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Property Talk from Louise's Lounge
Episode 38 - The Hidden Property Market Differences Between Dubai & Abu Dhabi
What’s the real difference in buying, renting, or selling property in Dubai vs. Abu Dhabi?In this episode of Property Talk from Louise’s Lounge, Andrew Covill, Director of Henry Wiltshire International, unpacks the hidden differences between the UAE’s two biggest real estate markets - from regulatory rules to buyer behavior, rental trends, and how brokerages actually operate on the ground.Andrew breaks down how Abu Dhabi’s property scene has evolved in the past three years, why areas like Reem Island and Saadiyat are heating up, and what...
2025-05-21
42 min
Property Talk from Louise's Lounge
Episode 37 - Renovation Mistakes That Will DESTROY Your Investment in Dubai
Join us for an insightful conversation with Barry Lee Cummings and David Cook, co-founders of Contractors Direct, as they reveal the secrets to successful property renovations in Dubai and how homeowners can avoid costly mistakes.In this episode, Barry and David dive into the biggest pitfalls property owners face when renovating, from underestimating budgets to hiring the wrong contractors. They discuss how poor planning, hidden costs, and legal hurdles can derail projects—and share expert strategies to maximize your investment while staying on time and budget.This episode breaks do...
2025-03-26
43 min
Property Talk from Louise's Lounge
Episode 36 - Why Dubai Developers Are Betting Big on Sustainability
Join us for an insightful conversation with Elio Badr, Sales Director at QUBE, as he takes us on his journey from luxury real estate to spearheading sustainable developments in Dubai.In this episode, Elio dives into QUBE’s vision for eco-friendly living, the growing demand for green communities, and how sustainability is driving higher ROI for investors. He also shares the unique features of Arisha Terraces, a development blending innovation, modern design, and environmental consciousness.This episode breaks down how sustainability is reshaping Dubai's real estate market, from driving investor interest to meeting the global de...
2025-01-23
24 min
Property Talk from Louise's Lounge
Episode 35 - How To Build Wealth in Real Estate as a Female Investor
Join us for a conversation with Natasha Hatherall, founder and CEO of TishTash Communications, and Kelly Lundberg, bestselling author and award-winning entrepreneur, as they share their journey in Dubai's real estate market. In this episode, Natasha and Kelly discuss their approach to property investment, their decision to invest as friends, and how they're creating a new path for women in real estate.This episode breaks down how to build financial independence through real estate investing. Specifically debunking misconceptions about buying property in Dubai, and how to build wealth for women. Natasha and Kelly...
2024-11-21
30 min
Property Talk from Louise's Lounge
Episode 34 - 2024 Dubai Real Estate: Key Trends and Market Insights
Introducing Episode 34: Dubai Property Market Update: Insights & TrendsExclusive Links Podcast, Property Talk from Louise’s Lounge, is dedicated to keeping our audience informed about the latest market trends, sharing expert insights, and hosting engaging conversations with industry leaders.We are excited to announce that Episode 34 of Property Talk from Louise's Lounge is now live! This episode promises to be one of our most informative yet, featuring a key figure in Dubai's real estate market.Meet Our Guest: Zhann Jochinke, COO of Property MonitorZhann Jochinke is th...
2024-09-25
36 min
Property Talk from Louise's Lounge
Episode 33 - Golden Opportunities: Your Guide to Dubai’s Golden Visa
Exclusive Links Podcast, Property Talk from Louise’s Lounge, is all about keeping our audience in touch with current topics, sharing relevant and accurate information, and introducing interesting guests and industry professionals.We are excited to announce that Episode 33 of Property Talk from Louise's Lounge is now live! This episode promises to be one of our most insightful and valuable yet, featuring an esteemed guest who is a cornerstone of Dubai’s business community.Meet Our Guest: Neil Petch, Founder & Chairman of VirtugroupNeil Petch is one of t...
2024-07-24
37 min
Property Talk from Louise's Lounge
Episode 32 - Finding Your Place in Dubai’s Mortgage Market
Exclusive Links Podcast, Property Talk from Louise’s Lounge, is all about keeping our audience in touch with current topics, sharing relevant and accurate information, and introducing interesting guests and industry professionals.We are excited to introduce our guest for this episode, Ronan Lynch, CEO of Mortgage Solutions. With over 16 years of experience in finance and real estate, Ronan brings a wealth of knowledge to our discussion. He started his career in the UK and moved to Dubai in 2008 to join Mondial, specializing in financial planning and wealth management. Ronan holds qualifications from th...
2024-05-22
51 min
Property Talk from Louise's Lounge
Episode 31 - Scale Up Your Real Estate Portfolio Through the Stock Market
Exclusive Links Podcast, Property Talk from Louise’s Lounge, is all about keeping our audience in touch with current topics, sharing relevant and accurate information and introducing interesting guests and industry professionals. Joining host Louise Heatley on Episode 31 of Property Talk from Louise’s Lounge is none other than Dr. Sohaib Shahid, Founder of Bespoke Options Academy. With a PhD in economics and over a decade of experience in finance and real estate investments, Dr. Shahid brings unparalleled expertise to this episode. From his tenure at the IMF and World Bank to features in top media outlets like t...
2024-03-20
27 min
Property Talk from Louise's Lounge
Episode 30 - Exclusive Links Unveiled: A Winning 2023 and Bold 2024 Vision
Step into the world of Exclusive Links with the dynamic duo Louise and Zarah, as they celebrate their 2023 triumph at the Property Finder Awards and set the stage for an exciting Dubai property market in 2024. In this episode, explore the foundation of their winning concept, uncover their strengths and weaknesses, and gain insights into the challenges and highlights of the Dubai real estate market in 2023. Discover their ambitious plans for 2024 and tap into their valuable learning curves
2024-01-19
37 min
Property Talk from Louise's Lounge
Episode 29 - Elevating and Educating the Dubai Real Estate Industry
Exclusive Links Podcast, Property Talk from Louise’s Lounge, is all about keeping our audience in touch with current topics, sharing relevant and accurate information and introducing interesting guests and industry professionals. Today we go live with Episode 29 of our Podcast “Elevating and Educating the Dubai Real Estate Industry.” Louise is delighted to be joined by guest Silvia Eldawi - an esteemed professional in the real estate industry since 2002 and founder of PROPOLOGI. Silvia is no stranger to podcasting as she also hosts her weekly podcast called ‘Golden Nuggets with Silvia Eldawi.’ Silvia is striving for better agents and a...
2023-11-21
51 min
Property Talk from Louise's Lounge
Episode 28 - Navigating the Property Sales Progression Maze
Exclusive Links Podcast, Property Talk from Louise’s Lounge, is all about keeping our audience in touch with current topics, sharing relevant and accurate information and introducing interesting guests and industry professionals. Today we go live with Episode 28 of our Podcast “Navigating the Property Sales Progression Maze” where host Louise Heatley is joined by two of her managers, Michael Cullen and Saleh Maktabi. With 13 years in the industry, Michael has been with Exclusive Links for the past 5 years and holds a key management role within the company and is vital to the continued success of our retail property...
2023-09-26
26 min
Property Talk from Louise's Lounge
Episode 27 - Communities, Comparisons & Contradictions
Exclusive Links Podcast, Property Talk from Louise’s Lounge, is all about keeping our audience in touch with current topics, sharing relevant and accurate information and introducing interesting guests and industry professionals. Today we go live with Episode 27 of our Podcast “Communities, Comparisons & Contradictions” and Louise is honored to have return to our podcast for a third time Zhann Jochinke. Zhann had previous international real estate experience in New York before taking his career to the next level as CEO of Keller Williams Dubai & Middle East. He then transitioned out of the brokerage side of the Real Estate in...
2023-07-27
31 min
Property Talk from Louise's Lounge
Episode 26 - Mentoring Female Leaders in Real Estate
Exclusive Links Podcast, Property Talk from Louise’s Lounge, is all about keeping our audience in touch with current topics, sharing relevant and accurate information and introducing interesting guests and industry professionals. Exclusive Links has always worked closely with the regions leading property portal Property Finder and through the years we have supported their vision of a better industry. At the end of 2022, owners of Exclusive Links Louise Heatley and Zarah Evans took home a win in the Women in Leadership category at the Property Finder Awards. Therefore it comes as no surprise, that Louise was asked by Se...
2023-05-26
22 min
Property Talk from Louise's Lounge
Episode 25 - Long Term V Short Term
Exclusive Links Podcast, Property Talk from Louise’s Lounge, is all about keeping our audience in touch with current topics, sharing relevant and accurate information and introducing interesting guests and industry professionals. Exclusive Links has maintained its position as a leading property management company helping owners with long term rental services now since 2005 and last year we made the conscious decision to open a new division under the company umbrella – Exclusive Links Vacation Homes. This was not only to respond to the increasing number of tourists choosing Dubai as their destination but also to provide...
2023-03-27
34 min
Property Talk from Louise's Lounge
Episode 24 - Past, Present and Future of Cryptocurrency
Exclusive Links Podcast, Property Talk from Louise’s Lounge, is all about keeping our audience in touch with current topics, sharing relevant and accurate information and introducing interesting guests and industry professionals. Today we go live with Episode 24 of our Podcast “Past, Present and Future of Cryptocurrency” where Louise is joined by Jonathan Wood, Chief Commercial Officer at HAYVN. Jonathan leads a team of Private Bankers who manage overall revenue strategy, client experience and support ecosystem. He has worked in mergers and acquisitions banking at Rothschild and later joined MEX Digital owned by MultiBank as Director of Sales. As a new prefer...
2023-01-27
37 min
Property Talk from Louise's Lounge
Episode 23 - Exclusive Links Wraps Up 2022 for Xmas
Exclusive Links Podcast, Property Talk from Louise’s Lounge, is all about keeping our audience in touch with current topics and introducing you to voices of experience regarding Dubai and especially the property market. Episode 23 is no different as we record in full festive swing from our two office locations in Dubai Marina and Motor City. “Exclusive Links Wraps Up 2022 for Xmas” allows our audience an opportunity to meet some more members of the Exclusive Links team and although this episode is not about Louise - our super host does make an appearance at the end as she is joine...
2022-12-20
33 min
Property Talk from Louise's Lounge
Episode 22 - The High End of Luxury
Exclusive Links Podcast, Property Talk from Louise’s Lounge, is all about keeping our audience in touch with current topics, sharing relevant and accurate information and introducing interesting guests and industry professionals. Today we go live with Episode 22 of our Podcast “The High End of Luxury” where Louise is joined by our very own Pauline Leale and another voice of experience Jerry Parks. Pauline, who heads up The Elite Collection, Exclusive Links luxury brand, needs little introduction in the industry. As a previous owner of a very successful real estate business here in Dubai and supported by more than 20 yea...
2022-11-21
21 min
Property Talk from Louise's Lounge
Episode 21 - Dubai Expats Buying Overseas
Exclusive Links Podcast- Property Talk from Louise’s Lounge is all about keeping our audience in touch with current topics, sharing relevant and accurate information and introducing interesting guests and industry professionals. Today we bring to you Episode 21 of our Podcast “Dubai Expats Buying Overseas” with guest Matthew Wilkes, a Senior Consultant at IP Global. Matthew has been in Dubai for the last 12 years and worked in the property sector, specializing in the UK and European markets for the last 10 years. He has been with IP Global since 2020 working with investors in the GCC who are looking to build th...
2022-10-21
29 min
Property Talk from Louise's Lounge
Episode 20 - Buyers Beware
Exclusive Links Podcast- Property Talk from Louise’s Lounge is all about keeping our audience in touch with current topics, sharing relevant and accurate information and introducing interesting guests and industry professionals. Today we bring to you Episode 20 of our Podcast “Buyers Beware” and who else better to protect our buyers than Cynthia Trench, Principal of Legal Consultants, Trench & Associates DMCC. Arriving in Dubai in 1989 from Hong Kong, Cynthia is a respected member and authority in the Dubai professional community. She specialises in corporate, property and private client law. Cynthia obtained her licence on 10 February 1996 from the Rulers Office of...
2022-09-16
26 min
Property Talk from Louise's Lounge
Episode 19 - Snagging and Inspections
Exclusive Links Podcast- Property Talk from Louise’s Lounge is all about keeping our audience in touch with current topics, sharing relevant and accurate information and introducing interesting guests and industry professionals. Today we bring to you Episode 19 of our Podcast “Snagging and Inspections.” Joining Louise on the couch is Ehab Farid, CEO of GTA Inspectors, a RERA-certified snagging company. GTA Inspectors are also proud members of the Association of Professional Engineers and the International Association of Certified Home Inspectors - both held in high regard as the most respected inspection associations in the world. Ehab brings to the podcas...
2022-08-19
41 min
Property Talk from Louise's Lounge
Episode 18 - H1 Analysis of the Dubai Market
Exclusive Links Podcast- Property Talk from Louise’s Lounge is all about keeping our audience in touch with current topics, sharing relevant and accurate information and introducing interesting guests and industry professionals. Today we bring to you Episode 18 of our Podcast “H1 Analysis of the Dubai Market.” Naturally host Louise Heatley asked the COO of Property Monitor, Zhann Jochinke to return, for a second time, as her guest. Zhann is a recognised voice in real estate data analytics and market intelligence and with a stack of experience behind him, this man dreams data and survives on stats and is a well...
2022-07-19
35 min
Property Talk from Louise's Lounge
Episode 17 - Clarification on Real Estate Laws & Regulations
Exclusive Links Podcast- Property Talk from Louise’s Lounge is all about keeping our audience in touch with current topics, sharing relevant and accurate information and introducing interesting guests and industry professionals. Today we bring to you Episode 17 of our Podcast “Clarification on Real Estate Laws & Regulations.” Host Louise Heatley is joined by Arash Zad, Founder and Lawyer at Zad Law Firm. Arash is from a diverse background and holds great fluency in English, Arabic, and Farsi and provides tailored services in an array of multiple fields with a primary focus on real estate law. Did you kn...
2022-06-20
23 min
Property Talk from Louise's Lounge
Episode 16 - Quality over Quantity
Exclusive Links Podcast- Property Talk from Louise’s Lounge is all about keeping our audience in touch with current topics, sharing relevant and accurate information and introducing interesting guests and industry professionals. Today we bring to you Episode 16 of our Podcast “Quality over Quantity.” Host Louise Heatley is joined by Adam Hassan, Quality Control and Compliance Manager at Property Finder and our very own, Exclusive Links Dubailand Branch Manager, Chris Valentine. Property Finder is an industry leader, innovator, trendsetter and a crossroads where all journeys start and meet. . Adam is responsible for a team whose pr...
2022-05-19
30 min
Property Talk from Louise's Lounge
Episode 15 - Where there’s a WILL, there’s a way
Exclusive Links Podcast- Property Talk from Louise’s Lounge is all about keeping our audience in touch with current topics, sharing of relevant and accurate information and introducing interesting guests and industry professionals. Today we bring to you Episode 15 of our Podcast “Where there’s a WILL, there’s a way.” Host Louise Heatley is joined by Nita Maru, a UK qualified solicitor and Founding/Managing Partner of TWS Legal Consultants DMCC and TWS Corporate Services DIFC.TWS is an established law firm offering services ranging from DIFC Wills, DIFC Foundations, Administration of Deceased Estates/ Probate, Matrimonial and Property ma...
2022-04-18
21 min
Property Talk from Louise's Lounge
Episode 14 - Celebrating International Women Living in Dubai
To commemorate International Women’s Day which we celebrated on 8th March - today Exclusive Links brings to you Episode 14 of our Podcast, Property Talk from Louise’s Lounge “International Women living in Dubai.” Host Louise Heatley is joined by two lovely ladies who are an inspiring celebration of strong successful women living in Dubai, Tricia Evans and Zahra Abdalla. Tricia moved to Dubai 28 years where she became the first Business Coach in the region. She self financed and single handedly raised her daughter as a working mom, has been a board and active member of Gulf for Good for...
2022-03-18
43 min
Property Talk from Louise's Lounge
Episode 13 - Spotlight on Owners Associations
Today Exclusive Links brings to you Episode 13 of our Podcast, Property Talk from Louise’s Lounge “Spotlight on Owners Associations.” This episode is hosted by Exclusive Links Property Managers Paul Birley and Sarah Watmore. Their roles within the company are to head up our Property Management Division and to look after owners and their properties. Therefore it is very appropriate that they are joined by guests Jeff Dickinson and Mark Maynard from Kingfield Owners Association Management Services. Jeff has been with Kingfield for 9 years and as Head of Site Operations, his prime responsibility is to oversee the day to day...
2022-02-18
33 min
Property Talk from Louise's Lounge
Episode 12 - Living the Dream
Today Exclusive Links brings to you Episode 12 of our Podcast, Property Talk from Louise’s Lounge and our first topic for 2022 “Living the Dream.” Louise was joined by personalities and entrepreneurs Mike Phillips and Jane Witherspoon. All friends, this episode is a relaxed chat about WHY DUBAI and the opportunities that are available in this great city. Mike is a retired former Wales, British & Irish Lions Rugby player and Jane is an International Presenter, Journalist, Moderator & Host. Louise chats with them about what brought them to Dubai, the advantages they enjoy about living here and how they have settled into fa...
2022-01-20
24 min
Property Talk from Louise's Lounge
Episode 11 - Christmas Episode 2021 - The Year that Was
Today Exclusive Links brings to you Episode 11 of our Podcast, Property Talk from Louise’s Lounge along with a little end of year cheer from the team titled Christmas Episode 2021 - The Year that Was. Louise was joined by co-owner and Exclusive Links Managing Partner Zarah Evans, who was in Dubai spending some quality time with the team and planning for an exciting year ahead. Together the ladies casually chatted with members of the sales and leasing teams about all things property, giving the staff an opportunity to get involved and share some festive spirit in true Exclusive Links st...
2021-12-16
32 min
Property Talk from Louise's Lounge
Episode 10 - BRAND AMBASSADORS - Committed to a Community
Today Exclusive Links brings to you Episode 9 of our Podcast, Property Talk from Louise’s Lounge. This month’s episode will be hosted by Managing Partner of Exclusive Links, Zarah Evans, over zoom from her home in Scotland. Zarah is joined by Associate Director of IFX Dubai, Sarah Duthie and together the ladies chat about “The IFX Factor - International Currency Exchange.” Sarah has a Financial & Mortgage background in the UK of 10 years and over 13 years in the UAE in similar industries. IFX has been a long term preferred partner of Exclusive Links looking after many of our customers Foreign Exc...
2021-11-18
27 min
Property Talk from Louise's Lounge
Episode 9 - The IFX FACTOR - International Currency Exchange
Today Exclusive Links brings to you Episode 9 of our Podcast, Property Talk from Louise’s Lounge. This month’s episode will be hosted by Managing Partner of Exclusive Links, Zarah Evans, over zoom from her home in Scotland. Zarah is joined by Associate Director of IFX Dubai, Sarah Duthie and together the ladies chat about “The IFX Factor - International Currency Exchange.” Sarah has a Financial & Mortgage background in the UK of 10 years and over 13 years in the UAE in similar industries. IFX has been a long term preferred partner of Exclusive Links looking after many of our customers Foreign Exc...
2021-10-21
20 min
Property Talk from Louise's Lounge
Episode 8 - The Differences between Abu Dhabi & Dubai Property Markets.
Today Exclusive Links brings to you Episode 8 of our Podcast, Property Talk from Louise’s Lounge. Tune into our Podcast Page and join host Louise Heatley as she chats with our guests from Henry Wiltshire International, Andrew Covill and Jessica Gane on “The Differences between Abu Dhabi & Dubai Property Markets.” Henry Wiltshire International was set up by Owner & Director Andrew Covill back in 2014 on the back end of their other worldwide Henry Wilshire International offices. Not only are they established as a leading award-winning brokerage in Abu Dhabi but they offer an International Sales Network with a local dimension. In 2017...
2021-09-21
25 min
Property Talk from Louise's Lounge
Episode 7 - Mortgage Mania – What you need to know about lending in the UAE.
Today Exclusive Links goes live with Episode 7 of our Podcast, Property Talk from Louise’s Lounge. Tune into our Podcast Page and join host Louise Heatley as she chats with Mortgage Finder’s Director Warren Philliskirk and Senior Mortgage Consultant, Jeffrey De Souza. Mortgage Finder is Dubai’s leading Mortgage Broker and with a team of 20+ mortgage specialists with extensive knowledge of the entire home loan market and the UAE property transaction process, they will impartially assess each client’s unique circumstances and give an overview of all options available in the market. Warren has more than 20 years of internatio...
2021-08-19
18 min
Property Talk from Louise's Lounge
Episode 6 - Part 2: Positive Price Movement and H1 2021 Overview
At the beginning of this week, we brought you Part 1 Episode 6 of our Podcast, Property Talk from Louise’s Lounge. Today we GO LIVE with Part 2 “Positive Price Movement and H1 2021 Overview”. Host Louise Heatley continues her chat with Chief Operating Officer of Property Monitor, Zhann Jochinke and our very own Dubai Marina Branch Manager, Michael Cullen. With a great foothold in the region, a passion for data and his IPAD open, Zhann explains how Property Monitor is processing, vetting and cleansing facts and figures making available data as granular as possible. As the region’s leading real estate intellig...
2021-07-22
19 min
Property Talk from Louise's Lounge
Episode 6 - Part 1: Listing, Buying & Selling in Today's Market
Please join us today as Exclusive Links goes live with Episode 5 of our Podcast, Property Talk from Louise’s Lounge. Tune into our Podcast Page and join host Louise Heatley as she chats with Tristen Lowe, owner and Director of Domain Conveyancing. Tristen is a well-respected name in his own right in the Dubai property market and he shares with us through this episode his wealth of knowledge including “What you need to know about buying property in Dubai”. Tristen explains the role that Domain Conveyancing plays as the non-biased party in a property transaction and why this...
2021-07-18
33 min
Property Talk from Louise's Lounge
Episode 5 - What you need to know about buying property in Dubai
Please join us today as Exclusive Links goes live with Episode 5 of our Podcast, Property Talk from Louise’s Lounge. Tune into our Podcast Page and join host Louise Heatley as she chats with Tristen Lowe, owner and Director of Domain Conveyancing. Tristen is a well-respected name in his own right in the Dubai property market and he shares with us through this episode his wealth of knowledge including “What you need to know about buying property in Dubai”.Tristen explains the role that Domain Conveyancing plays as the non-biased party in a property transaction and why this is imp...
2021-06-17
26 min
Property Talk from Louise's Lounge
Episode 4 - Ladies in Real Estate
Exclusive Links invite you to join us today for Episode 4 of our Podcast, Property Talk from Louise’s Lounge. Tune into our Podcast Page where host Louise Heatley will be joined on zoom from Scotland by co-owner and Managing Partner of Exclusive Links, Zarah Evans. Together they will chat about “Ladies in Real Estate” with two other well-respected and dynamic female realtors Alessia Sheglova, Director Dacha Real Estate, and Dounia Fadi, COO Berkshire Hathaway. Needing no introduction these leading ladies have all been recognised as Property Finder Female Entrepreneurs of the Year Together they discuss where they all started a...
2021-05-17
38 min
Property Talk from Louise's Lounge
Episode 3 - People Before Property
Exclusive Links invite you to join us today for Episode 3 of our Podcast, Property Talk from Louise’s Lounge. Tune into our Podcast Page to listen to host Louise Heatley together with Fintan Flannelly chat on the couch with our special guest Spencer Lodge about “People before Property”.Far from being ‘just a sales guy’ Sales Entrepreneur, Spencer Lodge, shares even more skills, stories and even some secretsTogether they discuss the evolution of selling but agree that the key factor has never changed; to connect and make people feel comfortableFintan built his personal brand based on the back end of Spe...
2021-04-18
33 min
Property Talk from Louise's Lounge
Episode 2 - Behind the Scenes of Property Management
In Episode 2 of our Podcast, Property Talk from Louise’s Lounge we have our host, Exclusive Links Managing Director Louise Healthy, joined by our two accredited and certified Property Managers, Paul Birley and Sarah Watmore. Together they discuss some of the stories they can share from Behind the Scenes of Property Management. Paul and Sarah have worked with Exclusive Links for 13 and 10 years respectively – looking after owners properties as if they were their own. They share tales of the aptly named Torch Tower - when over 200 of our managed units were affecting in some way or another by the fires th...
2021-03-17
20 min
Property Talk from Louise's Lounge
Episode 1 - Market Activity and Sentiment as we move into 2021.
In this first episode of our podcast Exclusive Links Managing Director Louise Healthy is joined by our Off Plan and Sales Manager, Fintan Flannelly and our Dubai Marina Branch Manager, Michael Cullen as they discuss the challenges and changes in the Dubai property market as we move into 2021. Buyers sentiment and comparisons of buying ready or off-plan properties and in apartment towers or villa communities. They cover where we are seeing buyer demand outstrip supply and where developers are needing to be very competitive on post-handover payment plans as they fight to retain their market share. Also touching on h...
2021-02-17
28 min