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Underworlds with Mark ShawUnderworlds with Mark ShawSANNE DE BOER - Mafiopoli: Living Among the ’Ndrangheta – Italy's Most Powerful Crime OrganisationMafiopoli: Uncovering the ’Ndrangheta, Italy’s Most Powerful Mafia.In this episode of Underworlds, host Mark interviews Dutch journalist and author Sanne De Boer about her book, Mafiopoli: Living Among the ’Ndrangheta – Italy’s Most Powerful Crime Organisation. Based in Calabria, home to the rugged Aspromonte Mountains, De Boer reveals the ’Ndrangheta’s rise as Europe’s cocaine trade kingpin, with growing influence in the Netherlands, Belgium, and Germany.Mafiopoli exposes the mafia’s grip on business, politics, and even the Catholic Church, spotlighting the 2007 Duisburg killings that highlighted their violent reach. De Boer discusses Europe’s struggle...2025-07-0945 minThe SLIDE Podcast - Youth Baseball & Softball PodcastThe SLIDE Podcast - Youth Baseball & Softball PodcastBuilt to Blast: The Rise of Moonshot Mark w/ Mark ThompsonBuilt to Blast: The Rise of Moonshot Mark Built to Blast: The Rise of Moonshot Mark kicks off this power-packed episode featuring 13-year-old phenom Mark “Moonshot” Thompson. With SLIDE Field Reporters Lilah and Jake as co-hosts, Mark shares how he combines raw power, speed, and maturity to lead ZT National and inspire young athletes everywhere. Big Swings from Jacksonville to Fenway Born in Jacksonville, Florida, Mark plays for ZT National and attends St. Joseph’s Catholic School. He’s earned his nickname the hard way—by blasting 21 home runs in just the spring season. Fr...2025-06-2700 minThe SLIDE Podcast - Youth Baseball & Softball PodcastThe SLIDE Podcast - Youth Baseball & Softball PodcastBuilt to Blast: The Rise of Moonshot Mark w/ Mark ThompsonBuilt to Blast: The Rise of Moonshot Mark Built to Blast: The Rise of Moonshot Mark kicks off this power-packed episode featuring 13-year-old phenom Mark “Moonshot” Thompson. With SLIDE Field Reporters Lilah and Jake as co-hosts, Mark shares how he combines raw power, speed, and maturity to lead ZT National and inspire young athletes everywhere. Big Swings from Jacksonville to Fenway Born in Jacksonville, Florida, Mark plays for ZT National and attends St. Joseph’s Catholic School. He’s earned his nickname the hard way—by blasting 21 home runs in just the spring season. Fr...2025-06-2700 minThe SLIDE Podcast - Youth Baseball & Softball PodcastThe SLIDE Podcast - Youth Baseball & Softball PodcastBuilt to Blast: The Rise of Moonshot Mark w/ Mark ThompsonBuilt to Blast: The Rise of Moonshot Mark Built to Blast: The Rise of Moonshot Mark kicks off this power-packed episode featuring 13-year-old phenom Mark “Moonshot” Thompson. With SLIDE Field Reporters Lilah and Jake as co-hosts, Mark shares how he combines raw power, speed, and maturity to lead ZT National and inspire young athletes everywhere. Big Swings from Jacksonville to Fenway Born in Jacksonville, Florida, Mark plays for ZT National and attends St. Joseph’s Catholic School. He’s earned his nickname the hard way—by blasting 21 home runs in just the spring season. Fr...2025-06-2700 minACUMA ONpointACUMA ONpointHot Takes From The Hill: When Supreme Court Decisions Meet Your MortgageIn this conversation with Leah Dempsey, Shareholder at Brownstein Hyatt Farber Schreck, Washington's regulatory landscape is undergoing seismic shifts that credit unions can't ignore. The CFPB under Acting Director Mark Calabria has transitioned from addressing Biden-era regulatory holdovers to implementing proactive policy changes that could benefit the credit union industry. This includes potential revisions to decade-old mortgage rules and modifications to the controversial public complaint database that has long frustrated financial institutions.Meanwhile, the reconciliation process faces significant hurdles as the Senate parliamentarian recently struck down several key provisions championed by Banking Committee Chairman Tim Scott, including...2025-06-2727 minFaces of AssassinationFaces of AssassinationSeason 2! Underworlds with Mark Shaw - Underworlds with Mark ShawUnderworlds with Mark Shaw is returning for another season.Mark sits down with authors to discuss their investigations into the murky world of organized crime.In season two, we hear about a range of stories such as money laundering and cryptocurrency; the 'Ndrangheta's expansion from Calabria, Italy to other countries of Europe. Also the story of a leading South African police officer, who was tasked with investigating the Italian mafia in South Africa by Nelson Mandela.A fascinating story about one of the largest frauds in the history of the maritime...2025-06-2102 minUN and Organized Crime PodcastUN and Organized Crime PodcastSeason 2! Underworlds with Mark Shaw - Underworlds with Mark ShawUnderworlds with Mark Shaw is returning for another season.Mark sits down with authors to discuss their investigations into the murky world of organized crime.In season two, we hear about a range of stories such as money laundering and cryptocurrency; the 'Ndrangheta's expansion from Calabria, Italy to other countries of Europe. Also the story of a leading South African police officer, who was tasked with investigating the Italian mafia in South Africa by Nelson Mandela.A fascinating story about one of the largest frauds in the history of the maritime...2025-06-2102 minThe IndexThe IndexSeason 2! Underworlds with Mark Shaw - Underworlds with Mark ShawUnderworlds with Mark Shaw is returning for another season.Mark sits down with authors to discuss their investigations into the murky world of organized crime.In season two, we hear about a range of stories such as money laundering and cryptocurrency; the 'Ndrangheta's expansion from Calabria, Italy to other countries of Europe. Also the story of a leading South African police officer, who was tasked with investigating the Italian mafia in South Africa by Nelson Mandela.A fascinating story about one of the largest frauds in the history of the maritime...2025-06-2102 minThe Impact: Coronavirus and Organized CrimeThe Impact: Coronavirus and Organized CrimeSeason 2! Underworlds with Mark Shaw - Underworlds with Mark ShawUnderworlds with Mark Shaw is returning for another season.Mark sits down with authors to discuss their investigations into the murky world of organized crime.In season two, we hear about a range of stories such as money laundering and cryptocurrency; the 'Ndrangheta's expansion from Calabria, Italy to other countries of Europe. Also the story of a leading South African police officer, who was tasked with investigating the Italian mafia in South Africa by Nelson Mandela.A fascinating story about one of the largest frauds in the history of the maritime...2025-06-2102 minUnderworlds with Mark ShawUnderworlds with Mark ShawSeason 2! Underworlds with Mark ShawUnderworlds with Mark Shaw is returning for another season.Mark sits down with authors to discuss their investigations into the murky world of organized crime.In season two, we hear about a range of stories such as money laundering and cryptocurrency; the 'Ndrangheta's expansion from Calabria, Italy to other countries of Europe. Also the story of a leading South African police officer, who was tasked with investigating the Italian mafia in South Africa by Nelson Mandela.A fascinating story about one of the largest frauds in the history of the maritime...2025-06-2102 minUntold Italy travel podcastUntold Italy travel podcast265. Exploring Calabria and Cilento: A Family Adventure in Southern ItalyTraveling with extended family in Italy is a dream for many and our guest this week made that dream come true. Join us as we chat with our longtime listener Caroline Rausch about her family's incredible journey through the lesser-known regions of Calabria and Cilento in search of relaxation and family connections. Read the full episode show notes here > untolditaly.com/265COMING SOON! The Untold Italy app - check it out hereMeet our sponsor - Intrepid Italian!Want to learn Italian fast? Our friend Michele from Intrepid Italian...2025-03-1447 minMarket Moves with Mark and JeffMarket Moves with Mark and JeffE32: Interest Rates, DOGE Savings, Bias Claims, Fannie and Freddie Privatization, Trump 20% Dividend to Taxpayers, Real Estate TaxAnother day, more chaos in the real estate market. Mark and Jeff discuss DOGE savings estimates ranging from $9B to $122B, cutting impacting bias claims. Will Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac privatization result in rates going up or down? Friend of the podcast Mark Calabria argues privatization could cause rates to go down. How about Trump's proposal to return 20% of DOGE savings to taxpayers? How could increasing real estate taxes and insurance costs impact housing affordability? Additionally, Mark and Jeff touch on the Trump/DeSantis proposal to remove real estate tax. Why is Warren Buffet bailing out of his...2025-02-2842 minMarket Moves with Mark and JeffMarket Moves with Mark and JeffE28: Economy, Real Estate, Foreclosures, Forbearance, Rate Reduction Cycle, FHFA on COVID, Receivership, Future of Fannie Mae and Freddie MacFormer FHFA Director Dr. Mark Calabria joins Mark and Jeff to share valuable perspective on FHFA Director nominee Bill Pulte, the economy, foreclosures and forbearance policies, a potential virtual rate reduction cycle, FHFA's response to the COVID pandemic, what receivership means for Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, recapitalization progress to date, and the likely future of Fannie and Freddie. 2025-02-051h 04Appraisal BuzzcastAppraisal BuzzcastNew Administration, New Challenges: What's Next for the Housing MarketA new administration is in charge—what does that mean for appraisers? In this episode, we sit down with Mark Calabria, former Director of the FHFA and author of Shelter from the Storm, to break it all down.We’ll dive into the feasibility of government spending cuts, the impact of employees returning to the office, and the future of the GSEs. Will we finally see the end of conservatorship? Mark shares his expert insights on what’s next for real estate, housing policy, and finance.At The Appraisal Buzzcast, we hos...2025-02-0534 minThe Big PictureThe Big PictureThe Big Picture - Featuring Mark CalabriaToday’s episode of The Big Picture with Rich & Rob featured special guest Mark Calabria, former FHFA Director, diving into the future of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, housing policy, and the evolving landscape of mortgage finance. Calabria provided key insights on the realistic timeline for releasing the GSEs from conservatorship, emphasizing the importance of recapitalization milestones and strategic regulatory adjustments before a full release is possible. He addressed whether privatization can occur without congressional approval, outlining the legal pathways available to FHFA leadership. As well as the potential impact on mortgage rates upon release.2025-01-3049 minBeursnerd | BNRBeursnerd | BNRBeursnerd XL | Waarom Fannie en Freddie nog steeds niet vrij zijnVoor de fijnproever doet Bill Ackman om 15.00 vanmiddag een livestream over zijn common shares van Fannie Mae. Die zijn namelijk meer dan 500 procent gestegen sinds september. Bill weet dat 'ie het momentum aan zijn kant heeft. Reken vooral op een eindeloze tirade zeer zelfverzekerd klinkende opmerkingen van een miljardair die al meerdere keren ongelijk heeft gekregen.  Voor de helderheid: dat heet inderdaad oppompen. Maar sommige vormen daarvan zijn niet illegaal. Het gebruik van het voormalige Twitter bijvoorbeeld. Of het publiceren van een short-rapport. Reken maar dat de advocaten van Pershing dondersgoed weten wat Bill wel en...2025-01-1606 minKeys to Real EstateKeys to Real EstateBonus Episode | Dr. Mark Calabria - Safety, Soundness and a Second Trump AdministrationIn this special episode of Keys to Real Estate, we interrupt our season break to bring you a timely and insightful conversation with Dr. Mark Calabria, former FHFA Director and key figure in the first Trump administration. With the recent presidential election in November, we explore what the housing and lending industries might face in a potential Trump 2.0 term from someone widely speculated to be tapped for a position in a second Trump administration.Dr. Calabria shares his expert perspective on a wide array of critical topics, including:• The future of the GSEs and potential re...2025-01-0857 minFree The EconomyFree The EconomyMortgage Market Analysis with Mark CalabriaThis week we cover weaponization of financial regulation, the Kroger-Albertsons merger, and a spirited defense of ultra-processed foods. Our interview this week is with Mark Calabria, former Director of the Federal Housing Finance Agency and author of the 2023 bookShelter from the Storm: How a COVID Mortgage Meltdown Was Averted. We talk about interest rates, affordability, the Fannie Mae conservatorship, housing policy in Trump’s second term, and the future of the mortgage market.Free the Economy is hosted and produced by Richard Morrison. Our co-producer is Destry Edwards, and the show is edited by Bilander Media. Ke...2024-12-1944 minThe Big PictureThe Big PictureThe Big Picture - Featuring Mark CalabriaIn today’s episode of The Big Picture with Rich and Rob, former FHFA Director Mark Calabria returned to provide insights into the future of housing finance under the potential changes brought by the Trump administration. A key focus was on the timeline for Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac’s potential exit from conservatorship, with Calabria offering a nuanced view of what steps could expedite the process. He also explored strategies to mitigate market disruption, emphasizing a careful, phased approach to ensure stability and prevent sudden shifts in mortgage rates or housing affordability.Calabria and the hosts delv...2024-11-1453 minThe Big PictureThe Big PictureThe Big Picture - Featuring Mark CalabriaIn Rich & Rob's interview with Mark Calabria on The Big Picture, the former FHFA Director offers his expert insights into the future of housing and finance policy. Calabria shares his unique perspective on the political landscape shaping housing finance reform, particularly regarding Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac's role in the mortgage market. Drawing from his tenure, he discusses the implications of potential policy changes and the increasing risks posed by the current structure of the government-sponsored enterprises (GSEs).Calabria delves into how the upcoming 2024 election could influence housing policy, with both...2024-10-1846 minThe Watchung Booksellers PodcastThe Watchung Booksellers PodcastEpisode 24: Reviewing BooksIn this episode of the Watchung Booksellers Podcast, book critics Kate Tuttle and Mark Rotella discuss the process and importance of reviewing books. Kate Tuttle is a book critic, essayist, and editor. A past president of the National Book Critics Circle and judge for the National Book Award, she edits the books pages of the Boston Globe. Her work has appeared in the New York Times, Los Angeles Times, Washington Post, and elsewhere. A Kansas native, she now lives in New Jersey after stints in Boston and Atlanta.Mark Rotella is...2024-10-0845 minThe Appraisal Update: The Official Podcast of Appraiser eLearningThe Appraisal Update: The Official Podcast of Appraiser eLearningThe Appraisal Update - Episode 179 | Fed Cuts Interest RateIn this special edition of the Appraisal Update podcast, guest host Hal Humphreys asks economist Mark Calabria to explain what the Fed's .5% interest rate cut means for mortgage markets, homebuyers, and appraisers.Calabria is a senior adviser to the Cato Institute, former director of FHFA, and the author of Shelter from the Storm: How a Covid Mortgage Meltdown Was Averted.🔔 SUBSCRIBE to our YouTube channel to watch these episodes:    /appraiserelearning✅ NEED APPRAISER CE? We've got you covered: appraiserelearning.com🔥 STAY INFORMED with daily appraisal news and updates on The Appraisal Buzz: appr...2024-09-2410 minBeyond the NumbersBeyond the NumbersEconomics of the Current Real Estate Market with Dr. Mark CalabriaSend us a textWelcome to Beyond the Numbers with McKissock Appraisal. In this insightful episode, we delve deep into the economic forces shaping today’s real estate market. Join us as we welcome special guest Dr. Mark Calabria, Senior Advisor at the Cato Institute and former Chief Economist of the United States. Dr. Calabria brings a wealth of knowledge from his time overseeing housing policy and economic regulation. Together, we explore the key drivers of market fluctuations, the impact of rising interest rates, and what the future holds for buyers, sellers, and investors alike. Whether you're an...2024-09-1320 minWhat\'s Your 1 More?What's Your 1 More?Ep. 180 - Where Do We Go From Here and Where Could We Go NextHow do recent political events impact your financial future? In this episode, Quinton examines the surprising market rally following a turbulent weekend. He shares an interview with a Fannie Mae official who predicts how different presidential administrations might affect the housing market. The episode explores the link between political uncertainty and market behavior, explaining why mortgage rates could drop soon. Quinton also reflects on leadership during challenging times and the importance of unity. Whether you're a homeowner, investor, or simply interested in the economy, this episode offers a clear look at how politics and finance intersect in today's complex...2024-07-1717 minHousingWire DailyHousingWire DailyLogan Mohtashami: Powell’s remarks bode well for lower mortgage ratesOn today’s episode, Editor in Chief Sarah Wheeler talks with Lead Analyst Logan Mohtashami about Powell’s press conference on Monday and HousingWire's interview with Mark Calabria where he talked about housing priorities in a potential second Trump administration.Related to this episode: Mark Calabria on housing and GSE conservatorship under Trump V2 HousingWire | YouTube Enjoy the episode!The HousingWire Daily podcast examines the most compelling articles reported across HW Media. Each morning, we provide our listeners with a deeper look into the stories coming across our newsrooms that are...2024-07-1632 minKeys to Real EstateKeys to Real EstateS1E5 | Navigating the Politics and Policies of Now - Mark CalabriaDr. Mark Calabria, former director of the Federal Housing Finance Agency, a senior advisor at Cato Institute and author of Shelter from the Storm: How a Covid Mortgage Meltdown was Averted, sat down with Mary Schuster at the 2024 National Settlement Services Summit (NS3). The discussion begins with Dr. Calabria describing his background in government, challenges faced, and his core beliefs, principles, and perspectives on government policies and housing sector. You won’t want to miss Dr. Calabria’s view on title insurance alternative products, the future of Frannie Mae and Freddie Mac, and the need to focus on safety and...2024-06-1349 minVotes & VerdictsVotes & VerdictsCalabria on Fannie, Freddie ConservatorshipsWhat’s the path and timeline for Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac to exit conservatorship? How should the Federal Housing Finance Agency’s independence be restored? Did the FHFA exceed its authority in implementing the Fannie-Freddie profit sweep? How should the Basel III Endgame proposal be improved? Do other regulators have problematic work environments like the FDIC? In this episode of the Votes and Verdicts podcast, Bloomberg Intelligence analysts Elliott Stein and Ben Elliott host Mark Calabria, former director of the FHFA and chief economist to former Vice President Mike Pence, to examine these questions and more. They also disc...2024-06-1053 minCato AudioCato AudioMay 2024 Introduction: Caleb O. BrownJennifer Huddleston and David Inserra on government overreach in TechKristin A. Shapiro and Robert Corn-Revere on Section 230 and other cases that impact Murthy v. Missouri and the First AmendmentErec Smith and Senator Eric Schmitt on DEI’s divisive programmingCaleb O. Brown and Mark Calabria on the fundamental problem of housing policyExclusive: Alexander Hammond on Hammond’s new book, Heroes of Progress Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.2024-05-011h 10Banking with InterestBanking with InterestKlein vs. Calabria Round 2: How to Solve the Housing CrisisAaron Klein, senior fellow at the Brookings Institution, and Mark Calabria, former director of the Federal Housing Finance Agency, debate the best way to address the housing crisis, as well as the dangers of politicizing banking regulation, whether the Fed is too worried about consensus, if the central bank is secretly working on a central bank digital currency and who should play The Sphere next. 2024-04-1736 minBanking with InterestBanking with InterestCalabria vs. Klein Round 1: Bank Rescues, Fed Playing Politics, Liquidity FixesMark Calabria, former director of the Federal Housing Finance Agency, and Aaron Klein, senior fellow at the Brookings Institution, discuss how politics factors into the Fed’s monetary policy decisions, decry the rescue of uninsured depositors last year, debate how to fix liquidity rules and weigh in on revamping the FHLBs.2024-04-1040 minFuture of FreedomFuture of FreedomMark A. Calabria & Mary L. G. Theroux: How Should Homelessness Be Addressed?On this episode of Future of Freedom, host Scot Bertram is joined by two guests with different viewpoints regarding our approach to the homelessness crisis. First on the show is Mark A. Calabria, a senior advisor to the Cato Institute. Later, we hear from Mary L. G. Theroux, Chairman of the Board of Directors and Chief Executive Officer of the Independent Institute. You can find Mark on X, formerly Twitter, at @MarkCalabria and Mary at @MaryTheroux1. Support this podcast: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/future-of-freedom/support 2024-03-2735 minCato PodcastCato PodcastThe President Proposes a Homeowner HandoutSubsidizing both the buying and selling of homes in a seller's market means most of the subsidy will be absorbed by sellers. Mark Calabria explains why the President's plan won't create much new housing and offers some better ways to help Americans secure affordable housing. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.2024-03-1811 minWhat the MWhat the MEpisode 32 - Mark CalabriaThe 32nd episode of “What the M” features Mark Calabria. Mark is an author, advisor, economist, and the former Director of the Federal Housing Finance Agency (FHFA). Mark received his BA in Economics, as well as his PHD in Economics, from George Mason University. He then worked as a Senior Staff Member for the Senate Committee on Banking, Housing and Urban Affairs. From 2009 to 2017, he was the Director of Financial Regulation Studies at the Cato Institute. From 2017 through 2019, he was the Chief Economist to the Vice President of the United States. In 2019, he became the Director of the F...2024-03-1539 minMoody\'s Talks - Inside EconomicsMoody's Talks - Inside EconomicsBonus Episode: Divergence to ConvergenceInside Economics welcomes back Mark Calabria, the former director of the Federal Housing Finance Agency. We discuss the current housing affordability crisis and what policymakers should do to address it, the FHFA’s response to the COVID-19 pandemic, and the risks posed by nonbank mortgage companies. The group also takes up the role of the Federal Home Loan Banks. Plenty of debate, and even some agreement.For more info on Mark CalabriaFor more info on Mark Calabria's book, Shelter from the Storm, click hereFollow Mark Zandi @MarkZandi, Cris deRitis @MiddleWayEcon, and Ma...2024-02-231h 11SitusAMC\'s On The HillSitusAMC's On The HillEp 26: Mark Calabria, Former FHFA DirectorTim Rood speaks with Mark Calabria, Former Director of the Federal Housing Finance Agency (FHFA), about policy trends in the year ahead and his new book, "Shelter from the Storm: How a COVID Mortgage Meltdown Was Averted."2024-01-0853 minLet People ProsperLet People ProsperDid Mike Pence Avert a Housing Crisis During Lockdowns? His Former Chief Economist ExplainsEpisode 77 is with Dr. Mark Calabria, former chief economist for former Vice President Mike Pence, senior advisor at The Cato Institute, and author of “Shelter from the Storm: How a COVID Mortgage Meltdown Was Averted.” Today, we discuss: 1) Mark's lessons learned from working as Former Vice President Mike Pence's chief economist; 2) How he helped the nation avert a mortgage crisis during COVID and issues with pandemic policies and their ongoing impacts; and 3) Why 2019's economy was so successful and how to improve the state and federal governments in 2024. Check out Mark's book: https://www.cato.org/books/shelter-storm Please share...2024-01-0134 minNew Books in FinanceNew Books in FinanceGSEs, Financial Regulation, Fiscal Policy and Monetary PolicyMark Calabria (Former FHFA Director and Cato Senior Advisor) joins the podcast to discuss his tenure as director of the FHFA (Federal Housing Finance Agency), his legacy of creating a capital rule for the GSEs which remains in place, financial regulation in wake of the global financial crisis, as well as fiscal and monetary policy amid the recent surge in inflation following the COVID-19 pandemic.  Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoicesSupport our show by becoming a premium member! https://newbooksnetwork.supportingcast.fm/finance2023-10-091h 05Arch MIArch MIPolicyCast: Mark Calabria: Do Fannie and Freddie Still Matter?Mark Calabria returns to the Arch MI PolicyCast for a discussion on the benefits of risk-based pricing, whether the GSEs are necessary and what steps are needed to avert a financial meltdown. 2023-09-0718 minArch MIArch MIPolicyCast: How Housing Avoided Disaster during the PandemicIn the first of a two-part episode, Dr. Mark Calabria, former FHFA Director and author of “Shelter from the Storm: How a COVID Mortgage Meltdown Was Averted,” discusses how his experiences during the Great Recession shaped his response to the pandemic and his involvement with policymakers to protect homeowners and renters. 2023-07-0519 minNearest And Dearest Podcast - Bridging Family DynamicsNearest And Dearest Podcast - Bridging Family DynamicsDiscovering My Italian Roots - Part 3Hello! 👋 send me a text message! Tell me what your thoughts 💭 are about this episode Come along, as I journey into the heart of my Italian heritage, starting at the Guardia Piemonte's Cultural Center.  Surrounded by the rich traditions protected by the dedicated local ladies, I was able to leave a mark in the form of a guest book signature and heartfelt donation. But the journey didn't stop there; with the guidance of Agostino, I ventured to Fagnano Castello Municipality, tracing my roots through the pages of old records. This heartfelt exploration promises to offer a deepe...2023-06-3020 min