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The Second Time AroundLet’s Stay Together: Praying Through the Hard Seasons🎶 “You’re all I like, you’re all I want, you’re all I need, you’re all I love.” – Guy
This week, we’re drawing from a New Jack Swing classic and a timeless truth: when love is real, you fight for it… with faith.
In this episode, we discuss how prayer became our lifeline during the challenging seasons of our marriage, the moments when communication broke down. When grief hit, when life got heavy, and when loving each other didn’t feel easy, but we knew it was still worth it.
We open up about:
2025-08-0143 minThe Second Time AroundNo More Drama: Setting Boundaries That Bring Peace🎶 “No more pain… no more drama in my life…” – Mary J. Blige (2001)
This week, we’re not just quoting the Queen—we’re living the lyrics.
In this episode, we’re talkin’ all about boundaries—not the buzzword, but the biblical blueprint that helps protect your peace and preserve your relationship. Because you can’t build real love in chaos... and you sure can’t grow in God when your heart’s full of noise.
We open up about:
💬 Letting go of petty patterns and unhealthy cycles
💬 How we stopped letting past wounds control present love
...2025-07-2551 minThe Second Time AroundSlow Jam: Trust Is Built, Not Rushed🎶 “Slow down, baby… lovin’ ain’t going nowhere…” – Mary J. Blige, What’s the 411? (1992)
Mary said it best. Real love takes time, especially when you’re learning to trust again.
In this episode, we open up about what it really took to rebuild trust in our marriage, after carrying the scars of past hurts and our own missteps. From honesty and emotional safety to prayer and patience, we share what it looks like to move at the pace of grace, not pressure.
We get into:
💬 How broken trust shaped our fears and expectations
💬 The s...2025-07-1843 minThe Second Time AroundAll This Love: God Gave Us Another Chance🎶 “All this love is waiting for you…”
Sometimes love doesn’t show up the way you planned—but when God writes the story, the ending is always worth it.
In this episode, we’re opening up about how we found our way back to love after heartbreak—and how God gave us the grace to heal, forgive, and try again. It wasn’t easy. Trust had to be rebuilt. Pride had to fall. And faith had to lead the way.
We get into:
💬 Lessons we learned from past relationships that almost broke us
💬 How to heal trus...2025-07-1043 minThe Second Time AroundLove, Laughs & Learning Curves🎶 “We laugh just a little too loud… stand just a little too close…”
Love hits different when you’ve lived long enough to know: sometimes laughter is ministry, and growth doesn’t come without a few bumps.
In this episode, we get real, and really funny, about the quirks, inside jokes, and “you had to be there” moments that make our marriage what it is. But it’s not all laughs. We also discuss the learning curves that come with a second marriage, including trust, vulnerability, and learning to lean into each other, even when it’s hard.
We’ll shar...2025-07-0442 minThe Second Time AroundTalkin’ Bout Us🎶 “Talkin’ bout us, baby…”
We’re dating with purpose this time, and that means having the kind of conversations that don’t just feel good, but build something real.
In this episode, we’re talkin’ about the moments early in our journey when we had to put it all on the table—faith, expectations, boundaries, past wounds, and future hopes. Because dating as a Christian isn’t just about being cute and quoting scripture. It’s about clarity, communication, and keeping God at the center from the start.
We get into:
💬 How to communicate truth without ki...2025-06-2930 minThe Second Time AroundThat’s the Way Love Grows🎶 “Like a moth to a flame, burned by the fire…”
Janet said it smooth—but real love? It don’t always feel like a slow jam. Sometimes it’s a storm. Sometimes it’s silence. And sometimes… It’s both.
In this episode, we’re talkin’ about how love grows—not in the flowers and fairy tales, but in the late-night prayers, the tough talks, the parenting challenges, and the spiritual pruning that makes you stronger. We’ve been married long enough to know: feelings fade, but faith holds.
We get into:
💬 What happens after the honeymoon hype...2025-06-2748 minThe Second Time AroundJust Got Paid🎶 "Just got paid, Friday night…"
We all know the feeling when that direct deposit hits. But once the vibe fades and the bills show up, then what?
Inspired by Johnny Kemp's 1987 jam, this episode dives into what happens after the payday high. Because in real relationships, money isn't just math—it's ministry. It's how you prioritize, protect, and partner.
In this episode, we talk about:
💬 What happens when savers marry spenders
💬 How unspoken money trauma shows up in love
💬 Building (and rebuilding) financial trust after mistakes
We share how our different mo...2025-06-2742 minThe Second Time AroundBetween The Vows and The Real"Just pray and submit."
"Keep the house clean, the kids quiet, and your spouse satisfied."
"If it’s meant to be, it’ll be easy.”
Whew—who told us that?
In this episode of The Second Time Around, we’re tearing down the marriage myths we were fed—and talkin’ about the tension that lives between the vows and the real. Because let’s be honest: marriage ain’t magic. It's ministry, maturity, and choosing your person daily... even when they leave dishes in the sink.
We share our truth about the myths that alm...2025-06-2047 minThe Second Time AroundBack In Business: (the Relaunch)"You gots to chill…"
But after the chill comes the comeback. And baby, we're Back in Business.
Inspired by that 1997 EPMD classic, this episode is all about the Reset, the Rebuild, and the Real. When life tried to throw us off beat, we had to fall back, let God remix the rhythm, and come back harder—with more clarity, more covering, and more conviction.
In this season opener of The Second Time Around, we're talkin':
🎤 Why we pressed pause—and how God used the silence to speak
🎤 The pressure of loving out loud while l...2025-06-2036 minThe Second Time AroundBuilt For Love: We Held Strong (Part IV)In 2019, PJ Morton released his most personal album yet, PAUL — a body of work that felt like a journal set to soul. On his duet with Jazmine Sullivan, "Built For Love," he sings,
"It's not worth keepin' if it's not worth fightin' for..."
That lyric could've been the soundtrack to our story.
This episode is our purest duet — raw, real, and full of grace. Because when we look back, one thing is clear: we were built for this. The first time around taught us lessons, but the second time? That was the blessing we d...2025-06-1933 minThe Second Time AroundCloser Than Friends: A Faith Leap into Love (Part III)In 1988, Surface gave us that unforgettable R&B anthem: "Closer Than Friends"
"Right now, we're just friends... But I pray someday you'll surrender...To love so tender I won't push you... As long as you know that my love is true..."
But what happens when "just friends" starts to feel like something divinely deeper?
In this episode of The Second Time Around, we share our journey of discovering love in a place we never expected—within our friendship. When you're both prayer partners and pew buddies, serving in God's house together, crossing the fr...2025-06-1933 minThe Second Time AroundCome Go With Me: From Fellowship to Forever (Part II)Want to make God laugh? Tell Him your plans. That’s exactly what we did—and He had something better in mind.
In this heartfelt episode of The Second Time Around Podcast, we share how our paths, full of detours, doubts, and divine delays, unexpectedly led us to one another. Neither of us saw this second chance at love coming, but it was exactly what we both needed.
We open up about our past: former engagements, the strength of friendship, and the value of wise, honest counsel. From a man’s perspective, you'll hear the moment...2025-06-1832 minThe Second Time AroundWritten All Over My Faith: Our Story (Part I)Disciples, buckle up! This episode is a grown-up, faith-filled conversation about dating while serving in ministry—and it’s one you don’t want to miss.
We’re taking you back to the beginning of our love story: the friendship, the courtship, and eventually, the engagement. We revisit those early days with honesty and laughter, sharing the real joys and challenges of building a relationship while navigating our callings.
You’ll hear where we each were in our faith journeys and romantic lives when we met, the unexpected (and hilarious!) story of our first encounter, and how Go...2025-06-0733 minThe Second Time AroundThe Miseducation of Love: Rewriting My Story (Makela's Story, Part II)"Bag lady... you gone miss your bus, dragging all those bags like that."
We told you guys we LOVE music, as song lyrics have a way of simplifying complex relationships and social issues. This lyric from Erykah Badu's Bag Lady is a metaphor for unprocessed emotional baggage we carry in our relationships, often without fully understanding why.
In this episode of The Second Time Around Podcast, we're back to explore the origin stories of our familial relationships and understand how embracing and accepting them can lead to a healthier connection with yourself and your partner.2025-06-0435 minThe Second Time AroundFrom Loneliness To Love: Makela's StoryWho didn't love the popular family sitcom The Brady Bunch? A tale of a lovely...who met a fellow...and had a hunch...and formed a family. Millions of boys and girls growing up in single-family households looked to The Brady Bunch to give them an idea of what a blended family could look like.
In this episode of The Second Time Around Podcast, you'll hear a slightly different story; It includes some lovely ladies... a few hunches...and a whole lotta character-building experiences!
In this candid conversation, we explore her struggles in her early...2025-06-0436 minThe Second Time AroundThe Power Of Understanding Your Parent's Origin Story (Part II)Do you know how your partner's origin story impacted their views on family and relationships?
In the second episode of "The Second Time Around Podcast," we are diving deeper into LaShan's story to help us all discover how our childhoods shape our perspectives on relationships.
LaShan shares intimate stories from his childhood and reveals how he never saw his parents disagree and how that experience colored his expectations on what it takes to REALLY make a marriage work.
Together, we unpack the importance of communication, trust, respect, and long-term commitment when re-navigating marriage...2024-01-2035 minThe Second Time AroundThe Power Of Understanding Your Parent’s Origin StoryAll music tells a story, so when Shalamar sang the words of their 1970s hit "Second Time Around," they already seemed to know our union's story. The Second Time Around Podcast is a testament to God's grace, mercy, and second chances at love. From blending our families to learning from each other's experiences to create our family. We've learned how to make it work by laughing and loving our way through it all. But we've learned from Act II that faith, patience, and grace can make all the difference in marriage. In this first episode, LaShan shares his origin...2023-12-0439 min