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Young Dad Podcast253: The Hidden Impact of Divorce on Adults- Kent D.Welcome into the Young Dad Pod—whether you're juggling joint custody, unpacking childhood baggage, or just trying to build a better foundation than what you were handed—thanks for being here and tuning in.Today’s guest is Kent Darcie, a licensed counselor and the founder of Adults with Divorced Parents Ministries. Kent has spent two decades helping adults who grew up in divorced homes understand how those early experiences affect their adult lives—especially in relationships, parenting, and self-worth. His book, Choose a Better Path, and his work at Hope4ADP.com offer tools for healing that don...
2025-11-101h 03
Just Ask Your MomAdult Children of Divorced Parents, with Kent Darcie"If you have divorced parents, you're probably not doing fine." Our guest, Kent Darcie, founder of Adults With Divorced Parents Ministries in Michigan, sheds light on issues most ADPs commonly face. We also get into "gray divorce," projected to triple from 1990 to 2030, and the unique challenges faced by adults experiencing their parents divorce after they leave the nest. Some of the resources mentioned in this episode:http://hope4adp.comChoose a Better Path by Kent DarcieLeila Miller Primal LossThe Unexpected Legacy of DivorceBetween T...
2025-09-1546 min
Intentional Divorce InsightsHow to Talk to Adult Children About Divorce (Even When They're Grown and It Still Hurts)This enlightening episode dives deep into the often-overlooked legacy of parental divorce, especially as its effects linger and evolve into adulthood. Host Leah Hadley welcomes Kent Darcie, an expert on supporting adults with divorced parents, to unpack the complex emotional terrain adult children face—whether the divorce happened in childhood or as a "gray divorce" later in life. Kent shares insights from both personal and professional perspectives, examining issues like anger, fear, trust, and the unique challenges presented by parents’ late-life separations. He also introduces strategies for breaking the cycle of divorce and explores key themes from his book and...
2025-09-0923 min
Help for Adults with Divorced ParentsADP 049 Help My Parents are Divorcing!Kent addresses the do's and don'ts of responding to the news that your parents are divorcing.
2025-08-2015 min
ABCs of Parenting Adult ChildrenHealing Wounds, Building Bridges with Kent DarcieSend us a text Kent’s work often touches on reconciliation and emotional healing, so if you're highlighting a specific story or theme—like grief, forgiveness, or family restoration—I can tighten the focus even more. Want to be a guest on ABCs of Parenting Adult Children? Send James Moffitt a message on PodMatch, here: https://www.podmatch.com/hostdetailpreview/parentingadultchildren Listen here for our sponsors list. Many thanks to them for helping to underwrite the costs of producing this podcast. Support the showSocial Media Links https://w...
2025-08-0850 min
Conversations With Iris PodcastEp. 58- Kent Darcie LPC, Founder, Adult Children of Divorce MinistriesSend a text to Ronnie KeithOn Ep. 58, Iris sits down with Kent Darcie, who is the founder of Adults with Divorced Parents Ministries. He is a licensed professional counselor in Southeast Michigan. Kent is also a popular speaker, workshop presenter, podcast host, blog and article writer, and the author of the book "Choose a Better Path: Overcoming the Impact of Your Parents' Divorce." He’s helped adults with divorced parents identify the issues that are impacting them and provided related resources since 2004.Please contact me at the belowEMAIL: Rkhardrick91@gmail.com
2025-08-0837 min
Driven 2 Thrive: Purpose, Growth, and Lasting Impact For MenUnraveling the Impact of Your Parents Divorce on Your RelationshipsSend us a textAre you carrying invisible scars from your parents' divorce? Even if it happened when you were an adult, the impact could be undermining every relationship in your life without you realizing it. In this eye-opening episode, I sit down with Kent Darcy, an expert who's spent 20 years working with adults affected by parental divorce.We uncover:Why you might be struggling with trust, anger, or fear of abandonmentThe surprising ways divorce affects adult children differently than young onesHow to recognize if you're in denial about the impact of your parents...
2025-07-291h 08
Help for Adults with Divorced ParentsADP 047 Ann Murby interviews Kent On How We're not fine!Ann, and ACD, from Honest Christian Conversations has one with Kent regarding the continuing impact of parental divorce on the kids after they've grown.
2025-06-1350 min
Power of Man PodcastPower of Man #228 - Adult Children of Divorce Ministries with Kent Darcie!Send us a textKent Darcy, Founder of Adult Children of Divorce Ministries joins us today! In his own words: "For twenty years I’ve addressed the issues that commonly face adults with divorced parents because most ADP are unaware of the issues, or are denying the ones they've identified. I know, because I was one of them. My parents divorced when I was 13, but I was in denial of the negative impact it was having on me for many years. " "Issues that can impact adults with divorced parents include anger, fears, triggers, father hunger, grie...
2025-06-061h 09
Honest Christian ConversationsStop Saying "I'm Fine"Stop lying to people and saying "I'm fine" when you aren't. Lying to the ones you love is never okay. We need to have an open and honest conversation with them, allowing healing to take place. That is exactly what I do this week on the podcast. Kent Darcie never expected to become "the divorce guy" at parties. Yet, through his painful journey as a child of divorce, he discovered a largely unaddressed ministry field - helping adult children of divorced parents recognize and heal from the wounds they often don't realize they're...
2025-06-0450 min
The Elisha ShowHow Kent Darcie LPC Helps Adults Heal from Their Parents’ Divorce | Adults with Divorced Parents MinistriesIn this powerful episode, Ambassador Elisha sits down with Kent Darcie, founder of Adults with Divorced Parents Ministries, to uncover the hidden emotional impact of parental divorce on adult children.
Drawing from his own story and over 20 years of experience, Kent shares deep insights into the lifelong effects of childhood divorce—like unresolved anger, fear of abandonment, trust issues, and even how it shapes one’s view of God.
Kent reveals why so many adults are unaware of how their parents' separation continues to influence their relationships, spiritual walk, and emotional health...
2025-05-1918 min
Marriage Rehab: Exposing Narcissistic & Emotional Abuse47. “How Divorce and Narcissistic Abuse Impact Adult Children | with Kent Darcie”What is the long-term impact of divorce and narcissistic abuse on children once they grow into adults? In this episode, Dr. David Hawkins speaks with Kent Darcie, founder of Adult Children of Divorce Ministries and author of Choose a Better Path: Overcoming the Impact of Your Parents’ Divorce.Together they explore:How unresolved family trauma shapes adult relationships and parentingThe connection between divorce, narcissistic abuse, and emotional woundsPractical strategies for breaking generational cycles of dysfunctionFinding hope, resilience, and healing after family breakdownThis ep...
2024-12-2539 min
The Heidi St. John PodcastIt’s Okay to Not Be Okay with Kent DarcieMany of you, like me, are from broken homes, and the holiday season comes with a tremendous amount of added stress. Is it okay to just not want to be with family? When is it okay to say no? Kent Darcie is here today to help talk us through the scenarios we might encounter and how to handle them while we are still in the role of caring for our own families.
Not Consumed: Helping your family grow in faith so you are Not Consumed by life. Head to notconsumed.com/heidi to download th...
2024-12-2048 min
Help for Adults with Divorced ParentsADP 046 Finding Thanksgiving in the HurtsKent shares some of his story to help other adults with divorced parents find the thanks-giving blessings in their own stories.
2024-11-2510 min
Help for Adults with Divorced ParentsADP 045 Are Situationships Good for Women?Kent Darcie discusses the latest relationship craze and it's implications for adults with divorced parents.
2024-09-2714 min
Wine Soundtrack - USADarcie Kent Winery - Darcie KentCheers from Darcie Kent, the woman behind Livermore Valley's most award-winning winery! Darcie is a fifth-generation vintner and artist. 100% of our wines are estate grown, bottled and produced by the Kent family. Our Livermore story began in 1996 with just one small block of Merlot where the Kent family built their house. A few years later, master winemaker Julian Halasz joined our team. Since then, we’ve become home to the region's most acclaimed sparkling wine, Clone 30 Cabernet Sauvignon, and Sauvignon Blancs. We are also re-writing Livermore's legacy for Pinot Noir with our numerous acclaimed releases from our cool climate Triska Vi...
2024-09-1154 min
Great Dad Talks113. Overcoming the Divorce's Impact on Adult Children with Kent DarcieWelcome to another episode of Great Dad Talks, where we dive deep into the challenges and triumphs of fatherhood. Today, we have a compelling conversation with Kent Darcie, an expert in the field of divorce and its profound impact on children and later, adults. Kent shares his personal journey of denial about his parents' divorce for 30 years and how it spurred him to help others in similar situations.Check out Kent's website at hope4adp.comVisit these links and embark on the path to becoming the best parent...
2024-09-1038 min
The Heidi St. John PodcastOvercoming the Impact of Your Parents’ Divorce with Dr. Kent DarcieI think many of us adults could admit we are carrying wounds from our parents’ divorce without realizing how they impact our current relationships, and if it’s not us, we surely have friends who are. My guest today is here to talk through the effects of divorce and how we can process them as adults. Don’t miss this conversation with Dr. Kent Darcie as he shares concepts from his book Choose A Better Path: Overcoming the Impact of Your Parents’ Divorce.
SPONSOR: Thank you to TUVU for sponsoring our podcast today! While other platforms thrive on addict...
2024-08-2344 min
Help for Adults with Divorced ParentsADP 042 Emotional Healing for Those Touched by Abortion: Interview with Stephanie RienhartKent interviews the director of an abortion recovery program. Together they explore the unseen emotional impact of abortion, and share tools for healing.
2024-08-1538 min
Help for Adults with Divorced ParentsADP 041 Interview with Journalist Kate Spicer: A Look at Parental Divorce from the InsideTherapist and author Kent Darcie interviews internationally recognized, Kate Spicer, regarding her article "I'm Unmarried and Childless at 54." The lively and frank discussion explores, through Kate's personal lens, the impact of Father Hunger and other issues that can impact adult children of divorce.
2024-06-1737 min
Help for Adults with Divorced ParentsADP 040 What do Adult Children of Divorce and Adult Children of Alcoholics have in common?In this podcast, Kent discusses some similar challenges ACD and ACOA face, why, and what can be done.
2024-05-2521 min
Help for Adults with Divorced ParentsADP 039 Mother's Day: Overcoming the Guilt of Not Wanting to Send a CardMother's Day can be challenging for adults with divorced parents. Therapist and author Kent Darcie looks at tough questions like, "what if I don't want to send a card?" This helpful dialog can help you move toward peace with this annual celebration.
2024-05-0912 min
Help for Adults with Divorced ParentsADP 038 How Divorce Can Affect DaughtersKent reviews how divorce can impact daughters both young and old.
2024-03-1426 min
Borderlines: Roots and Real Country MusicBorderlines #1141: March 3, 2024Jesse Dayton - Beginning Of The End, Tall Texas Tales
Darcie Deaville - The Caroline Rain, Livin' On The Lucky Side
Ray Condo & His Ricochets - Fort Worth Stomp, High & Wild
Grey Delisle - Frozen In Time, Home Wrecker
Russell Decarle Trio - Willie's Diamond Joe, Live At Loud Mouse Studios
Al Dexter - Is That A Way To Treat A Friend, Country Hit Maker Of the 1940s
Neko Case & Her Boyfriends - Whip The Blankets, Furnace Room Lullaby
The Dixons - Broken Hearted, Lovesick...
2024-03-031h 53
Help for Adults with Divorced ParentsADP 037 Why is Christmas Important: Paul Harvey Christmas StoryKent shares a classic Paul Harvey story that illustrates in very simple terms why the birth of Jesus is so important.
2023-12-2109 minHelp for Adults with Divorced ParentsADP 036 Leslie Nunnery interviews Kent on Navigating Holidays with Divorced ParentsIn this episode, Kent discusses with Leslie Nunnery of Teach Them Diligently the challenges adults with divorced parents can face and how to recover the joy and peace that escapes so many of us during the holidays.
2023-11-2939 min
Help for Adults with Divorced ParentsADP 035 Holiday Boundaries with Divorced ParentsKent discusses what boundaries are, why they may be needed with divorced parents, and ways to apply them.
2023-11-0518 min
Glimpses of GraceEpisode 15: The Christ Centered ChristianEpisode 15 is a free preview of a new GFI audio resource called, "The Christ-Centered Christian." This 10-part audio series is about who Jesus Christ is to the believer and who the believer is in Christ. A series of handouts for note taking and small group discussions are also provided with this resource. These documents were created by Kent Darcie. John and Mark want to thank Edmund Spicker, and "Champions Arise" for the partnership to make this resource available. This audio resource is available for download. Go to www.GraceFellowshipInternational.com. On our site, click the shop button, and this...
2023-07-2517 minHelp for Adults with Divorced ParentsADP 034 Kent interview with Leslie NunneryLeslie Nunnery of the Teach Them Diligently homeschool organization interviews Kent on issues that can affect ADP parents of homeschoolers.
2023-07-1749 min
Grace Fellowship InternationalThe Christ Centered Christian - AudioThis is the first in a 10 part audio series (15 minutes each) about who Jesus Christ is to the believer and who the believer is in Christ. It was prepared for the Champions Arise Radio broadcast.
Speakers: Mark McKeehan and John Woodward
Scripts: John Woodward and Kent Darcie
2023-07-0814 min
Grace Fellowship InternationalThe Christ Centered Christian - AudioThis is the first in a 10 part audio series (15 minutes each) about who Jesus Christ is to the believer and who the believer is in Christ. It was prepared for the Champions Arise Radio broadcast.
Speakers: Mark McKeehan and John Woodward
Scripts: John Woodward and Kent Darcie
2023-07-0814 min
Sip Sip Hooray PodcastWine, art, music and cannabis at Darcie Kent Estate Winery with Darcie Kent, Ep. 67There's a saying that wine is art in a glass. For 5th generation vintner Darcie Kent, that's always been true. Darcie has helped shape the modern Livermore Valley, California wine scene, first with her wine and her paintings, then with a live music venue. For one, she's championing Livermore Valley Grüner Veltliner. And, she's working to bring in new folks into wine, whether through art, music, or, yes, cannabis.
We first met Darcie Kent, her husband David and daughters Kailyn and Amanda more than 20 years ago, filming a story with them about their new wine label, D...
2023-06-211h 04
Help for Adults with Divorced ParentsACD 033 When "I'm Sorry" Never ComesKent looks at our desire for apologies and dealing with their absence.
2023-03-1719 min
Help for Adults with Divorced ParentsACD 032 Where Was God?Kent explores this, often unspoken, question that adults with divorced parents can wrestle with.
2023-01-2122 min
Help for Adults with Divorced ParentsACD 031 Overcoming Sadness at ChristmastimeKent looks at what can cause holiday blues and how to overcome them.
2022-12-1618 min
Help for Adults with Divorced ParentsACD 030 Talking to Our Divorced ParentsKent shares a tool for better communication with our divorced parents.
2022-10-2917 min
Help for Adults with Divorced ParentsACD 029 Two Secrets for a Healthy MarriageKent shares secrets from a couple who just passed 76 years of marriage.
2022-07-2714 min
Help for Adults with Divorced ParentsACD 028 Ethical Non-monogamy?Kent explores temptations that vulnerable ACD can experience through the lens of what works and what doesn't.
2022-05-1215 min
Help for Adults with Divorced ParentsACD 027 Thinking About Divorce?Kent helps ACD think through this important decision.
2021-12-1715 min
GraceStory PodcastAdult Children of Divorce - Kent Darcie LPCOur guest on this episode is Kent Darcie LPC. As the founder of Adult Children of Divorce Ministries and an adult with divorced parents, Kent understands the pain and challenges that come with being ad adult child of divorce. Kent is committed to breaking the cycle of divorce among adults with divorced parents. Since 2004, Kent has written and spoken extensively on the continuing impact of parental divorce on the children after they are grown including his most recent book, Choose a Better Path: Overcoming the Impact of Your Parents’ Divorce.
You can find out more about Kent Dar...
2021-11-3042 min
Help for Adults with Divorced ParentsACD 026 Thoughts on my Dad's FuneralKent looks at some of the unique challenges adults with divorced parents can face when their parents die.
2021-10-1516 min
Spotlight by Livermore Live MusicS02E02 Darcie Kent and Love LivermoreJoin your hosts Doug and Rob Allen as we talk about viticulture, the Love Livermore Live festival, watermelons and more!
2021-10-0539 min
Help for Adults with Divorced ParentsACD 25 Hope-less vs. Hope-fullKent discussed how ACD can move from a hope-less attitude about relationships, life, and other areas to one that is hope-full.
2021-03-1216 min
Help for Adults with Divorced ParentsACD 024 ACD's Forgiveness and BoundariesKent conducts an overview of ACD's struggles with Forgiveness and Boundaries
2021-02-2019 min
Help for Adults with Divorced ParentsACD 023 ACD's Need to GrieveKent explores the losses ACD can incur and why they need to grieve them.
2021-02-0515 min
Help for Adults with Divorced ParentsACD 022 ACD: Avoiding the Divorce CycleKent discusses why ACD tend to divorce at much higher rates and steps that can help them avoid divorce.
2021-01-1616 min
Help for Adults with Divorced ParentsACD 21 ACD: Soothing Their PainKent reviews how the "harmless" activities of adults with divorced parents can sometimes have roots in unresolved pain.
2020-12-0815 min
Help for Adults with Divorced ParentsACD 20 Fear of AbandonmentKent looks at ways the fear of abandonment can impact adults with divorced parents.
2020-11-1715 min
Help for Adults with Divorced ParentsACD 019 Fear of ConflictKent discusses how the fear of conflict can affect adults with divorced parents.
2020-11-0515 min
Help for Adults with Divorced ParentsACD 018 Navigating Divorced Parent's WorldsKent discusses the challenges of trying to adapt to Dad and Mom's different lifestyles, rules, beliefs, and more.
2020-10-2315 min
The Book JamEpisode 11: Facts and Spoopy Books!Episode 11:Marisa and Mary return! This month we are all about FACTS and SPOOPY books. What is a spoopy book? A book that is fun and spooky at the same time. We also ask the eternal question, original cover vs movie cover...and we have THOUGHTS. As always, if you need to add more books to your To Be Read pile, check out the Books Mentioned below! Mary's first book was a nonfiction graphic novel called Kent State: Four Dead in Ohio by Derf Backderf. He tells the untold story of the Kent State...
2020-10-151h 03
Help for Adults with Divorced ParentsACD 017 ACD Issues Overview 2This is the first of a ten-part series where Kent discusses additional issues that impact adults with divorced parents.
2020-10-1315 min
Help for Adults with Divorced ParentsACD 016 Gray Divorce OverviewKent discusses the major issues that impact adults who are adults when their parents divorce.
2020-09-0217 min
Help for Adults with Divorced ParentsACD 015 Father Hunger and MalenessKent discusses the challenge some guys have with answering a key question, "Am I a real man?" when they lose a consistent father figure model.
2020-05-1212 min
Help for Adults with Divorced ParentsACD 014 Interview w/Chris MartinKent Darcie interviews Chris Martin about her book, "10 Things I Wish I Knew Before My Parents Divorced and Remarried."
2020-04-2021 min
Drinking Up Podcast11. Made by WomenWe're celebrating women this month, Women's History Month with some drinks made by females and/or from establishments owned by females. Because y'all...the future is female!Shelley: Three Weavers Seafarer Kolsch Mary: Darcie Kent ChardonnayLily: Uncle Nearest 1884 Mary has been revisiting her favorites from Trader Joe's, including Grifone. Lily visited The Ordinarie Tavern in Long BeachHop Merchants in NoHo
2020-03-1240 min
Don’t Miss A Thought-Provoking Full Audiobook On Your Commute.Choose a Better Path by Kent DarciePlease visithttps://thebookvoice.com/podcasts/2/audible/176183to listen full audiobooks.
Title: Choose a Better Path
Author: Kent Darcie
Narrator: Kent Darcie
Format: mp3
Length: 5 hrs and 40 mins
Release date: 03-10-20
Ratings: 4.5 out of 5 stars, 2 ratings
Genres: Divorce & Separation
Publisher's Summary:
Choose a Better Path: Overcoming the Impact of Your Parents’ Divorce takes listeners on a journey of bite-sized stories, narratives, and teachings that help them discover how their parents’ divorce impacted and continues to impact them. Topics include anger, dealing with triggers, identifying common fears, learning to trust again, handling father hunger, sifting through Gray Divorce (when parents wait unti...
2020-03-105h 40Drinking Up Podcast09. Drinking with Two - Ideas for Valentine's DayDrinking for Two WHAT WE HAD ON THE SHOW:Shelley: Prairie Artisan Ales - Consider Yourself HuggedAlso mentioned, PAA's Deconstructed BombMary: Gloria Ferrer White Brut sparkling white wine from Sonoma, CAAlso mentioned: Barnivore, a vegan beer, wine and liquor guideLily: "Chorus Girl Milk" - champagne cocktail & French 75WHAT WE'VE BEEN DRINKING:Shelley has been enjoying Don't Bogart That Barrel by R6 Distillery.Mary recently found two chardonnays she l...
2020-02-0636 min
Help for Adults with Divorced ParentsLAT: A Temptation for ACD?Living Apart Together (LAT) may sound attractive, but Kent Darcie discusses the pros and cons for adults with divorced parents.
2020-01-1818 min
Help for Adults with Divorced ParentsACD 012 Reclaiming ChristmasIn this program Kent shares a couple of Christmas stories and offers hope for adult children of divorce, because this time of year can be so tough for adults with divorced parents.
2019-12-1407 min
Help for Adults with Divorced ParentsACD 011 Do Divorced Parents Care?Kent discusses the reality that often is lost in the hurts, offenses, and misunderstandings parental divorce can create.
2019-11-1211 min
Help for Adults with Divorced ParentsACD 010 Questions ACD ask (or are afraid to)In this last program in this 10 part series Kent answers questions he receives from adults with divorced parents.
2019-10-0216 min
Help for Adults with Divorced ParentsACD 009 - Setting healthy boundaries with divorced parentsKent Darcie discusses the challenges of boundaries with divorced parents and reviews necessary components of healthy boundaries.
2019-09-2316 min
Help for Adults with Divorced ParentsACD 008 - ACD's and Forgiveness Pt 2Kent Darcie discusses some of the myths of forgiveness and explores what forgiveness looks like for those with divorced parents.
2019-08-2716 min
Help for Adults with Divorced ParentsHope4ACD PC 007 - ACD's and Forgiveness Pt 1Kent Darcie discusses the struggles adults with divorced parents can have with forgiveness.
2019-08-1716 min
Help for Adults with Divorced ParentsACD 006 - The ACD's Struggle with AnxietyKent discusses some surprising connections between parental divorce and anxiety in the lives of ACDs.
2019-07-1316 min
Help for Adults with Divorced ParentsACD 005 - ACD's and Father HungerKent discusses Father Hunger in adults with divorced parents, looks at the challenges, and offers helps to overcome this powerful issue.
2019-07-0516 min
Help for Adults with Divorced ParentsACD 004 - ACD's and Anger Pt 2In this second program on anger and adults with divorce parents, Kent shares tools that can help reduce angry responses.
2019-06-2916 min
Bethel Baptist ChurchJames: Serving A God of Passion Scripture Reading: James 5:13-18 Special Guest Speaker: Kent Darcie, MA-LLPC is the founder and president of Adult Children of Divorce Ministries. Kent has presented workshops, conducted radio interviews, and written extensively on ACD issues. His passion is to help adults with divorce by offering resources and tools that facilitate restored and healthy relationships. You can purchase his book Choose a Better Path from Amazon. You can find more information at hope4acd.com.
2019-06-2336 min
Help for Adults with Divorced ParentsACD 003 - ACD's and Anger Pt 1Kent Darcie and Foster Braun discuss the tendency for adults with divorced parents to struggle with anger issues and what some of the causes can be.
2019-06-2115 min
Help for Adults with Divorced ParentsACD 002 - ACD's Struggle with TrustKent Darcie and Foster Braun discuss the difficulty adults with divorced parents have trusting others.
2019-06-2015 min
Help for Adults with Divorced ParentsACD 001 - ACD Issue OverviewFoster Braun and Kent Darcie begin a ten-podcast series that discusses common issues that impact adults with divorced parents. This podcast gives an overview of the issues that will be covered in this series.
2019-06-2015 min
Behind the MittenBehind the Mitten-Brewery Vivant, KDLJohn Gonzalez and Amy Sherman are co-hosts of "Behind the Mitten," a podcast about Michigan beer, food, festivals and the people who make it all happen! Today's episode finds Amy and John at Brewery Vivant in Grand Rapids. Brewery Vivant is tapping a seasonal beer, a Belgian Wit (on Jan. 8). It's called Ski Patrol. John and Amy talk to Ben Darcie about the beer, and special dinner pairing this weekend with Brook Trout. (Listen at 5:20). John and Amy also talk about the second-year KD-Ale program with the Kent District Library. Morgan Jarema is their guest. (Listen at 20:31). Also, Paul Starr...
2015-01-0843 min