Shows
Law and ChaosEp 172 — Law School In The Age Of Trump (Ft. Prof. Eric Segall)Liz and Andrew talk to Professor Eric Segall of Georgia state University College of Lawl. He teaches federal courts and constitutional law I and II, and is the author of the books Originalism as Faith and Supreme Myths: Why the Supreme Court is not a Court and its Justices are not Judges. How can one teach ConLaw when the Supreme Court is burning down precedent? We'll find out! Links: How the Hell To Teach Constitutional Law in 2025: Twenty Questions and No Answers https://www.dorfonlaw.org/2025/08/how-hell-to-teach-constitutional-law-in.html ...
2025-10-101h 05
Law and ChaosEp 169 — The DOJ Descends Into Naked CorruptionAfter Trump appoints his lackey Lindsey Halligan US Attorney for the Eastern District of Virginia, he finally gets his indictment of former FBI Director James Comey. But will it stand in front of a real judge? We break down the grand jury process, and why they say a grand jury will indict a ham sandwich. And for subscribers, Andrew and Liz explain how the DOJ's internet brain poisoning is jeopardizing the Luigi Mangione prosecution. Links: US v. Comey https://www.courtlistener.com/docket/71459120/united-states-v-comey/ Hook v...
2025-09-2651 min
Law and ChaosEp 166 — Refoulement Most FoulThe Department of Homeland Security has decreed that we will all learn what chain refoulement is … by watching them try to rendition wave after wave of immigrants. Andrew and Liz will explain how that's totally illegal. Plus, Newsmax is suing Fox News, again. Links: Newsmax v. Fox [Wisconsin Docket] https://www.courtlistener.com/docket/71323347/newsmax-broadcasting-llc-v-fox-corporation Newsmax v. Fox [Florida Docket] https://www.courtlistener.com/docket/71258079/newsmax-broadcasting-llc-v-fox-corporation Biden v. Byrne https://www.courtlistener.com/docket/67990012/robert-hunter-biden-v-patrick-m-byrne ...
2025-09-1655 min
Law and ChaosEp 155 — We FOIAed The Justice Department & Poor Alan Dershowitz Still Can't Get A SnackThe Department of Justice has filed an ethics complaint against the Chief Judge of the District Court in DC, James Boasberg, and we've enlisted Kel McClanahan to help us figure out what (if any) evidence the Trump administration has to support its claims. Plus, Liz and Andrew listened to the Federal Circuit's oral argument over Trump's tariffs. And what does a disgraced former superlawyer have to do to get a pierogi in Martha's Vineyard?? For our subscribers, we chortle with glee at the return of the Super Best Election Lawyer in All the Land! Links:
2025-08-011h 00
Law and ChaosEp 148 — Trump Cancels Laws…For His Friends And DonorsMike Lindell's sparklemagic lawyers find out that sometimes ChatGPT ends with Rule 11. Then we visit Elon Musk and Sam Altman for a lesson in civil procedure. After that Andrew and Liz explain how Trump can't actually un-ban TikTok via presidential edict and break down the latest Supreme Court efforts to burn down the judiciary. Plus for subscribers, Nate Silver — who only gambles for fun, and don't let anyone tell you otherwise! — is right about the Republicans' trillion dollar tax heist??? Links: Coomer v. Lindell [Docket via Court Listener] https://www.courtlistener.com/do...
2025-07-0845 min
Law and ChaosEp 146 — The Conservative Justices Seize PowerThe Supreme Court's last day of the term was an exercise of raw power. The six conservative justices gave lower courts the back of their hand, making clear that they — and only they! — will decide the law. Nationwide injunctions are out, and so is stare decisis. Andrew and Liz will break down the power grab, along with Mahmoud v. Taylor, in which the howler monkey wing allowed religious parents to opt their kids out of the "religious coercion" of reading books about gay people. Links: Kennedy v. Braidwood Management. https://www.suprem...
2025-07-0158 min
Law and ChaosEp 142 — Who Is The Administrator of DOGE (feat. Anna Bower)Liz and Andrew welcome Lawfare's Anna Bower back to the show to discuss her singular obsession: who is the administrator of DOGE? Find out why that's still a critical question and what discovering the answer might mean in terms of undoing policy, preserving records, and more. Links: Who Is The Administrator of DOGE, by Anna Bower https://www.lawfaremedia.org/article/lawfare-daily--witaod Show Links: https://www.lawandchaospod.com/ BlueSky: @LawAndChaosPod Threads: @LawAndChaosPod Twitter: @LawAndChaosPod
2025-06-171h 09
Law and ChaosEp 137 — Trump's Bad Week In All The CourtsThis week Trump got his ass kicked in courts no one's ever heard of! From tariffs to immigration, Harvard to WilmerHale, it's been a week of losing bigly. Andrew and Liz will break it down and explain what's next. Links: Harvard College v. Department of Health and Human Services [Docket via Court Listener] https://www.courtlistener.com/docket/69921962/president-and-fellows-of-harvard-college-v-us-department-of-health-and/ V.O.S. Selections, Inc. v. Trump [District Court Docket via Court Listener] https://www.courtlistener.com/docket/69888953/vos-selections-inc-v-donald-j-trump V.O.S...
2025-05-301h 09
Law and ChaosEp 133 — The Supreme Court is LAWLESS (feat. Leah Litman)Today, Liz and Andrew interview Prof. Leah Litman about her book Lawless: How the Supreme Court Runs on Conservative Grievance, Fringe Theories, and Bad Vibes. And, as if to prove the point, the Supreme Court today entertained absolutely nonsense arguments in the birthright citizenship cases about how district courts can't issue the kind of injunctions they've issued for the past two centuries because it would make Trump sad. Links: Leah Litman's Lawless: How the Supreme Court Runs on Conservative Grievance, Fringe Theories, and Bad Vibes https://www.amazon.com/La...
2025-05-161h 01
Law and ChaosEp 125 — Trial Judges Stand Up As SCOTUS CowersChief Justice Roberts and the howler monkeys rolled over and played dead. But lower court judges understand the assignment, including Fourth Circuit Judge Harvie Wilkinson, a conservative icon. He read Trump — and implicitly the Supreme Court — for filth. But will it be enough? Liz and Andrew discuss the latest developments in the Salvadoran rendition cases. Plus, Trump moves to put US taxpayers on the hook for the E. Jean Carroll verdict. Links: Abrego Garcia v. Noem [District Docket] https://www.courtlistener.com/docket/69777799/abrego-garcia-v-noem/ Abrego Garcia...
2025-04-1859 min
Law and ChaosEp 123 — SCOTUS Will Protect Due Process. A Little Bit. If It Has To.The Supreme Court had two big immigration rulings this week on deportees to the Salvadoran gulag prison: One terrible and one … marginally okay. Meanwhile at the White House, Tariff Man is running amok! Luckily, he extorted hundreds of millions of dollars worth of big firm billable hours to defend the government. But not from Susman Godfrey, the target of his latest wildly illegal executive order. Links: Tech Policy Podcast with Corbin Barthold (Liz and Andrew guest appearance) https://podcast.techfreedom.org/episodes/403-the-constitutional-crisis Abr...
2025-04-1148 min
Law and ChaosEp 122 — Hang Together or Hang Separately (feat. Ken White)Liz and Andrew sit down with fellow legal podcaster Ken White, AKA "Popehat," to discuss the Trump administration's attack on law firms. Who's fighting? Who's folding? And who's f—ed? Plus an update on the case of the Maryland man deported to a torture prison in El Salvador, and the legal effort to get him home. And for subscribers: The DC Circuit considers if Humphreys Executor is dead, or just mostly dead? Links: Serious Trouble Podcast https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/serious-trouble/id1630160928 Wilcox docket...
2025-04-081h 05
Law and ChaosEp 120 — All The President's Restraining OrdersTime to round up the latest in lawsuits against the Trump administration. The trans military ban is blocked. Renditioning Venezuelans to El Salvador without due process is blocked. The shutdown of the CFPB is blocked. The shutdown of the US Inst of Peace … not blocked. Yet! Liz and Andrew run down a bunch of the Trump cases and explain why it seems like every day brings another restraining order. (Hint: It's because Trump wants to do lots of illegal stuff in a hurry.) Links: Name & Shame https://www...
2025-04-0156 min
Make It Make Sense with Grant HermesTrump 2.0 One Week In (with Liz Dye and Andrew Torrez from Law and Chaos)In his first five days of being back in office, Donald Trump signed a flurry of executive orders that aim to reshape American immigration, justice and the federal government. His plans also put a lot of people in harms way. Grant breaks down the biggest orders and talks to Liz Dye and Andrew Torrez about Trumps moves to disappear trans people from public life, end birthright citizenship and send signals to business that he's in charge.LINKSLaw and Chaos Podcast LA Wildfire HelpMutual Aid LA...
2025-01-2443 min
Law and ChaosEp 101 — Executive Orders: Birthright Citizenship and Disappearing Trans People From Public LifeWe're breaking down two of the vilest executive orders Trump signed on his first day in office. First up, he's attacking trans people every way he can, and the crueler, the better. How does this interact with the Supreme Court's holding in Bostock? And Trump ignored 125 years of precedent to declare birthright citizenship illegal. One federal judge has already said NFW. Subscribers get a discussion of the latest Alex Jones bankruptcy negotiations. Links: Skrmetti: It was THAT Bad https://www.lawandchaospod.com/p/skrmetti-it-was-that-bad?utm_source=publication-search
2025-01-2458 min
Law and ChaosEp 94 — What To Expect When You're Expecting An Orange Toddler President … AGAIN (ft. Evan Hurst)We lived through it once, and we'll do it again. Liz and Andrew talk with Wonkette Senior Editor Evan Hurst about the changing media landscape as we prepare for inauguration. Links: The Moral High Ground https://evanhurst.substack.com/ Show Links: https://www.lawandchaospod.com/ BlueSky: @LawAndChaosPod Threads: @LawAndChaosPod Twitter: @LawAndChaosPod Patreon: patreon.com/LawAndChaosPod
2024-12-311h 12
Law and ChaosEp 93 — Rudy Giuliani Is Wilding Out, And Polio Is Ready For A Comeback (ft. Andrew Fleischman)Rudy Giuliani's wilding out, RFK Jr wants to bring back polio, and the Georgia Court of appeals just set fire to the last remnants of the Trump election interference case. Links: Freeman v. Giuliani [Docket via Court Listener] https://www.courtlistener.com/docket/69015293/freeman-v-giuliani/?order_by=desc GA Court of Appeals Willis Order https://efast.gaappeals.us/download?filingId=cdec1774-027f-4de6-aaf5-fb6c9bb99270 Siri FDA Petition to revoke polio vaccine approval https://static01.nyt.co...
2024-12-241h 03
Law and ChaosEp 92 — Republicans Finally Found Someone To Blame For J6, And It Is Liz CheneyRepublicans in Congress are suggesting that the FBI should LOCK HER UP Liz Cheney, and Donald Trump thinks that's a great idea. But can he do that? We'll discuss. Plus, a Georgia appeals court has disqualified Fulton County DA Fani Willis and her entire office from prosecuting Donald Trump, likely dooming the entire case. And for subscribers, we've got a fun tour of defamation trollsuits from one of our favorite Kraken lawyers. Links: GA Court of Appeals Willis Order https://efast.gaappeals.us/download?filingId=cdec1774-027f-4de6...
2024-12-2052 min
Law and ChaosEp 88 — Meet Brendan Carr, The Guy Who's Going To Make Internet Service Even Sh*ttier (Ft. Karl Bode)Trump has nominated Brendan Carr to chair the FCC, calling him a "warrior for Free Speech" who "will end the regulatory onslaught that has been crippling America's Job Creators and Innovators, and ensure that the FCC delivers for rural America." But as tech journalist Karl Bode explains, Carr has threatened to go after media outlets that criticize Trump, and his plans for rural broadband are even worse. And Liz and Andrew break down the issue "scrutiny" in Skrmetti, the SCOTUS case on healthcare for trans kids. Plus, we check in with Rudy Giuliani's shenanigans in the subscriber bonus.
2024-12-061h 03
Law and ChaosEp 80 — How To Watch The Election Hour By HourJoe Dye is back to talk us through how to watch the election returns. How similar are Wisconsin and Iowa? When will we know the results out of Georgia? And what's up with that Selzer poll? Andrew and Joe break it all down. Show Links: https://www.lawandchaospod.com/ BlueSky: @LawAndChaosPod Threads: @LawAndChaosPod Twitter: @LawAndChaosPod Patreon: patreon.com/LawAndChaosPod
2024-11-051h 20
Law and ChaosEp 79 — Pennsylvania Gets A Jump On Election LitigationElection litigation is well underway in Pennsylvania, even before election day. The Trump campaign has already racked up a win, since they decided that early voting is … good now? Meanwhile Elon Musk is dodging a civil action by Philadelphia's DA over his million dollar "lottery," and Trump filed an absolutely gonzo trollsuit in Texas against CBS. Links: Workers Say They Were Tricked and Threatened as Part of Elon Musk's Get-Out-the-Vote Effort https://www.wired.com/story/elon-musk-america-pac-blitz-canvassing-michigan-uhaul/ Lancaster County officials should deliver real answ...
2024-11-011h 03
Law and ChaosEp 78 — The Independent State Legislature Theory Is Back BiglyRepublicans have discovered ONE WEIRD TRICK to win elections, and it is for the legislatures to steal all the electoral votes. Or if that can't be arranged, they'd accept an intervention from SCOTUS. We'll discuss the independent state legislature theory, as well as Trump's latest filing in the stolen documents appeal. Links: Musk Petition https://petition.theamericapac.org/ Pennsylvania v. America PAC complaint https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/25255630-philly-v-musk Pennsylvania SCT appeal (Genser v. Butler County) https://s3.do...
2024-10-2955 min
Law and ChaosEp 77 — Bush v. Gore On SteroidsWhat will happen on November 5 if Vice President Harris is narrowly ahead of Trump? Will it look like 2020? Or is it more likely to resemble 2000, with a knock down, drag out fight over every ballot? Liz and Andrew break it down. Links: Musk Is Going All In to Elect Trump https://www.nytimes.com/2024/10/11/us/politics/elon-musk-donald-trump-pennsylvania.html Press Release: Benedictine Sisters subject of fraudulent claim https://eriebenedictines.org/news-stories.html/article/2024/10/23/press-release-benedictine-sisters-subject-of-fraudulent-claims Wand et al., The Butterfly Did It: The Aberrant Vote for Bu...
2024-10-2548 min
Law and ChaosEp 76 — Elon Is Evil, But He's Not Buying VotesElon Musk is giving Trump's campaign $75 million. Plus he's paying out $1 million per day to "registered voters." Is that a crime, or just a photo op? Meanwhile in DC, what can we learn from the Special Counsel's latest filing in the Trump election case? And we answer questions about how to watch early election night returns. Links: Musk Petition https://petition.theamericapac.org/ US v. Trump [Docket via Court Listener] https://www.courtlistener.com/docket/67656595/united-states-v-trump/?order_by=desc Elon Musk Vee...
2024-10-2259 min
Law and ChaosEp 75 BONUS — How Kentucky and Indiana Can Tell Us If Kamala Harris Has Won on Election NightIn this BONUS episode, elections expert Joe Dye returns to tell us what to watch for when the very first returns on Election Day come in at 6 pm Eastern from Indiana and Kentucky. Learn how those deep red states will help us test six different bits of conventional wisdom we've all heard from the pundits, like whether Kamala Harris is facing a backlash from college students, or whether she has made inroads with educated white voters & so much more! Links: The Republican Feelings Industrial Complex https://www.lawandchaospod.com/p/bonus-the-republican-feelings-industrial
2024-10-2150 min
Law and ChaosEp 74 — Judge Blows Up Billion Dollar Boeing Settlement For Excessive WOKELt. Gov. Mark "Horndog" Robinson is suing CNN and a former porn shop worker named Louis Love Money for $50 million. And Texas's worst(?) federal judge threatens to tank a Boeing plea deal because the federal monitor might do DEIs. Can't have the airline pay victims of airline crashes unless the deal is 100 percent woke free! And for subscribers, a deep dive into the latest Trump election interference case foolishness. Links: Liz on Andrew Bailey: "Missouri AG Andy Bailey Face Plants All Over Federal Docket In Media Matters Case" https://www.lawandchaospod.c...
2024-10-1858 min
Law and ChaosEp 73— Everything Must Go: The Alex Jones EditionThe courts are closed, but crazy never takes a break. We'll check in on Alex Jones's bankruptcy liquidation, Donald Trump's shenanigans in the election interference case, and the horror show now that the mifepristone case is back before Judge Matthew Kacsmaryk. Subscribers catch up with Peter Navarro, who seems to be working at cross purposes to his old boss in federal court — although perhaps it hasn't yet occurred to him. Links: Free Speech Systems Auction Page https://360assetadvisors.com/events/fssmh/ US v. Trump (DC docke...
2024-10-151h 00
Law and ChaosEp 72 — Did SCOTUS Leave A Second Escape Hatch For Trump In The Election Case?The Trump election interference case is back, and the immunity ruling isn't the only way the Supreme Court tried to kneecap it. A case called Fischer v. US may prove fatal as well. Also, we take your questions of Florida's abortion and marijuana ballot initiatives. And for subscribers, we catch up with Kraken weirdos Stefanie Lambert and Patrick Byrne. Links: FL Stat. 101-161 http://www.leg.state.fl.us/statutes/index.cfm?App_mode=Display_Statute&URL=0100-0199/0101/Sections/0101.161.html Fischer v. US (2024) https://www.su...
2024-10-1144 min
Law and ChaosEp 71 — Trump Judges Discover One Weird Trick To Get Rid Of Federal Regs (Hint: It Is A Sharpie!)They're baaaaaack! The Supreme Court's October term starts this week, and the howler monkey wing is ready to FSU. Down in Florida, Trump appointee Judge Kathryn Mizelle is doing her best Aileen Cannon impersonation. That story has an old school deep dive from Andrew into 13th century Saxony and beyond. And, for subscribers, we'll unpack an amazing grift in Oklahoma. Links: ABA Letter rating Mizelle "Not Qualified" https://www.americanbar.org/content/dam/aba/administrative/government_affairs_office/2020-09-08chair-rating-letter-to-graham-and-feinstein-re-nomination-of-kathryn-kimball-mizelle.pdf?logActivity=true False Claims Act, 31 U...
2024-10-0859 min
Law and ChaosEp 70 — "Make Them Riot. Do It!!!"Special Counsel Jack Smith filed his opening salvo since the Supreme Court invented a new doctrine of absolute presidential immunity. Trump complained that the immunity brief is functionally a mini-Special Counsel report, and he's not wrong. But if you don't want your crimes on the public docket, maybe don't try to overthrow democracy! Liz and Andrew break down the latest in Trump's election interference case. Links: US v. Trump [Docket via Court Listener] https://www.courtlistener.com/docket/67656595/united-states-v-trump/?order_by=desc Show Links: h...
2024-10-041h 12
Law and ChaosEp 69 — Alex Jones, Eric Adams, And Donald Trump Walk Into A BarIt's a regular Star Wars bar on today's show, with updates in Donald Trump's election interference case and Alex Jones's bankruptcy. But the real star is New York Mayor Eric Adams, who wants to dismiss his indictment because the Supreme Court says it's not a bribe if you don't get paid until after you do the official act. It's a gratuity, which is as American as apple pie! Links: US v. Adams [Docket via Court Listener] https://www.courtlistener.com/docket/69197933/united-states-v-adams/ Free Speech Systems Bankruptcy [Docket via Court Listener]
2024-10-011h 01
Law and ChaosEp 68 — Eric Adams Thought He'd Be President, And So Did His Turkish HandlersThe Mayor of New York was federally indicted for taking bribes from the Turkish government. He was not indicted for taking notes on a criminal f***ing conspiracy in flagrant violation of the Stringer Bell Rule. But perhaps the feds are saving that for a superseding indictment. And for subscribers: an update on the DC election interference case. Links: US v. Adams [SDNY Docket via Court Listener] https://www.courtlistener.com/docket/69197933/united-states-v-adams/ US v. Trump [DC Docket via Court Listener] https://www.courtlistener.com/do...
2024-09-2748 min
Law and ChaosEp 67 — Election Shenanigans PaloozaIt's a roundup day! Time to run down the latest efforts to mess with the vote, from Georgia to Nebraska and all places in between. Then Cards Against Humanity sues SpaceX, and the complaint is a thing of beauty. Finally, let's talk about Republicans' grudging plan to NOT sink the economy before November. Please clap! Links: Fuzzy Math: Wrong Way Reforms for Allocating Electoral Votes https://fairvote.app.box.com/v/fuzzy-math-wrong-way-reforms RFK Jr. FEC Statement of Candidacy https://iapps.courts.state.ny.us/nyscef/ViewDocument?docIndex=2o...
2024-09-2448 min
Law and ChaosEp 66 — Things You Wish You Didn't Know, Some Of Them Not Even About TrumpRepublican Mark Robinson hopes to be North Carolina's next governor. Trump hopes he will go away and stop dragging down the ticket. Meanwhile, the documents case hits the Eleventh Circuit, and outside amici are asking the appeals court to disqualify Judge Aileen Cannon. And in Arizona, a federal judge told Mark Meadows to GTFO with his claim that he was doing official White House business when he tried to steal the state's electors in 2020. Subscribers will get a deep dive into the sh*tshow that is Trump Media Technology Group stock. Links: US v. Combs...
2024-09-2052 min
Law and ChaosEp 65 — Can You Censor the Internet By Shouting 'It's For the Kids?'Utah tried to implement an age verification requirement for social media. The governor even got into a fight with our guest, free speech lawyer Ari Cohn, on Twitter, when he pointed out that the law was patently unconstitutional. But now a federal judge has enjoined it, because there is no One Weird Trick to get around the First Amendment. Did Gov. Cox ever apologize? Links: Nechoice v. Reyes [Docket via Court Listener] https://www.courtlistener.com/docket/68097000/netchoice-llc-v-reyes/ Utah Netchoice opinion https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.u...
2024-09-1742 min
Law and ChaosEp 64 — Debate Debacle DenouementAfter Kamala Harris dogwalked Trump in Tuesday's debate, he's been melting down on every platform and demanding retribution against ABC. How many ways is that threat BS? All the ways! Meanwhile, it's not just Taylor Swift who hates Donald Trump. It's basically every artist on earth. And they're making their feelings known in court. Finally, subscribers get a look at recent court decisions keeping RFK Jr on and off the ballot. Links: NC Supreme Court Ruling Re RFK Ballot Removal https://appellate.nccourts.org/orders.php?t=P&court=1&id=439795&pdf=1&a=0&docket=1...
2024-09-1341 min
Law and ChaosEp 63 — Russia If You're Listening: The Dipsh*ts EditionRussia's been renting out rightwing media influencers in a plot to undermine support for Ukraine, get Trump elected, and undermine American social unity? Say it ain't so! We'll break down the Justice Department's indictment of two Russian agents for setting up a covert operation. And for subscribers, there's bonus content on the FBI rolling up another Kremlin operation to plant fake news stories using spoofed websites. Links: Merchan delays sentencing https://s3.documentcloud.org/documents/25100932/people-v-djt-letter-adjournment-dec-9-6-24.pdf 18 USC § 1956 https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/1956 F...
2024-09-1054 min
Law and ChaosEp 62 — Elon Musk Is Trying To Break BrazilElon Musk claims to be defending free speech by picking a fight with the Brazilian government. But is this about his high minded principles, or his rightwing buddies? We'll talk to international arbitration lawyer JJ Gass about Musk's threats to Brazil and its politicians. (Full interview for subscribers.) Links: FSIA 28 U.S.C. § 1605 https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/28/1605 28 U.S.C. § 1610 https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/28/1610 Show Links: https://www.lawandchaospod.com/ BlueSky: @LawAndChaosPod ...
2024-09-0656 min
Law and ChaosEp 61 — What's In A Name, Image, Likeness?It's deep dive day into the NCAA. How long can it get away with not paying players? And why can't you buy a Marvin Harrison jersey? Plus, we'll catch up on the Trump case in DC, along with a subscriber bonus on Trump's pre-sentencing shenanigans in New York. Links: People of the State of NY v. Trump [Docket via Court Listener] https://www.courtlistener.com/docket/67326478/people-of-the-state-of-new-york-v-trump/ US v. Trump [DC District Court Docket via Court Listener] https://www.courtlistener.com/docket/67656604/united-states-v-trump/ Harrison Term...
2024-09-0347 min
Law and ChaosEp 60 — Jack Is Back, And Georgia Is WackSpecial Counsel Jack Smith filed a superseding indictment in the election interference case. Time for Trump's SCOTUS pals to ride to the rescue again! And in Georgia, local election officials are preparing to gum up the works if voters don't give them what they want. Links: Trump DC superseding indictment https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.dcd.258149/gov.uscourts.dcd.258149.226.0_38.pdf Trump DC original indictment https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.dcd.258149/gov.uscourts.dcd.258149.1.0_10.pdf US v. Trump (DC) August 8, 2024 status report ...
2024-08-3059 min
Law and ChaosEp 59 — RFK Drops Out, And The Stolen Docs Case Is BackThe stolen documents case is back! Judge Aileen Cannon dismissed the charges against Trump and his goons in July on the theory that special counsels are illegal, and Monday Special Counsel Jack Smith filed his brief to the Eleventh Circuit explaining why she is very obviously wrong. Plus, RFK Jr. dropped out and endorsed Trump. Does that mean he's off the ballot everywhere? Links: Jack Smith 11th Cir Brief https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.ca11.87822/gov.uscourts.ca11.87822.18.0_1.pdf Trump v. US https://www.supremecourt.g...
2024-08-271h 09
Law and ChaosEp 58 — GOP Officials Working Overtime To Protect The Ballot From The VotersAbortion is on the ballot in Missouri, Florida, and Arizona, and Republicans are working hard to stop women from controlling the ballot box, and their own bodies. Meanwhile at the Supreme Court, the conservative justices are trying to shave points for Trump in Arizona. And subscribers will hear about shenanigans at the Arkansas Supreme Court to disappear an abortion referendum. Links: MO Constitutional Amendment https://moconstitutionalfreedom.org/wp-content/uploads/2024/01/Missourians-for-Constitutional-Freedom-Amendment.pdf MO Abortion Amendment Litigation Docket https://www.courts.mo.gov/cnet/cases/newHeader.do?inputVO.caseNumber=24AC-CC06970&inputVO...
2024-08-2351 min
Law and ChaosEp 57 — Santos Goes to Jail, Disney Goes to Court, and Trump Goes After The SwiftiesFormer congressman George Santos — an heir to the Romanoff dynasty who discovered molybdenum — pleads guilty in New York. Disney tries to escape a wrongful death suit at its Florida Park because of an arbitration clause in its Disney+ fine print. And Trump claims an endorsement from AI Taylor Swift. What could possibly go wrong? Links: Piccolo Complaint https://www.scribd.com/document/708687171/Raglan-Road-Lawsuit Disney MTC arbitration https://s3.documentcloud.org/documents/25041321/disney-arbitration-tangsuan.pdf Plaintiffs' opposition https://s3.documentcloud.org/documents/25041320/disney-piccolo-response-tangsuan.pdf Raglan Road...
2024-08-2055 min
Law and ChaosEp 56 — RFK Jr Is In Trouble, And Not Just With BearsA New York judge just kicked Robert Kennedy Jr. off the ballot for lying about his residency — a lie he told everywhere else, as well. Could this be the end of his spoiler candidacy? And for subscribers, an exploration of Gov. Ron DeSantis's weird war on woke meat. Links: 28 U.S.C. § 455 https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/28/455 Where RFK Jr. and Independent Candidates Are On The Ballot, New York Times https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2024/us/politics/presidential-candidates-third-party-independent.html RFK Jr. Notice...
2024-08-1640 min
Law and ChaosEp 55 — Elon Musk Sues Advertisers For GIVE ME MONEYTwitter filed an antitrust suit against a tiny non-profit trade group and a bunch of big companies for "illegally" boycotting his Nazi bar. To protect free speech! And for subscribers: Did Kamala copy Trump's plan to cut taxes on tipped compensation? Links: RELEASE: Sen. Ted Cruz's No Tax on Tips Act Does Little for Low- and Moderate-Wage Workers But Opens Door to Tax Abuse by Wealthy https://www.americanprogress.org/press/release-sen-ted-cruzs-no-tax-on-tips-act-does-little-for-low-and-moderate-wage-workers-but-opens-door-to-tax-abuse-by-wealthy/ It's Now Impossible to Search Old Trump Tweets on X https://www.mediaite.com/online/its-now-impossible-to-search-old-trump-tweets-on-x/
2024-08-1345 min
Law and ChaosEp 54 — Tim Walz Does The Dang WorkMinnesota Governor Tim Walz accomplished more in one legislative term than most politicians do in a lifetime. Can he do the same for the country? We take a deep dive into some of the laws he championed in Minnesota. Is this … optimism??? Links: Louisiana Will Get The Ten Commandments Into Schools If They Have To Break 'Em All To Do It https://www.lawandchaospod.com/p/louisiana-will-get-the-ten-commandments Idaho Stat. 18-623 https://legislature.idaho.gov/statutesrules/idstat/title18/t18ch6/sect18-623/ Idaho Stat. 18-8807 h...
2024-08-0951 min
Law and ChaosEp 53 — Trump's Election Interference Case Is Back Just In Time For The Next ElectionThe Trump election interference case is finally back from getting beat to hell by the Supreme Court. What's left after the disastrous immunity decision? And will the Supreme Court accept Mark Meadows' invitation to do even more damage to the Republic in a naked bid to protect Trump's cronies? Links: Trump v. US Immunity Decisions https://www.supremecourt.gov/opinions/23pdf/23-939_e2pg.pdf US v. Trump District Court Docket via Court Listener https://www.courtlistener.com/docket/67656595/united-states-v-trump/ Fischer v. US (2024) htt...
2024-08-061h 01
Law and ChaosEp 52 — Utah Supreme Court Casts Major Shade On Sam AlitoThe Utah Supreme Court will not be LARPing as amateur historians, no matter what nonsense Justices Thomas and Alito get up to. The state's highest court upholds an injunction blocking an abortion ban. And we'll check in on Rudy Giuliani's ignominious exit from bankruptcy, along with Project 2025's implosion. Have rumors of the manifesto's demise been greatly exaggerated? Links: Gina Carano's Trollsuit Against Disney Lives To Fight Another Day https://www.lawandchaospod.com/p/gina-caranos-trollsuit-against-disney Roake v. Brumley - LA Ten Commandments docket https://www.courtlistener.com/do...
2024-08-021h 02
Law and ChaosEp 51 — Supreme Court Reform: First They Say You're Crazy, Then They Fight You…President Biden is out with an op ed on how to fix our broken Supreme Court. We discuss the plan and the possibilities of implementing it. Could we shunt some of these justices off to the minor leagues and save the country? And Missouri Attorney General Andy Bailey wants to keep a man in jail despite the fact that he is actually innocent. Wouldn't want to look like he's soft on crime! Links: NY AG brief in Missouri v. New York https://www.supremecourt.gov/DocketPDF/22/22O159/319733/20240724191733354_22O159_NY%20Brief%20in%20...
2024-07-3055 min
Law and ChaosEp 50 — Project 2025: Yes, It Is THAT BADProject 2025 is the right's manifesto on how to break the government and turn America into a Christian nationalist state. It's also deeply weird — just like the guys who wrote it. We'll break down 20 of the craziest policy proposals, and then take a deep dive into the plan to replace the civil service with an army of MAGA loyalists. Links: GOP Whines That It's No Fair That Kamala Gets Joe's Money https://www.lawandchaospod.com/p/gop-whines-that-its-no-fair-kamala Project 2025 https://static.project2025.org/2025_MandateForLeadership_FULL.pdf Pendleton Civil Service Re...
2024-07-2652 min
Law and ChaosEp 49 — Biden Bows Out, Kamala Sharpens Her Coconuts, and the GOP Gets Ready to Ratf—Biden is out, Kamala is all but in, and the GOP is freaking out. We'll break down potential Republican legal challenges to a Harris candidacy. Subscribers will get an extended curbstomping of Jonathan Turley's galaxy brain plan to 25th Amendment Biden out of the last six months of his term. Links: Louisiana notice of compliance https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.lamd.64943/gov.uscourts.lamd.64943.32.0.pdf DNC 2024 Call For the DNC https://democrats.org/wp-content/uploads/2023/03/2024-Call-for-Convention.pdf DNC 2024 Delegate Selection Rules h...
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Law and ChaosEp 48 — Alec Baldwin Walks Out Of Court, While Rudy Giuliani Sloshes Back InRudy Giuliani discovers that getting out of bankruptcy court is harder than falling on your keyster at the RNC. And New Mexico prosecutors discover one weird trick to blow up a criminal case. (It is the Brady rule!) Plus Patreons get an update on the Louisiana ten commandments mandate. Links: NMSA 30-2-3 https://law.justia.com/codes/new-mexico/chapter-30/article-2/section-30-2-3/ NMSA 30-7-4 https://law.justia.com/codes/new-mexico/chapter-30/article-7/section-30-7-4/ Alec Baldwin docket https://caselookup.nmcourts.gov...
2024-07-1957 min
Law and ChaosEp 47 — Trump Gets Christmas In July Thanks To Judge Aileen CannonJudge Cannon blows up the documents case by declaring special counsels illegal. All she had to do was ignore 50 years of precedent, five federal statutes, and two Supreme cases. Glove up for a deep dive, with Liz and Andrew. Links: Show Links: https://www.lawandchaospod.com/ BlueSky: @LawAndChaosPod Threads: @LawAndChaosPod Twitter: @LawAndChaosPod Patreon: patreon.com/LawAndChaosPod
2024-07-1659 min
Law and ChaosEp 46 — Rudy Giuliani and Bathtub Gin — Thanks, SCOTUS!A Trump trial judge decides to overturn Supreme Court precedent on home distilling. And speaking of sobriety … we'll check in on Rudy Giuliani's attempt to replicate Alex Jones's stunning success in the bankruptcy court. Patreons get an extra field trip to Congress, where Oversight Chair James Comer invites the Biden administration to say where it would like to be kicked. Links: Wait, The Fifth Circuit Is Snatching Cases From Other Circuits Now? https://www.lawandchaospod.com/p/the-fifth-circuit-is-snatching-cases 26 USC 5178 https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/26/5178 ...
2024-07-1251 min
Law and ChaosEp 45 — Kraken Crackpots and Cannon BallsToday we have a deep dive into the absolute havoc SCOTUS's immunity ruling will wreak in Trump's document theft case — even though he was out of the White House when he committed his crimes! But first, the election denying weirdos and their election denying lawyers are Froot Looping all over the docket in the Dominion defamation case. And for subscribers: a discussion of the Alex Jones bankruptcy debacle. Links: 18 USC 333 https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/333 John Case in 2015 https://www.evanscase.com/john-case-senior-partner-at-evans-case-llp-attorney-named-colorado-super-lawyer/ Joh...
2024-07-0958 min
Law and ChaosEp 44 — SCOTUS Decides Not To Break The Internet … Yet (Feat. Corbin Barthold)Liz and Andrew talk to Tech Freedom's Corbin Barthold about two recent SCOTUS decisions involving conservative efforts to claim victimhood on social media. In Murthy v. Missouri, Missouri and Louisiana complained about the Biden administration's efforts to push back against covid misinformation on social media. And in Moody v. Netchoice, Florida and Texas attempted to impose state controls on what social media platforms may restrict. Links: Murthy v. Missouri (SCOTUS) https://www.supremecourt.gov/opinions/23pdf/23-411new_7mio.pdf Missouri v. Biden (5th Cir) http...
2024-07-051h 02
Law and ChaosEp 43 — Well … So Much For The RepublicSCOTUS gives Trump everything his heart desires and more. Not only does he get to stay out of jail, he gets to be king if he wins again. Liz and Andrew break down the disaster. Links: Trump v. US https://www.supremecourt.gov/opinions/23pdf/23-939_e2pg.pdf The Court's Fischer Ruling Is a Symbolic Setback for the Justice Department—But One With Modest Consequences — by Roger Parloff https://www.lawfaremedia.org/article/the-court-s-fischer-ruling-is-a-symbolic-setback-for-the-justice-department-but-one-with-modest-consequences Loper Bright Enterprises v. Raimondo https://www.supremecourt.gov/opinions/23pdf...
2024-07-0256 min
Law and ChaosEp 42 — SCOTUS Wrecks the SEC, While Judge Cannon Wrecks Her Credibility … Such As It WasIn today's episode, we check in with the Supreme Court that still has six cases left to decide, including the key decision on Presidential immunity. We break down Moyle v. US, in which the Supreme Court punted (for now) on the seemingly straightforward question of whether state abortion laws can supersede the federal EMTALA law protecting women in emergency rooms. Then, we discuss SEC v. Jarkesy, in which the Roberts Court continues to gut the administrative state, this time by restricting how the Securities and Exchange Commission can go after securities fraud. And in between, we update you on...
2024-06-2858 min
Law and ChaosEp 41 — Chief Justice Roberts Will Do Anything For Guns, But He Won't Do THATToday's episode takes a look at two of the Supreme Court's decisions from last week, US v. Rahimi, which apparently involves both gun control and time travel, and Erlinger v. US, which is an incredibly nuanced discussion of what qualifies as a prior offense under a Reagan-era federal law, so MAGA nation is of course lying about it being relevant to somehow overturning Donald Trump's 34 state felony convictions. It isn't. Finally, we update you as to the free-for-all unfolding now that Alex Jones's company has been dismissed from its bankruptcy. It's Texas justice! ...
2024-06-2543 min
Law and ChaosEp 40 — Conservative Judges, Drunk On Power, Take The Wheel (feat. Amanda Marcotte)Today, Liz and Andrew talk to Salon's Amanda Marcotte about the right wing's assault on Title IX through the prism of the political wedge issue of women's sports. Then, Amanda breaks down the phenomenon of conservative "tradwives" as both cosplay and a gateway drug to white supremacy. Links: "Texas professors sue to fail students who seek abortions," by Amanda Marcotte https://www.salon.com/2024/06/03/texas-professors-to-fail-students-seek-abortions/ "After Supreme Court's abortion pill decision, Donald Trump is even more likely to ban abortion," by Amanda Marcotte https://www.sa...
2024-06-211h 12
Law and ChaosEp 39 — Trump Lawyers Flop Like Ronaldo As Alex Jones Dances Out Of BankruptcyWe update you on the developments at Alex Jones's two bankruptcy hearings last week and why they were a big win for the conspiracy theorist, with a special deep dive into Article I vs. Article III judges. Then, we discuss the latest from the Supreme court, before turning our attention to the myriad ways in which Donald Trump's lawyers are still takin' a dive before Aileen Cannon in the Southern District of Florida, just hoping that she'll throw that red card. Links: 27 CFR Parts 447, 478, and 479 https://www.govinfo.gov/content/pkg/F...
2024-06-1858 min
Law and ChaosEp 38 — Alex Jones's Bankruptcy Is TURNIN' THE FREAKIN' FROGS GAY!It's another Trump-free extravaganza! We discuss the Hunter Biden conviction, forthcoming sentencing and appeals. Then, Liz and Andrew walk through the Supreme Court's 9-0 reversal of the Fifth Circuit, protecting – for now! – the right to medical abortion drugs over the internet. Finally, in a lengthy segment (with a long Patreon bonus!), we tell you everything you need to know about a critical juncture in the Alex Jones corporate bankruptcy in the face of likely and deliberate misinformation by Alex Jones regardless of what happens. Links: L&C Episode 28 https://podcasts.apple.com/u...
2024-06-1453 min
Law and ChaosEp 37 — PA Dad Takes On Moms For Liberty (feat. Joy Ramsingh and Darren Laustsen)Pennsylvania dad Darren Laustsen saw books disappearing from his daughter's school — books which just so happened to be on the Moms for Liberty hit list. And he did something about it! Andrew and Liz talk to Darren and his lawyer Joy Ramsingh about their open records case that revealed a school board plot to shadowban books. Links: Laustsen v. Pennridge SD docket https://propublic.buckscountyonline.org/PSI/v/detail/Case/6253965 SB answer https://www.openrecords.pa.gov/Appeals/DocketGetFile.cfm?id=129351 10/19/23 Order https://www.openrecords.pa.g...
2024-06-111h 07
Law and ChaosEp 36 — Bad News For Ken Chesebro. And For Asbestos!We update you on all of the states that have brought criminal charges against those involved in the "fake electors" plot to try and keep Donald Trump in the White House after he lost the 2020 election, including in particular the latest criminal complaint filed against Ken Chesbro in Wisconsin. In the B segment, we tell you how the Biden administration FINALLY banned asbestos. In 2024. Links: Chesebro "The Real Deadline for Settling a State's Electoral Votes" memo https://app.box.com/s/ifis7hu74dz6xp0awkq567ygetrvcof1/file/1460145645094 AZ f...
2024-06-0750 min
Law and ChaosEp 35 — Judge Cannon Drops The Ball. Plus Your Trump Trial Questions Answered!We answer your follow-up questions on the Trump verdict in New York, remind you that Aileen Cannon continues to get worse and worse in the Trump documents case in FL, talk about Sam Alito's fondness for flags, and give you an extra-long patreon bonus on Stan Woodward's dedication to NOT his client. Links: Alito https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/24698834-letter-from-justice-alito-to-senators-durbin-and-whitehouse Noreika denial of Hunter Biden MTD on invalidity of special counsel https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.ded.82797/gov.uscourts.ded.82797.101.0.pdf 18 U.S.C. 2
2024-06-041h 06
Law and ChaosEp 34 — GUILTYIT IS FINISHED. Today, the jury in New York unanimously agreed that Donald Trump committed 34 felonies, falsifying business records in the first degree, when he repaid Michael Cohen for secretly paying off Stormy Daniels to bury her story right before the 2016 election. What does it all mean and what comes next? Listen and find out! Links: NY Penal Law 175.10 https://codes.findlaw.com/ny/penal-law/pen-sect-175-10/ New York Penal Sec. 70 https://www.nysenate.gov/legislation/laws/PEN/70.00 New York Penal Sec. 65 https://codes.findlaw...
2024-05-3157 min
Law and ChaosEp 33 — Trump Trials: What Does The Manhattan DA Have To Do To Secure A Conviction?Trump's false business records case goes to the jury in New York. Liz and Andrew break down the charges and the jury instructions, as well as debunking some of Trumpland's wildest lies about the law. Links: CITES NY PEN 175.05 https://codes.findlaw.com/ny/penal-law/pen-sect-175-05/ NY PEN 175.10 https://codes.findlaw.com/ny/penal-law/pen-sect-175-10/ Cohen plea deal https://www.justice.gov/usao-sdny/pr/michael-cohen-pleads-guilty-manhattan-federal-court-eight-counts-including-criminal-tax NY Election law 17-152 New York Criminal Pattern Jury Instructions (CJ...
2024-05-281h 07
Law and ChaosEp 32 — SCOTUS Says Racial Gerrymanders Are Very Cool and Very LegalLiz and Andrew break down the latest Supreme Court horror ruling, greenlighting racial gerrymandering to all Republicans to choose their voters, and not the other way around. And then it's off to Florida to catch up on the latest wacka**ery in the Trump stolen docs case. Links: Rucho v. Common Cause (2019) https://scholar.google.com/scholar_case?case=6090361490276671133 Gill v. Whitford (2018) https://www.supremecourt.gov/opinions/17pdf/16-1161_dc8f.pdf Alexander v. S.C. NAACP (2024) https://www.supremecourt.gov/opinions/23pdf/22...
2024-05-2450 min
Law and ChaosEp 31 — The Trump Trials: What Are They Thinking? (Plus Clarence Thomas Surprises Us All)Trump's lawyers make a bevy of unforced errors as their client continues to march ever closer to a conviction in New York for fraud in concealing the payoff payment to Stormy Daniels. Also, the Supreme Court surprises us, sort of, for now, by not sacking the Consumer Financial Protection Bureau and by allowing a Louisiana congressional map to go into effect that doubles the minority representation in that state. Links: 12 U.S.C. § 5481 et seq. https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/12/chapter-53/subchapter-V CFPB Initial Report, July 18, 2011
2024-05-2150 min
Law and ChaosEp 30 — The Trump Trials: SLEAZE-A-PALOOZA!The Trump trial in New York is racing toward the finish line, with Michael Cohen potentially the last witness. Meanwhile in DC, Steve Bannon reaches the findout on his contempt of congress charge. Links: US v. Navarro [Docket via Court Listener] https://www.courtlistener.com/docket/63359365/united-states-v-navarro/ 2 U.S.C. § 192 https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/2/192 18 U.S.C. § 3624 https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/3624 18 U.S.C. § 3632 https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/3632 18 U.S.C...
2024-05-171h 05
Law and ChaosEp 29 — The Trump Trials: She Is The StormLiz and Andrew check in on the latest hilarity from Stefanie Lambert, the Kraken alum who's now been arrested twice for trying to overthrow the 2020 election. Then, they break down last week in Trump's NY trial with a focus on Stormy Daniels' testimony and what the DA's office has left to prove. Links: New York Penal Law § 175.10 https://codes.findlaw.com/ny/penal-law/pen-sect-175-10 Dominion v. Byrne Lambert Motion to Adjourn https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.dcd.234316/gov.uscourts.dcd.234316.98.0.pdf Dominion v...
2024-05-1442 min
Law and ChaosEp 28 — Throwing Shade on the Supreme Court (Feat. Steve Vladeck)Liz and Andrew interview law professor Steven Vladek about The Shadow Docket, what makes the Supreme Court legitimate, and how to think and talk about it in order to reform the Court for the future. Links: The Shadow Docket https://www.amazon.com/Shadow-Docket-Supreme-Undermine-Republic/dp/B0BJ15Q9VZ/ Lisa Needham on Public Notice, "The Dangerously Illiberal Judges" https://www.publicnotice.co/p/columbia-protests-law-clerk-trump-judges-boycott Show Links: https://www.lawandchaospod.com/ BlueSky: @LawAndChaosPod Threads: @LawAndChaosPod Twitter: @La...
2024-05-101h 06
Law and ChaosEp 27 — Trump Trials And ChemtrailsLiz and Andrew break Justice Merchan's contempt ruling that paves the way for Trump to spend time in lockup, then discuss the witnesses and how they did, or did not, help the prosecution build its case. Plus, Tennessee banned contrails and maybe … spray bottles? Links: Second Contempt Order https://www.nycourts.gov/LegacyPDFS/press/PDFs/DOcontempt_5-6-24FINAL.pdf Consolidated Appropriations Act of 2022 https://www.congress.gov/117/plaws/publ103/PLAW-117publ103.pdf 2023 OSTP Geoengineering Report https://www.whitehouse.gov/wp-content/uploads/2023/06/Congressionally-Mandated-Report-on-Solar-Radiation-Modification.pdf
2024-05-0741 min
Law and ChaosEp 26 — Joe Biden Loves Ice Cream And … Weed?Liz and Andrew Torrez catch up with Trump's election lawyers. Where are they now, and why isn't it the hoosegow? Then a deep dive into the Biden administration's plan to reschedule marijuana. But first, Donald Trump has nothing but contempt for this court! Links: Trump Contempt Order https://www.nycourts.gov/LegacyPDFS/press/PDFs/D.O.motion4contempt-FINAL.pdf Eastman Disciplinary Order https://discipline.calbar.ca.gov/portal/DocumentViewer/Index/UTKQ_Y63MDG4l4uhXSVCPqiU-at38jxNGUYub4sJpbGYEMPf_DmMRzCZgpvdUiQob9K9TKikC0XkAwVvafs3DPj9GHLcAlR9sE7K...
2024-05-0342 min
Law and ChaosEp 25 — Another Set Of Fake Electors Reaches The Find Out (Feat. Tom Ryan)Liz sits down with Arizona trial lawyer Tom Ryan to discuss last week's indictment of fake electors by Arizona Attorney General Kris Mayes. It's indictment-thirty for Boris Epshteyn and Christina Bobb! Links: Gag Order https://www.justsecurity.org/wp-content/uploads/2024/03/JustSecurityNY2016ElectionInterferenceCaseClearinghouse%E2%80%94Order-granting-State-of-New-York-motion-to-restrict-Trump-extrajudicial-statements-March-26-2024.pdf Indictment https://www.azag.gov/sites/default/files/2024-04/Indictment%20Redacted.pdf DM Cantor on Class 2 felonies in AZ https://dmcantor.com/class-2-felony-in-arizona# AZ Central story https://www.azcentral.com/story/news/pol...
2024-04-3052 min
Law and ChaosEp 24 — SCOTUS Beclowns Itself For Trump (Feat. Andrew Torrez)Liz talks to podcaster Andrew Torrez about Trump's Manhattan prosecution and the debacle at the Supreme Court Thursday when Trump made his magical, perpetual, presidential immunity argument. Links: Arizona v. Ward — Indictment https://www.azag.gov/sites/default/files/2024-04/Indictment.pdf People v. Trump — Transcripts https://pdfs.nycourts.gov/PeopleVs.DTrump-71543/transcripts/ People v. Trump — Evidence https://pdfs.nycourts.gov/PeopleVs.DTrump-71543/Evidence/ Trump v. US — SCOTUS Docket https://www.supremecourt.gov/search.aspx?filename=/docket/docketfiles/html/public/23-939...
2024-04-261h 04
Law and ChaosEp 23 — LFG: Trump On TrialTrump's first criminal trial gets underway in Manhattan, even as he fights to get the court to accept his hinky bond in the civil fraud case. Links: NYAG Opposition to Trump/Knight Surety Bond https://iapps.courts.state.ny.us/nyscef/ViewDocument?docIndex=E/oR7WnxPeT2tSnZpOGlBA== Trump Civil Trial NY, Selected Docs at Just Security https://www.justsecurity.org/89120/clearinghouse-new-york-attorney-general-corporate-fraud-case/ Trump False Business Records Case, Selected Docs at Just Security https://www.justsecurity.org/89089/clearinghouse-2016-election-interference-case-manhattan-district-attorney/
2024-04-2329 min
Law and ChaosEp 22 — Hunter Biden And The Lies They Wish Were True (Feat. Marcy Wheeler)Hey guys, it's Liz Dye, and we've got some big, exciting changes coming your way next week. It's all still in process, but I can tell you now that we'll be shifting our podcast drops from Monday/Friday to Tuesday/Friday and ramping up the written content, as well. So, heads up, the next show will be in your feed Tuesday, not Monday. But today, I'm so excited to talk to a personal hero of mine, Marcy Wheeler. This woman is relentless! If you want to understand what's going on with the Biden prosecution, you...
2024-04-191h 09Law and ChaosEp 21 — It's A Trump Corruptionpalooza (Feat. Zach Everson)On the eve of Trump's first criminal trial, Liz sits down with Forbes reporter Zach Everson for a trip down memory lane, recounting the breathtaking corruption of Trump's first term. Plus, Texas AG Ken Paxton loses a round in DC against Media Matters. Links: Zach Everson's Substack on the Trump Hotel https://www.1100pennsylvania.com/ How a Nigerian Presidential Candidate Hired a Trump Lobbyist and Ended Up in Trump's Lobby https://www.wnycstudios.org/podcasts/trumpinc/episodes/trump-inc-nigerian-presidential-candidate-hired-trump-lobbyist-trumps-lobby Previously Obscure Attorney Lands Big Payday Representing Tru...
2024-04-1546 min
Law and ChaosEp 20 — Fifth Circuit WTF? (Feat Chris Geidner)Liz talks to journalist Chris Geidner about the lawless Fifth Circuit, which is now snatching cases back from other Circuits — and even from their own District Courts — in a mad rush to stop the Biden administration from protecting workers and consumers. Links: https://www.lawdork.com/ The Fifth Circuit's lawlessness is now spreading from California to D.C. https://www.lawdork.com/p/fifth-circuit-venue-nlrb-spacex-cfpb-chamber Chamber of Commerce v. CFPB (Fifth Circuit Docket via Court Listener) https://www.courtlistener.com/docket/68371345/chamber-of-commerce-v-cfpb/ Chamber of Commerc...
2024-04-1245 min
Law and ChaosEp 19 — All The Trump That's Fit To Print (Feat. Anna Bower)This weekend Donald Trump compared himself to Nelson Mandela. Liz talks with Lawfare's Anna Bower, who lives out of a suitcase covering the Trump trials beat, to see if she agrees. Plus, WTF is going on with Trump's bond in the New York civil fraud trial? Links: Trump's Lawyers Told the Court That No One Would Give Him a Bond. Then He Got a Lifeline, but They Didn't Tell the Judges. https://www.propublica.org/article/trump-bond-disclosure-appeals-court-hankey Businessman behind Trump's NY bond says he charged him...
2024-04-081h 09
Law and ChaosEp 18 — The Chief Justice That Caught The Car (Feat. Mike Sacks)Liz talks to veteran legal journalist Mike Sacks about the Supreme Court and the decades-old plan to enshrine minority rule into law. How did the Chief Justice wind up frantically tapping the brakes as his own conservative colleagues are going pedal to the metal? And WTF is going on with Judge Cannon in the Trump docs case? Links: US v. Trump [SDFL Docket via Court Listener] https://www.courtlistener.com/docket/67490069/united-states-v-trump/ Special Counsel Threatens To Go To 11th Circuit, Reminds Judge Cannon What Happened The Last Tim...
2024-04-051h 12
Law and ChaosEp 17 — SCOTUS Looks Ready To Terminate Mifepristone Case (Feat. Susan Rinkunas)Have anti-choice astroturf groups gone too far? Will SCOTUS save medication abortion from the loons at the Fifth Circuit? Liz discusses the arguments in FDA v. Alliance for Hippocratic Medicine with reproductive rights reporter Susan Rinkunas. Links: FDA v. Alliance Hippocratic Medicine, Transcript and Audio of Oral Arguments https://www.supremecourt.gov/oral_arguments/audio/2023/23-235 The 'WTF Is Happening' Guide to the Supreme Court Abortion Pill Case, by Susan Rinkunas https://www.jezebel.com/the-wtf-is-happening-guide-to-the-supreme-court-abortion-pill-case How Hobby Lobby Could Be Trump's Reproductive Rights Wrecking Bal...
2024-04-0152 min
Law and ChaosEp 16 — Can You Weirdos Knock It Off With the TikTok Bans! (Feat. Corbin Barthold)States are banning it, employers are blocking it, and now the US government is trying to steal it. What's with all the noise around TikTok? TechFreedom's Corbin Barthold explains why politicians need to take several giant steps back and stop trying to tell kids how to do the internet. Links: A Breakdown of the Bizarre Factions Fighting Over the TikTok Ban Bill, by Corbin Barthold https://plus.thebulwark.com/p/tiktok-ban-bizarre-factions-strange-bedfellows H.R.7521 - Protecting Americans from Foreign Adversary Controlled Applications Act https://www.congress.gov...
2024-03-291h 05
Law and ChaosEp 15: Trials And Judgements And Bonds, Oh, My! (Feat. Mitchell Epner)Liz discusses all the Trump civil and criminal trials with New York litigator Mitchell Epner. Will Trump be able to pay that $454 million bond with the proceeds from taking Truth Social public? We'll break it down. Links: Carroll v. Trump (I) [Docket via Court Listener] https://www.courtlistener.com/docket/18418220/carroll-v-trump/ Carroll v. Trump (I) — Denial of Rule 59 Motion https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.nysd.590045/gov.uscourts.nysd.590045.212.0_1.pdf US v. Trump [SDFL Docket via Court Listener] h...
2024-03-251h 17
Law and ChaosEp 14 — Our Ethics-Optional Supreme Court (Feat. Gabe Roth)Recent revelations have shone a spotlight on the Supreme Court's broken ethics rules, and boy are the justices mad about it. We talk to Gabe Roth, executive director of Fix the Court about the problem and what to do about it. But first, a breakdown of Trump's appeal of Judge McAfee's denial of the motion to disqualify DA Fani Willis in Georgia. Links: Fix the Court https://fixthecourt.com/ O.C.G.A. § 5-6-34 https://law.justia.com/codes/georgia/2020/title-5/chapter-6/artic...
2024-03-221h 05
Law and ChaosEp 13 – What a Difference Fair Maps Make (Feat. Jamie Lynn Crofts)Liz talks to voting rights expert Jamie Lynn Crofts about the court order which forced Republicans in Wisconsin to surrender their stranglehold gerrymander. How will fair maps affect the Badger State? And what lessons can we learn for the country as a whole? Links: All Voting Is Local https://allvotingislocal.org/ Clarke v. Wisconsin Election Commission, OPINION https://www.wicourts.gov/sc/opinion/DisplayDocument.pdf?content=pdf&seqNo=745249 US v. Trump [SDFL Docket via Court Listener] https://www.co...
2024-03-1858 min
Law and ChaosEp 12 - Trump's First Trial (Feat. Diana Florence)Liz talks to Diana Florence, a litigator in New York who spent 24 years in the Manhattan District Attorney's Office. They break down the upcoming Trump trial for creating false business records as part of the scheme to disguise the Stormy Daniels hush money payment as legal fees. What should you expect in the first Trump criminal trial? Tune in for a former NY prosecutor's take! Links: Trump Notice Regarding Advice of Counsel Defense https://www.justsecurity.org/wp-content/uploads/2024/03/Just-Security-NY-2016-Election-Interference-Trump-Clearinghouse-%E2%80%94-Trump-notice-concerning-his-intent-to-rely-on-an-advice-of-counsel-defense-March-11-2024.pdf Trum...
2024-03-151h 01Law and ChaosEp 11 - Why Are Arizona Republicans So Weird? (Feat. Tom Ryan)Liz talks to Arizona litigator Tom Ryan about how his state's GOP learned to stop worrying and love the loon. We'll cover all Kari Lake's litigation — she's having no luck as a plaintiff, and even less as a defendant. And we'll talk about what's next for Democrats and Republicans in the Grand Canyon State. Links: Richer v. Lake Complaint https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/23858088-richer-v-lake Petersen v. Fontes Case Docs (via Democracy Docket) https://www.democracydocket.com/cases/arizona-2023-election-procedures-manual-challenge/ US v. Trump (SDFL Docket via...
2024-03-111h 00Law and ChaosEp 10 - Ken Paxton: A Cartoon Villain Finally Goes To Trial (Feat. Dan Solomon)On the eve of Ken Paxton's trial for securities fraud — a mere nine years after he got indicted — Liz talks to Texas Monthly reporter Dan Solomon about the state's embattled Attorney General. How much worse has he gotten since surviving impeachment? Will he play a role in a future Trump administration? And is this literally hell we are living in now? Links: Carroll Bond Ruling https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.nysd.543790/gov.uscourts.nysd.543790.315.0.pdf Ken Paxton Argues That Ken Paxton Has Violated Ken Paxton's Right to a Spee...
2024-03-0858 minLaw and ChaosEp 9 - Will SCOTUS Avenge Trump By Breaking Social Media? (Feat. Corbin Barthold)Should the government be able to order social media platforms to host political speech? Does the First Amendment even exist any more? And do we really have to side with Justice Kavanaugh on this one? Liz talks to TechFreedom's Corbin Barthold about the Netchoice cases. Links: Tech Policy Podcast https://podcast.techfreedom.org/ Moody v. Netchoice (Texas Docket) https://www.supremecourt.gov/search.aspx?filename=/docket/docketfiles/html/public/22-555.html Moody v. Netchoice (Florida Docket) https://www.supremecourt.gov/search.aspx?filename=/docket...
2024-03-041h 01Law and ChaosEp 8 - Donald Trump: Document Thief In Chief (Feat. Kel McClanahan)Liz talks to national security law expert Kel McClanahan about the Trump documents case in Florida and how he could use classified materials to derail the trial until after the election. Links: SCOTUS Order Granting Cert on Trump Immunity Claim https://www.supremecourt.gov/orders/courtorders/022824zr3_febh.pdf US v. Trump [SDFL Docket via Court Listener] https://www.courtlistener.com/docket/67490070/united-states-v-trump/ Classified Information Procedures Act https://uscode.house.gov/view.xhtml?path=/prelim@title18/title18a/node16&edition=prelim ...
2024-03-011h 05Law and ChaosEp 7 - Alabama Courts Protect Life By Outlawing IVF (Feat. Ellen Trachman)Liz talks to repro law expert Ellen Trachman, host of the podcast "I Want to Put a Baby in You" about the recent Alabama decision which functionally outlaws in vitro fertilization. Is this the beginning of a trend, or will Republicans course correct out of fear of the wrath of women voters? Links: Ellen Trachman at Above the Law https://abovethelaw.com/author/ellentrachman/ The "I Want to Put a Baby In You" Podcast https://iwanttoputababyinyou.com/ Alabama IVF ruling https://publicportal-api.alappeals.g...
2024-02-2651 minLaw and ChaosEp 6 - First The Proud Boys, Then Trump (Feat. Brandi Buchman)Liz talks to reporter Brandi Buchman about the prosecutions of the Proud Boys and the Oath Keepers for seditious conspiracy and how those prosecutions paved the way for Trump's election interference case. Links: In Re: Lindell Management LLC Litigation [Docket via Court Listener] https://www.courtlistener.com/docket/67410449/in-re-lindell-management-llc-litigation/ Brandi Buchman at Law and Crime https://lawandcrime.com/author/brandi-buchman/ US v. Trump [District DC Docket via Court Listener] https://www.courtlistener.com/docket/67891889/united-states-v-donald-trump/ US v. Trump [SDFL Docket via Cou...
2024-02-2348 minLaw and ChaosEp 5 - The Trump Verdicts: Half a Billion Dollars of Winning (Feat. Jose Pagliery)Liz talks to Daily Beast reporter Jose Pagliery about the $355 million verdict that's really a $450 million verdict in Trump's civil fraud trial. Plus the Carroll defamation suits, and the upcoming criminal trial in March for falsifying records to cover up the Stormy Daniels payoff. And … the state of American democracy! Justice Engoron Holding https://eddsa.blob.core.usgovcloudapi.net/public/452564_2022_PEOPLE_OF_THE_STATE_OF_v_PEOPLE_OF_THE_STATE_OF_DECISION_AFTER_TRIAL_1688.pdf Justice Merchan Holding https://www.nycourts.gov/LegacyPDFS/press/PDFs/People-v-DonaldTrump2-15-24Decision.pdf ...
2024-02-1957 minLaw and ChaosEp 4 - Trump At SCOTUS: The Insurrectionist Gets His Day In Court (Feat. Eric Segall)With Trump's ballot disqualification on the docket, all eyes were on SCOTUS last week. Liz talks about the argument at the Supreme Court with guest Eric Segall, and lays out the various off-ramps the justices might take to keep a criminal insurrectionist on the ballot this November. "Originalism as Faith" by Eric Segall https://www.amazon.com/Originalism-as-Faith-Eric-Segall/dp/1316640469 "Supreme Myths: Why the Supreme Court Is Not a Court and Its Justices Are Not Judges" by Eric Segall https://www.amazon.com/Supreme-Myths-Court-Justices-Judges-ebook/dp/B0C775Z6CP?ref_=ast_author_m...
2024-02-1252 minLaw and ChaosEp 3 - How to NOT Piss Off a JuryLiz talks to a jury consultant about the Trump trials. US v. Trump [SDFL Docket] https://www.courtlistener.com/docket/67490070/united-states-v-trump/?filed_after=&filed_before=&entry_gte=&entry_lte=&order_by=desc US v. Trump [DC District Docket] https://www.courtlistener.com/docket/67656604/united-states-v-trump/?filed_after=&filed_before=&entry_gte=&entry_lte=&order_by=desc US v. Trump [DC Circuit Docket] https://www.courtlistener.com/docket/68073028/united-states-v-donald-trump/ Trump v. Anderson [SCOTUS Docket] https://www.supremecourt.gov/sea...
2024-02-0554 minLaw and ChaosEp 2 - The Trump GA RICO Debacle: How Bad Is It? (feat. Andrew Fleischman)After allegations that Fulton County District Attorney Fani Willis is romantically involved with the special prosecutor hired by her office, the sharks are circling both legally and politically. Is this case totally boned? Liz asks Georgia defense attorney Andrew Fleischman what's next in this crucial election interference case. Show Links: Fulton County Docket: State of Georgia v. Donald J. Trump https://www.fultonclerk.org/DocumentCenter/Index/142 What Fani Willis Got Wrong in Her Trump Indictment, by Andrew Fleischman https://www.nytimes.com/2023/08/29/opinion/fani...
2024-02-0148 minLaw and ChaosEp 1 - E. Jean Carroll Grabs Trump By The Wallet (feat. Mitchell Epner)Description: Liz hosts former federal prosecutor Mitchell Epner to discuss last week's massive $83 million damage award in the second E. Jean Carroll defamation case. What happens when he appeals? Was it smart for Trump to testify? And WTF is up with his lawyers? Show links: Carroll v. Trump I [District Court Docket via Court Listener] Carroll v. Trump II [District Court Docket via Court Listener] Carroll v. Trump II [Circuit Court Docket via Court Listener] Links: https://www.lawandchaospod.com/ BlueSky: @Law...
2024-01-2957 minLaw and Chaos0 - Introduction to Law & Chaos by Liz DyeIgnorance of the law is no excuse! That's true for a traffic stop, and it's true if you want to participate in whatever's left of American democracy. If the events since the 2016 election taught us anything, it's that tuning out is not an option. Legal journalist Liz Dye breaks down the week's most important courtroom stories, so you can keep on top of this crazy news cycle.
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