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Back2DifferentDavid Abel - The point of maximum fear is the point of minimum danger.Two very different and almost identical travelers, David Abel and I. We both explore and breathe curiosity. David is demonstrably ambitious, I more demonstrably gestalt. His childhood Dickensian, mine bourgeois, yet each gave birth to a hunger for experience and a reasonably ambiguous approach to normal.Signposts in our conversation turned us toward learning we couldn't hold back our own tides, being told we were 'very average,' and the insight we each felt when we realized we couldn't remember the 'last time I had heard my footsteps.'Competition, grace, breathing, and t...
2025-12-291h 12
Back2DifferentLauri Smith - Actors learn about intimacy in a room full of strangers.As Lauri Smith and I traveled together for about an hour, I watched in my mind's eye a slide show of my childhood. We both were fine playing alone, we loved acting out stories and episodes. Both introverts. Both shy. Both actors and performers. Both empathetic, sometimes awkwardly so. She told me about how she lost my way doing the good girl thing and how heavy the armor in front of my heart can become, at the end bringing these together around the quote attributed to Victor Frankl: "Between stimulus and response there is a sp...
2025-12-011h 03
Back2DifferentLaurie Gardner - Wildly CuriousLaurie Gardner and I share the dearth of a concept: career. We could be politely described as peripatetic, by others taken with sarcasm as short attention-spanned. Laurie has tended bar around the world, including competing and doing well in mixology competitions. He has been cabin crew for an airline, and even worked in the construction industry for starters. We cover money, 'too much truth,' being a contrarian (that's a librarian who breaks the rule of silence :), 'too nice,' psychological safety, the loss of a value-driven society, and the 6th creature.Please join us f...
2025-10-211h 13
Back2DifferentEyra and Mathieu - You were whole, you just forgot.Eyra and Mathieu collided with me in a conversation at The Friendship Bench. I have misplaced the topic, but not the experience. So I asked them to talk and listen for a bit and off we went - the quantum past, limiting beliefs, what sparks us, the soul is safe, eliminate the word 'better,' bags of sand, 'when (s)he's there, it's different'. And that was for starters. The two Nederlanders found each other, and found their focus, while letting go of the barriers and blockages that prevented them from accepting that 'everything is al...
2025-09-141h 15
Back2DifferentMichelle Caryn Paul - On the Rogue AgainSmoothly, professionally, I approach with "I really enjoyed your presentation on AI." Luckily, it's true, and Michelle gets that, so we had a great introduction, which led to lunch, a ping-pongy conversation, a friendship and this podcast. Wait until you hear about her foot and the subway door, her solo Odyssey in Asia, her lumpy bumpy road to her here and now.Michelle clarifies and illuminates each time she focuses on any idea. We are riding a tandem bike. But it's side-by-side, not front-and-back. Have a party with us, okay?Never know what's going to...
2025-06-291h 13
Back2DifferentHeather Hansen O'Neill - Of Course It's Non-Linear!"Doesn't work up to expectations" was inscribed repeatedly on my report card. Heather's too. She's danced professionally, I coincidentally, and we both love it. We talk about raising thinkers, loving what is whether we like it or not, discovering and working the shift that makes us feel better, and moments of humanity.A community of two, old friends rediscovered, two people finding themselves in the same lifeboat and figuring out how to row, though not identically, together, and, of course, realizing that of course it's non-linear.Join us.Please.Never know w...
2025-04-151h 03
Back2DifferentJenlyn UNBN - Curiosity Becomes Audacity"You may have to wait to talk, but you never have to wait to listen." Every back2different podcast starts with a 5-10 minute story - the guest's answer to "How did you get here?" That's all we need to move forward together. Just notice and connect.Jenlyn UNBN and I travel together for an hour and explore grieving, "the gray zone," our core selves, circumstance and experience, sexuality, kidnapping, EMS service, shamanism, and "I cannot give from an empty cup."Tag along for a bit and ride with as as curiosity becomes au...
2025-03-311h 07Back2DifferentSarah Elkins - "Land the plane, Sarah!"We had a wonderful journey together, Sarah and I, as we shared her blossoming, awakening, I guess, as an adult. As she says, "I found my voice at 40." A classically trained singer, she was invited to sing in a surf band her husband had started and suggested "I can't do rock and roll." Guess what happened next, right? Give us a listen, please, and find out why she was advised to "Land the plane, Sarah!"Never know what's going to show up when you click 'record'!
2025-03-061h 11
Back2DifferentAmy Gallie - Principals and PrinciplesI was never diagnosed with oppositional defiant disorder. Of course, the label didn't exist until 1980, so I simply received more than one report card that said, 'Seems to have difficulties following direction." As a lifelong teacher, I often clashed with the administration, who struck me as hidebound and beset by a "let's not make waves" perspective. My biases.Amy Gallie has been a school administrator for much of her life. She's smart, candid, fun and loves, loves, loves children. We talk about single-gender classrooms, failing forward, the gap between teaching and administering, having at least...
2025-01-071h 01
Back2DifferentVictor Acquista - Globs of EnergyI have always suspected that lots of planets lined up identically for Victor's and my births. We don't finish each other's sentences, but we do finish each other's paragraphs.Contemplatives, dogma, dynamism, solipsism, belief systems, impressions and projections, impersonation, human spirit progression (with a long gestation and difficult birth) gave us some things to talk about, and then we took a breath and forged ahead.Victor is a delight and a wonder, a gentle soul who shares with me the beckoning light of curiosity. Take a journey with a couple of Globs of Energy....
2024-12-031h 05
Back2DifferentGina Mazza - We're Not here to Be StagnantI met Gina Mazza during an online conversation about creativity. Took us a bit of back-and-forth to get to recording, and then a few delays to mix and load. With every minute.She's had a variegated career - something we share. We speak on God and the church, meaning and work, and the evidence for a major evolutionary shift in human kind's consciousness. Join us as we agree that we're not here to be stagnant.Never know what's going to show up when you click 'record'!
2024-11-111h 10
Back2DifferentMaggie Jackson - The Islands of our KnowledgeVia my wonderful friend Craig James arrived Maggie Jackson. So here's a tiny sample of our journey together:The unease of uncertainty is actually a gift.Ambivalent CEOs are actually better performers.It's fear of uncertainty that sets you back, not uncertainty itself.Try on the Unknown.What does it mean to be human now that we are married to these technologies?That's just for starters. Come join us, please, as we explore the rich and wonderful topography that abides between The Islands of our Knowledge.Never know what's g...
2024-10-1759 min
Back2DifferentCarey Corr - I Thought a Lot OlderCarey Corr has a marvelous story. He is a film-maker and carries a boundless sense of curiosity and adventure. He's fearless and we share the excitement of new ideas alongside a deep suspicion of knowing as a way to live - it's embracing how little we know that gives us energy.Education, Laurel & Hardy, W. C. Fields, science fiction B movies, no holds barred as we realize that, each of us, as boys, realize that "I thought a Lot Older."Never know what's going to show up when you click 'record'!
2024-09-241h 12
Back2DifferentClarabelle Miray Fields - It Has to be RawI met Clarabelle Miray Fields on a forum about creativity and knew I'd need to listen more to what she had to explore. She was self-publishing when she was four, binding her own books using her mother's hole-punch and yarn. She writes speculative fiction, both prose and poetry, and we take a stroll through the land of creativity. She's thoughtful, wide-ranging and candid. And she firmly believes that for writing to grab us, It Has to be Raw.Never know what's going to show up when you click 'record'!
2024-08-3152 min
Back2DifferentGlenn Behenna - Distinctly AverageWe gathered each other through a mutual friend, Colin Smith. Glenn Behenna worked in the steel industry, as a member of the constabulary (a cop), went back to school, and now he is a Senior Lecturer and Senior Fellow at University of Wales Trinity St. David. He didn't hit his academic stride early, though as he says, "It must have been in there somewhere." We explore culture, society, education, government, "legislated inoffensiveness," change and hope. A couple of well-seasoned guys who are, after all, distinctly average.Have fun and enjoy the beauty, the poetry, of hi...
2024-06-2358 min
Back2DifferentPeter Cook - Bring Their Brains to WorkMusic, toxic HR culture, confounded with structure, 'I cycled through the pandemic,' moral hazard and money to be made, exam strategies and rock songs, and then our conversation took off. How can you not like listening in on a conversation with Peter Cook, who wrote Sex, Leadership and Rock N 'RolI: Leadership Lessons from the Academy of Rock?We're each (and both) proponents of a world where jobs encourage people to bring their brains to work.Never know what's going to show up when you click 'record'!
2024-05-3049 min
Back2DifferentMichael Padurano - Showering in the DarkWe can be successful in business, outwardly merry, envied and admired. At the same time, we may be carrying a corrosive load of trauma, unhealed emotional and spiritual bruises that can lead to broken relationships, thoughts of suicide, and addictions both behavioral and chemical.Spend some time with Michael Padurano and me as we explore the pain that leads to showering in the dark, and the redemption of a healing oasis.Never know what's going to show up when you click 'record'!
2024-04-221h 10
Back2DifferentTamsin Astor - A Pillar of PleasureNo stone left unturned in this one. Tamsin Astor is fearless, peripatetic (as in she's been all over the place geographically and educationally), and embracing. I would love to get together with all the back2different community, walk together for a while, then just sit and listen. I am very blessed to be part of this wondrous crowd, and Tamsin is no exception.Tamsin and I run through the Irish goodbye, the dance of the universe, being a good faker, feeling too much, change as life, and all within the organizing principle of A Pillar of Pleasure....
2024-03-061h 03
Back2DifferentJim Burke - Be Careful Not to Should All over YourselfJim Burke appeared through my connection with Craig James, and each connection enriches the other. I finally got some time with Jim and off we went, looking carefully into kinds of questions, since the questions we ask, not the answers we find, shape our reality. We batted around living through "Have you thought about this?"We agreed that we both don't know nothin' and just had a grand time traveling through our stories together, both having reached a wonderful step in our road and reaching this conclusion: Be careful not to should all over yourself. Join us for so...
2024-02-0659 min
Back2DifferentPhil Williams - Sit in the Dining Car with Total StrangersI hate scratching my head with "I wonder what s/he meant by that?" First of all, I'm an inept fill-in-the-unspoken-part practitioner. Hence my pleasure at getting together with Phil Williams. He wears no barriers and carries no shields. We travel through Stevens-Johnson Syndrome, time in the burn unit, his family and their home, music, and 'the great perhaps,' among other things. We both dreamed of being engineers, the choo-choo kind, but for very different reasons. Nothing is out of bounds, including his argument why we might consider the advantage if we can sit in th...
2023-12-291h 22
Back2DifferentIleana Ferber - This is Your HummingbirdSo Ileana and I explore trees, quiet, burls, pushing less and being more, Cra-Cra, chickens, naps, a sky with no airplanes, and "the moment you start laughing at yourself, that's when you're free."Ileana grew up in Venezuela, worked 24 years with Exxon Mobile, then skipped out (like a happy child) to found Colibri Business Development. She helps local and international businesses, especially those in the energy market, with their growth and development. Once she went out on her own, she realized this is your hummingbird.She's transparent, excited, and a joy.N...
2023-11-201h 04
Back2DifferentOzlem Brooke Erol - Everybody is Waiting for FridayBrooke left behind her home country - Turkey - and her successful career at IBM to find a new home - San Diego - and to start her own consulting businesses:purposeful.business is a site for the organizational side of work, yourbestlifeinc.com is for individuals. She made her giant step as she realized that who she was, the singular and only Ozlem, was vanishing. Her humanity and identity were falling away as a requisite for success in the world of corporate homogeneity. She's fun, smart, shining with the energy that builds when we f...
2023-09-121h 02
Back2DifferentCraig James - I'm Going WondermentCraig James is my trust talker. We never plan nothin'. One of us brings a thought, an idea, an event, a confusion, and then we start bouncing around like the lights from a mirror ball. It's fun, comfortable, and fearless. Without intent, without control, no matter how far we go, the conversation brings us back to where we started. It's not linear and it's not mysterious, it's just true. Give us a listen as we both realize I'm going wonderment. Buckle up!Never know what's going to show up when you click 'record'!
2023-06-2159 min
Back2DifferentMelissa Hughes - That Three Pound Wrinkly Mass Between Your EarsWhat a combo of insight and humility is Melissa. I know, that sounds like the first line of a sonnet - she and I tend toward the childlike and the fun. In our time with microphones, we explore -The Rat TicklerWhat's my Cat Hair?Math tests and egg timers"I don't just hire people who are smarter than me, I listen to them."Glial cells - the day shift and the night shiftCortisol overproduction and brain cell erosion - and then we get down to some serious st...
2023-05-2854 min
Back2DifferentRoger Martin, Colin Smith, and Mac Bogert: "The Rise of the Feminine."In any conversation that includes Roger and Colin, I wait comfortably in silence for their contributions. What I get for a small investment of patience is wisdom, empathy, and self-effacing humor. When I asked Roger to contribute to Gender Crap, he hedged a bit. It turns out what he saw (or heard, I suppose) in the title was very different from my intent, which led to a wonderful conversation followed by his remarkable contribution. Please join us as Roger reads, and the three of us explore, the complexity and insight of "The Rise of the...
2023-05-2446 min
Back2DifferentByron and Mariah Edgington - In some ways, the year in Vietnam was the safe part.Byron Edgington and Mariah Edgington pay complement to each other very well indeed. They don't complete each others' sentences - a practice I find quickly tiring - but they never fail to leave the other space to help populate the insight of whatever we're trying to understand. They are both and separately devoted to opening up possibilities, and they are part of a growing critical mass of those who are candid, humane, and do not suffer BS gladly. We explore the 60s, legacy, service and more as they help me understand that in some ways, the year in Vietnam...
2023-05-0251 min
Back2DifferentVura Julius-orage - Poetry, the Sound of our StoryVura's voices are a joy. His speaking voice, his perspective, and his poetry, each rings straight and true. We both love writing and it brings us such pleasure that we spend a good part of this episode laughing. Vura serves on the Hertfordshire County Council in the UK and has a background in project management, as well as giving his time and energy to youth and recovery work. For two people of different generation, location, and race, we find a foundation of brotherhood, and isn't that what's it's all about? Take a listen as we talk and as...
2023-04-1945 min
The Change ZoneThe Change Zone #67 - People as Things with Mac Bogert!The Change Zone warmly presents episode 67 "People as Things with Mac Bogert!" Warmly presents people as things you might enquire mildly, your eyebrows rising. And yet, Gail MacDonald and Susan Sneath know Mac Bogert. Mac brings lively conversations of warmth and snap. He finds opportunities to help people explore, clarify, and challenge what they have been told they should be because of their labels.Colin D. Smith notes "An incredibly, deep, insightful, and thoughtful man, Mac is, as many of us know so well. A joy to spend time being with him."We will look at three...
2023-04-0355 min
Back2DifferentAndee Scarantino - The World Just OpenedAndee and I discovered a parallel journey of confronting and casting off outmoded ways of thinking - "the lies we chose to believe . . . I just learned it that way." We've both had winding journeys - I won't say career because neither of us has been that linear. And during the bumps and chasms of those journeys, we both found that once we started being clear and honest, The World Just Opened. Enjoy!Never know what's going to show up when you click 'record'!
2023-03-1458 min
Back2DifferentJoseph Carrabis - The Light in their EyesI grew up engulfing as much science fiction - and, later, what would be labeled speculative fiction - as possible, so connecting with Joseph Carrabis was a natural. Like me, he loves to write and is fearless in his exploration of ideas, plot, character and things in general. He's served as a mathematician, data scientist, chief research officer and, well, you get the picture. Join us as we talk about the light in their eyes.Never know what's going to show up when you click 'record'!
2023-02-0640 min
The Ugly American Werewolf in London Rock PodcastUAWIL #112: Jeff Beck TributeJeff Beck was one of the world's true originals. An innovator of guitar that couldn't be defined by one genre. To pay tribute to him, we examine his career from his time in The Yardbirds, The Jeff Beck Group (with Rod Stewart & Ronnie Wood), Beck, Bogert, & Appice, through the 70s & 80s until today. He eventually abandoned playing with a pick so he could better control the sound of the Stratocaster with his fingers and whammy bar to make sounds no one else could.The Wolf was fortunate enough to see Jeff Beck play 4 times over the years...
2023-01-191h 17
Back2DifferentAmy Olmedo - Versions of the TruthAmy Olmedo's life has not been so much a series of forks as a series of switchbacks. Her journey provides a clarity about trauma, change, and courage that will help you take stock, and take aim, at finding and living as yourself. As Oscar Wilde suggested, "Be yourself. Everyone else is already taken."Join us for a wonderful exploration of versions of the truth.Never know what's going to show up when you click 'record'!
2023-01-1956 min
Back2DifferentBruno Cignacco - Treating Employees Well is Good BusinessBruno grabbed me from our first conversation. He is candid, smart, and powered by a strong sense of innovation and empathy. His book, The Art of Compassionate Business, is interesting as well as compelling. I have not finished it - full disclosure - and I'm caught up by his perspective. We talk about qualitative analysis, education, replacing Human Resources (yuck) with Human Assets, a dialogue that circles and goes back to his, and my, central thesis: Treating Employees Well is Good Business.Never know what's going to show up when you click 'record'!
2023-01-0544 min
Back2DifferentEric Zabiegalski - Something Interesting is Going to HappenThe Rise of the Ambidextrous Organization is Eric's remarkable contribution to our understanding of a new way of thinking and of doing business. He and I have a romp through thinking, childhood, the creative machine, "you're not your brain," and The Memory Palace. Then we really hit the ground running. He and I connect like a couple of long-lost friends washed ashore together on a deserted isle.Join us. As far as the future is concerned, we both have no doubts that something interesting is going to happen.Never know what's going to s...
2022-11-291h 05
Back2DifferentHumanity@Work - Michael Ianinni and LeadershipMichael and I got together to record one of the early episodes of back2different. I know how passionately involved he is in his work with education, schools, and leadership, so I tapped him to record a contribution to Humanity@Work.You will enjoy and be moved by his vision for improvement.Never know what's going to show up when you click 'record'!
2022-11-0831 min
Back2DifferentSusan Sneath - What is the wit that would heal us?Susan Sneath and I share the experience of working as an actor, a tendency toward being wildly candid, and a willingness to boldly go . . . . I had a tough time with the title for this episode - I'm looking at a list of nine quotes from Susan that would be bang-up for where we went, but I think this is the best to capture her enthusiasm and courage.Acting, health, vulnerability, respect, dignity, hope, life, and more are among the hairpin turns we make together as we try to figure out what is the wit that would heal us...
2022-10-2454 min
Back2DifferentRyan Maloney - Without a good drummer and bass player, your band's gonna suckI'm reminded again how much we need, and how quickly we move toward, friendship during this dislocation. Ryan Maloney and I both played in many bands for years and years. We both played in rhythm sections (bass for me and drums for him), which creates a special bond. Most of us know, though we're not aware of it, that without a good drummer and bass player, your band's gonna suck. We also cover life, mental health, isolation, happiness, art, spirit, and the crushing experience of corporate culture. Join us, feel the drummed bass of your favorite music, and...
2022-10-0547 minThe Change ZoneThe Change Zone -Humanity@Work with Mac Bogert!Gail McDonald and Susan Sneath of The Change Zone credit this compelling, relatable, ’real’ and relevant storyteller, with embodying change - the kinds of changes that make a difference aimed at the heart of our workplaces. Mac notes “I have happily let the next thing draw my path, from teaching through touring as a blues performer, sailing professionally, acting, puppeteering, and back to teaching. All of these are still active themes in what I am becoming every day.My friend Bruce introduces me as “the oldest kid I know.” In this episode we will be exploring our common pas...
2022-09-2659 min
Back2DifferentJonathan Fable - as if nothing happenedOkay, so we cover . . .mental health being incarcerated AI hallucinating graffiti feeding the hungry ghost . . .and that's just for starters. Jonathan is the author of Mission2Moga, a very interesting dystopian novel. He was a fixture among the crews of Brooklyn by age five, and, as Mark Twain suggested, "never let my schooling interfere with my education." Fasten your shoulder harness for our trip while we look back as if nothing happened.Never know what's going to show up when you click 'record'!
2022-09-151h 01
Back2DifferentAileda Lindal - It's Time to Get our Asses Busy and Build. Period.A wild and variegated journey with Aileda Lindal leads us through neuroscience, epigenetics, quantum physics and being human. We share a love of ideas and a generative attitude about this time in which we find ourselves. With all we know and are finding out about what makes us tick (and stumble), there is so much carryover of retroactive expectations and assumptions, so much we allow to stand in our way. May be it really is time to get our asses busy and build. Period. Enjoy!Never know what's going to show up when you click 'record'!
2022-08-1358 min
Back2DifferentTony Michaelides - In the Company of MusicWow. So Tony and I go on a tear through our shared history and abiding love of music. He's from Manchester, UK, and he was intricately involved with the music scene there, starting with selling records out os his van, going upstairs at Virgin Rags (an early precursor to the Virgin records empire), following local acts like U2 and wrapped in the David Bowie phenomenon early on. We both see the possibility of a return to more local music, a move away from the domination of accounting and the blossoming of community-through-music, a landscape that encourages and provides v...
2022-08-011h 18
Back2DifferentMelissa Hughes - Neuroscience, my guilty pleasureMelissa is a delight. We've shared many conversations, always building on each other's ideas and energy. She brings an analytical approach to experience that fills in the gaps my loosely and widely ranging curiosity sometimes skips past. So we spend about an hour exploring how the brain works (or not), how much we overestimate our (illusion of) rationality, why facts don't matter in most conversations, how we can be self-skeptical and let go of shame, punching back, and much, much more. Mixing this podcast made me go back and listen to portions again and again. You can...
2022-07-1256 min
Back2DifferentJon Landers - Music AbidesJon and I share a passion for music. We both also have itchy feet. He has been in sales, marketing, training design, graphics, and more. Since 2013, he has been developing TBAIMS - Connecting through Music. He loves discovering musicians and performers who are distinctive, creative and willing to fight the good fight to be seen and heard. It's a tough business, and Jon provides all kinds of support and feedback to fuel their development.We travel together through the performing arts, rock and roll, Woodstock, the music industry, politics and greed in our conversation. Please join us...
2022-06-2943 min
Back2DifferentLady Kendall Jaggar - Easier for Us to Expel than InhaleJag and I went round and round . . . and round for 6 weeks for a bunch of reasons before we sat down for a wonderful trip together. She is not to be trifled with, and we fed off each others' energy on our wild ride. Her story, her courage, her uninhibited version of life and its lessons will grab you. Please join us, buckle your seatbelts, and listen while she helps me - and all of us - get why it's easier for us to expel than inhale. Love and life, that is.Never know what's going to s...
2022-06-0445 min
Back2DifferentCatherine Fitzgerald - My humanity does not diminish my value.Catherine Fitzgerald is one of the contributors to back2different who had a 'straight' career - linear, climbing the corporate ladder, that kind of thing, and then realized it wasn't working. So off she went, fear, courage, determination and possibilities in hand and made her own thing. She's business-focused, and she has discovered that we can re-define 'profit' to exclude 'dehumanization.'She helps people find their own, and others around them, paths that tie value to humanity, and she understands that "leaders are not doers, they're the developers of doers." Bravo. We have...
2022-05-2559 min
Back2DifferentKristina Holle - Don't wait until the end of the tunnel.The beat goes on, doesn't it? My friend Shara suggested I get in touch with Kristina Holle. Here's what happened next: I discovered Kristina was following an expected path in the realms of the corporate world and suddenly veered off when that path grew narrower and narrower. Instead, she has chosen to explore and discover. Someone after my own heart. She recently published The Authentic You , and she astonished herself with the energy and focus that appeared during that project - it reinforced her faith in taking off on her own.Kristina is absolutely candid and...
2022-05-1752 min
Back2DifferentHumanity@Work #1 - I know where I am and I have my team around me . . .This is the first episode focused on Humanity@work. I'll be hosting a series of conversations based on a simple premise: setting aside the issue of pay (not to ignore the idea, but to set that apart), what do you want your job to provide for you and what do you want work not to do to you.?Join me with Shara, Andrew, Alex and Brett as we find that I can work better when I know where I am and I have my team around me.Never know what's going to show up when you...
2022-05-0426 min
Back2DifferentEileen Bild - That In-Between StateLots of change, lots of discomfort, lots of growth - Eileen Bild is living a no-holds-barred kind of life that many of us might find scary. Not that she is a spinning target for a knife-throwing act at the carnival, but because she embraces everything that comes her way. We bounce around and laugh as we explore pretty nearly everything in our time together, both of us engaging a time in our lives that is not the beginning and not the end, but that in-between state. Buckle your seat belts.Never know what's going to show up w...
2022-04-2843 min
Back2DifferentOur Humanity@WorkLast September, Shara Lewis-Campbell. Andrew Foster and I all came together and had an idea: How about if work felt more like purpose and less like a sentence?Last week, this idea was published: Humanity@Work, an ebook, paperback and hard copy that brought together over 35 people from around the world to contribute their insight about work. And life. And humanity.So join us for a little while as we laugh and talk and laugh about how all this came together and where we hope it goes. The project is completely pro bono, btw, all...
2022-04-1221 min
Back2DifferentSybil Cummin - I might be a couple drops in the bucket.So Sybil Cummin is the friend of a friend. She lives in Colorado, and she has quite a story. “Knock on any door” as people say. She is a very accomplished gymnast, outstanding student, and a recovering perfectionist. She takes herself not-too-seriously. Which is very important because her field is domestic violence and narcissistic abuse. Part of how she opened my eyes was when she focused on how much domestic abuse has risen during COVID, and especially how it has been underreported. It didn’t occur to me that someone who is a victim of abuse cannot call for help i...
2022-03-231h 03
Back2DifferentMike Vacanti - The rambunctious kidHaving run into Mike Vacanti more than once at Our Friendship Bench (I promise, only one more link!), I did one of those two kinds of people things we all can fall into. In this case, it’s ‘people I could be trapped in a lifeboat with’ and ‘people I would throw myself overboard if I were trapped in a lifeboat with.’ Mike is in category a.We run amok together as we explore boyhood, school (we both knew our high school principals very well indeed), the value of commitment over command in the workplace, the beauty of possibi...
2022-02-281h 03
Back2DifferentMark O'Brien - There Was a Bee on the BridgeI’ve run across (or into!) Mark O’Brien (mark@obriencg.com) in several online conversations. From the first, I knew we’d be friends, for two reasons. First, Mark and I both love to write and love to explore and discover, even if we ruffle a few feathers—or entire flocks—in the process. Second, after Mark says something, I never need to stop and consider, “I wonder what’s really on his mind?”So we got together to talk. No surprise, we followed a jogging meander through writing, childhood, parents, courage, writing, literature, marriage, thinking, expectations, th...
2022-02-1446 min
Back2DifferentBrian Sommer - The Genius Resides in the Person in Front of YouCompetitive skier, off to college to play baseball, golfer, professor, experienced in mergers and acquisitions, and now Brian Sommer (briansommercoaching.com) carries a passion for leadership and learning into his coaching work. We both love sports, through Brian is good at them. We both abide in a skeptical place, “separating what happens from what we say happens.” And we both discovered during our journey toward this meeting that teaching is both less and more than we thought.Throughout this conversation, we ask more questions than give each other answers, e.g. “Imagine if all the books throughout histor...
2022-02-011h 00
Back2DifferentBarry Schwartz - The Store Does Not Take Care of ItselfI see podcasting as the discovery of surprises. I’m not in charge, just a part of. My conversation with Barry Schwartz (bschwar1@swarthmore.edu) is a luge ride, full speed and switching the role of top slider (the one who signals the turn) and the bottom driver (the one who makes the turn) throughout. Here’s some of where we went: dogged attachment uncertainty and probability the curse of knowledge vaccinations and shopping for groceries organ donations and social altruism drunk driving, smoking, and MADD freedom and security confidence interval...
2022-01-1455 min
Back2DifferentJohn Dunia - Independence DayWe find our common territory much more easily than most may think. John Dunia (shamedoctor.com) is the 46th visitor to record on back2different. I’ve added layers of understanding and connection to my life since this podcast journey started, its birth parallel to the generation of the virus. I’d like to suggest that we don’t need to experience this time as a separation but as an acknowledgment of the absolute nourishment of connection. I have dozens of close friends I have never met ftf because of this venture. We simply drop our shields, open up...
2022-01-0846 min
Back2DifferentJoanna Bennett - I Value Peace More Than HappinessWe pick up a lot of ‘stuff’ as we grow up. If you’re familiar with George Carlin, you know what ‘stuff’ means. Joanna Bennett (joanna@obriencg.com) shares her story, no holds barred, about finding her way through situations and assumptions that stood in the way of what she now knows and loves. She and her children have grown closer during the pandemic, and she lives by a very clear credo: I value peace more than happiness. Join us for a verbal romp.Never know what's going to show up when you click 'record'!
2021-12-2937 min
Back2DifferentLaura Gray - Broken Crayons Still ColorLaura Gray (lgray@maloneynovotny.com) has no lack of credentials. Corporate, academic, sales and training. And trauma. Her journey toward emotional rejuvenation and spirit included opening up some scabs and scars that were scary and necessary. In this courageous conversation, she tells her story to deliver a deep appreciation of how resilient we can become if we can barter shame for clarity. She helped me understand her journey and my own. Let her help you with that same understanding, that broken crayons still color.Never know what's going to show up when you click 'record'!
2021-12-2035 min
Back2DifferentAndrew Foster - The Whole World is Sitting DownAs Andrew Foster led me through his story, he focused on writing. He has taken this advice from one of his professors and holds it close to his heart: “Stop! Write about it!” We share a love of writing, especially of the most demanding love, poetry. I believe we are all in need of spiritual nutrition, the emotional body-building that comes from community. Especially now, as we are all bound up in viral incarceration, some of us are growing through this imprisonment, some of us less so. Andrew has been in prison for 17 years. Listen in as we exp...
2021-12-0337 min
Back2DifferentRoger Martin - The Great PauseWhen I first met Roger Martin (roger@themindsetdifference.com), I realized he was someone who spoke with marked purpose—what he was about to say would be focused, clear, and memorable. I found myself hoping he would be the next person to speak in our group. Roger, who is Co-Founder of The Mindset Difference, working with Sarah Matthew, Founder of The Vibrant Company and Barry Holmes, Founder of Zoom Creates, is working on a new book: If Not This, Then What? He will be contributing to Humanity at Work as well. More on that in the next podc...
2021-11-2249 min
Back2DifferentNicola Lipscombe - That Central Point WithinNicola Lipscombe (nicola@nicolalipscombe.com) lives in Kent Town, South Australia. Heartwise Leadership—her words for her focus— captures her journey and her work. She has wandered the planet, worked in business and the academic world, found herself not quite sure who she was seeing in the mirror, then stopped ‘following the guard rails’ and went hell-for-leather forward into finding Nicola rather than being told who she should be. “A bit of a wildling, somewhat of an introvert, quirky, playful” she says of herself. We had a delightful romp through bunches of topics and ideas as we arrived at th...
2021-10-2837 min
Back2DifferentShara Lewis-Campbell: My Anger Was Not RequiredMy first conversation with Shara Lewis-Campbell (https://www.beautyandthebeastpublishing.net) leapfrogged from theme to idea to insight and back again. It affirmed my belief that all we need to do is be mutually interested in discovery and our interests will align. Shara's and my country of origin, culture, race, generation, gender, all differ. Yet we quickly found ourselves passengers on the same tour bus, entranced by the landscape of ideas and humanity. During the podcast, we wound around to talking about emotions and growing up. My anger was not required, said Shara at one point (very British, I thought...
2021-09-3040 min
Back2DifferentValerie Andrews - We Are Already HomeValerie Andrews (reinventinghome.org ) has caught on to something immediate and important—what has home become, especially during the pandemic? Home has been that place of memory, where we ate and slept and familied between school or work. Some of us have moved a bunch, some of us live (especially now) in a caravan of RVs, some of us still live within the walls that grew us up. No matter. We all embrace and need that place that provides a door into a deeply rejuvenating part of our lives. Valerie is helping us explore what is changing and what wil...
2021-09-0847 min
Back2DifferentColin Heyman - The Locker of our EmotionsColin Heyman (maine-stream.co.uk) showed up as part of a growing cadre of coaches and facilitators who recognize that we all need to contribute to a world based on understanding and community. This is not a political issue, it’s a survival issue. And it’s a business issue. The data are clear that when people feel valued and included in any endeavor, they work not only harder, they work better. It’s time, past time, actually, that we ditched the idea of work. How about endeavor, literally, “do one’s utmost.” We need to create space for people to ha...
2021-08-1839 min
Back2DifferentSteven Howard: "All our rectangles are the same size."Says Bilbo, “It’s a dangerous business, Frodo, going out one’s front door.” That dangerous business leads to adventure and connection. I love that kind of danger. So here’s Steven Howard, guru of Caliente Leadership (https://www.calienteleadership.com), whom I met while virtually meandering. It took a while to finally talk, then longer to stop. I had to put the brakes on since the record button wasn’t. We’ve both traveled a good bit, went out on our own in the mid 1990s, and we share devotion to questioning the conventional: “No more work/life...
2021-07-0835 min
Back2DifferentSarah Ratekin - Spaces for Happiness & The Power of EnoughI’ve discovered that podcasting is a great way to make new friends. We begin miles apart (even thousands!) and very quickly find ourselves having the kind of intimate conversations that grow with close friendship. Sarah is no exception. We’ve been friends for a long time, though we’ve never met. When we first started our conversations, Sarah was the Chief Happiness Officer at a corporation. I'm not making this up! She and I have both traveled a long road with lots of lumps and bumps, and we’ve both decided that happiness is not an idea, it’s like bre...
2021-03-1834 min
Back2DifferentMaya Larson - Happy AccidentsI will confess that Colleague Consulting is one of my clients. Maya Larson (linkedin.com/in/mayalarson) just came to the company as its new president. She’s been discovering lots of stuff throughout her life, including helping deal with two weather disasters—Katrina in New Orleans and superstorm Sandy in New Jersey. Like me, she’s animated by passion, a sense of adventure, and a strong curiosity. When we live that way, we find (or they find us) happy accidents.Never know what's going to show up when you click 'record'!
2021-03-0135 min
Back2DifferentCatherine Sherlock - from Self as Enemy to self as Ally“We need to have a big enough conversation” said Catherine Sherlock (linkedin.com/in/catherinesherlock) the first time we spoke. I agree. The conversations we generally have about what’s happening tend to be too small — focused on agendas, opinions, or events, rather than on the systems and beliefs that limit our sense of discovery and spirit. She and I ran into the usual scheduling madness before finally finding an hour to explore and to challenge each other. She approaches coaching and leadership from a very human (and humane) place in her work (highermindfulness.com). She points out that as we fo...
2021-02-2241 min
Back2DifferentChris Lever - "What do you see?"This is how it works: Along comes this fellow by the name of Nick Wright; we bump into each other in the virtual village. In the course of our conversation, he mentions a friend (also in the U.K) named Chris Lever (chrislever@teleiosconsulting.com). “I think you two have a lot to talk about,” Nick opines. It turns out we do, and here it is. It’s a good story that begins with young Chris walking up to a stranger on the docks and asked, “Got any work for me, mate?” It turns out he did. Chris...
2021-01-2952 min
Back2DifferentJack Appleman - Having WordsWe’re both lovers of language, Jack and I - I’m a recovering English teacher; he comes from the fields of journalism and PR. He cuts right to the chase about 'value over volume' and has some very cool insights about the impact of powerful-and vague- writing. His opus is Ten Steps to Successful Business Writing, a very down-to-earth approach to simplifying and clarifying before we hit “Send”. We cover a lot of ground as we talk about suicide, social media, politics and, yes, writing. Jack’s an adjunct professor at The City College of New York and New York U...
2021-01-2231 min
Back2DifferentGreg Chapman - Walking the EarthHow big is a neighborhood? I guess it has to be big enough to hold all your neighbors. Greg Chapman (linkedin.com/in/thisisgregchapman) lives in my neighborhood. He also lives in South Delhi, India. He and I live across the virtual street from each other. We’re fearless about our friendship and have somehow achieved lifelong connection. Though the chronology of that life only stretches for six months, its connection is nearly familial. Maybe one of the changes we can embrace from this shift in our being is to stretch the power of neighborhood to exclude no...
2021-01-1541 min
Back2DifferentSteve Pearlman - The Security of UncertaintyEditing the back2different podcast I recorded with Steve Pearlman took longer than usual. I kept going back to listen to points he made, e.g. “Intelligence is less important than critical thinking.” He’s right. Critical thinking is a perspective, a way of living that embraces skepticism and continuous discovery, playing with ideas, knowledge as a basis for insight, not as an end in itself. We batted ideas around our thinking-playground time together, building and questioning: dialogue (talk through together) rather than discussion (which comes from the same root as percussion and concussion). Steve is funny...
2021-01-0849 min
Back2DifferentDavid Osborne - Laboratories of DemocracyDavid Osborne published Laboratories of Democracy—his first book—in 1988. It spotlights five governors around the country who wanted to change how states operate. I chose his title for this podcast because schools are our greatest laboratory for democracy, yet they are arguably the least democratic institution in our country. David is a champion for change—in government (Reinventing Government), in education (Reinventing America’s Schools), and in native-white relationships (The Coming, his novel with a long but very worthwhile incubation). We share a passion for learning and a focus forward. We also take things seriously enough to laugh...
2020-12-3043 min
Back2DifferentJohn Varney - Leadership is not about LeadersJohn and I support Margaret Wheatley’s idea that “Power in organizations is the capacity generated by relationships.” Leadership does not exist within leaders, it exists between everyone involved. After spending time working as an architect and mountaineer (seriously!), he and his wife moved to North Yorkshire for a temporary stay in the country. He’s still there. He has had a peripatetic career, finally publishing “Leadership as Meaning-Making” to capture his years of learning. Join us for a conversation about the future of self-organizing leadership, teams, and communities. Never know what's going to show up when you cli...
2020-12-1438 min
Back2DifferentGreg Balestrero - The World Has Always Been TinyAfter too long apart, Greg and I have rediscovered how much understanding and sense of discovery we have always shared and still do. His thinking, his writing, his courage and transparency all remind me that we need to act in order to nourish change and help, inch by inch, spread the warmth and power of community. Greg’s work in sustainability and humane leadership continue even as he and Frances enjoy life in Fort Myers.Never know what's going to show up when you click 'record'!
2020-11-2331 min
Back2DifferentMegan Miller - Chasing LightbulbsMegan Miller (aprovecharlanguagesolutions@gmail.com) , like me, followed a winding road to find her way to her business, a very personalized and focused way of teaching language. We both love riding horses, are infernally curious, and value a childlike place of wonder and discovery. During our conversation, she gave me a gift about teaching: teachers need to be “utterly curious and relentlessly humble.” We both also follow our path because it gives us the opportunity to see ‘lightbulbs’ go off as people find moments of insight and understanding, hence the name of the episode. Aprovechar, btw, I take to mean ‘ma...
2020-11-0232 min
Back2DifferentBill Bray - Writing, Insurgents, and the U.S. NavyThe connections keep showing up if we’re available. Bill Bray and I live within a few miles of each other, yet we’ve met, and become friends, only virtually. He served, I did not. That difference provided us with curiosity rather than judgment. Bill works at USNI (www.USNI.org), the United States Naval Institute. Among other things, they feature and publish what he calls insurgents—people in the naval community who push toward new ideas and challenge thinking habits that may no longer apply. Bill is a proponent of education rich in humanities, the arts, and leadership, hence...
2020-10-2136 min
Back2DifferentKatherine Porter - There Has to be Something DifferentKatherine Porter (katherine@theresourcewoman.com) is quietly and convincingly passionate about creating ‘better,’ especially for women. After having lawyered for twenty years, she decided, in the throes of the pandemic, to start her own business blogging and coaching to help spread the word that whether from a humanity sense or from a purely business sense, being more inclusive and building employee engagement create a place for shining eyes and mutual accountability.Never know what's going to show up when you click 'record'!
2020-10-1235 min
Back2DifferentMohamed Hammoud - Communion: the Letters of our NameIn 1976, Mohamed Hammoud fled Lebanon with his family to escape a civil war. Arriving in Canada, he was told to change his name to “Mike” in order to fit in. Over the years, as he moved and explored, he changed his name again and again—Mikeal in Quebec, Miguel in Spain, and finally back to himself, Mohamed. He and I had a terrific journey of ideas and insights over 30 minutes, and now I have a wonderful friend in London, Ontario, where I actually stopped for a snack in m1973!Never know what's going to show up when you cl...
2020-10-0530 min
Back2DifferentMac Bogert solo #3 - einstellungThere are perfect words whose meaning and sound transcend definition. Putz, for example, to capture perfectly that person who pulls into your parking space just ahead of you. L’appel du vide, that feeling some of us get like we’re being pulled to jump when we’re on a 30th-floor balcony. And einstellung just appeared in my reading. I’m very glad to welcome it aboard. Listen to a brief journey into the world of einstellung. Enjoy!Never know what's going to show up when you click 'record'!
2020-10-0212 min
Back2DifferentBrian Morgan - Credible Statementsbmorgan@thinkdeeplywriteclearly.com is a great email address and pretty much captures Brian Morgan’s passion and mission. We both have worked as actors, both approach our work as an extension of our minds, heart, and spirit, and we are both fascinated by the dimensions of language. Writing, in particular, has brought us great sweat and great happiness. Brian offers a gripping insight - we need to work within others’ attention span and deliver credible statements if we aspire to write.Never know what's going to show up when you click 'record'!
2020-09-1435 min
Back2DifferentMichelle Janse van Rensburg - Inspired ActionI’ve been skipping along through articles and posts on the web, stopping here and there when a piece grabs me. There are three stipulations (which I didn’t develop, but simply realized). First, that the author is pitching insight rather than product. Second, the writing shows care and attention. Third, the author is increasing the reader’s understanding. So that’s how I found Michelle Jane van Rensburg—or she found me. She grew up in Botswana and lives outside Johannesburg. She’s finding her way by embracing where she is and by paying attention to inspired action.Never k...
2020-09-0728 min
Back2DifferentRic Gonzalez-Rothi - Collateral BenefitRic Gonzalez-Rothi and I met walking down the street where we both live. Before COVID, we’d have said “Hi” or so, both of us being friendly. But instead we stopped and talked, and that became our habit. Ric is a retired physician and teacher with boundless credentials coupled with boundless dedication to his work and to people. Please join us as we talk about health, society, family, the outdoors, and a perspective about our time he calls collateral benefit.Never know what's going to show up when you click 'record'!
2020-08-3131 min
Back2DifferentGillian Thomson - Courage and the HeartSpending more time on the web these days, I wade through lots of articles and postings that are hawking a product or trying to claim special expertise. The first sentence of Gillian Thomson’s post on a leadership site was about heart-centered leadership, and it was also from the heart. So we talked. About vulnerability, women in leadership, her son, her journey, our shared love of discovery and being fearless about mistakes, and mostly about courage and the heart. Courage, btw, comes from a root word that means ‘heart.’ Go figure. Never know what's going to show...
2020-08-2130 min
Back2DifferentAlex Doty - Intentionality and ConnectionSeeing Alex and his son Luke provides an instant glimpse of love and responsibility. Alex is intentional in everything he does, and he also laughs easily and he’s wonderfully self-effacing. He works to help other folks through his position at Fannie Mae. He speaks about the analytical focus of his career, but his voice is the voice of a teacher, of a leader who values the warmth of relationships as central in his life. Join Alex Doty and me as we spend a little time exploring intentionality and connection.Never know what's going to show up wh...
2020-08-1332 min
Back2DifferentDr. Nicole Williams - A New Community of LearningBaltimore Colts marching band, dancer and choreographer, doctorate in social psychology, Academic Chair of Human Services at Anne Arundel Community College—Dr. Nicole Williams holds nothing back. Community colleges are not just about subject matter and degrees. They also, in every sense, serve their population as support and connection. I’m currently enrolled in a course of study at AACC. It’s challenging, demands a high level of accountability, and connects me to a delightfully diverse bunch of people devoted to moving forward. Congratulations to Dr. Williams and all the folks at AACC for supporting a new community of learni...
2020-08-1038 min
Back2DifferentRob Timm - WRNR and the Fabric of our CommunityIf you’ve lived in the Washington area for a while, you’ve heard Bob Timm’s voice. WHFS a few years back, introducing lots and lots of live bands, and now at WRNR in Annapolis. Like me, Rob has traveled the music road, we’ve both provided sound reinforcement behind a mixer for live music, and we both love what we do. Speaking with my friend reminded me how important community is right now, and that includes local radio, which helps hold together the fabric of our community.Never know what's going to show up when you clic...
2020-08-0637 min
Back2DifferentJohn Bowling - Sitting with UncertaintyOn his own since 13, John Bowling started work as a commercial fisherman, pulling in King Crab and salmon off the coast of Alaska. It’s one of the most grueling and dangerous jobs on the planet. Now John holds a PhD in psychology and provides leadership learning with his consulting operation, Sustainable Leadership. We hit it off from the git-go. We share a kaleidoscopic career path, enthusiasm for learning, and a childlike hunger for discovery. Like mine, John’s path has prepared him to accept sitting with uncertainty.Never know what's going to show up when you clic...
2020-08-0334 min
Back2DifferentSolo Episode #2: Connective TissueWe’ve been blindsided by the pandemic. Yet we haven’t. This wave has revealed some deep flaws and cracks in our culture and our institutions. We’ve been stumbling along with these for some time, maybe just because they were familiar. That stumbling includes how we see learning and how we see leadership. The dislocation of education from big-box schools creates a space for us to re-build better. Let’s embrace the possibility that we can take technology, dislocation, learning research and our frustration with the clear inadequacies of the current system and build a better place to learn. I...
2020-07-3115 min
Back2DifferentTeresa Quinlan - Where Did That Come From?I love the journey I took with Teresa as she and I explored the connection between accomplishment and journey. Too often we don’t celebrate the necessary increments—training, for instance—that are the motor behind the crowning accomplishment, say completing a marathon. And this applies to our emotions, our thinking, our reactions, our development and our relationships. Teresa calls that process integration into character. We can see and feel the results of our efforts, and we can also help ourselves stay tuned (in every way) by paying attention to the question, “Where did that come from?” Never k...
2020-07-2334 min
Back2DifferentColin Smith - Listening and Love“It's a dangerous business, Frodo, going out of your door,” says Bilbo Baggins. How many of us are feeling that way right now? Please join Colin Smith and I as we explore everything from Zoom fatigue to Goggle research. Colin’s work—through his operation, Dexterity Solutions—is founded in listening. Seems to be a dearth of that most humane of human behaviors right now. Maybe we can find room in the current gigantic crack of the pandemic to nurture connection by understanding (and practicing) the essential connection between Listening and Love. Never know...
2020-07-1639 min
Back2DifferentDia Mitra - Harvesting the Current RealityOne of the unforeseen (at least by me) ripples from the pandemic has been the dissolution of distance. Dia and I found resonance in our points of view about leadership and learning online, and we've been talking ever since, though we've never met ftf. Dia re-introduced me to wabi-sabi, which I remember from my college days - the idea of transience and imperfection, especially in art. We certainly are living in a time of transience and imperfection, and Dia focuses on moving beyond wishful thinking - harvesting the current reality.Never know what's going to show up...
2020-07-0921 min
Back2DifferentDennis Pitocco - LegacyDennis Pitocco and I happenstanced (newly coined) via writing and realized we're both energized by possibility. Dennis found his success first through business, then through giving. These days, his title is Chief Reimaginator for a very cool cyber environment indeed: 360Nation (https://www.bizcatalyst360.com). As we back-and-forthed, we arrived at a question for back2different: However else we think about, and deal with, this tsunami, what would we like to create as our Legacy?Never know what's going to show up when you click 'record'!
2020-07-0526 min
Back2DifferentKerry De Vivo - MovementMy first (slightly unwilling) visit to Excel Pilates - two seconds in the door and I felt like I was coming home. It feels like a community, not just a business. Kerry De Vivo’s love of her work and respect for everyone permeates her – their – studio, and I’ve been a devotee ever since. Kerry’s story, her celebration of fitness, fairness, and movement all serve her well now as she maintains her clarity about what she can keep and what she needs to change in order to go back to different.Never know what's going...
2020-07-0127 min
Back2DifferentSean Casey - Make It BetterSean Casey, Senior Project Manager at Colleague Consulting, is part of my new wave of friends whom I have never met ftf. Back 2 different, right? Like me, he's fired up about discovery and possibility. He promotes better as a vision that accepts risk and pushes forward. When we talk about where learning can go, his conversation is always generative—not just how we react to the “new different,” but how to enshrine the learning opportunities we create. And that gives him what Ben Zander calls “shining eyes.” Even virtually.Never know what's going to show up...
2020-06-2925 min
Back2DifferentJimi Davies - Live FeedSo. Jimi Davies. Annapolis Neighbor. Publisher and Creative Director, Up.St.ART. And, of course, Jimmie’s Chicken Shack. Oh, and a boxer named Betty White. We’ve said Hi, talked about the land around our little houses, and now we talk a bit about how this time in our lives and in the world has opened up possibilities for discovery: LIVE FEED.Never know what's going to show up when you click 'record'!
2020-06-2222 min
Back2DifferentJames Perryman and Krystyna Petersen -BoundariesBoundaries brings me together with Krystyna Petersen and James Perryman, two entrepreneurs who launched their new project, MyPeopleClub on March 2. Talk about timing! Their discovery and learning as they have navigated this time of turmoil is part of the story they share with their clients at their online community and learning platform (www.mypeopleclub.com).Never know what's going to show up when you click 'record'!
2020-06-0927 min
Back2DifferentMarilyn O'Hearne - Bias, Grace, and the Nap MinistryMarilyn O’Hearne combines a strong grounding in executive coaching with a focus on cultural intelligence and compassion. Her message is focused, powerful, and inclusive. Join us for Bias, Grace and The Nap Ministry.Never know what's going to show up when you click 'record'!
2020-06-0322 min
Back2DifferentMichael Iannini - Pivot PointsMichael Iannini and I discovered each other through a shared passion for learning and a hunger for change. We want to transform assumptions about what school is for and how schools work (or don’t). Join us as Michael and I share our enthusiasm and focus on pivot points for change.Never know what's going to show up when you click 'record'!
2020-05-2723 min
Back2DifferentColby Peters and Tiny MiraclesI asked Colby Peters to lend us some insight into how honest grieving makes room to see what we otherwise miss. She reframes “crisis” within the context of its origins, and she points out the path to tiny miracles, something we all need right now.Never know what's going to show up when you click 'record'!
2020-05-2018 min
Back2DifferentSolo Episode #1: What's in a name?I hear “back to normal” when people talk about Covid 19. It’s going to be not-the-same as we enter whatever the next stage is. So let’s spend some energy being grateful for this pause and use the time to push forward instead of to push back.Never know what's going to show up when you click 'record'!
2020-04-3009 min