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Life After MinistryMinistry Transitions Nobody Prepares You For (featuring Tim Stevens)Every ministry transition comes with both a push and a pull. Sometimes you’re drawn toward a new calling. Other times you simply know you can’t stay.
For Tim Stevens, those moments have shaped four decades of leadership in the church - and given him a front-row seat to hundreds of leaders navigating their own endings and beginnings.
In this conversation, Tim shares candidly about untangling his identity from the church he helped build, why pastors often stay too long, and how to navigate the grief and uncertainty that come with leaving.
From d...
2025-08-1936 min
Life After MinistryAbsolute Best Practices of Nonprofit Boards (featuring Dr. Michael Anthony)What if the health of your ministry depends more on your board than you think? Dr. Michael Anthony has spent 40 years in boardrooms - as a member, chair, consultant, and C-suite leader - and he’s seen what works and what breaks ministries apart.
In this candid conversation, Dr. Anthony unpacks common mistakes boards make, the unseen cost of poor governance, and the simple practices that lead to longevity and mission health.
From defining lanes to using a “log of motions,” from succession planning to EQ, he explains why leadership transitions succeed - or fail - long...
2025-08-121h 01
Life After MinistryPositioned for This: Succession, Calling, and the Next Chapter (featuring Ron Henry)What happens when a leader transitions not just into a new role - but into their calling?
In this episode, Matt Davis introduces Ron Henry, the newly appointed Chief Succession Officer at Ministry Transitions. Ron brings decades of experience in executive placement and career development, but his deeper calling?
Helping leaders find where God wants them next.
This isn’t just a career conversation - it’s a soul-level journey.
Ron shares raw stories of failure, fear, and faith, revealing what makes a transition succeed or fall apart.
Whether you're f...
2025-08-0529 min
Life After MinistryBalancing the Business Brain and the Pastoral Heart (featuring Dave Fletcher)What do scuba diving, salary spreadsheets, and severance packages have in common? According to David Fletcher - everything.
In this episode, Matt sits down with the founder of xPastor and longtime executive pastor, David Fletcher, to talk about the messy, complicated, and deeply human work of leadership transitions in the church.
They unpack the real cost of bad transitions - not just in dollars, but in broken trust.
Dave shares stories from his 30+ years in ministry, including firing people he loved, navigating church politics without losing his soul, and why a generous severance mi...
2025-07-2935 min
Life After Ministry"Ministry Didn't End, It Just Moved" (featuring Josh Taylor)What if the scariest thing about leaving ministry wasn’t the loss of your job - but the loss of your identity?
In this episode, Matt sits down with Josh Taylor, former executive pastor turned chief marketing officer, who opens up about what it’s really like to step off the platform and into the unknown.
From twelve years of trusted leadership in a growing church to a surprising turn through a university layoff and a marketing agency for car washes, Josh’s story is full of quiet pivots, faithful risk-taking, and unexpected grace.
But th...
2025-07-2236 min
Life After MinistryFaithly and the Future of Ministry Connection (featuring Alicia Lee)Alicia Lee didn’t leave ministry. She left Wall Street.
After nearly two decades at Goldman Sachs, Alicia was managing a massive trading floor and rubbing shoulders with IPO titans. She loved the fast pace. She was good at it.
And then God pulled the plug. A missed promotion became a divine pivot - and what followed was not a sabbatical, but a startup.
In this episode, we dive deep into Alicia’s unlikely journey from investment banking to launching Faithly, a digital ecosystem for ministry leaders - built not to replace community, but t...
2025-07-1535 min
Life After MinistryRedeployed, Not Retired (featuring Jon Talbert)What do you do when ministry success comes at the cost of your soul?
In this episode, we sit down with Jon Talbert - pastor, coach, and co-founder of Forte - to talk about the quiet unraveling that often happens behind the scenes in leadership.
Jon has led at the highest levels of church and nonprofit work, but somewhere along the way, he realized he was losing himself in the process. What followed wasn’t a dramatic exit - but a deliberate shift. A reckoning. A redefinition of calling.
If you’ve ever quest...
2025-07-0851 min
Life After MinistryThe Way of Interruption (featuring Bill Simmons)Bill Simmons thought he was in control - until a child soldier in the Congo held him at gunpoint. In that moment, as the AK-47 clicked into place, Bill realized the terrifying truth: control was an illusion.
Years later, as the CEO of a global nonprofit, he faced a different kind of pressure - leading an organization, carrying the weight of a mission, and pushing through exhaustion.
But this time, the gun wasn’t in someone else’s hands. It was the slow, creeping pressure of burnout, and it was just as dangerous.
In th...
2025-03-1841 min
Life After MinistryCan You Lead While Struggling? (featuring Matthew & Joanna Raabsmith)Matthew had been hiding a secret for years. A secret that was growing, festering, and slowly creating a wedge in his marriage.
He was a pastor. A leader. A man who thought he had it under control - until he didn’t. Until Joanna asked him the one question he had spent years avoiding.
In that moment, everything unraveled. Their marriage. Their ministry. The future they had planned.
What do you do when the thing you're struggling with is the very thing you’re called to help others with? When the shame is suffo...
2025-03-1133 min
Life After MinistryThe Kingdom Principle of Transformational Suffering (featuring Bryan Elliott)What do you do when life shatters around you?
When everything you built - your family, your future, your faith - feels like it’s slipping through your fingers?
Bryan Elliott knows suffering intimately.
A tragic accident left his brother in a vegetative state.
Addiction nearly destroyed his daughters.
A brutal murder stole one of them forever.
His businesses collapsed.
His marriages unraveled.
His world should have crushed him.
But it didn’t.
Instead, Bryan woke up the morning after his d...
2025-02-1850 min
Life After MinistryA New Conversation on Collective Church Trauma (featuring Kayleigh Clark)Episode Summary
The church is supposed to be a place of healing. But what happens when it’s the source of the hurt?
Too often, we hear stories of toxic leadership, forced terminations, and broken congregations. And yet, no one wants to talk about it - not in the pulpit, not in the pews. The result? Wounds that never heal, pastors who burn out, and churches stuck in cycles of dysfunction.
In this episode, we sit down with Kayleigh Clark from Restor(y)to talk about church trauma, spiritual abuse, and the path toward real hea...
2025-02-1140 min
Life After MinistryCoached Off Staff: Seeking Reconciliation After Transition (featuring Jonathan Carone)Stepping out of ministry can feel like stepping into a free fall. For Jonathan Carone, leaving his church staff role wasn’t just a career transition—it was a journey of unraveling identity, reconciling relationships, and rediscovering purpose. In this episode of Life After Ministry, Jonathan shares his raw and honest story of being “coached off staff,” the lessons he learned in untangling his vocation from his identity, and how he found his way to thriving outside the walls of the church.
Jonathan’s story is one of heartbreak and healing, tension and transformation. Whether you’re wrestling wi...
2025-02-0438 min
Life After MinistryWhy Culture Matters (featuring Jenni Catron)Episode Summary
What if the missing piece to a thriving ministry isn’t more strategy or programs but healthier culture? In this episode of Life After Ministry, we dive deep with Jenni Catron, a renowned culture coach, to uncover the secret sauce behind teams that thrive.
Together, we explore how great leaders don’t leave culture to chance - they build it with clarity and intention.
Jenni shares her personal journey from working in the record industry to executive church leadership and why culture became her passion. She opens up about her “aha moment” of realizing...
2025-01-2255 min
Life After MinistrySeason 3 Finale: What We Have Learned About Transition (featuring Bill Tom & Noe Rivera)Episode Summary:
In this special episode of the Life After Ministry Podcast, Matt Davis, Bill Tom, and Noe Rivera - the founders of Pastoral Transitions - take listeners behind the scenes of their work, sharing insights into the emotional and practical challenges pastors face during ministry transitions.
From navigating grief and burnout to finding new career paths and healing spiritually, this conversation sheds light on the complexities of pastoral life after ministry. They explore how churches can handle transitions with love, care, and intentionality, and they share hopeful stories of pastors finding new beginnings.
This...
2024-12-1240 min
Life After MinistryNew Soil, New Roots - Part Two (featuring Brian Fisher)Why is it that modern churches seem so successful in introducing people to Jesus but struggle to lead them into a life of true transformation?
Brian Fisher doesn’t hold back as he has done a deep dive on how there is something missing in the church experience: a failure to address the deeper stages of discipleship.
Drawing from his own journey through loss, reflection, and rebuilding, Brian shares his vision for a radically different approach: smaller, intimate communities focused on spiritual formation instead of surface-level engagement.
In this episode, Brian and Matt di...
2024-11-2228 min
Life After MinistryNew Soil, New Roots - Part One (featuring Brian Fisher)What Happens When Ministry Ends?
What do you do when the life you built for the kingdom - your identity, your mission, your livelihood - gets ripped away without explanation?
For Brian Fisher, founder of a thriving pro-life nonprofit that saved over 18,000 lives, the answer wasn’t immediate. In 2020, he and his wife were forced out of the ministry they built. Their possessions came home in cardboard boxes, and their community turned silent.
In this raw and honest episode, Brian reflects on the crushing loneliness and profound disorientation that followed. But this isn’t just his...
2024-11-1927 min
Life After MinistryWhat's Your Story? (featuring Wes Gay)For more information about the work we do at Pastoral Transitions, visit us at https://pastoraltransitions.com/
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Learn more about the great work Wes Gay is doing through StoryBrand by going to: https://www.wesgay.com/
Episode Summary
Imagine being just weeks away from your wedding and finding out through a third party that you've been fired from your church. This is exactly what happened to Wes Gay.
In this episode of Life After Ministry, host Matt Davis and guest Wes Gay dive...
2024-11-0541 min
Life After MinistryWhat Happens After The Last Service? (featuring Matt McGee)For more information about the work we do at Pastoral Transitions, visit us at https://pastoraltransitions.com/
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Learn about the great work Matt McGee is doing through "The Last Service Podcast" by going to: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-last-service-podcast/id1491573751
Episode Summary
Imagine standing at the pulpit after your last sermon, knowing it's not just the end of a service, but the end of your ministry journey at that church. What happens next?
In this episode of Life After Ministry, Matt...
2024-10-2944 min
Life After MinistryInside The Ministry Job Market (featuring Jordan Whilden)For more information about the work we do at Pastoral Transitions, visit us at https://pastoraltransitions.com/
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Learn more about the great work Jordan Whilden is doing through MinistryHub by going to: https://ministryhub.org/
Episode Summary
What happens when you step away from the calling you’ve always known and venture into the unknown?
Jordan Whilden found himself at that crossroads, leaving behind nearly a decade of church ministry for an uncertain future in the marketplace.
But this episode of Li...
2024-10-2226 min
Life After MinistryWhen The Bottom Falls Out (featuring Jeremy Stalnecker)For more information about the work we do at Pastoral Transitions, visit us at https://pastoraltransitions.com/
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Learn more about the great work Jeremy Stalnecker is doing through the Mighty Oaks Foundation by going to: https://www.mightyoaksprograms.org/
Episode Summary
Imagine coming home from leading Marines on the battlefield in Iraq, only to feel lost and frustrated while trying to get church volunteers to clean a bathroom.
The intensity and mission-driven focus of war collide with the quieter challenges of...
2024-10-1533 min
Life After MinistryPrioritizing Mental and Emotional Well-being in Ministry (featuring John Opalewski)For more information about the work we do at Pastoral Transitions, visit us at https://pastoraltransitions.com/
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Learn more about the great work John Opalewski is doing at Converge Coaching by going to: https://convergecoach.com/
Episode Summary
Imagine achieving what seems like ministry success on the outside - leading a growing church, serving a vibrant congregation - while internally battling crippling anxiety, sleepless nights, and the haunting thought of leaving it all behind.
In this episode of Life After Ministry, Matt Dav...
2024-10-0841 min
Life After MinistryThere Is No "Everything Pastor" (featuring David Robinson)For more information about the work we do at Pastoral Transitions, visit us at https://pastoraltransitions.com/
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Learn more about the great work David Robinson is doing at Coaching 4 Marketplace by going to: https://coachdaverobinson.com/
What if you dedicated decades of your life to ministry only to discover the role you've been striving to fulfill doesn't align with your true calling?
In this episode of Life After Ministry, Matt sits down with David Robi...
2024-10-0131 min
Life After MinistryIs There Life After Divorce? (featuring Kathey Batey)For more information about the work we do at Pastoral Transitions, visit us at https://pastoraltransitions.com/
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Learn more about the great work Kathey Batey is doing at Divorce Support Anonymous by going to: https://divorcesupportanonymous.com/
Episode Summary
Imagine walking into your church with a heart heavy from a broken marriage, unsure how your faith community will respond. The weight of shame, guilt, and fear can feel unbearable.
This episode of Life After Ministry dives int...
2024-09-2732 min
Life After MinistryFlourishing In Ministry (featuring Chris Adams)For more information about the work we do at Pastoral Transitions, visit us at https://pastoraltransitions.com/
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In this episode of Life After Ministry, Chris Adams, Executive Director of Flourishing in Ministry, takes us deep into the heart of one of the biggest challenges pastors face today—burnout. With pastors feeling pulled in every direction, post-pandemic pressures, political polarization, and toxic church dynamics, how can they stay healthy and truly flourish? Chris shares his own background as a third-generation pastor and h...
2024-09-1135 min
Soil and RootsEp 106: This Beautiful Mess w/ Matt DavisBrian is joined by Matt Davis, former megachurch pastor and now head of an organization committed to helping leaders and laypeople heal and find purpose after church
hurt.
In a wide-ranging conversation, they discuss and debate several key questions about the modern church:
Do the power structures that so often characterize our churches help or hurt?
Is the assumed role of the modern pastor what the Bible envisions for a pastor?
How often is the institution valued over and above the needs of the individual?
If we go to a church where we remain lost in the...
2024-09-101h 06
Life After MinistryThe Disciple Dilemma (featuring Dennis Allen)For more information about the work we do at Pastoral Transitions, visit us at https://pastoraltransitions.com/
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In Episode 34 of Life After Ministry, Dennis Allen, author of The Disciple Dilemma, shares his journey from a military and corporate background to addressing one of the most significant crises in the church today: the failure of discipleship. Dennis discusses how the church has shifted from making disciples to prioritizing institutional success, leading to widespread disengagement, de-churching, and a broken model of ministry. Dra...
2024-09-0232 min
Life After MinistryThis Dream Is Not For You (featuring Wade Joye)For more information about the work we do at Pastoral Transitions, visit us at https://pastoraltransitions.com/
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What do you do when God asks you to let go of the dream you’ve built your life around? Wade Joye, former worship leader at Elevation Church, shares his personal story of facing that very question. We talk about the book he wrote: This Dream Is Not For You. In this episode of Life After Ministry, Wade opens up about the moment Pasto...
2024-08-2633 min
Life After MinistryThe Measure of a Ministry (featuring Gene Getz) - Part 2For more information about the work we do at Pastoral Transitions, visit us at https://pastoraltransitions.com/
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What happens when pastors hang on too long or find themselves suddenly cut off from ministry?
In part two of our conversation with Gene Getz on Life After Ministry, we tackle this crucial issue head-on. With over 50 years in ministry and 20 years post-succession, Gene offers practical wisdom on how to prepare for life after ministry, including avoiding bitterness, maintaining humility, and fin...
2024-08-2327 min
Life After MinistryThe Measure of a Ministry (featuring Gene Getz) - Part 1For more information about the work we do at Pastoral Transitions, visit us at https://pastoraltransitions.com/
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What happens when a pastor knows it’s time to pass the baton?
How do you handle transitions with grace, humility, and purpose?
As we kick off this episode and a new season of Life After Ministry, we dive deep into these questions with none other than Gene Getz - a man who pastored for decades and transitioned out in a...
2024-08-1831 min
Life After Ministry8 Things Ministry Leaders Need In Transition (featuring Matt & Marilee Davis)For more information about the work we do at Pastoral Transitions, visit us at https://pastoraltransitions.com/
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Summary
In this episode, Matt and Marilee Davis discuss eight things that ministry leaders need in their transition out of ministry. These include consistent community support, affirmation of personal integrity and worth, financial guidance and support, spousal and family support, professional development and coaching opportunities, legal and administrative support, access to solid Christian therapy, and spiritual direction and guidance. They emphasize the...
2024-06-1031 min
Life After MinistryI'm Not Dying In The Pulpit (featuring Dr. Toney Parks)For more information about the work we do at Pastoral Transitions, visit us at https://pastoraltransitions.com/
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Summary
In this conversation, Pastor Toney Parks shares his journey from an unlikely candidate to becoming a pastor and his experiences growing up in Birmingham. He discusses the influence of Martin Luther King Jr. and the importance of community in the black church. Pastor Parks reflects on his 32 years of pastoring a church and the decision to retire. He emphasizes the nee...
2024-04-2349 min
Life After MinistryTrusting The Good Shepherd (featuring Jon Morrison)For more information about the work we do at Pastoral Transitions, visit us at https://pastoraltransitions.com/
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Summary
Jon Morrison shares his journey from vocational ministry to entrepreneurship. He discusses his call to ministry, the catalyst that brought him out of ministry, and the challenges he faced during the scrambling season. Jon emphasizes the transferable skills that pastors possess and how they can be applied in the marketplace. He shares his own experiences in entrepreneurship and highlights the ble...
2024-04-2039 min
Life After MinistryHope, Healing, and Health After Ministry (featuring Alan Ramsey)For more information about the work we do at Pastoral Transitions, visit us at https://pastoraltransitions.com/
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Summary
Alan Ramsey shares his journey of transitioning out of vocational ministry and into a new career. He discusses the challenges and emotions he faced during this transition, as well as the support he received from his church leadership. Alan highlights the transferable skills he gained from ministry and how they apply to his current role as a corporate chaplain. He emp...
2024-03-2734 min
Life After MinistryThe Wilderness Paradox (featuring Ian & Sharalee Smith)For more information about the work we do at Pastoral Transitions, visit us at https://pastoraltransitions.com/
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Summary
In this conversation, Ian and Sharalee Smith share their journey of transitioning in and out of ministry and the lessons they have learned along the way. They discuss the decision to have six children and the challenges and blessings of raising a large family. They also talk about living in the wilderness and the importance of trusting God in uncertain tim...
2024-03-2143 min
Life After MinistryForfeiting Your Soul In Ministry (featuring Shawn & Sonny Hennessy)For more information about the work we do at Pastoral Transitions, visit us at https://pastoraltransitions.com/
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Summary
This conversation explores the challenges and struggles faced by pastors and their families in ministry. The guests, Shawn and Sonny Hennessy, share their personal journey of leaving ministry and finding restoration. They discuss the need for emotional growth, the systemic issues within the church, and the importance of creating a culture of vulnerability. They also highlight their work in providing a r...
2024-03-1245 min
Life After MinistryMinistry Is Not Defined By Who Signs Your Paycheck (featuring Michael Shafer)For more information about the work we do at Pastoral Transitions, visit us at https://pastoraltransitions.com/
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Summary
Dr. Michael Shafer shares his journey of transitioning out of full-time ministry and starting G6 Allies, a ministry that supports pastors and church leaders. He discusses the challenges he faced, including being blindsided by his termination and the impact it had on his family. Despite the difficulties, he found healing and purpose in helping other pastors and their families through G6...
2024-03-1033 min
Life After MinistryChoosing Discomfort (featuring Dane Sanders)For more information about the work we do at Pastoral Transitions, visit us at https://pastoraltransitions.com/
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Summary
Dane Sanders shares his journey from vocational ministry to his current work with Men and Women of Discomfort. He discusses the challenges faced in vocational ministry and the need for better transitions and support within the Christian community.
Dane explains the concept of Men and Women of Discomfort, a program that focuses on intentional discomfort to foster personal gro...
2024-03-101h 11
Life After MinistryMinistry In The Military (featuring Chaplain Jordan Huggins)For more information about the work we do at Pastoral Transitions, visit us at https://pastoraltransitions.com/
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Summary
In this episode of the Life After Ministry podcast, titled "Ministry In The Military," we explore a path that many pastors might not have considered: becoming a military chaplain. Our guest, Chaplain Jordan Huggins, shares his firsthand experience serving in both the US Air Force and Space Force. For pastors wrestling with "what's next?" Jordan's journey offers a compelling glimpse int...
2024-02-2118 min
Life After MinistryEssential Conversations For Your Board (featuring Dr. Dee Dee Mayer)For more information about the work we do at Pastoral Transitions, visit us at https://pastoraltransitions.com/
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Summary
Dr. Dee Dee Mayer discusses the importance of board governance within the church and the need for training and support for governing boards. She shares her research on the role of elder boards in supporting wellness in pastoral leadership and the challenges they face. Dr. Mayer emphasizes the importance of selecting board members based on spiritual maturity and creating a cul...
2024-02-1333 min
Life After MinistryThe Wounded Pastor (featuring Dr. Matthew Tanner)For more information about the work we do at Pastoral Transitions, visit us at https://pastoraltransitions.com/
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Summary
It’s the reason we started the Life After Ministry podcast: the distressing experiences of leadership figures within the ministry who've faced the severe blow of unjust terminations or forced resignations. Join us as we explore this crucial topic with Dr. Matthew Tanner, founder of Wounded Leadership, an organization committed to offering restoration and healing for these traumatized leaders.
Sta...
2024-02-0633 min
Life After MinistryGod Doesn't Waste Pain (featuring Dillon Fawcett)For more information about the work we do at Pastoral Transitions, visit us at https://pastoraltransitions.com/
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Summary
In this episode of the "Life After Ministry" podcast, Dillon Fawcett candidly shares his unique journey, transitioning from pastoral ministry and his entry point into the world of mental health counseling. With honesty and vulnerability, Dillon opens up about the ups and downs he experienced, the transitions that challenged him, and the invaluable lessons he's learned. His story is a pow...
2024-01-2940 min
Life After MinistryCultivating Bravery In Transition (featuring BrianJames & Michelle McMahon)For more information about the work we do at Pastoral Transitions, visit us at https://pastoraltransitions.com/
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Summary
This conversation explores the experiences of Brian James and Michelle McMahon as they transitioned out of vocational ministry and created safe spaces for pastors and church leaders. They discuss the challenges of being in ministry, the importance of vulnerability and authenticity, and the need for safe and supportive communities.
The conversation also touches on the role of female pas...
2024-01-2352 min
Life After MinistryTransitions In The African American Church (featuring J. Ricardo Smith)For more information about the work we do at Pastoral Transitions, visit us at https://pastoraltransitions.com/
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Summary
In this episode, Matt Davis interviews J. Ricardo Smith at the Classic City Conference in Athens, Georgia. They discuss the purpose and origins of the conference, the state of the black church post-COVID, the challenges of identity and transition in ministry, finding hope and help in difficult seasons, planning for the future of the conference, and the importance of mental hea...
2024-01-1619 min
Life After MinistryRefined By The Fire(d) (featuring Kyle & Maria Isabelli)For more information about the work we do at Pastoral Transitions, visit us at https://pastoraltransitions.com/
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Summary
Kyle and Maria Isabelli share their experience of being fired from their church ministry and the emotional impact it had on them. They discuss the process of being let go, the loss they felt, and the journey of healing and finding purpose again. Kyle wrote a book titled 'Refined by the Fired' to help others who have gone through similar exp...
2024-01-1035 min
Life After MinistryWhat Have We Learned? (Season One Recap)For more information about the work we do at Pastoral Transitions, visit us at https://pastoraltransitions.com/
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Summary
As we wrap up an incredible first season of the "Life After Ministry" podcast, join us, Matt and Marilee Davis, in reflecting on the profound insights and heartwarming stories we've encountered. This journey hasn't just been about sharing stories - it's been a path of personal growth and unexpected joy for us too. Here are some pivotal takeaways that have res...
2023-12-3031 min
Life After MinistryWhen Heartbreak Redefines Ministry (featuring Clayton Stenson)For more information about the work we do at Pastoral Transitions, visit us at https://pastoraltransitions.com/
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Summary
Clayton Stenson shares his journey of transitioning from ministry to a new career and finding hope and purpose in life after ministry. He discusses his background in ministry, the challenges he faced, and the support he received during a difficult time of grief and loss. Clayton also highlights the transferable skills he gained from his ministry experience and how they hav...
2023-12-2327 min
Life After MinistryA Calling Greater Than Ministry (featuring Thom Van Dycke)For more information about the work we do at Pastoral Transitions, visit us at https://pastoraltransitions.com/
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Summary
Tom Dyke shares his journey from ministry to starting his own business. He discusses his background in Manitoba, Canada, and his various roles in ministry, including being a youth pastor and overseeing family ministries. Tom initiated his departure from ministry due to challenges within the church and found a new calling in marketing and storytelling. He shares his financial success in...
2023-12-1932 min
The Jewish Road PodcastSpeak To The Heart Of Jerusalem with Candyce HyslipDo you feel worn down? There's lots of places and opportunities to feel it. The politics, the divisions, the world situation, the wars, the rumors of wars, the devastation and hatred we see on every screen we face - it's all there.
In this episode, Matt & Marilee Davis sit down with Candyce Hyslip to look into the recent turmoil in Israel following the Hamas attacks and the distressing rise of anti-Semitism. What does it look like to pray and the significance of being physically and emotionally present for those enduring suffering. The truth is, two months into...
2023-12-1347 min
Life After MinistryGrieving Our Own Losses (featuring Dan Broyles)For more information about the work we do at Pastoral Transitions, visit us at https://pastoraltransitions.com/
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Summary:
In this episode, Pastor Dan Broyles discusses the challenges pastors face when seeking counseling and the importance of grieving their own losses. He also highlights the need for pastors to connect with others outside their church community and provides hope for those in times of transition.
Our guest, Dan Broyles, wears two significant hats – that of a Care Pasto...
2023-12-1120 min
Life After MinistryCan Pastors Be Entrepreneurs? (featuring Jon Sanders)For more information about the work we do at Pastoral Transitions, visit us at https://pastoraltransitions.com/
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In this conversation, Jon Sanders shares his journey from being a pastor to transitioning into a new season of ministry. He discusses the calling that led him into ministry and the challenges he faced along the way. Jon also explores the concept of bi-vocational ministry and the role of entrepreneurs in the church. He encourages pastors to embrace their unique gifts and explore new opportunities outside of traditional min...
2023-12-0940 min
Life After MinistryDon’t Burn Out, Burn Bright (featuring Jonathan Malm)For more information about the work we do at Pastoral Transitions, visit us at https://pastoraltransitions.com/
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In this episode of the Life After Ministry podcast, we tackle a critical issue that often serves as a catalyst for pastoral transitions: burnout. While our mission at Pastoral Transitions is to support ministry leaders in their journey out of ministry, we're equally passionate about preventing burnout to keep our church leaders healthy, strong, and vibrant.
Joining us is Jonathan Malm, co...
2023-11-3031 min
Life After MinistryFacing And Forgiving Those Who Hurt You (featuring Ryan and Lindsay Gentles)
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In "Facing And Forgiving Those Who Hurt You," the ninth episode of the Life After Ministry podcast, we’re invited into the world of Ryan and Lindsay Gentles. It's a tale of closing a decade-long chapter in ministry, of navigating farewells that feel more like eulogies than celebrations, and the struggle to exit gracefully without the dramatics of a "Jerry Maguire" moment.
Wha...
2023-11-141h 01
Life After MinistryWhen Elders Initiate Transition (featuring Gary Weaber)For more information about the work we do at Pastoral Transitions, visit us at https://pastoraltransitions.com/
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In Episode 8, we sit down with Gary Weaber, who poured his heart into pastoral ministry for over three and a half decades. Imagine, after 36 dedicated years, facing a conversation with your elders about stepping down from your teaching role.
Most pastors dread this talk, fearing miscommunication, hurt, and the potential fallout that could affect the congregation.
Yet, Gary's story shi...
2023-10-2813 min
Life After MinistryThe Difference Between Hurt & Injury (featuring Shane McDonald)
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Just mentioning "church hurt" will hit home for many of you. It’s baffling. The very place we'd expect to find solace and healing often turns out to be a source of deep wounds. If this resonates with you, you're not alone, and this episode is a must-listen.
Our guest, Shane McDonald, a licensed mental health counselor and former pastor, knows all t...
2023-10-1021 min
Life After MinistryTransition Can Be ’Brutiful’ (featuring Justin and Amanda McNeil)For more information about the work we do at Pastoral Transitions, visit us at https://pastoraltransitions.com/
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We sat down with Justin and Amanda McNeil at the American Association of Christian Counselors conference, and their story is nothing short of compelling.
What sets their story apart is its testament to the notion that transitions out of vocational ministry don't have to be filled with negativity or go horribly wrong. In fact, their journey illustrates that even the most com...
2023-09-2619 min
Life After MinistryPain Is A Teacher (featuring Gary & Lisa Black)For more information about the work we do at Pastoral Transitions, visit us at https://pastoraltransitions.com/
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In Episode 5, "Pain Is A Teacher," we sit down with the inspiring couple, Gary & Lisa Black, to discuss the transformative power of enduring life's toughest transitions.
From losing a spouse and a child to navigating numerous shifts in ministry, Gary and Lisa have amassed a wealth of wisdom that they generously share in this episode.
Their story is a tes...
2023-09-1636 min
Life After MinistryThe Holy Mess Of Pastoral Transitions (featuring Josh Harris)For more information about the work we do at Pastoral Transitions, visit us at https://pastoraltransitions.com/
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Episode 4 of the Life After Ministry Podcast is a replay of a conversation Matt Davis had on Josh Harris's podcast, "Clear and Loud."
Entitled "The Holy Mess of Pastoral Transitions," this episode dives deep into the complexities that come with leaving a role in ministry.
With over two decades of experience as a Teaching and Executive Pastor, Matt shares the...
2023-09-1548 min
Life After MinistryYour Mental Health After Ministry (featuring Noe Rivera)For more information about the work we do at Pastoral Transitions, visit us at https://pastoraltransitions.com/
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In Episode 3 of the Life After Ministry Podcast, we talk to Noe Rivera, a key member of the founding team behind Pastoral Transitions.
Growing up as a pastor's kid, Noe intimately understands the emotional toll that ministry transitions can take on families.
Titled "Mental Health After Ministry," this episode dives into Noe's missionary years and the shifts that followed, lay...
2023-09-1439 min
Life After MinistryHow To Figure Out Your Career After Ministry (featuring Bill Tom)For more information about the work we do at Pastoral Transitions, visit us at https://pastoraltransitions.com/
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In Episode 2 of the Life After Ministry Podcast, we sit down with Bill Tom, Founder, CEO, and Chief Ministry Officer of Pastoral Transitions.
With a rich background in career coaching and executive search, Bill offers priceless advice on vocational discernment for those exiting ministry roles.
The episode, aptly titled "How To Figure Out Your Career After Ministry," provides a roadmap for nav...
2023-09-1339 min
Life After MinistryIs there life AFTER ministry?For more information about the work we do at Pastoral Transitions, visit us at https://pastoraltransitions.com/.
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In the inaugural episode of the Life After Ministry Podcast, hosts Matt and Marilee Davis open up about their own journey post-ministry.
With vulnerability, they discuss the challenges and opportunities they encountered as they transitioned into a new career, community, and even way of life.
The episode digs into the complexities of untangling emotional and spiritual intricacies that come with leaving a mi...
2023-09-1231 min
Life After MinistryLife After Ministry - An IntroductionFor more information about the work we do at Pastoral Transitions, visit us at https://pastoraltransitions.com/
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Change is inevitable, especially in our careers.
For those who have devoted their lives to the profound call of ministry, transitioning away can seem not just like a change of job, but a seismic shift in identity and purpose. But it's essential to remember: transitions in ministry can also be immensely positive and lead to vibrant new beginnings. And while there are un...
2023-08-0802 min
GTI Tours Podcast#58 Celebrating Jesus in the Fall Feasts — Interview with Matt Davis, Ron DavisFor the past two decades, Matt Davis has been married to his beautiful wife Marilee (the story of them meeting is fantastic!), and together they have three outstanding kids. Matt is a graduate of BIOLA University and Talbot School of Theology. After serving in a church for the past two decades as a Teaching and Executive Pastor, he started The Jewish Road with his dad (the guy below). One of Matt’s greatest joys in life is bringing families on legacy trips to the Middle East to teach them about the roots of their faith.https://www.th...
2022-10-0649 minGTI Tours Podcast#21 Imparting the Story of God — Interview with Matt DavisMatt Davis is a third-generation Messianic Jew. That means that through blood he is Jewish, but also believes in Jesus as His Jewish Messiah. For more than two decades, Matt has been leading trips to the Middle East, walking ancient paths and creating new memories through countries like Turkey, Egypt, Jordan and Israel. These tours have been with private family groups and large church gatherings where he served as a teaching pastor. Through these experiences, and others like them, Matt has built an extensive network of friendships both here and abroad. Matt recently moved to Lexington, Kentucky with his wif...
2021-02-1828 min