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The Gen X/Z ExchangeIs AI taking our jobs? Gen Z starting out, Gen X being pushed out with Maureen Wiley CloughIs AI replacing jobs before young people even get started - and pushing experienced workers out before they’re ready to finish? And if the old advice to “work harder” no longer works, what does a secure career actually look like now?In this episode, we’re joined by Maureen Wiley Clough, creator of the ‘It Gets Late Early’ podcast and newsletter, to unpack how artificial intelligence is reshaping careers at both ends of working life.Together, we explore the uncomfortable truth that ageism affects every generation - from Gen Z struggling to access entry-level roles increa...
2026-02-2540 min
It Gets Late Early: Ageism in the WorkplaceHow to Build Something New After 40 (Even When It Feels "Too Late")"It's too late for me."I had this worry, but I finally hit publish on my first podcast episode at 40.I thought I'd missed the boat. Everyone else had already started, and I wondered if I was too old to become a creator in an industry that thinks you expire at 35. I was terrified to try something new in public.But here's what I've learned: that "too late" feeling? It's just plain old straight-up fear wearing a really convincing disguise.
2025-12-1652 minIt Gets Late Early: Ageism in the WorkplaceTech Layoffs, Ageism & AI: Is a Tech Career Still Worth It?Tech isn’t just in a downturn. It’s in the midst of a full-blown identity crisis. As layoffs, ageism, and AI reshape the workforce overnight, Brian Pulliam joins me to break down what’s actually happening behind the scenes… and what mid-career professionals must do to stay competitive.Brian, a former tech leader who spent 23 years at companies like Microsoft, Zillow, and Coinbase, joins me to talk about a controversial topic. With tech experiencing year-after-year meltdowns, Brian offers a brutally honest look at whether anyone should still pursue a tech career in 2025–2026....
2025-11-2654 min
Workfluencer: Personal Branding, Authority & Content StrategyFinding Confidence to Create Content Over 40Maureen Wiley-Clough didn’t set out to become a creator. She simply got tired of being called “a dino” in tech — and decided the silence around ageism needed to end. What started as a vulnerable side project became a top-2% podcast, a thriving community, and a message that resonates with anyone who’s felt “too old” to start something new.
In this episode, we get into how Maureen built confidence, hit publish while working in a youth-obsessed industry, and kept going even when no one was watching. We talk about comparison traps, owning your voice, booking big guests before...
2025-11-1752 minIt Gets Late Early: Ageism in the WorkplaceI Paid $48K for Health Insurance and Still Owed $10K—So I Built a SolutionWith mass layoffs hitting tech, media, and corporate America, more professionals over 40 are being forced into freelance work, consulting, and solopreneur life—whether they planned for it or not. And here's a big problem with that: the moment you leave corporate, you lose access to affordable health insurance. Suddenly, you're staring down $4,000/month premiums, sky-high deductibles, and hospital bills that make you wonder what you're even paying for.In today's episode, I sit down with Crystal Jackson—also known as The Real Mrs. Poindexter—a former Intel engineer turned viral content creator with millions of fol...
2025-11-131h 14It Gets Late Early: Ageism in the WorkplaceAI Is Teaching Us to Hate Our Own Faces - Former Google Employee Turned Artist Exposes the TruthEver wondered why AI thinks you need to look younger? In this episode, Gretchen Andrew, a former Google employee turned artist, exposes the disturbing truth about how beauty filters are literally reshaping our faces—and our self-worth.We kick things off with Gretchen's bold pivot from Silicon Valley to the art world, where she's using robots, oil paint, and yes, glitter to reveal what beauty filters actually do to us. Her groundbreaking "FaceTune Portraits" physically apply AI beauty standards to paintings, creating violent scars and marks that show the hidden damage these "harmless" filters in...
2025-10-2854 minIt Gets Late Early: Ageism in the WorkplaceThe Hoodie Myth Is Dead: Why the Best Tech Founders Are Over 40What if everything you thought you knew about startup success was wrong? In today’s episode of It Gets Late Early, I’m breaking down the myth that young, hoodie-wearing entrepreneurs are the key to successful startups. Spoiler: the data proves otherwise. According to MIT research, the average age of a high-growth startup founder is 42 — not 21. The top 1% of founders are even older, typically around 45 years old. Yet, venture capitalists continue to invest in young, inexperienced founders, ignoring the seasoned leaders with decades of experience.I also tackle the growing...
2025-10-1414 minIt Gets Late Early: Ageism in the WorkplaceThe $259B Problem Hiding in Your Meetings — and How to Solve ItMeetings. Ugh. We’ve all been there, right? And the price tag is bigger than most people realize. We estimate that the cost to organizations of these unproductive meetings is approximately $259 billion in the United States and $64 billion in the United Kingdom for professional staff alone (LSE report). That’s a jaw-dropping drain on productivity—yet it’s largely preventable.In today’s episode of It Gets Late Early, I’m joined by Dr. Daniel Jolles, a behavioral scientist and psychologist at the London School of Economics, who’s back for his second appearance. Dr. Jolles and...
2025-09-3042 minIt Gets Late Early: Ageism in the Workplace20% Fake Jobs. 31% Never Hear Back. What Are Companies Doing?Ever applied, interviewed, and…silence? You’re not alone. In this episode, we crack open the hiring black box: the rise of ghost jobs (roles that never close or never existed in the first place), the avalanche of AI-boosted applications, and why 31% of rejected candidates never even get an email. My guest Ariana Moon, VP of Talent Planning & Acquisition at Greenhouse, a software platform managing the hiring process, explains how their Greenhouse Verified badges reward employers who actually walk the talk—communication, fairness, respect, and preparation—so candidates can spot companies that treat people like peop...
2025-09-1640 min
Population NextIs Ageism Holding Your Company Back?Join (for free) the only newsletter breaking down global demographic trends into actionable strategies for your business and your community.Subscribe here → https://populationnext.substack.com/Did you know that 42% of hiring managers admit to having a bias against candidates based solely on their age? In today’s episode, we’re tackling one of the most pervasive and quietly damaging biases in the workplace—ageism. Whether you’re too young to be taken seriously or too old to climb the corporate ladder, ageism is impacting workers across the board. Maureen Wi...
2025-09-0338 minIt Gets Late Early: Ageism in the Workplace70% of the Money. Zero Attention — or Employees. What Are Brands Thinking?Marketers love chasing Gen Z. But here’s the trillions-of-dollars blind spot:Gen X and Boomers control nearly 70% of U.S. disposable income and outspend younger generations in nearly every major category — alcohol, beauty, travel, finance, and more.So why are brands still ignoring them?In this episode, I sit down with Brent Rivard, founder and CEO of Geezer Creative, an agency built on a radical idea: the “forgotten generation” isn’t just relevant — they’re the growth engine brands are missing.We u...
2025-09-0248 minIt Gets Late Early: Ageism in the WorkplaceThe 10% Rule: Why a Little More Vulnerability Can Change Everything With Will GreenblattWhy is it terrifying to present to just four people? According to Will Greenblatt, it's because our brains still think the tribe might "club us over the head" if they don't like what we say.Will's journey from Canadian child actor (yes, a self-proclaimed "nepo baby") to sought-after corporate speaking coach is anything but typical. After working with Anne Bancroft as a kid and nearly getting swept up in the Hollywood machine, a family tragedy and toxic theater school experience led him to completely reinvent himself.But here's what...
2025-08-1950 min
Tide TalksMaureen Wiley Clough: Navigating Nonlinear Career Paths and AgeismIn this conversation, Maureen Wiley Clough shares her nonlinear career journey, emphasizing the importance of taking risks and challenging societal norms, particularly around ageism. She discusses her experiences in the tech industry, the misconceptions surrounding passion-driven careers, and the need for mentorship across generations. Maureen highlights the pervasive nature of ageism and advocates for a shift in how society views aging, stressing the value of those of all ages in the workforce. Maureen Wiley Clough is the creator and host of It Gets Late Early, a podcast and newsletter about the experience of getting o...
2025-08-1140 minIt Gets Late Early: Ageism in the WorkplaceFired and Diagnosed With Cancer: How Daniel Incandela Rebuilt His LifeLosing a job is never easy, but what if it led to a more fulfilling path? Daniel Incandela, former CMO, opens up about the painful yet transformative experience of being fired in his 50s. In this episode, he shares the emotional toll it took, how he navigated the challenges, and the powerful lessons he learned along the way. Today, I sit down with my good friend, Daniel Incandela, who, like many of us, faced the harsh reality of burnout and being let go. His story is one of resilience and transformation. Despite the painful...
2025-08-0539 minIt Gets Late Early: Ageism in the WorkplaceWhat No One Tells You About Personal Branding at Work With Danielle HughesLet’s face it, whether you're looking for a new job, trying to stand out in your current role, or considering a career pivot, building a personality brand is a real game-changer (you read that right. A personality brand, not a personal one). In today’s landscape, you need more than just experience; you need a personality that resonates. In this episode, Danielle Hughes, Chief Personality Officer at More Than Words Marketing, joins me to chat about why creating a personality brand isn’t just about ‘selling’ yourself.Danielle shares tip...
2025-07-2239 min
To Lead Is HumanAnniversary Replay: Leading Through Imposter Syndrome (Maureen O'Connor)In this special replay from two years ago, Dr. Maureen O'Connor talks about her academic leadership, dealing with imposter syndrome, and the role of shared governance. She also explores the balance between being liked and respected as a leader, plus adapting leadership styles to different audiences.Welcome to To Lead Is Human. This show helps you up-level your leadership to shape cultures of accountability, respect, and candor in your organization. “People start to feel this so-called impostor syndrome because the people who set the path set standards that worked for them. And if you set...
2025-07-0947 minIt Gets Late Early: Ageism in the WorkplaceThe AI Industry Is Lying to You — And This Founder’s Calling It Out at Age 66Is AI living up to the hype, or is it just another overblown bubble that’s gonna pop? In this episode, Stephen Klein, a 66-year-old AI founder who is challenging the status quo in the world of artificial intelligence, joins me to expose what he believes is the truth about AI, from inflated promises to the real potential it holds for augmenting human intelligence. Trust me, this is what you won’t be hearing in the headlines about AI. We jump into the much-hyped world of AI, and Stephen shares his no-holds-barred views on what’...
2025-07-081h 07
Recruiting Future with Matt Alder - What's Next For Talent Acquisition, HR & Hiring?Addressing Ageism In HiringRecruiting Future is a podcast that helps Talent Acquisition teams drive measurable impact by developing their strategic capability in Foresight, Influence, Talent, and Technology.
This episode is about Talent.
While we're seeing a growing awareness of ageism, the reality is that it is regularly ignored as an inclusion factor. The impact of this is staggering. AARP estimates that ageism costs the US economy $850 billion in lost GDP annually, and research shows that intergenerational teams consistently outperform age-segregated ones in terms of productivity and innovation. Yet, unlike other forms of...
2025-06-2536 minIt Gets Late Early: Ageism in the WorkplaceKelly Stonelake Tried to Protect Kids at Meta. They Fired Her InsteadHave you ever felt trapped in a system that’s supposed to empower you but instead chips away at your well-being? In today’s episode, I’m sitting down with Kelly Stonelake, a former Meta executive who’s blowing the whistle on what’s happening behind the scenes at one of the world’s most powerful tech giants. From battling toxic corporate culture to confronting racial issues in virtual spaces, Kelly’s story isn’t just about one woman standing up - it’s about exposing the systemic issues that hold women back in the corporate workp...
2025-06-241h 13It Gets Late Early: Ageism in the WorkplaceHow to Fix Your Dumpster Fire Interview Process With Lorna Erickson and Victoria GatesLet’s get real: hiring today is a mess. I’ve been there both as a candidate and as the interviewer who wasn’t properly trained. So, when I discovered Lorna Erickson and Victoria Gates, two women who are revolutionizing the corporate interviewing landscape, I knew we had to have them on the show.In this episode, we dive into the shocking state of interviews today - from the mundane but outdated, biased questions that are still being asked to the absolute trainwreck moments that are happening at the table. Like a hiring manager who th...
2025-06-1049 minIt Gets Late Early: Ageism in the WorkplaceAre We All Screwed? A Millennial and Gen Xer Weigh In With Bradley Richardson of Advanced AdultingI’m not gonna lie–this episode hit deep. Bradley Richardson and I recorded this one for both our audiences, and it turned into the realest talk I’ve had in a while. We peeled back the polish and got straight into the messy middle of work, life, and what we all do to survive this stage of midlife.If you've ever been laid off, cut off by your work “family,” or fed up with the BS around personal branding, you’re in good company. Bradley and I unpack what really happens behind hiring decisions (s...
2025-05-271h 51It Gets Late Early: Ageism in the WorkplaceDid You Know You Could Have a 'Second Fifty' Years? Dr. Debra Whitman Explains!What has more to do with longevity: your zip code or your genetic code? The answer might just surprise you. In this episode, I’m thrilled to have Dr. Debra Whitman, Chief Public Policy Officer at AARP and author of “The Second Fifty: Answers to the 7 Big Questions of Midlife and Beyond” join me to discuss the changing narrative of aging. Deb’s journey into this field began at a young age; growing up living with her grandmother, who had schizophrenia, shaped her deep passion for improving the lives of older a...
2025-05-1343 min
Aging RewiredAging and WorkingIn this episode, two experts share their experiences helping businesses thrive and tips for battling ageism in hiring. First, Janice Malone, founder of Vivian’s Door and recent recipient of the AARP Purpose Prize, joins Sheila in the studio to talk about how she is helping to foster the growth of black-owned businesses in south and central Alabama. Then, Maureen Wiley Clough hops on the mic to share practical tips about job hunting in the tech industry. Maureen is the host of the popular podcast It Gets Late Early and has been featured in WIRED, For...
2025-05-0837 minIt Gets Late Early: Ageism in the WorkplaceTurn Career Setbacks Into Comebacks: Gamifying Job Searches and Nailing Your Career After Age 40 With Portfolio Rocket’s Loren GreiffWhat happens when the most brutal battle of your life changes how you approach everything? Cancer sucks. It rips apart someone’s life. So, can you believe someone “gamified cancer” to make sure she still got the most out of life during her fight? Yup, that would be my friend, Loren. In this episode, I’m joined by executive career strategist Loren Greiff, the driving force behind helping job seekers over age 40 land their ideal roles. Her story is nothing short of inspiring - she’s not on...
2025-04-2948 min
Leadership NOW with Dan PontefractAgeism is Hurting Your Organization with Maureen Wiley CloughMaureen Wiley Clough, seasoned technology leader and host of the podcast It Gets Late Early, joins Dan Pontefract on Leadership NOW to discuss the overlooked yet costly issue of ageism in today’s workplaces.
Clough highlights why age diversity isn’t simply an ethical responsibility but a strategic advantage. She dismantles harmful myths about older employees’ technological capability, cost, and adaptability, and provides actionable insights for leaders on cultivating meaningful intergenerational mentorship and organizational resilience.
If your organization values inclusion, it’s time to start genuinely including older employees.
More about Maureen Wiley Clough: https://www.itgetslateearly.com/
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2025-04-2035 minIt Gets Late Early: Ageism in the WorkplaceColorado’s Game-Changing Job Application Act, the Case for Intergenerational Teams, and How You Can Take Action With Janine VanderburgWe’re done just talking about ageism. In this episode, we show you how to do something about it.Janine Vanderburg is the powerhouse behind Changing the Narrative and CEO of Encore Roadmap. She joins me to talk about how she and a coalition of advocates helped pass the groundbreaking Job Application Fairness Act in Colorado - legislation that bans asking for graduation dates or age identifiers in job applications. It’s a big win for both older and younger workers - and a roadmap for change in other states.Ju...
2025-04-1548 minIt Gets Late Early: Ageism in the WorkplaceJob Search Struggles in Midlife, Why You Should Take Fractional Roles, and Corporate Survival with Nick PassarelliIf you’ve ever been blindsided by a layoff, wrestled with feeling “too old” for the job search, or wondered if your career peak is behind you, this episode is for you. In this deeply honest and refreshingly human episode, I speak with Nick Passarelli, a fintech exec and former HR leader whose early career taught him the hard truth: corporate loyalty doesn’t always pay off. From leading mass layoffs at just 24 years old to witnessing longtime employees get pushed out with nowhere to go, Nick saw firsthand how brutal...
2025-04-0139 min
HR BESTIESHR Besties: Ageism with Special Guest and Meeting Crasher Maureen Wiley CloughToday's agenda: Introducing Maureen Wiley Clough, host of the It Gets Late Early podcast Drunk interview Cringe corporate speak: culture fit Hot topic: ageism in the workplace Most people are ageist... it's the only "ism" that can affect everyone What sparked Maureen's podcast and focus on ageism? HR professionals should feel empowered to discuss ageism in an organization, such as being included in DEIB discussions More years can mean more experience and enhanced job performance (...duh!) Colorado's Job Application Fairness Act Age discrimination from job recruiters and hiring managers. What can members of HR do to point out...
2025-03-1947 minIt Gets Late Early: Ageism in the WorkplaceWhy Awkwardness Is a Career Superpower, Overcoming Social Discomfort, and Building Confidence With Henna PryorWe’ve all had those painfully awkward moments–those cringey, uncomfortable feelings—the ones that make you want to disappear into the floor. But what if awkwardness wasn’t something to escape, but something to embrace? Today, I sit down with workplace performance expert Henna Pryor to unpack why discomfort is actually a good thing.Henna shares her personal journey from feeling like an outsider as a child of immigrants to discovering how awkwardness can be a growth accelerator. She also reveals surprising research on why confident people don’t avoid awkward moments—they just recover...
2025-03-1842 min
Market Impact InsightsAgeism Is Real - Maureen Wiley CloughCreator/Host of the It Gets Late Early podcast Maureen Wiley Clough calls out the big "elephant in the room" in tech companies today: ageism is real and it's negative impacts are being felt like never before. Having herself been called a "dinosaur" at age 37 in a prior job, Maureen is helping people with practical advice to navigate age-biased, challenging work environments. Truly successful leaders recognize years of experience as an asset, not a liability. Everyone needs to embrace the power of a positive impact about aging, which research shows can add 7.5 years to our life expectancy. And never forget...
2025-03-0844 minIt Gets Late Early: Ageism in the WorkplaceFighting Ageism Through Art, The Gendered Impact of Aging, and Why This Exhibit Went Viral With Dr. Stacey Gordon and Aubrey HirschDid you know that the average age for a first Botox injection is reportedly now just 26? Wild, right? That’s just one sign of how deeply ageism is woven into our lives - whether it’s in the workplace, healthcare, or even just the way we see ourselves.So, today I am chatting with Dr. Stacey Gordon, a senior fellow at NYU’s Center for Health and Aging Innovation, and Aubrey Hirsch, an author and illustrator, about their incredible public art installation in New York City, “What About Age?” This 13-panel exhibit at NYU’s Kimmel Win...
2025-03-0431 minIt Gets Late Early: Ageism in the WorkplaceBreaking Age Stereotypes, Embracing AI, and Building a Multi-Generational Workforce with AARP’s Naj UddinHow does a Silicon Valley techie end up transforming one of the largest nonprofits in the U.S.? Well, Naj Uddin, Chief Information Officer at AARP, joins us to share his journey from tech startups to spearheading innovation at AARP. Naj shares how AARP is doing things differently - think success coaching, mentorship programs, and hiring practices that prioritize meaningful work and support for employees at every career stage. Plus, he shares heartwarming stories of growth, like an executive assistant who leveled up into a tech role and an intern who turned mentor.
2025-02-1857 minIt Gets Late Early: Ageism in the WorkplaceRegret Is Your Greatest Teacher: How to Learn From the Past and Build a Future You Love With Daniel PinkEver looked back on a missed opportunity and thought, Ugh, what if? Well, you’re not alone—and that feeling of regret might actually be one of the best tools for growth. I had the privilege of chatting with New York Times bestselling author Daniel Pink about his book The Power of Regret—the book that gave me the final push to launch this very podcast!Dan breaks down why regret gets a bad rap in our culture of toxic positivity and how it can actually help us make smarter choices. He conducted a massiv...
2025-02-0431 min
VEST Her PodcastConfronting Ageism at WorkIn this episode we talked about Ageism at Work with Maureen Wiley Clough, host of the acclaimed podcast It Gets Late Early. In it we unpacked the unique challenges women face as we progress in our career and share actionable strategies for overcoming age-related obstacles and redefining our career trajectories at any age.For our guest full bio and show notes go to www.vesther.co/podcast This episode is brought to you by VEST, a peer network for women professionals and investment fund investing in women led companies building solutions for the care economy a...
2024-12-3044 minIt Gets Late Early: Ageism in the Workplace10 Hard Truths about AgeismIn this last episode of the year, I reflect on what I’ve learned in 1.5 years of podcasting about ageism in the workplace. Spoiler alert: it’s a big deal for all of us, whether you’re fresh out of school or deep into your career, so let’s roll!Did you know having a positive mindset about aging can add 7.5 years to your life? That’s more than quitting smoking or exercising! Mind-blowing, right? But thanks to the media and the beauty industry, stereotypes about aging make it harder for everyone to feel good about getting older....
2024-11-261h 03It Gets Late Early: Ageism in the WorkplaceThriving as an Individual Contributor, Embracing Power Skills, and the Myth of Workplace Vulnerability with Everybody Be Cool’s Author, Hanan Harb SahouriehEver feel like you're trying to navigate a corporate obstacle course while juggling flaming torches and keeping your cool? Like you're supposed to be "authentic" but also "professional," vulnerable but not too vulnerable? Well, today we're diving into the workplace circus with Hanan Harb Sahourieh, the brilliant mind behind Everybody Be Cool - a book that's basically your survival guide to the modern workplace.Here's what's fascinating about Hanan: after getting laid off (yeah, we've all been there or feared being there), instead of diving into the usual "how to climb the corporate ladder" stuff, she wrote...
2024-11-1256 min
The Secret Kindergarten | For Grown-upsThe Television Tells No VisionThe first broadcast of all things television and it's effects on the young minds of the world. We look at an institutional view and a spiritual view, with both sides spitting facts. Can we decide whether or not to throw the T.V. and technology out? How necessary is it and for which age group? Do we just need "conscious programming" for the little ones? We are going to discover that the T.V. may be even more worrisome for the heart, rather than the mind. Or is it a problem for both? There is a lot to discover and...
2024-11-0251 minIt Gets Late Early: Ageism in the WorkplaceFired for Being 42, the Insane Age Discrimination Case No Lawyer Would Take, and Picking Up the Pieces with Over 40 Founder Emilia D'AnzicaImagine hitting all your KPIs at work, only to be told you're out—because they want someone younger. Well, that’s exactly what happened to today’s guest, the incredible Emilia D’Anzica. And trust me, her comeback story is one for the books!Emilia is the founder of Growth Molecules, an author, and an all-around powerhouse. She takes us through her nuts experience of being pushed out of a tech company despite knocking it out of the park for 13 quarters straight. Emilia shares how she handled the blow (hint: wit...
2024-10-2937 min
Surfing CorporateFrom Office Star to Office Dinosaur: How Ageism Sneaks up on YouIn this week’s episode of Surfing Corporate, we tackle the often-overlooked topic of ageism in the workplace with special guest Maureen Wiley Clough, host of the It Gets Late Early podcast and newsletter. Together, we discuss shocking research, including how tech workers over 40 are 26% less likely to be hired than their younger peers, and why women experience ageism at nearly double the rate of men. More importantly, we provide actionable strategies for overcoming age-based bias, staying competitive, and fostering an age-diverse workforce.Chapters
Introduction and Personal Experiences
Defining Ageism and Examples
Gendered Ageism and Youngism
Ag...
2024-10-2354 minIt Gets Late Early: Ageism in the WorkplaceHow Menopause Affects Productivity at Work, Corporate America’s Neglect of Women's Health, and the Billion-Dollar Cost to Businesses with Tamsen FadalDid you know that menopause affects over half the population and costs companies billions in lost productivity each year? And yet, it's still one of the most overlooked issues in the workplace. Well, today’s episode focuses on the impact of menopause on the workforce.I share my experience with a tech company's absurd mishandling of women’s health, where a session titled "Navigating the Uniqueness of the Female Body" (and no, I'm not kidding!) was beyond offensive. I’ll share some shocking statistics on menopause and its symptoms, which can last up to - get...
2024-10-1538 min
Life Fulfilled Podcast — Where leadership, self awareness and workplace performance actually connect.Ep 204 The Ageism Movement is Catching Fire with Maureen Wiley CloughIn episode 204, Maureen Wiley Clough, host of the "It Gets Late Early" podcast and a passionate advocate against ageism in the tech industry returns to the Midlife Fulfilled podcast. We discussed the pervasive issue of age discrimination, also known as ageism, particularly in hiring practices, and we discussed actionable steps toward fostering an age-inclusive work environment.Here are the three key discussion points from our conversation:1️⃣ Ageism in Hiring Practices: We discussed an anecdote involving a hiring manager's preference for a candidate with "more runway," or younger candidates. The tech sector was highlighted for having a hi...
2024-10-1441 min
the weekly seattleweek of oct 14: Maureen Wiley Clough - It Gets Late Early Podcast (the ageism episode)Top Stories1. New walkway opens downtownSeattle Magazine article2. Gen Z getting fired quicklyYahoo Finance article3. Pokemon to open a museumPSBJ article4. Avalara to move officesPSBJ articleAbout guest Maureen Wiley Clough - Founder & Host, It Gets Late Early podcastMaureen founded the It Gets Late Early podcast about aging in the tech industry about a year and a half ago. Prior to that, she was the head of partnerships at UpKeep and was the Director...
2024-10-1350 min
Invincible Career - Claim your power and regain your freedom🚀 Shining a Light on Ageism - Maureen Wiley Clough, Host of It Gets Late Early (Issue 598)My guest for this episode is Maureen Wiley Clough. Maureen is the host of It Gets Late Early, a podcast and community of tech employees bringing awareness to the issues facing experienced workers and striving to create a better working world for all. I’ve talked about the issue of ageism in the tech industry before. I faced it myself a few times, and I witnessed discriminatory behavior during my decades-long career (e.g., during job interviews). I wrote a post on LinkedIn about embracing aging, which is how I met Maureen and got invited to her po...
2024-10-1035 min
Successful Working ParentsFather of the Bride Part II rewatch, with It Gets Late Early host Maureen Wiley CloughToday we are talking about Father of the Bride Part II.
Not only does it have some fun family dynamics to discuss, it also deals heavily with the challenges of getting older or feeling like you're getting older.
My guest is Maureen Wiley Clough, creator and host of the It Gets Late Early podcast, a show about getting older in the tech world.
EPISODE LINKS
itgetslateearly.com
https://linktr.ee/itgetslateearly
https://www.linkedin.com/in/maureenwclough/
2024-10-0245 minIt Gets Late Early: Ageism in the WorkplaceWhy Some Women Try To Look Older At Work, Gender Bias in Big Tech, and Building an AgeTech Company in a Youth-Obsessed World with Wisdom.io CEO Cathy MinterThe world population is aging, and with 10,000 people turning 65 daily, new opportunities are emerging in the tech industry. So, today, we're exploring the AgeTech revolution with Cathy Minter, the CEO and co-founder of Wisdom.io. AgeTech? Yeah, it's a thing, and it's been quietly changing the game since 2016. But we're not talking about teaching your grandparents to code (although they definitely could…because we never stop learning new things, remember?). We're talking about everything from "I need to plan my will" apps to smart homes that won't let you forget your meds....
2024-10-0152 min
Law Enforcement Talk: True Crime and Trauma StoriesHer Close Call With Death A Ride withHer Close Call With Death A Ride with a Serial Killer. Story of Survival and Triumph. Special Episode. Imagine being a teenager, carefree and trusting, when a simple decision turns into a life altering ordeal. At the age of 17, she had a terrifying encounter that could have ended her life. She unknowingly accepted a ride from a man who later turned out to be a serial killer. Her near-death experience, harrowing escape, and how she turned that traumatic event into a story of survival, resilience, and success is a powerful and transforming interview. Be sure to check out the...
2024-09-2939 minThe Secret Kindergarten | For Young ChildrenThe Television Tells No Vision | SKR Grown-ups editionThe first broadcast of all things television and it's effects on the young minds of the world. We look at an institutional view and a spiritual view, with both sides spitting facts. Can we decide whether or not to throw the T.V. and technology out? How necessary is it and for which age group? Do we just need "conscious programming" for the little ones? We are going to discover that the T.V. may be even more worrisome for the heart, rather than the mind. Or is it a problem for both? There is a lot to discover and...
2024-09-2151 minIt Gets Late Early: Ageism in the WorkplaceIndeed’s Ageist Career Guide, Viral LinkedIn Reaction, and the Impact on the Ageism DebateIn this solo episode, I break down the recent controversy surrounding a career guide published by Indeed, the world’s largest job site, with 365 million daily users and over 3.5 million employers. Here’s a teaser: The guide labeled ages 45-55 as “late career” and 55-65 as “decline,” sparking an outcry over its ageist language.I stumbled across the uproar late one night on LinkedIn and decided to post my thoughts, which quickly went viral. Indeed responded within hours, issuing an apology and removing the offensive content, but the damage was already done!Th...
2024-09-1744 minIt Gets Late Early: Ageism in the WorkplaceSurviving Corporate via Humor, Navigating Layoffs, and Age-Shaming at Work With HR Besties’ Jamie JacksonToday I've got Jamie Jackson, the brilliant mind behind 'Humorous Resources', 'Millennial Misery,' and 'Horrendous HR,' and the co-host of the HR Besties podcast. She's not just your average HR pro - she's like the standup comedian of the corporate world, using humor to keep us all from losing our minds in the 9-to-5 grind.Jamie's hilarious social media accounts were born out of the pandemic chaos while working at a healthcare clinic. Talk about a pressure cooker situation! But instead of cracking, she turned to humor. It's like she found the...
2024-09-0342 minIt Gets Late Early: Ageism in the WorkplaceHow You're Getting Discriminated Against at Work, Part 2, with EEOC Commissioner Keith SonderlingIn the last year alone, the Equal Employment Opportunity Commission (EEOC) received nearly 81,000 charges of workplace discrimination. And here's a kicker – age discrimination made up a whopping 17.5% of those cases! This is not merely a fringe issue in our society.In today’s episode, I sit down with Keith Sonderling, the EEOC commissioner, to explore the realities of workplace discrimination and the EEOC's role in safeguarding civil rights across the United States. Keith shares the EEOC's mission, which goes beyond enforcing anti-discrimination laws to educational initiatives that prevent discrimination and help employers and employees unde...
2024-08-2047 minIt Gets Late Early: Ageism in the WorkplaceHow You’re Getting Discriminated Against at Work, Part 1, with Attorneys Peter Romer Friedman and Elizabeth AniskevichMy guests today are Elizabeth Aniskevich from the AARP Foundation and lawyer Peter Romer-Friedman, two powerhouses in the fight against age discrimination. They're here to shed light on this pervasive issue that's been hiding in plain sight (or, should we say, in plain algorithms?).Remember when job listings could brazenly ask for "recent college grads" or specify a maximum age? Well, those days might be gone, but the discrimination just got sneakier! Elizabeth shares some stats from AARP's research: a whopping 64% of older adults have seen or felt the sting of age bias, with 40% experiencing it after...
2024-08-0655 minIt Gets Late Early: Ageism in the WorkplaceHow to Reinvent Your Career After 40 With Career Coach John TarnoffAre you feeling stuck in your career and afraid to make a bold move? John Tarnoff, the career reinvention coach and founder of the Mid-Career Lab, will shake up everything you believe about mid-career shifts, especially if you're rocking that over-40 life!Get ready to flip the script on job loss and retirement. John shows us that getting fired is not shameful or fatal, as we’ve been made to believe.John's not just talking the talk – he's walked the walk! He's gone from getting the boot 39% of the time...
2024-07-2350 minIt Gets Late Early: Ageism in the WorkplaceAgeism in Tech, Career Evolution, and Creating Comedy Content With Corporate BroWe're bringing back some comic relief of the highest order by republishing one of the all-time most downloaded episodes of It Gets Late Early, featuring genius comedian Ross Pomerantz, aka Corporate Bro (or just Corp).If you’re newer here, you probably haven’t heard Ross’s take on getting older in general or in the ageist tech industry…and trust me, you’re gonna wanna fix that. Like, now.If you don’t know Ross, his persona of Corporate Bro is pretty much legendary in the tech world. After spending a few years in...
2024-07-0944 min
The Wall Street Skinny79. What’s the Max Age to Break into Wall Street and Tech | TWSS x IGLESend a textWe get asked every day by listeners of ALL ages, "am I too old to start a career in finance??" When you ostensibly need to have internships on your resume by the time you are 19 years old, and when on-cycle PE recruiting starts before new college grads even set foot in IBD training, it's easy to feel that way. But on the flipside, young people are often dismissed as inexperienced and excluded from the big conversations when their age is deemed to be a negative. So, let's talk about age in the industry. ...
2024-06-271h 15It Gets Late Early: Ageism in the WorkplaceThe Wall Street Skinny X IGLE: Ageism, Sexism, and Conquering the Challenges Women Face in Tech and FinanceThe fantastic Jen Saarbach and Kristen Kelly from “The Wall Street Skinny” podcast join me today for a candid and super fun crossover episode on the challenges women face breaking into and growing their careers in the male-dominated industries of Tech and Finance.Jen and Kristen tell us how they started “The Wall Street Skinny” to democratize access to the world of high finance via their incredible podcast and lighthearted but value-packed social media posts. Turns out there’s more to the industry than we see in the movie The Wolf of Wall Street with Leo D...
2024-06-251h 08It Gets Late Early: Ageism in the WorkplaceBuilding a $25M Tech Company Without VC, Gender Barriers, Social Media Fame, and Writing “Scaling With Soul” With Sharon GillenwaterEver wonder what it takes to build and sell a tech company for millions without venture capital? Well, we've got the inside story straight from the source!Today I'm chatting with Sharon Gillenwater, a trailblazing entrepreneur who did just that - she built and sold her tech company (Boardroom Insiders) for a cool $25 million, all without relying on VC funding! She is the author of Scaling with Soul, which chronicles how she built, scaled, and sold her company.Sharon's not your typical tech founder - in fact, she didn't...
2024-06-111h 04It Gets Late Early: Ageism in the WorkplaceThe Unexpected Impact of Remote Work on Young Employees, Toxic Stereotypes, and Gen Z's Little-known Need for Mentorship with Megan GerhardtIn a recent study by Fortune, one in five Gen Z’s reported not having spoken to anyone over 50 in the workplace in the last year, while 40% of people over 55 said they hadn't talked to a Gen Z. How did we get here?How do we bridge this generational divide? Are the five generations at work a challenge to overcome, or are they an overlooked source of strength? Today I host the brilliant Professor Megan Gerhardt, founder and author of Gentelligence. Megan challenges the lazy stereotypes that pit generations aga...
2024-05-281h 03
The Strand Review of BooksThe Neurodiversity Edge, with the author, Dr Maureen DunneDr Maureen Dunne guides us through her book The Neurodiversity Edge – The Essential Guide to Embracing Autism, ADHD, Dyslexia, and other Neurological Differences, for Any Organization. Dr Dunne is a cognitive scientist who completed her PhD at the university of Oxford – and her book made the USA Today national bestseller list!Available from Wiley and Amazon, https://www.amazon.co.uk/Neurodiversity-Inclusion-Maureen-Dunne/dp/1394199287/ Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.
2024-05-2109 minIt Gets Late Early: Ageism in the WorkplaceThe Trouble With Capitalism, Ditching Our Hustle Culture Mindset, and Becoming More Human-Centric in the Age of AI With Anti-career Coach Danielle RobertsIn our hustle-obsessed society, the concept of "work-life balance" has become a twisted, unattainable ideal. From the dawn of our careers, we're fed narratives that glorify overachievement and self-sacrifice for the corporate grind.But what if we've been sold a lie? What if the real keys to fulfillment lie in dismantling those deeply ingrained notions?My guest today is Danielle Roberts, the bold anti-career coach. Danielle was well on her way to "having it all" - the prestigious job, the six-figure salary, the big promotion. But at what cost...
2024-05-1450 minIt Gets Late Early: Ageism in the WorkplaceMale Loneliness and the Struggle to Make and Maintain Friendships as Men Age With ‘Billy No-Mates’ Author, Max DickinsIn our fast-paced, career-driven world, it's all too easy for friendships to take a backseat. But for many men, that dwindling social circle isn't just an occasional inconvenience - it's a harsh reality made worse by societal pressures and masculine stereotypes. My guest today is Max Dickins, speaker, comedian, and author of Billy No-Mates: How I Realised Men Have a Friendship Problem. What’s his story? As Max was preparing to propose to his girlfriend, he had a startling realization - his circle of close male friends had dwindled to nearly nothing. He...
2024-04-3052 minIt Gets Late Early: Ageism in the WorkplaceWorking With Jeff Bezos, Navigating Sexism at Amazon, Growing Confidence, and Getting Sober at 43 With Exit Interview’s Kristi CoulterEver wondered what it's like to work at Amazon? I mean, if you can make it there, you can make it anywhere, just like New York, right? It feels like after you’ve done time at Amazon, your meal ticket is punched, and you’ll have a cascade of job offers and great opportunities thereafter. But would you give your soul in exchange for a career at Amazon?In this episode, I have Kristi Coulter, a brilliant author who wrote the book Exit Interview. She's also a writing professor and an editorial coach, so she...
2024-04-161h 23It Gets Late Early: Ageism in the WorkplaceHow to Be a Better Manager With Ashley Herd of Manager Method and HR BestiesBecoming a manager through a promotion or receiving a job offer is a rewarding accomplishment for an employee. While these opportunities can prove exciting for both first-time and long-time managers, not everyone is innately gifted with the skills it takes to be a good manager. Ask just about anyone, and they’ll tell you about that bad boss (or 7) they’ve had across their corporate careers.In today's episode, the relatable and sharp Ashley Herd of Manager Method and HR Besties and I explore what it means to be a manager and how new mana...
2024-04-0244 min
Your Working LifeNeurodiversity and the Future of Work with Dr. Maureen Dunne Maureen Dunne is a cognitive scientist, neurodiversity expert, global keynote speaker, board director, and business leader with over two decades of experience helping organizations build thriving cultures. She has served as a Senior Advisor to some of the world's top corporate brands, Fortune 500 companies, universities, venture capital funds, and government officials, including the LEGO Foundation, Cornell University, and Members of Congress. She also recently co-created the executive education program for business leaders on "Future-Ready Leadership" at the Harvard Kennedy School. A member of the neurodiversity community, she is a frequent media commentator and contributor on...
2024-04-0128 minIt Gets Late Early: Ageism in the WorkplaceAgeism in Tech is REAL and People Are Reacting: The Story Behind the VIRAL LinkedIn Post ft. Vern SixWhen applying for a job, the hiring process can feel like a waiting game. But what's even worse than waiting for who knows how long or being ghosted altogether is blatantly experiencing age bias while in an interview with a recruitment officer. That's what today’s guest, Vern Six, experienced, which he shared in a LinkedIn post that resonated with many people. In fact, the post went beyond viral, getting millions of views and garnering national media attention.What happened? Vern had a recruiter inform him that he's supposedly too old for a software de...
2024-03-1948 minIt Gets Late Early: Ageism in the WorkplaceWhy Companies Need to Pay Attention to Older Consumers With Entrepreneur Brian ClarkAs more people live longer, consumer brands need to consider the needs of the older population. Companies that neglect senior consumers, especially the Baby Boomers, can end up missing a massive opportunity to attract and retain a growing market and make a ton of money along the way.Older generations, those 50 and older, make up 51% of consumer spending. Despite the prevalence of youth in advertisements, older people spend way, way more money than younger generations (because they have more disposable income). Like young people, older folks also want to learn about brands to stay...
2024-03-0543 minIt Gets Late Early: Ageism in the WorkplaceHow to Have a More Fulfilling Midlife With MEA Wisdom Co-Founder Jeff HamaouiAre you yearning for a more fulfilling midlife? Turning 40, 50, or 60 is a big deal, and a bit scary for many people. However, we can shift our mindset to view it as something hopeful: the beginning of our second adulthood. Instead of thinking of it as a period of decline, we can embrace this period and even begin to feel happier with each passing year. We can start redefining who we are beyond our bodies or personalities. Think of it as a transition period and a space for new beginnings.E...
2024-02-2051 minIt Gets Late Early: Ageism in the WorkplaceToday's Most Dangerous Conversation: Blame It on the Boomers? Hear Chad Sowash’s TakeIt is a popular opinion among some people of the younger generations that baby boomers have gotten all the good stuff and left nothing but a broken system for future generations. But boomers, now in their older years, are facing something new and decidedly less good: ageism. Should we feel sorry for them? Should we advocate on their behalf, and on behalf of our future selves? Well, according to my guest today, the answer is a big, fat “nope!” I’m joined by Chad Sowash, the co-host of “HR's Most Dangerous...
2024-02-0646 minIt Gets Late Early: Ageism in the WorkplaceThe Right Way to Implement a DEIB Strategy: A Conversation with Smartsheet's VP of DEI, Amelia RansomMany companies are aware of the importance of promoting DEIB in the workplace. It's where you implement measures to ensure your employees feel respected and are treated fairly in an inclusive environment where they can feel comfortable as themselves - and in so doing, create optimal business outcomes.However, many companies fail miserably when it comes to implementing their so-called DEIB programs. Why is that so? Let's get insights from someone who understands exactly what it takes to finesse your DEIB recipe to get the best possible outcome. Today's e...
2024-01-2349 min
Talking Mental Health CareersTrauma-Informed Care: Career Insights from Frontline Mental Health ExpertsJoin Dr. Maureen O'Connor as she interviews experts Dr. Lisa Brown, Dr. Jessica Walsh, and Dr. Flora White-Cooper on their career paths and experiences relating to Trauma-Informed Care. In this episode of Talking Mental Health Careers, Dr. Maureen O'Connor sits down with three influential PAU alumni – Dr. Lisa Brown, Dr. Jessica Walsh, and Dr. Flora White-Cooper to explore their individual journeys in the specialized field of trauma-informed care. From educational experiences to pivotal career decisions, Dr. Brown, Dr. Walsh, and Dr. White-Cooper reveal how they found themselves drawn to trauma-focused work and the events and co...
2024-01-101h 11It Gets Late Early: Ageism in the WorkplaceAgainst All Odds: How a Latina Immigrant Jeweler Found Her Way to Techstars With Mariana ChambersDo you love jewelry? I do! But more than the jewelry, I love how today's guest makes beautiful jewelry accessible to many people. Mariana Chambers founded Cut + Clarity, a premier destination for customizable, fine jewelry sustainably crafted in NYC. As an immigrant from Buenos Aires, Argentina, Mariana lives out passion and tradition in every aspect of her life. Over the last two decades, Mariana has created jewelry collections for world-class brands and retailers. In 2017, as her family grew, so did Mariana’s desire to leave her daughter with a legacy...
2024-01-0937 minIt Gets Late Early: Ageism in the WorkplaceThe Working Class Podcast Crossover With It Gets Late Early Feat. Attorney Ryan and MaureenHave you ever experienced any form of bullying or harassment in the workplace, which makes you wonder why you accepted that job in the first place? How exactly do you deal with workplace issues without sacrificing your future in the company? Today's episode is a bit different from the norm: Attorney Ryan, aka The Labor Lawyer & Working Class podcast host, and I are joining forces to deliver a joint episode. We borrowed Working Class’s long-form, unfiltered interview style for this one, which was a lot of fun. We took turns discussing workplace issues we...
2024-01-022h 03It Gets Late Early: Ageism in the WorkplacePsychological Safety, Imposter Syndrome, and Shameless Parenting With Sara DeanWhich working mom do you know who has it all together? I can't think of anyone. Oh wait…why don’t we ask the same question about dads? Why aren’t they called working dads? Being a parent is an incredibly fulfilling experience, but it comes with a heck of a lot of challenges, none of which you can ever be fully prepared to face. But the truth is working moms face different challenges, not just in their homes, but also, especially in the workplace. Gender bias, ageism, imposter syndrome, and psychological safety are just som...
2023-12-2648 minIt Gets Late Early: Ageism in the WorkplaceThe Super Age: How Demographic Change Impacts Us All With Author Bradley SchurmanThe term "Silver Tsunami" has gained prominence in recent years, signifying a considerable demographic change with far-reaching impacts. This phenomenon refers to the rapid increase in the aging population, primarily due to the aging baby boomer generation. But we like “The Super Age” as a description better for obvious reasons.A quarter of the U.S. labor force will be 55 or older by 2030. This presents new challenges for employers, with many boomers exiting the workforce and taking the knowledge, skills, and experience with them. Employers must embrace age diversity and introduce programs that benefit work...
2023-12-121h 03It Gets Late Early: Ageism in the WorkplaceHow Slowing Down Can Improve Your Life and Work with Author Carl Honoré“Anything worth doing is worth doing slowly.” - Mae WestDo you feel like you're constantly running on the treadmill of life? Not sure how to pause and stop feeling like you always have to be doing something? Anyone else just tired…all the time?In this ultra-modern world, we are encouraged to be busy, juggle tasks, and be as productive as humanly possible. It's not always easy to slow down when everyone around you is going fast, but it turns out that slowing down is exactly what we need to live...
2023-11-2838 minLife Fulfilled Podcast — Where leadership, self awareness and workplace performance actually connect.Ep 135 Age Diversity in the Workplace is Good for Employers and EmployeesWelcome to my takeaway from episode 134, my conversation with Maureen Wiley Clough.Happy Thanksgiving if you're seeing this on November 23, 2023, in the U.S. I am very thankful to you for listening to the Midlife Fulfilled podcast! Here is a recap of the three key discussion points from my conversation with Maureen Wiley Clough on ep 134.1️⃣ Age diversity in the workplace contributes to innovation and better outcomes. 2️⃣ The tech industry, in particular, has a bias towards youth. 3️⃣ Awareness is the first step towards change. As with any movement, awareness is always the...
2023-11-2318 minLife Fulfilled Podcast — Where leadership, self awareness and workplace performance actually connect.Ep 134 Winning the Battle Against Age Discrimination in the WorkplaceOn episode 134 Maureen Wiley Clough joins me for an eye-opening conversation about the reality of age discrimination in the workplace. Maureen was called a "dino" in the workplace at age 37. This was a wake-up call for Maureen. Here are 3 key discussion points from our conversation:1️⃣ Age diversity in the workplace contributes to innovation and better outcomes. A wide range of ages and experiences brings different perspectives and ideas to the table. It's an economic imperative for companies to embrace age diversity and create an inclusive environment.2️⃣ The tech industry in particular, along with the corpo...
2023-11-2037 minIt Gets Late Early: Ageism in the WorkplaceHow to Pivot Into Solopreneurship With Ex-Silicon Valley Exec Larry CornettDo you want to make a living doing more of what you love? Are you ready to discover the joy of solopreneurship and the freedom it brings? Have you been curious about whether you can take a side hustle into a primetime slot?Today's episode features Larry Cornett, a Business Advisor and Leadership Coach. He works with frustrated employees who dream of leaving their 9-5 jobs and launching their own businesses someday.Larry spent over two decades in the Silicon Valley tech industry at top players like Apple and...
2023-11-1446 minIt Gets Late Early: Ageism in the WorkplaceExploring HBO's Silicon Valley, Being Old for Tech, and Finding Your Twin Flame Employer With Dan LyonsNote: Due to tech issues with my headphones and microphone, my audio on this show isn’t of the typical quality for It Gets Late Early. But Dan sounds great!If you love comedy and work in tech, you must have watched HBO's Silicon Valley. If you haven't…fix that immediately, but it's a show about the struggles of Richard Hendricks, a Silicon Valley founder and engineer trying to build his own company, Pied Piper. The comedic genius of that show is straight-up legendary!Today, I have Dan Lyons, a wr...
2023-10-311h 15It Gets Late Early: Ageism in the WorkplaceHow Age Bias Impacts Your Career and How to Fight Back With Textio’s Sandy MatusYou may not consider yourself old at 40, but you begin to think about it when you see most of your co-workers in their 20s or 30s being commended for their youthful “energy,” “enthusiasm,” or “hunger.” Many employees strive for success in mid-life and beyond, but they also regularly struggle with varying degrees of ageism - and it’s especially bad at the workplace. If ageism is an issue in your organization, what can you do? How can you challenge stereotypes about aging and show that people of all ages are capable of making significant contributions t...
2023-10-1752 minIt Gets Late Early: Ageism in the WorkplaceUpdate Your Mindset to Upgrade Your Life With Burnt-Out Tech Exec Turned Coach Jason KomosaHave you ever felt like you’re checking all the boxes in life to be considered a success, but you’re still left feeling unfulfilled? Do you ever think to yourself, well, as soon as I get this promotion, or as soon as I make some money, I’ll be happier…but then that thing happens, and you’re still feeling empty? Do you ever wonder whether the stress was worth it?Stress is an ever-present challenge for us all in modern-day life, and rampant in the high-pressure tech world. No matter your industry or level o...
2023-10-0341 minIt Gets Late Early: Ageism in the WorkplacePromote Yourself to CEO of Your Career With A Life After Layoff's Bryan CreelyNot sure if your resume and interview skills are up to par to land you your next great role? Bryan’s courses will give you everything you need. Use coupon code "GETSLATEEARLY" for a 10% discount.Imagine planning to buy a new house in the new city where you’ve moved for your new job, when, all of a sudden, you’re told you’re being let go. You thought you were being called into a regular meeting, and then they dropped the bomb. Losing a job is often a stressful and overwhelming experience, especially for peop...
2023-09-191h 06It Gets Late Early: Ageism in the WorkplaceHow to Survive a Toxic Workplace with HRManifesto’s Leigh Elena HendersonHave you ever questioned whether you're in the right company or on the right career path? Are you suffering from burnout or feeling trapped in a toxic work environment and need to talk to someone but have no one to turn to whom you can trust? Today, I have an HR expert turned content creator who knows precisely what that's like, and she's here to offer sound advice on how you can survive as an employee in Corporate America - in a hilarious, candid way.Leigh Elena Henderson - who, despite rising to prominence...
2023-09-0550 minSuccessful Working ParentsCareer FOMO, harsh realities of new parenthood, and climbing the corporate ladder in tech with Maureen Wiley CloughMaureen Clough is a former tech partnership executive and currently the host and creator the It Gets Late Early podcast. She is also a mother of 2.
This is a really powerful conversation that shares a lot of vulnerabilities about the joys and struggles of motherhood.
We cover:
0140 the difficulties of transitioning to working parent
0420 strategies for coping with new mom life
0536 balancing career ambition with motherhood
0821 giving yourself permission to not be an A+
1033 ageism in the tech industry
1705 is a career in...
2023-08-2338 minIt Gets Late Early: Ageism in the WorkplaceFrom Young on Wall Street to “Old” in Tech with Anthony FranzeseEver wondered what it's like working on Wall Street? The allure of working in the finance realm endures. But why would a guy leave Wall Street to work in a tech startup or, specifically, a company all about fertility and family planning? Today, I have Anthony Franzese, who has embarked on an unlikely and interesting career path. He started his career on Wall Street and later landed in the tech space at Headspace. He now works as a Strategic Partnership Executive at Stork Club, a next-generation maternity and family benefits provider. He also is t...
2023-08-2238 minIt Gets Late Early: Ageism in the WorkplaceThink Your Age Got You Fired? What Lawyers Say to Do NextAlthough stereotypes about older people proliferate in our culture, employers are not supposed to rely on them when making workplace decisions. Several state and federal laws prohibit employers from discriminating against employees based on age, gender, or race. Still, age and other forms of bias are prevalent in tech and other industries. What protection do older workers have? What exactly does the ADEA (Age Discrimination in Employment Act) say about age discrimination?Today, I have Jennie Woltz and Benjamin Folkinshteyn from Woltz & Folkinshteyn, PC, and they are here to tell you all about the...
2023-08-0842 minIt Gets Late Early: Ageism in the WorkplaceWhy Interviewing Sucks for Older Candidates With John ParisiToday’s episode features a good friend and tech veteran, John Parisi, who is 63 and currently applying for tech jobs. Although he started working at practically the same age as everyone else, he woke up one day wondering, "When did I become the old man at these companies?" A decade ago, I was THAT person who made fun of him for being the oldest guy in the workplace. Now, I join his ranks as an "old person" in tech. And that is what we call karma. So, now we wonder, “Is there hope for ‘olds’ seeking a...
2023-07-2547 min
To Lead Is HumanSharing Leadership (Maureen O'Connor)Welcome to To Lead Is Human. This show helps listeners envision how they can uplevel their leadership and shape cultures of accountability, respect, and candor. Maureen O’Connor, Ph.D., J.D., is the president of Palo Alto University (PAU), a non-profit private university that specializes in Psychology and Counseling. “People start to feel this so-called impostor syndrome because the people who set the path set standards that worked for them. And if you set yourself up against those standards, you are going to feel like an imposter.”– Dr. Maureen O’Connor
2023-07-1249 minIt Gets Late Early: Ageism in the WorkplaceHow Corporate Bro Feels About Getting Older With Ross PomerantzToday’s episode features millennial comedian and tech sales icon Ross Pomerantz, also known as Corporate Bro, or, increasingly, Corp. After selling SaaS solutions in Silicon Valley, Ross exited the full-time tech sales employee route in favor of focusing on, well, a lot of other stuff: comedy, filmmaking, advising, investing, speaking, acronyms, writing, and more… but, mostly, influencing (sorry Ross, had to). He also recently launched an impressive project, an eight-part comedy web series called Sales Are Dope (S.A.D.), all about working in sales at a Silicon Valle...
2023-07-1142 minIt Gets Late Early: Ageism in the WorkplaceWhat Older Tech Employees Face in Silicon Valley with Matt CurtisAs we continue to explore what it’s like to get older in tech, we’ll get stories and insights from people who have seen and experienced it firsthand while working at a range of companies in many different cities and regions. Today’s show features a conversation with my friend, Matt Curtis. He is essentially a Silicon Valley native who started his career in tech 25 years ago. Matt is now 46 years old, and he reports widespread anxiety for older peers looking to interview in tech companies right now, especially in the Bay Area. In this...
2023-06-2746 minIt Gets Late Early: Ageism in the WorkplaceLand Your Dream Job at Any Age With Julie Chase and Mai Hoang of Dream Job CatcherOver the last year, top talent has flooded the market after a string of tech layoffs, making things more difficult for everyone from the unemployed to the unhappily employed. Given the headlines, it might come as a surprise to know that some people have been able to find and land not just any job, but fantastic jobs in tech…and today’s guests are here to tell us how we can do it too. Yes, even if you’re over 40 in the tech world.Julie Chase and Mai Hoang of Dream Job Catcher are with m...
2023-06-131h 06It Gets Late Early: Ageism in the WorkplaceWhat Do Older Workers Bring to the Table? With Inclusion Researcher Daniel JollesIn raising the topic of the experience of aging in tech, a big question loomed for me: “What do experienced older workers bring to the table for their employers?” Today's guest has made answering this question his life’s work. Daniel Jolles, a one-time tech consultant, is a researcher in behavioral science at the London School of Economics (LSE), studying to get his Ph.D. in Psychology. Daniel’s studies apply behavioral science to age-diversity efforts and age inclusion in the workplace. His work at the LSE with the Inclusion Institute focuses on workplace generatio...
2023-05-3035 minIt Gets Late Early: Ageism in the WorkplaceLife as an Older Woman in Tech with Devin MoonbeamToday we have a special guest, Devin Moonbeam (a pseudonym, her choice!). She is an accomplished VP of Marketing in her 50s who has had a long career in the tech industry. Devin will share why getting older in tech is tough, especially for women. She points out the root causes of this issue and candidly shares what she has seen and experienced. But despite these challenges, she has had a killer career due to her talents, confidence, and mindset.Devin will call out ways older applicants hurt themselves in the job search process...
2023-05-1632 minIt Gets Late Early: Ageism in the WorkplaceOver 40 in Tech? An ex-Amazon Recruiter Tells You What to Expect with Lori PrutsmanLooking for a job but realizing they seem to be looking for someone…younger?In this episode, I sit down with “The Burnout Coach,” Lori Prutsman, who worked as a tech recruiter at multiple agencies, and within tech itself at both Amazon and Booking.com. She left tech after experiencing burnout - in part due to her own fears of ageism - and now coaches clients across all industries about how to avoid burnout and live well.Lori shares what it felt like being an older employ...
2023-05-1630 minIt Gets Late Early: Ageism in the WorkplaceAging in Tech: Older Employees are Being Driven OutDo you work in the tech industry and worry that you're considered old, even though you may not even be 40 yet? Do you feel like younger colleagues are getting all the opportunities and promotions while you are worrying about “aging out” of tech before you can even retire? If so, you're not alone.Welcome to It Gets Late Early, a podcast about the experience of aging as an employee in the tech world. I'm your host, Maureen Wiley Clough, and I know what it's like to feel "old" for tech.
2023-05-1615 minIt Gets Late Early: Ageism in the WorkplaceWelcome To It Gets Late EarlyHave you ever looked around the proverbial Zoom room at your tech company and found yourself to be among the oldest there, despite not being even close to “old?” Have you worried about “aging out” of tech if you don’t reach a certain title by a certain time? What is “old,” anyway? Well, it turns out that in the tech sector…it gets late early. Really early. If you have had these thoughts, made similar observations, or harbored some fear about aging in the tech world, you’re far from alone. But there is also reason to shift your mindse...
2023-03-0801 min
Law Enforcement Talk: True Crime and Trauma StoriesHer Son's Killer Was He Enabled by US Policy?Her Son's Killer Was He Enabled by US Policy? Maureen Maloney’s 23-year-old son, Matthew, was killed on August 20, 2011 by an illegal alien who was drunk and driving without a license when he ran through a stop sign and collided with Matthew, who was on his motorcycle. Matthew should have survived the collision with just abrasions and bruises. However, while fleeing the scene, the illegal alien ran over Matthew causing him to become lodged under the truck. Matthew was dragged a quarter of a mile to his death while horrified witnesses were banging on the truck and screaming for th...
2021-10-3119 min
We Have A LOT To Talk AboutDark Days, Floods, and Active Gratitude with Maureen CorbettRob and Aleks have a lot to talk about with Maureen "Moe" Corbett. Gratitude is her leading value in life, and in this episode, she shares her tips and tricks on how to integrate gratitude into our everyday lives, as well as some stories about how her life lead her to the path of gratitude. Make sure to listen through this episode twice, as it is filled with details and resources on how to live a more grateful, positive life.
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- The Secret by Rhonda Byrne : https://www.thesecret.tv/products/the-secret-book/
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2021-02-2239 min