Businesses with Robby SansomRobby Sansom is one of the founders of Force of Nature Meats and has a mind for marrying the qualitative with the quantitative. In this episode, Robby and Kate explore what it means to build sustainable business models, try to make really massive numbers a little bit more tangible, and speak candidly about the meat industry. It’s an episode that explores candidly everything about the tight-margined meat business, competition between smaller and larger shareholders within the industry, and what it might mean to have a triple bottom line of people, profit, and planet. Find Robby:...
2024-03-142h 06Mind, Body, and SoilYour Fertility is Your Health: Real Food for Fertility with Lily Nichols, RDNLily Nichols returns to the podcast to discuss what it means to optimize for fertility - and for vitality. This episode is for everyone: men, women, people trying to conceive and not! Lily’s new book “Real Food for Fertility,” centers on how whole foods can enhance fertility. The book is backed by extensive research with over 2,500 citations and comes recommended for those looking to improve their health. In the episode, Kate and Lily draw attention to the similarities between soil, animal, and human health, as well as the negative effects of modern living that underscore the critical role of pre...
2024-02-121h 36Mind, Body, and SoilCircular Economies and Linear Infrastructure: the Complex Interplay of Roads, Beavers, and Ecosystems with Ben GoldfarbIn this episode, Kate sits down with author Ben Goldfarb to discuss the profound effects of beavers and humans on ecosystems, particularly through the construction of roads and habitats. Ben Goldfarb is the author of Crossings: How Road Ecology is Shaping the Future of Our Planet and Eager: The Surprising, Secret Life of Beavers and Why They Matter. In this episode we explore a world filled with paradox, interconnectedness, and circularity. It’s a dialogue about the differences, and similarities, in how beavers and humans approach world building that uncovers thoughts on our built vs natural worlds and the im...
2024-02-071h 39Mind, Body, and SoilBecoming a Bridge: Exploring Process, Transformation, and Story through Fermentation with Dr. Julia SkinnerIn this episode, Kate sits down with Dr. Julia Skinner to discuss all manner of things, as it tends to be when two generalists sit down together. Julia’s work is multi-disciplinary, weaving together threads of her interests into a celebration of creative practice, fermentation, food history, the history of libraries, and beyond. The conversation explores the cultivation of both process and practice for creatives and how it can be made tactile in the art of fermentation. Julia, a writing and creative coach, shares what it takes to make a container for transformation of self, or cabbage, or community, or...
2024-01-161h 56Mind, Body, and SoilDream: The Art and Science of Slumber with Scott CarneyScott Carney makes his second appearance on the podcast to talk about his new book Dream: the Art and Science of Slumber. It's a deliciously short book that reframes sleep. It's a little bit science and a little bit art and it manages to quote Jurassic Park once, so it's a big win. In this episode, Scott and I chase some rabbits around ideas related to sleep. Have we couched sleep in the language of economic productivity and forgotten what it is to dream? Does our sleep distill our life into emotions and do those exist to form the...
2024-01-091h 37Mind, Body, and SoilThe In Betweens, Goals as Process, and Type 2 Fun with Kate KavanaughIn this solo episode, Kate dives into those spaces that are neither here nor there, the "in betweens", exploring the idea that when we set goals now (point a) for a place in the future (point b), the real gift is the process that unfolds in between. With that in mind, Kate explores the tension between not wanting to fall into the hustle and productivity-driven culture of goal setting but also enjoying, frankly, the process of evaluation and setting goals. This is also an exploration of Type 2 fun, that space between not enjoying something in the moment and enjoying...
2024-01-0259 minMind, Body, and SoilWhat Are the Stories We Tell, the Stories We Don’t Tell, and Why? The Cost of Free Land with Rebecca ClarrenIn this episode Kate is joined by author Rebecca Clarren to explore her book Cost of Free Land; Jews, Lakota, and an American Inheritance. The Cost of Free Land explores an entwined history; one of Rebecca’s Jewish ancestors and their land in South Dakota and the Lakota that had been forced off that land by the US government. In the podcast, Rebecca explores the profound role of storytelling and history in shaping cultural narratives across different communities within the broader tapestry of history in America - touching on both the stories passed down through her family and the st...
2023-12-051h 18Mind, Body, and Soilthe Phosphorus Paradox: Fertilizing Our Future or Fueling Our Folly? With Dan EganIn this episode, Kate is joined by Dan Egan, author of the Devil’s Element: Phosphorous and a World Out of Balance. Why phosphorus? Phosphorus is vital for life on Earth and plays a pivotal role in fertilizers that sustain agriculture. However, it’s also a finite resource where its overuse in fertilizers has led to significant environmental concerns such as toxic algae blooms. The history of phosphorus, from its isolation as an element, to its sordid history and its various applications, including warfare, is explored. Somehow, phosphorous is at the heart of our food system, the conception of the so...
2023-11-281h 22Mind, Body, and SoilWe Are the Drivers of Our Species' Tomorrows with Cat BohannonThis week, Kate sits down with author Cat Bohannan to talk about her book Eve: How the Female Body Drove 200 Million Years of Human Evolution. This conversation takes you on a captivating journey through the intricacies of human evolution viewed through the stories our bodies have to tell - and the female body in particular. In this podcast, they explore elements of the book as well as exploring what it means to look at the narrative arc of female bodies through deep time. We look at how our evolution is a product of environment, culture, behaviors, context, and bodies...
2023-11-211h 31Mind, Body, and SoilOne Foot in Front of the Other: Walking Through Hard Times with Kate KavanaughHey. It’s Kate. I’ve been absent and I want to talk some about why and what it means to be in a challenging season of life. So often we hear from people once they reach the other side of challenge - but we rarely hear from them when they’re in the thick of it. Well, I’m in the thick of it, and so this vulnerable episode is three parts: where I’ve been and what’s going on, how I’ve been literally and figuratively putting one foot in front of the other, and where the podcast is...
2023-10-241h 08Mind, Body, and SoilBecoming Apprenticed to Your Body with Irene Lyon (Part 3)Irene joins the Mind, Body, and Soil podcast for her third visit to discuss what it means to become apprenticed to your body. Better yet, a little tardiness on Kate’s part at the beginning of the episode allows Kate and Irene to explore in real time the difference between a regulated and dysregulated nervous system. In it, the idea of “window of tolerance” is teased apart. All in all this is a short and sweet episode about connecting in with your body. RESOURCESSmartBody SmartMind Program21 Day Nervous System Tune-UpPrevious Podcasts with Irene: Part 1, Part 2Kate’s...
2023-09-1359 min
The Mark Groves Podcast#306: Regenerative Agriculture, Death and Rebirth with Kate KavanaughThemes: Food, Farming, Community, Nature, Agriculture, Healing, Regenerative Farming, Death, Belonging, Health, Purpose, Grief, Sustainability
Summary:
Today I welcome Kate Kavanaugh to the show! She started her journey in regenerative agriculture 15 years ago looking at how meat could be a byproduct of conservation. Now, Kate is the host of the Mind, Body, and Soil podcast where she is devoted to digging in deep with guests, finding the threads of what it means to be humans woven into this earth. In her spare time, Kate raises goats, pigs, cows, and poultry on a small farm in upstate New York.
In this ep...
2023-08-2857 minMind, Body, and SoilThe State of Regional Food Systems: An Update from Kate + Old Salt PanelIn this episode, Kate gives us an update about regional food systems through the lens of her butcher shop, Western Daughters, and the decision of whether or not to close. What does it mean to support regenerative food systems as a food business - and where does financial sustainability come into the conversation? Kate leads us through the struggles each shareholder in the supply chain, including the consumer, is facing as she sees it. This leads in to an excellent panel that she was on in Helmville, Montana at the Old Salt Festival. Hosted by Mountain and Prairie podcast...
2023-08-111h 23
Rooted in ResilienceTight Margins of Farming, Butchering & What this Means for the Consumer with Kate KavanaughWe were blessed to sit down and talk with Kate Kavanaugh today, the founder of Western Daughters Butcher Shop in Colorado, the host of Mind, Body and Soil Podcast, and an overall badass farmer/butcher/woman - you’re going to want to hear her story!
The bulk of the conversation is centered around the idea that farming, butchering, and every step of the process of “farm to table” is not without hardships. Kate shares her own struggles keeping Western Daughters afloat, and brings up important considerations regarding the food and farming systems in Americ...
2023-06-221h 43Mind, Body, and SoilA Process of Reclamation - Part 2 with Tara CoutureIn this episode, I bring back Tara Couture for a second round of talking about the intricacies and complexities of health and what it means to reimagine and reclaim that at a personal, familial, and community level. In this episode, Tara and I deep dive into some of our personal health journeys and exploring the knowledge of not taking a one size fits all approach - that there are many factors that found you sick in the first place and many bioindividual considerations that will support the journey back towards health. It’s about curiosity, relationships, and growing change.
2023-06-202h 14Mind, Body, and SoilExploring the Mystery + Embracing the Unknown with Fred ProvenzaOver the course of a couple of months, Fred and I spent a lot of time writing back and forth about mystery and uncertainty with the intention of bringing that conversation to the podcast. Fred Provenza is well known for his research contributions to the field of livestock nutrition and behavior, but this conversation goes beyond that and into the great unknown. Fred is, at his heart, teacher and student both, sharing his curiosity as ‘a cosmic voyager’ here on earth. Through that lens, we explore cultivating a childlike sense of wonder at the interconnectedness of life and all the...
2023-06-132h 23
Ranching Reboot#119 Kate Kavanaugh "Groundwork Collective: The Story Behind the Farm"In this episode of Ranching Reboot, Brian Alexander and Kate Kavanaugh delve into the intricacies of small business ownership, the importance of being connected to a place, and how government regulations impact us all. They explore the necessity for adaptability and a deeper understanding of our food systems.
Kate discusses her journey from vegetarianism to owning a butcher shop and starting the Groundwork Collective, all while managing a small farm. She shares her unique perspective on farming, ranching, and the future of food systems.
Brian and Kate analyze the reductionism of the food system, the...
2023-06-121h 36
Phoenix Rising: Descending into the Threads & Rising from the Roots.EP:096 Connecting Back to Our Natural Food System with Kate KavanaughFrom Vegetarian to Butcher. Connecting Back to Our Natural Food System.
In this episode, I’m joined by Kate Kavanaugh as we talk about her journey from vegetarian to butcher and the call for simplicity, slowing down, living off the land, and eating meats and whole foods, just as we were created to do as humans.
Experiencing where our food comes from to better understand our food system. Our disconnect to food and the deep origins of it. The shift in our relationship with food into a hierarchy and a system of control.Using our disc...
2023-06-021h 31
House of Nourishment4. Experiencing Healing From Chronic Illness In Saying "Yes" to Our Dreams With Kate KavanaughToday's conversation is with my dear friend Kate Kavanaugh! Kate's story of navigating chronic illness, childhood psychiatric diagnoses, becoming a butcher & rising to the occasion of her dreams is an inspiring one to say the least. We cover a whole lot of ground in this conversation, explore the nuances of it all & have tons of fun letting our curiosities run wild together!
We talk about:
- perfectionism & how we don't need to have out all figured out before we take action on our dreams
- what a "self" even is...
2023-05-231h 54
Olive You WholeOur Connection to Animals and the Land with Kate Kavanaugh of Ground WorkThe average margin for farmers and ranchers in the country is only one and a half percent, making it challenging to create a sustainable system. However, connecting with our food and having an understanding of the whole lifecycle of an animal can help us achieve food stability. In a conversation with Kate Kavanaugh, the owner of Ground Work Collective, we learn about her passion for animals and the land, which led her to open Western Daughters Butcher Shoppe in 2013. Three years ago, she and her husband bought a farm in upstate New York where they practice regenerative...
2023-05-1838 minMind, Body, and SoilEverything Happens in Relationship with Kate KavanaughOn today's special episode, host Kate Kavanaugh shares a talk she gave in Fredericksburg, Texas for the What Good Shall I Do Conference. It is an exploration of the myriad of ways that we are deeply interconnected - pulling threads from soil science, ecology, botany, cellular biology, mysticism and spirituality, and philosophy. At the end, is a message of hope and healing. Kate introduces the episode with an exploration of what it means to be a 'participator' rather than just an 'observer' and recounts some tales from her time in Texas with the armadillos, ants, and the...
2023-05-161h 00
Where Hope GrowsEverything Happens in Relationship with Kate KavanaughOn this week's episode of Where Hope Grows, we are treated to the divine journey of a little bluestem seed. As this seed travels through deep time and space, it quickly learns that nothing in nature happens in isolation. Explore the transformation of matter as our seed changes form, habitat, and purpose. Anchored by a world full of relationships, this tale serves as deeper wisdom which embraces the interconnectedness of life. Beautifully narrated by Kate Kavanaugh and recorded live from the mainstage of our 2023 What Good Shall I Do conference, this talk will leave you showered in the hope...
2023-05-1151 minMind, Body, and SoilCook Your Way to an Economy of Peace with Cate Havstad-CasadCate Havstad-Casad is redefining what it means to be a holistic entrepreneur. Using her lens of holism and looking at how to scale businesses while still keeping in mind natural limits of growth, she has built Havstad Hat Co and Range Revolutions and Casad Family Farms in conjunction with her husband, Chris. She is as passionate about soil as she is about her community and as passionate about her community as she is about changing the world. In this episode we talk about her incredible closed loop farm, the revolution she is building in the fashion world with Range...
2023-04-182h 26Mind, Body, and SoilThe Skill of Staying Human with Daniel VitalisAs the digital world looms, this discussion is an exploration of built and natural worlds and how they impact us as a species. Daniel Vitalis, host of WildFed on the Outdoor Channel and formerly host of the podcasts Rewild Yourself and Wild Fed, joins Kate in a conversation that finds humanity at different points in time and with different viewpoints of time itself. It’s an exploration of the environments that shaped our species, from our hunter-gatherer roots, to agriculture, and into our dreams of launching ourselves into space. At this precipice that we find ourselves on, it’s more...
2023-04-122h 05Mind, Body, and SoilLeaving Our Children Shade with Katie ForrestKatie Forrest, together with her husband Taylor Collins, is the founder of Epic Bar and one of the minds behind Force of Nature Meats and Roam Ranch in Fredericksburg, Texas. Katie herself is a force of nature as a business owner, mother, wife, rancher, and human. Together, we explore the perennial nature of hope and how we can think about modeling businesses after lessons we learn in nature. Spread throughout are messages from the land and from our children about learning to slow down and to listen and an exploration of hope. Towards the end, we cover the importance...
2023-04-041h 56
The Wildly Capable ShowYou cannot grow without stress—standing against culture's obsession with convenience and cheap dopamine hits with Kate KavanaughIn this episode, we sat down with Kate Kavanaugh to discuss all things butchery, food philosophy, regenerative agriculture, and the human existence. This was a totally unique conversation, unlike anything we've covered on the show before. Tune in to hear how we weave the various topics of human effort, quick dopamine, convenience culture, vegetarianism, sourcing local meat, satiety, and more. This is a conversation you do not want to miss. Today's featured brand:Xtrema Cookware—use the code: HOMEGROWN for 15% off your orderFind Kate:Instagram // @kate_kavanaugh, @westerndaughters
2023-03-291h 44Mind, Body, and SoilIncreasing Connection + Sensation with Adrian GrenierSo many of us have had the experience of nature, of farming, bringing us back to ourselves. Adrian Grenier’s story isn’t much different - several years ago he found himself disconnected and in a state of constantly numbing. Coming back to the idea of ‘chop wood, carry water’ he came home to a place after changing just about everything. Adrian and I talk about the nature of disconnection and the connection we can find in nature. We start with the idea that everything has to die - even versions of ourselves - in order to nourish our future...
2023-03-281h 19Mind, Body, and SoilBringing Death Home with Heidi BoucherHeidi Boucher is a home funeral guide and writer and director of the documentary ‘In the Parlor’ where she follows the intimate journey of three families as they navigate caring for their dead at home. Heidi’s work with death is tender and truly beautiful. In this episode we unpack how funerals moved from the parlors of our homes to funeral parlors in just 150 years including the rise of the funeral industrial complex. We explore the very human emotion of conflating our fear of grief, loss, and ‘abandonment’ with the fear of death and the dead. This is as much an ex...
2023-03-212h 05
Nourished With Anna41. Connecting and Healing with Real Food with Kate KavanaughSitting down with the lovely Kate Kavanaugh - an entrepreneur, farmer, butcher, nutrition therapist, and host of the Mind, Body, and Soil Podcast.Kate saw first hand the power of meat to heal her own body and in seeking out farmers and ranchers raising meat, she found the power of meat to heal land, too. As a Podcast host Kate is devoted to digging in deep with guests to find the heart of connection and what it means to lay the ground work for generations to come. In this juicy episode we dive i...
2023-03-2152 minMind, Body, and SoilHow the Stimulus of Death Shapes Our Responses to Life with Scott CarneyScott Carney’s book ‘the Wedge’ changed my life a little bit, and it has led me down a rabbit hole into his work over the years. From the Enlightenment Trap, to What Doesn’t Kill Us, and into some of his interviews around consciousness. In this episode, we dive deep into death and how our biological programming to fear it can be both a hindrance and a reason to challenge ourselves. We talk about how the wellness industry wants to sell you living forever, and that might not be such a new idea. Ultimately, this is a conversation around o...
2023-03-141h 36Mind, Body, and SoilChoosing The Stories We Tell Ourselves with Caroline NelsonQuick Note: A technical glitch in new recording software meant that my audio was recorded not on my microphone. My deepest apologies for the decline in audio quality! It’s still great, just a little tinny, won't happen again!Caroline is a rancher, cow girl, an entrepreneur, and a newly minted podcast host of Chews Wisely. In this marathon episode, we cover a lot of ground, but central to the conversation is an exploration of the stories we’re telling ourselves as individuals, as farmers and ranchers, and as a society and what it would mean to chan...
2023-03-073h 05
The Rural Woman PodcastConnecting to Our Food with Kate KavanaughOn this week's episode of The Rural Woman Podcast™, you'll meet Kate Kavanaugh.Kate Kavanaugh is an entrepreneur, farmer, butcher, nutrition therapist, and host of the Mind, Body, and Soil Podcast. She saw firsthand the power of meat to heal her own body, and in seeking out farmers and ranchers raising meat, she found the power of meat to heal land, too. In 2013, she opened Western Daughters Butcher Shop in Denver, Colorado, with her now-husband, Josh Curtiss, where they source grass-fed and pasture-raised whole animals from local regenerative farmers and ranchers. Kate is now the ho...
2023-03-0348 minMind, Body, and SoilTechnology, Processed Food, and Thumbs Make Us Human (But not in the ways you might think)....Dr. Bill Schindler is an experimental archaeologist, anthropologist, restauranteur, hunter, butcher, father, husband…. And Renaissance man when it comes to early man. Author of ‘Eat Like a Human’, Bill and I dive right into a conversation about the origins of homo sapiens and how technology and morphology shaped our modern form. We talk about hunting and the consumption of meat vs animal and how butchery evolves alongside humans. Bill owns a restaurant, Modern Stoneage Kitchen, and we take a sidebar conversation to explore entrepreneurship, food safety, and more in relation to getting healthy food to people. This naturally dovetails into a...
2023-02-211h 43Mind, Body, and SoilStart a Farm: Can Raw Cream Save the World? with Blair PrenoveauBlair is a farmer, a mother, a homeschooler, a milkmaid, a renegade. On this episode, I sit down with Blair Prenoveau who you might know as @startafarm on Instagram. In this episode, she unpacks why you might start a farm including the deep purpose, nutrition, and connection it offers. She doesn’t, however, shy away from the hardships and together we deep dive into the financial hardship that is owning a very small farm. We also talk about intimacy with your food and connecting to death. She shares about her journey raising 4 homeschooled kids largely solo and what it ha...
2023-02-131h 50Mind, Body, and SoilThe Discipline/Pleasure Axis and Coming Home to Farming with Alex Rosenberg-RiguttoAlex Rosenberg-Rigutto could not be defined by a single metric, maybe other than to say that her joy and zest for life are definitively contagious. In this incredible episode, Alex details the arc of her life and her journey to farming, stopping along the way to explore important aspects of what makes us human from our interaction with our environments to the importance of every day ritual. Kate and Alex explore the impacts of being medicated as children and how formative experiences shaped their idea of discipline, laying the ground work for a big conversation about the ‘Discipline/Pleasure’ axis...
2023-01-302h 18Mind, Body, and SoilFrom Ground Work to Mind, Body, and SoilIn this short solocast, Kate catches us up after her impromptu break before we start the new year with a huge slate of exciting episodes. But first... a little business to attend to. The Ground Work Podcast is becoming the Mind, Body, and Soil podcast. Same Kate, same amazing guests, new title!Kate also shares some big business news, a little about her thoughts on New Year's, and a little thank you to all of you.
2023-01-1633 minMind, Body, and SoilTurning the Hard Work of Farmers Into Food with Anna BorgmanAnna Borgman is a butcher, slaughterwoman, ardent reader, and curious student of life. In this episode we dive deep into one of the most unexplored aspects of our food system: the processor, the butcher, the slaughterhouse. The place where animals make their transition to food through the portal of death. We dive into what this means: what it means for the people working there, how our current culture misses this step in the food chain, and what it means to “turn the hard work of farmers into food.” Anna and I also talk about our own relationships with death and...
2022-11-292h 13Mind, Body, and SoilFinding Nourishment in Liver, Ancestral Lifeways, and Goats with Dr. Suuzi HazenDr. Suuzi Hazen is a wife, mother, farmer and healer who raises goats in the rugged fire country of north-eastern California. She is the founder of Mother's Best Liver Pills, the original microbrewery of grass-fed beef liver supplements. Suuzi is a Doctor of Traditional Chinese Medicine and in this episode we dive right into the liver, looking at it not just through the lens of Traditional Chinese Medicine, but through an ancestral and spiritual lens. Suuzi goes on to unpack traditional lifeways and how we can find a connection in our modern world when it comes to child rearing...
2022-11-221h 47
The Natural State with Dr. Anthony Gustin160: Kate Kavanaugh - Overcoming Fears Surrounding Death, The Sixth Mass Extinction, Becoming a Butcher and Farmer, and MoreFarmer, butcher, and butcher shop owner, Kate Kavanaugh discusses how the move from city life to farm life has been, the importance of regenerative agriculture for the planet and population, and the sixth mass extinction. She also shares her fears surrounding death and how she overcame them and her personal journey from being a vegetarian to becoming a butcher and farmer. Lastly, Kate gives listeners an update on how her farm is doing, the lessons she’s learned along the way, and what she would tell people who would like to star...
2022-11-181h 23Mind, Body, and SoilHow to Never Run Out of Things to Talk About with Kate and JoshInitially, my husband, Josh Curtiss, and I conceived of this episode as a way to share about the importance of play and imagination in our relationship and as a 2-year wedding anniversary present to ourselves (and 14 years together). But after I put a question sticker on Instagram for relationship questions and received a massive response - it became a place for us to dive into not just play, imagination, and fun but also the highs and lows of our relationship. So often, we are not afforded peeks inside of a real relationship, but on this episode we are real...
2022-11-111h 58
What If There Is A Better Way?Reaching for Connection | Kate Kavanaugh EP. 4#Send us a textKate Kavanaugh studied biology and anthropology in college. Early on, she found a deep sense of purpose in the regenerative agriculture movement. In 2013, she opened Western Daughters Butcher Shop in Denver, Colorado with her partner and now-husband, Josh Curtiss. They were devoted to saving the prairie one steak at a time through their mission of meat that was good for the land, good for our bodies, and good for the community. Almost ten years later, they’ve put over 5 million dollars back into the hands of ranchers along the Front Range. In 2019, they kn...
2022-10-201h 03
Mind, Body, and SoilFarming in Collaboration with the Earth + Cosmos with China Tresemer of Hiyu Wine FarmChina Tresemer is at once writer, artist, winemaker, farmer, and something else altogether. Her new website, Still Life with Field Notes, is dedicated to weaving together the threads of her work in collaboration with the earth - from her art, writing, recipes, and beyond. At home in the space where the Hood River meets the Columbia River, between rainforest and desert, China grows plants, animals, and grapes at Hiyu Wine Farm. She opens by talking about how farming is her medium, and in the conversation the theme of medium, in between, and liminal recurs. In this episode, we explore...
2022-10-042h 00
Death in The Garden#41 Kate Kavanaugh - Sex, Birth, Death, and Other Desired NutrientsOn this episode of “Death in The Garden,” we spoke with farmer, butcher, and brilliant fellow podcaster, Kate Kavanaugh. Kate is the founder of Western Daughters Butcher Shoppe, located in Denver, CO, creator of the amazing podcast called “Ground Work” which discusses and circumambulates three interconnected themes: mind, body, and soil, as well as a farmer based in New York. The way Kate sees the world is illuminating and refreshing, and we had an instant connection after our first conversation. This episode is one of many we hope to share with Kate.This episode travels into pretty c...
2022-09-021h 58Mind, Body, and SoilBuilding Strength from the Inside Out with Ashleigh VanHoutenAshleigh VanHouten is at the center of exploring muscles - both building them in the gym and cooking them in the kitchen. Author of cookbooks Carnivore-ish and It Takes Guts and pioneer of women’s strength training programs her work makes cooking and exercise feel easy and accessible. During this conversation, Ashleigh and Kate explore the world of incorporating organ meats into your diet from a place of no shame - whether you’re highlighting them or hiding them, these nutrient dense superfoods deserve a place on your plate. Ashleigh talks about being a woman in male...
2022-08-021h 11Mind, Body, and SoilMeat + Health, An Interview of Kate from the This Plus That PodcastBrandi Stanley, who is an incredible interviewer and explorer of paradox, was generous enough to share this interview of Kate from her podcast, This Plus That. In this interview, Kate explores the paradox of life and death, the desire for things to taste better and what that means ecologically. She expounds on the difference between conventional and ‘regenerative’ agriculture and the history of reciprocity between animals and plants. She also talks about how life thrives at edge zones, the place where forest meets field and stream meets field and how much richness and biodiversity we can find there. No podc...
2022-07-302h 16