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Reconnect Pod
8: When Everyone Does the Work
After a week off, Megan and Deedra return from a transformative trip to Mexico, where they stayed steps from the Pacific and shared space with a group of wise, hilarious women. In this episode, they reflect on what it was like to travel with people they didn’t know well—and how the deep work of internal reconnection made space for joyful, authentic connection with others.From morning coffee on the patio to laughter-soaked dinners under the stars, they share how presence, self-awareness, and Internal Family Systems (IFS) language allowed for true ease and trust in community. They...
2025-04-17
32 min
The Tilted Halo
EP 54: Women, Faith, and Breaking Chains
Deedra Mager and Megan Hall bring 40 years of combined ministry experience to this powerful conversation about inner healing, authentic leadership, and the freedom that comes through vulnerability. As directors of Dauntless Grace, they've made it their mission to help women connect with meaningful stories—including their own.What exactly is "Dauntless Grace"? It's the courage to step into an authentic relationship by removing the layers of self-protection we've accumulated throughout life. Our conversation explores how we naturally develop coping mechanisms during childhood to protect ourselves from pain, rejection, and disconnection. While necessary for survival, these same mechanisms of...
2025-04-14
37 min
Reconnect Pod
7: Beyond the Borders
In this episode of re[connect], Megan and Deedra reflect on their recent trip to New York City, where they encountered powerful stories of immigration, identity, and belonging. As they share their experiences, they explore what it means to step beyond our assumptions and move toward deeper understanding.Through candid conversation, they discuss the complexities of immigration, the role of fear in shaping our perspectives, and how storytelling can bridge the gaps between us. They also examine how travel—both physical and emotional—can expand our empathy and challenge our ingrained beliefs.Key Points:In...
2025-04-03
30 min
Reconnect Pod
6: Moving Toward Others
In this episode of re[connect], Deedra and Megan shift the conversation from internal healing to how Internal Family Systems (IFS) helps us engage with others. They explore how fear-driven self-protection keeps us divided—whether in personal relationships, politics, or culture—and how curiosity and compassion can lead to true connection. Drawing from insights by IFS expert Jenna Riemersma, they discuss how moving toward rather than against others creates space for understanding, healing, and unity.They explore:How our internal fears shape the way we engage with the worldWhy self-protection often keeps us stuck in division and...
2025-03-27
23 min
Reconnect Pod
5: Embracing Every Part
In this episode of re[connect], Deedra and Megan continue exploring Internal Family Systems (IFS) and how it helps us move from striving to wholeness. They reflect on how faith, culture, and internalized expectations shape our behaviors—and why true healing requires acknowledging all parts of ourselves with compassion. Through the lens of IFS, they unpack the struggle of untangling evangelical beliefs about goodness, striving, and shame, and how reconnecting with ourselves allows for deeper healing.They explore:How childhood beliefs and faith culture impact our self-perceptionWhy striving to “be good” often leads to disconnection and shameT...
2025-03-20
28 min
Reconnect Pod
4: From Fragments to Whole
In this episode of re[connect], Deedra and Megan explore the journey from fragmentation to wholeness through the lens of Internal Family Systems (IFS). They discuss how our protective parts develop in response to early wounds and how healing requires reconnecting with the exiled parts of ourselves. Drawing from the work of Dr. Dan Siegel and IFS founder Dr. Richard Schwartz, they highlight how this powerful framework can lead to deep transformation.They explore:Why our lifelong search for wholeness is rooted in our earliest experiencesHow IFS helps us understand the protective roles our inner parts...
2025-03-13
26 min
Reconnect Pod
3: Reclaiming Agency
In this episode of re[connect], Deedra and Megan dive deeper into the journey of self-awareness and transformation through the Enneagram. Drawing from wisdom shared by renowned teachers Suzanne Stabile, Joan Ryan, and Beth McCord, they explore how understanding our core patterns can help us break free from the unconscious cycles that keep us stuck.They explore:How our Enneagram type shapes the way we see the world and respond to itThe misconception that the Enneagram puts us in a box—when really, it helps us break out of oneThe role of shame in our personal gr...
2025-03-06
25 min
Reconnect Pod
2: The Journey Back to Self
In this episode of re[connect], Deedra and Megan dive into the journey of rediscovering their true selves beneath years of conditioning, expectations, and protective layers. They share how the Enneagram became a key tool in understanding their core motivations—Megan as a deeply introspective Four and Deedra as a principled, perfectionistic One—and how it helped them make sense of long-held patterns.They explore: How personality is shaped by protective mechanisms and survival strategies The Enneagram as a lens for self-awareness, not a box to fit into Recognizing self-sabotage and the fear of unmet longings Why...
2025-02-27
31 min
Reconnect Pod
1: Unpacking our Stories
In this first episode of re[connect], Deedra and Megan reflect on their 14-year friendship, their evolving identities, and the shifts that led them to launch this new space for conversation. They discuss the expectations they carried in their early years—Deedra as the perfectionistic Enneagram One striving to hold it all together, and Megan as the introspective Enneagram Four wrestling with identity and belonging.They explore: How childhood messages and life experiences shape the stories we tell ourselves The moment they realized they didn’t have it all figured out The impact of midlife transformation (aka...
2025-02-20
22 min
Reconnect Pod
Welcome to re[connect]
Welcome to re[connect], a podcast exploring who we are, who we love, and what we believe. Join hosts Megan and Deedra for honest conversations about personal growth, relationships, and meaning—because life changes, but connection makes it better.
2025-02-07
01 min
The Dauntless Grace Exchange
193: A Farewell, Reflection, and a New Beginning
In the final episode of The Dauntless Grace Exchange, Deedra and Megan look back on their incredible journey over the past year, reflecting on the words they chose for 2024 and how they’ve played out in their lives. From challenges faced to growth experienced, these words have been guiding lights, and now they share the impact these words had on them in ways they never expected. As they prepare to close this chapter of the podcast, they reveal the new words they’ve chosen for 2025—words that embody their hopes and vision for the future. But th...
2025-01-02
26 min
The Dauntless Grace Exchange
192: Boundaries for Your Soul with Dr. Alison Cook
In this timeless conversation, Megan and Deedra are joined by Dr. Alison Cook, who shares wisdom about Internal Family Systems and its transformative impact on our emotional and spiritual health. Dr. Cook offers practical steps to create healthy boundaries and walks us through how God works within our souls to bring healing. Whether it’s your first listen or a revisit, this episode offers powerful tools to navigate your inner world and connect more authentically with others and yourself.
2024-12-12
38 min
ScarFire Radio
Where in The World is Megan's New Music? - Chillin' on a Friday Evening
Questions or Requests, reach out for it all!Megan shares tracks from around the globe, featuring:Gary GrayNick Van AukenDeedra PatrickThe Petal FallsEden on FireMarrCheznadoLowdown BarbarianFedd the GodBrad YoderMegan Pennington
2024-09-21
52 min
The Dauntless Grace Exchange
170: A Parts Check-In
Deedra and Megan check in with their own parts and get vulnerable about the tension they each feel. Why do our parts war with each other? Can we hold the both/and within ourselves? How can we take care of the parts of us that feel weary or angry? (Also, Megan shares why she's still writing about Taylor Swift on social media, and why she's not stopping anytime soon.)
2024-05-16
23 min
The Dauntless Grace Exchange
158: Focus of Attention, pt. 1
Megan and Deedra decide to take it back to some enneagram basics: the focus of attention for each type. If you're new to the enneagram or still trying to determine which number you are, understanding the focus of attention will go a long way in identifying or confirming yours!
2024-02-22
31 min
The Dauntless Grace Exchange
156: The Defense Mechanisms of Each Enneagram Type
For the first time (somehow), Megan and Deedra go through the defense mechanisms for all nine enneagram types. What are they? What does it mean? How do those relate to Internal Family Systems protectors? How do they self-sabotage? And most importantly, now that we know, where do we go from here? Plus: the Truity blog we used to discuss these.
2024-02-07
45 min
The Dauntless Grace Exchange
154: Recognizing our parts (& how Megan's post went viral)
This week, Megan's Facebook post about Taylor Swift went viral, and it brought out a lot of parts in others and in herself. Deedra and Megan use that to discuss: Noticing what parts of ourselves are present Getting distance to let our Self drive the bus Using our words with integrity and kindness How social media can be a connector or a divider
2024-01-24
28 min
The Dauntless Grace Exchange
153: For the Hope of It All
Megan and Deedra combine their two heroes, Taylor Swift and Dr. Brené Brown, into one epic conversation about hope, overwhelm, vulnerability, and connection.
2024-01-17
27 min
The Dauntless Grace Exchange
149: Divine Appointments (and a special travel recap!)
After a whirlwind tour of Washington DC, New York City, and Boston, Megan and Deedra are back to share how God brings the right people along our paths. Whether it's meeting new friends in person for the first time or ministering to strangers in restaurants, we are wired for connection with others. Plus, they share exciting news about a former special guest of the podcast!
2023-12-13
25 min
The Dauntless Grace Exchange
148: Encountering Jesus
Whether you have your head down to get everything done in December, or whether your head is buried under the covers until December is over, Jesus is waiting to encounter you. Megan and Deedra each share a recent personal story of how Jesus encountered them in a way that brought a new perspective and more healing. PLUS, you don't want to miss the picture of Deedra as a baby that she talks about. Head on over to dauntlessgrace.org for that gem!
2023-11-29
34 min
The Dauntless Grace Exchange
145: Our Third Podcastiversary!
Megan and Deedra reminisce about the last three years of The Dauntless Grace Exchange--why it started, what they've learned, and where it's going! They each share some of their favorite episodes and guests, and they had big plans to link all the episodes they discuss in these show notes, but there are just too many! However, you can find all their episodes in order on their podcast page.
2023-11-08
31 min
The Dauntless Grace Exchange
144: Teens and Emotional Intelligence with Jorie Hall
Megan's daughter Jorie joins Deedra and Megan to discuss the pandemic's impact on this generation's teens. Jorie, a young teen herself, tells her own journey through the pandemic during middle school, discovering she is an enneagram Nine, and what navigating relationships with emotional intelligence is like in high school. Jorie Hall is a 15-year-old sophomore from the greater St. Louis area. She is involved in drama, speech, literature, and her new school newspaper. She was recently accepted into the National Honor Society.
2023-10-25
35 min
The Dauntless Grace Exchange
133: Directors' Cut of Episode 2 (Our Backstory)
Join Megan and Deedra as they revisit the first full-length episode of The Dauntless Grace Exchange ever! They give you a behind-the-scenes commentary of episode 2 and add in information you didn't get the first time around. Plus, an update three years later!
2023-07-27
42 min
The Dauntless Grace Exchange
132: Enneagram Types Moving Toward Wholeness
What's the best path toward integration and wholeness for each enneagram type? It's making moves that pull up your repressed center and give you strategic ways to use your connecting lines and widen your focus of attention. Also, Megan shares her biggest lifetime regret in this episode...and Deedra just laughs. Plus, what they really think about Winnie the Pooh. Show notes: Megan's Instagram Episode 100: The Best of You with Dr. Alison Cook Episode 74: IFS and Moving Toward with Jenna Riemersma
2023-07-19
42 min
The Dauntless Grace Exchange
129: Sabbath Practices for Each Enneagram Type
Deedra and Megan talk through Sabbath in this episode: what is it? why should we practice it? and why might it be different for us all? Then they break it down by enneagram type and give practical suggestions for how to enter into soul rest. See the graphics at Megan's Instagram. Leave a message at the Spotify page!
2023-06-28
47 min
The Dauntless Grace Exchange
125: Alive or Failure to Thrive?
Megan and Deedra spend some time processing what life is like post 40, after learning about IFS, and gaining new levels of healing. As they talk about their own journey with parts of themselves, they realize that there is a fine line between resignation and contentment, and sometimes parts that are silent are really failing to thrive. Notes: The song Deedra mentioned is on YouTube. You can find all the authors we discussed (Fr. Richard Rohr, Dr. Hilary McBride, and Dr. Curt Thompson) on our Resources page.
2023-05-10
30 min
The Dauntless Grace Exchange
122: Constellation of an Enneagram Eight with Kennedy Shuffett
Enneagram Eight Kennedy Shuffett joins the podcast to talk with Megan and Deedra about all the parts she's discovered as an Eight and through some Internal Family Systems (IFS) experiences. She reveals that she first thought she was Two, how she's found some helpful Five parts in seasons of deep stress, and why it's difficult to be a female Eight in our society. Kennedy is wife to Josiah and dog mom to Ellie and Moses. She holds a Master of Social Work from LSU and currently serves as the Office on Violence Against Women Project Director for...
2023-04-19
45 min
The Dauntless Grace Exchange
119: Constellation of an Enneagram Five with Skye Harmon
Skye Harmon joins the podcast to discuss what it means to be an enneagram Five. She, Megan, and Deedra talk about the differences between Fours and Fives, what it means to visualize an Internal Family Systems (IFS) experience, and how Skye uses Seven and Eight energy to help herself. Skye is a self-leadership coach and enneagram 5w4, artist, writer, all-around beauty-seeker, lover of deep conversations and tacos. You can find Skye on her website, Etsy shop, Instagram, and Facebook.
2023-03-29
41 min
The Dauntless Grace Exchange
118: Constellation of an Enneagram Four with Carolyn Candela
Carolyn Candela joins Megan and Deedra as they talk about all the parts of being an enneagram Four. They really dig into the nuance of how Fours are different from Twos and Threes, and Carolyn shares some parts she's discovered through her IFS work. Carolyn Candela is a Yoga Instructor and Life Coach located in Bend, Oregon. Carolyn's mission is to help disconnected humans live full and embodied lives through connecting to the seasons and cycles of nature. Carolyn is an Enneagram 4w3. She enjoys using the Enneagram to better understand and connect with her clients. In...
2023-03-22
32 min
The Dauntless Grace Exchange
115: Constellation of an Enneagram One with Randi McSpadden
Enneagram One Randi McSpadden joins Megan and Deedra to discuss the constellation of parts for her type and how she sees her wings and stress and security lines in action. Randi and her husband Mike have been married for 25 years and have three amazing children. Randi has been in HR with Ascension Health for over 12 years and currently is the Manager of Associate Success. Her team focuses on eliminating onboarding barriers and creating growth pathways for new associates while improving retention within their first 90 days. In her free time, she loves to tuck away in her sewing r...
2023-03-01
38 min
The Dauntless Grace Exchange
114: Constellation of Parts Introduction with Tammy Sollenberger
Internal Family Systems (IFS) therapist and podcast host Tammy Sollenberger is back to talk about one of her favorite topics: IFS and the enneagram! Tammy, Megan, and Deedra discuss using the enneagram as a map to find parts of ourselves. Every person has a constellation of parts that begin with their core enneagram number and include their wings and connecting lines. You don't want to miss this introductory episode to this brand-new series! Concepts discussed in this episode developed by Joan Ryan and Tammy Sollenberger. You can find Tammy on Instagram and Facebook, and check out her...
2023-02-22
41 min
The Dauntless Grace Exchange
112: Attachment Styles & the Enneagram
Deedra and Megan do what they do best today: talk about something they've recently discovered and how it plays with the enneagram! Today is all about attachment styles. Attachment styles are part of relationship theories about how infants receive care, attention, and affection from a caregiver. But our attachment styles play out all the time in our intimate adult relationships. In this episode, we define the four attachment styles, discuss how they relate to enneagram stances from last weekend, and offer a working theory on which numbers could identify with which attachment styles. Do you agree? Disagree? W...
2023-02-08
35 min
The Dauntless Grace Exchange
111: Enneagram Stances and Relational Energy
On today’s episode, Deedra and Megan discuss enneagram stances in a new way. In episodes past, they’ve taught stances as grouping enneagram numbers by which center of intelligence is repressed. While that’s still a true part of stances, they now also agree that stances can be defined by our relational energy. Also, as part of the discussion, they consider how stance energy can also be used in our relationship to God and how sin is still more a part of the diSINtegration of our beings rather than simply a behavior we need to stop. For mo...
2023-02-01
32 min
The Dauntless Grace Exchange
109: Ego and Shadow Selves
Megan and Deedra dive back into the roots of Dauntless Grace: discovering the narrative we script for ourselves to protect ourselves from pain. In this conversation, they unpack: what shame means according to Dr. Curt Thompson; Father Richard Rohr's description of "the cult of innocence" and repentance; how we stay asleep to our ego selves; and how we all strive to hide, not heal, our shadow selves. For more information on the enneagram, go to https://dauntlessgrace.org.
2023-01-11
25 min
The Dauntless Grace Exchange
107: Annual Word of the Year Episode
Megan and Deedra discuss their words of the year (dance and play, respectively) for 2022 and what they looked like for them. They also reveal their new words for 2023! Do you have a word of the year chosen? What is it?
2022-12-28
29 min
The Dauntless Grace Exchange
103: Introduction to Subtypes
It's finally that time--we are ready to talk about enneagram subtypes! Subtypes are formed around three instincts we all have: self-preservation, social, and sexual (or one-to-one). Listen as Megan and Deedra explore the following: What does each instinct mean? How do instincts stack? How do you know your subtype? Why is important (or not) to understand subtypes? As always, check out dauntlessgrace.org for more information.
2022-11-30
32 min
The Dauntless Grace Exchange
98: Wholeness & Integration
Dauntless Grace has been on a health journey through the podcast this year. We’ve discussed: emotional health; relational health; physical health; and mental health. Megan and Deedra share where they’ve found more wholeness and areas in which they still struggle. But overall, we agree, the journey is worth it, and we break down what each enneagram number needs to hear to get started. Also, episode 100 is fast approaching, and we’ve got some awesome celebrations planned! Don’t miss out, so subscribe to the podcast today! As always, visit dauntlessgrace.org for more information.
2022-10-26
28 min
The Dauntless Grace Exchange
97: Healing in Community with Carolyn Whitney
Carolyn Whitney joins Megan and Deedra on the podcast today to talk about her journey through her husband's addiction and finding her own healing on the other side of that trauma. Listen as she encourages us to stand in community with one another as we walk through pain and struggles and to see the hope of Jesus through it all. As always, visit dauntlessgrace.org for more information.
2022-10-19
32 min
The Dauntless Grace Exchange
94: Personal Presence with Peggy Scott
Megan and Deedra talk with Peggy Scott about the outward expression of our inner work--specifically, the presence we are putting out into the world. Peggy Scott is a presence coach, author and public speaker. She is passionate about having people shine their very best through their personal presence, which then extends to every part of their life. She has 30+ years of developing and delivering transformational programs that produce phenomenal and lasting results with her clients. Peggy is on a mission to empower women to stand confidently in their power to be seen, valued and respected. As always...
2022-09-28
30 min
The Dauntless Grace Exchange
89: Enneagram & Relationships: Soo Ji & Joe
Megan and Deedra have the privilege of speaking with pastors Soo Ji and Joe Alvarez on the podcast! Soo Ji is an enneagram 3, and her husband Joe is an 8, so together they make for one dynamic couple. We talk about two two aggressive numbers in relationship and how that manifests in their working together and in their parenting. We also discuss the impact of bringing four cultures together into their home (Soo Ji is Korean Canadian, and Joe is Mexican American) and how that plays out. As always, visit dauntlessgrace.org for more information.
2022-08-24
46 min
The Dauntless Grace Exchange
88: Enneagram & Relationships: Q&A
In this episode, Deedra and Megan spend time answering some questions sent in by listeners such as: Why would each number hesitate to start a relationship? Which numbers pair well together...and which don't? Do all enneagram Fives struggle to commit? And then, in their usual way, they end up discussing why vulnerability is so important, and Megan shouts out a sermon by Pastor Melissa Pellmann about vulnerability and how Jesus made himself low to enter into relationship with us all. As always, visit dauntlessgrace.org for more information.
2022-08-17
32 min
This Is Her Story
E100 Megan Hall and Deedra Mager Talk about the Enneagram for Self-Awareness & Personal Growth
Here it is! I'm so excited for you to meet my guests for this 100th episode! I never expected to record more than a handful of episodes, but here we are. First, congratulations to Gina Weeks on winning the $100 gift card to either Barnes & Noble or Audible. Thank you to everyone for listening, sharing, and following along. It has been so much fun and I have learned a lot along the way. These guests have been gracious and generous with their time. Megan Hall (4) and Deedra Mager (1) share their stories about discovering the enneagram and how it can bring self-awareness and...
2022-06-27
50 min
The Dauntless Grace Exchange
79: Freed People Free People
Deedra and Megan go back to their podcast basics on this episode. They discuss: why being aware of our internal selves is so important; how hurt people hurt people; what being thick-skinned really means for us as Christians; and how we can advocate for others on the journey. Also, don't miss Megan learning the basic storyline of Superman and Deedra crying at least three times. As always, visit dauntlessgrace.org for more information.
2022-06-15
21 min
The Dauntless Grace Exchange
78: An Agent of Hope with Ronne Rock
Megan and Deedra welcome their friend Ronne Rock to the podcast! They discuss the grittiness of hope, how it feels to not have all the answers, if short-term missions trips are worth it, and what it looks like to love your enemies - all from the lens of an enneagram Four! Ronne Rock weaves themes of transformative hope and grace into everything she shares on page and stage. She's an author, speaker, and mentor—offering honest encouragement and gut-level wisdom about topics ranging from leadership and long-road faith to discovering your God-crafted design and purpose. She leads marketing and sp...
2022-06-08
37 min
The Dauntless Grace Exchange
76: Overlaying the Maps
We've been exploring Internal Family Systems (IFS) for eight weeks now, and Megan and Deedra wrap up the series in this episode. You won't want to miss insights on: how constellations of parts cluster around emotions; using the enneagram (wings and lines) as doorways into IFS; why both the enneagram and IFS are important for soul work and growth; how our exiled parts are tied to our enneagram wounding messages; and using these tools to move towards self and others in compassion. As always, visit dauntlessgrace.org for more information.
2022-05-25
31 min
The Dauntless Grace Exchange
72: Our Journey through IFS
Megan and Deedra spend some time talking about all the goodness in the last few episodes about Internal Family Systems. They briefly break down the IFS concepts and vocabulary and explain how this map has been a great companion to enneagram work. They each describe their own journeys with IFS and the transformative tool it has been in their own lives. As always, visit dauntlessgrace.org for more information.
2022-04-27
29 min
The Dauntless Grace Exchange
71: Boundaries for Your Soul with Dr. Alison Cook
Megan and Deedra have the honor of speaking with Dr. Alison Cook today! Alison dives further into IFS with us, and she even walks us through the process in a really clear example. You don't want to miss the grace and wisdom she brings to the conversation, especially as she reflects on the work God does in our souls and how sometimes we can spiritually bypass that inner healing. Alison Cook, MA, PhD is a psychologist and the author of two books, including her new book, The Best of You (Thomas Nelson 2022) and Boundaries for Your Soul (Thomas Nelson, 2018...
2022-04-20
37 min
The Dauntless Grace Exchange
67: Emotions and the Church with Becky Castle Miller
Doctoral student Becky Castle Miller joins Megan and Deedra to discuss all things regarding emotions: how the church has handled (or mishandled) emotions; the gendering of emotions in our society; how we construct the concept of emotions; and how Jesus experienced and expressed emotions in the New Testament. This conversation was enlightening and engaging, and we were all sorry to cut it short! Becky Castle Miller writes and speaks on emotional, mental, and spiritual health in the church. She recently graduated from Northern Seminary with a master's in New Testament Context, studying with Scot McKnight. Her discipleship workbook with...
2022-03-23
38 min
The Dauntless Grace Exchange
66: Finding Your Voice
Join Deedra and Megan as they discuss what it means, as a woman, to find your voice. They share about the parts of themselves that have often held them back from finding and expressing their voice, and they talk about how the process of wholeness and re-integration has led them into being people who can more easily use their voice to bring others into the presence of God. As always, visit dauntlessgrace.org for more information.
2022-03-16
31 min
The Dauntless Grace Exchange
65: The Crucial Conversations Within
Deedra and Megan start by talking about why it's important to have crucial conversations, but they're not necessarily talking about having these conversations with others. They make the case why it's crucial to have a conversation within ourselves. If humans have a large variety of emotions and experiences internally, it's important to identify those, sit with them, and discern what those emotions are telling us. They also dive into the passions or sins -- what they call the most difficult emotions -- for each enneagram number. For more information on the enneagram, visit dauntlessgrace.org. As always...
2022-03-11
35 min
The Dauntless Grace Exchange
64: Aging out of our Armor
Megan and Deedra discuss what life feels like now they're entering into (or are well into) their 40s. While their bodies might be aging, they're both experiencing what it means to bring their emotions and mind into integration in themselves. The armor they've worn for decades is slipping away as they realize that what once served them no longer does. Also, listen for them discuss the cognitive dissonance of feeling like a different age than they are or what a mid-life crisis really is for most people. Plus a sneak peek into some of the new tools Dauntless Grace...
2022-03-02
22 min
The Dauntless Grace Exchange
63: Retreat Recap: Peeling Back the Layers
After a new retreat, Deedra and Megan decide to share an old episode in order to offer a recap of the mini-retreats they've been hosting over the past year. Even with years of learning about the enneagram, they're both stunned at how there's always new revelation on each retreat. They also share their experiences of entering a healing journey with God. Sometimes it takes a dauntless grace to move forward in the process, but it's always worth it in the end. This podcast was recorded in July 2021, so the Colorado retreat has already occurred. But we still want you...
2022-02-23
27 min
The Dauntless Grace Exchange
62: Authenticity, Transparency, & Vulnerability
There are a lot of places in our lives where we have to interact--friendships, marriages, church, events, social media--but what does it look to show up as our authentic selves and in vulnerability? Deedra and Megan talk about what transparency isn't, but as they talk, they begin to realize that authenticity and vulnerability always start with inner healing and wholeness. Where is one place where you can show up without those protective layers in order to serve someone else? As always, visit dauntlessgrace.org for more information.
2022-02-16
31 min
The Dauntless Grace Exchange
60: Dreams
Deedra and Megan have a conversation about dreams--not the dreams they have for the future, but the lay-your-head-on-the-pillow dreams they have at night. They don't claim to be experts, but they talk about dreams, how they've affected decisions before, and what it means when they think God is speaking to them through dreams. As always, visit dauntlessgrace.org for more information.
2022-02-02
27 min
The Dauntless Grace Exchange
59: A Seat at the Table
Deedra and Megan discuss the concept of grace--how does it work in a practical way? How do we still try to earn it? They both share recent examples of times they've needed to find grace, both for themselves and from the Lord. But what if grace isn't just a band-aid of forgiveness; what if it's actually an invitation? As always, visit dauntlessgrace.org for more information.
2022-01-26
30 min
The Dauntless Grace Exchange
58: Road Trip Edition
Megan and Deedra are coming at you live (except not live because they recorded this a few days ago) from a crazy road trip to Texas and back! This may be an episode without a real agenda, but they manage to cover the following topics: the list Megan created of things she wants to accomplish in her 40th year; the way Deedra completely geeked out over finishing The Making of Biblical Womanhood by Beth Allison Barr; and how Deedra and Megan use the question "what's the story I'm telling myself?" to keep conversations flowing, safe, and open. A...
2022-01-19
27 min
The Dauntless Grace Exchange
57: Enneagram & Leadership
Join Deedra and Megan as they talk about why it's so important to be self-aware as a leader since we are all leaders in some capacity. They go through all nine enneagram types and consider the strengths and drawbacks that are natural for each type, and they give some suggestions on how to improve or how to work with other types. As always, visit dauntlessgrace.org for more information.
2022-01-12
44 min
The Dauntless Grace Exchange
55: Words of the Year
Deedra and Megan recap their own words for 2021 and talk about how those played out, and they share their new words for 2022 and the crazy story of how they came to be. As always, visit dauntlessgrace.org for more information.
2021-12-29
22 min
The Dauntless Grace Exchange
53: Envy and Resentment
Who's ready for some holiday cheer? Just kidding. Today we are discussing those super-fun emotions like envy, resentment, anger, shame, and fear. Did you know that resentment isn't really part of anger; it's tied to envy? Megan and Deedra discuss how the numbers in the gut triad experience their anger, how the numbers in the heart triad deal with shame at the root of it all, and how the head triad manages their base of fear. They also happen to get pretty deep into their own issues with envy and resentment and how it plays out in their bodies...
2021-12-15
35 min
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52: Navigating Emotions
It's no secret that Deedra (okay, and Megan) are huge fans of Dr. Brené Brown and her work as a shame researcher. So when Atlas of the Heart dropped last week, they both geeked out over how Dr. Brown puts language to 87 different emotions and experiences. By overlaying the enneagram with this reference book, we find even more pathways for healing and freedom. Check out the chapter titles and more at dauntlessgrace.org. As always, visit dauntlessgrace.org for more information.
2021-12-08
27 min
The Dauntless Grace Exchange
51: Stay in Your Lane
They've mentioned it before, but there are a lot of things that you won't find from Deedra and Megan in this podcast. For instance, they won't be sharing recipes or how to put together a Pinterest-worthy craft. In fact, there are a lot of things they aren't good at! Tune in to find out more. As always, visit dauntlessgrace.org for more information.
2021-12-01
28 min
The Dauntless Grace Exchange
48: Discovering Your Breath with Meg Amsden
Meg Amsden joins Deedra and Megan to continue the conversation they started last week on embodiment. As a certified yoga instructor with a theater background, Meg is trained in using her body as a way to center her mind and emotions, and she shares wisdom around the simple act of breathing. As always, visit dauntlessgrace.org for more information.
2021-11-10
35 min
The Dauntless Grace Exchange
47: Living Wholly
In today's episode, Megan and Deedra discuss what it means to live as a whole, integrated person, particularly as it relates to our centers of intelligence (head, heart, and body). They've been slowly learning about the concept of embodiment, so join them in their earliest musings around this topic! As always, visit dauntlessgrace.org for more information.
2021-11-03
29 min
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46: The Waiting Season
Deedra and Megan follow up last week's discussion with Heather Thompson Day by thinking about what happens in seasons of waiting. Do we let our characters be refined? Do we let God move? Or do we manipulate our circumstances to reach our goals? As always, visit dauntlessgrace.org for more information.
2021-10-27
19 min
The Dauntless Grace Exchange
45: It's Not Your Turn with Dr. Heather Thompson Day
Megan and Deedra have the privilege of speaking to Dr. Heather Thompson Day on today's episode! They discuss her newest book, all things enneagram, and how to breathe in the social media chaos. Dr. Heather Thompson Day is an interdenominational speaker and has been a contributor for Religion News Service, Christianity Today, Newsweek and the Barna Group. She is also the host of Viral Jesus, a podcast with Christianity Today. As always, visit dauntlessgrace.org for more information.
2021-10-20
37 min
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44: Creativity and Risk
Deedra and Megan explore the subject of creativity: what does it mean to be creative? Is being creative the same as being artsy? How can we tap into our own God-given creativity, and does creativity have anything to do with our enneagram numbers? As always, visit dauntlessgrace.org for more information.
2021-10-13
33 min
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43: Growth Steps
Are we talking about self-care tips or simply growing as a person? Both! Megan and Deedra talk through practical steps for each enneagram type to find more levels of freedom from stress and anxiety. For more information, visit dauntlessgrace.org.
2021-09-29
32 min
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42: Anxiety for Each Type
We may not all experience clinical anxiety, but we definitely all have anxious thoughts or feelings once in awhile. Deedra and Megan discuss what causes anxiety for each enneagram type, and they want your input! Head on over to dauntlessgrace.org to leave your comments about this episode.
2021-09-22
31 min
The Dauntless Grace Exchange
41: Comments on Conflict Styles
Megan and Deedra follow up their conversation about conflict by getting real about how they took their own advice and had the hard conversation about their own conflict! They also go through the comments on Megan's Instagram about how numbers related to their own conflict style. For more information or to find that Instagram account, visit dauntlessgrace.org.
2021-09-15
35 min
The Dauntless Grace Exchange
40: Conflict Styles
It's everyone's favorite topic: conflict! It seems that conflict is everywhere right now, but have you ever examined how YOU engage in conflict? Deedra and Megan talk through some of the conflict styles of each enneagram number, and then they share their own ways of engaging (or not engaging!) in conflict. For more information, visit dauntlessgrace.org.
2021-09-08
33 min
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39: Embracing Seasons of Change with Jennifer Lien
Megan and Deedra talk with Pastor Jennifer Lien about enduring hard seasons and how to lean into what God is teaching us in every chapter of our lives. Jennnifer is an enneagram Nine and shares how she came to realize how that plays out for her in everyday life. To connect with these ladies on the retreat, visit dauntlessgrace.org.
2021-09-01
24 min
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38: Risking Connection
Deedra and Megan discuss the topic of shame and taking risks. Join them as they encourage vulnerability that offers the authentic reward of connection. To learn more about this opportunity, visit dauntlessgrace.org.
2021-08-25
29 min
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37: Peeling Back the Layers
Deedra and Megan offer a recap of the mini-retreats they've been hosting over the past year, and they share their experiences of entering a healing journey with God. Sometimes it takes a dauntless grace to move forward in the process, but it's always worth it in the end. To join them on the next retreat, visit dauntlessgrace.org.
2021-07-28
25 min
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36: Typing Session with Hilary Mize
Megan and Deedra atttempt something new: they do an on-air typing session with a stranger! Hilary Mize is a born and bred Southern California girl. After graduating from CSU Fullerton with a BFA in Theatre and Psychology minor, she moved to “The Valley” to pursue her television and film acting career. She worked 8 years at L.A.‘s premiere networking company, ACT NOW!, as a consultant. There she met her now best friends affectionately called “The God Squad,” who mentored and led her to a personal relationship with Christ. A handful of years later she moved to Georgia, where she coupled he...
2021-07-21
46 min
The Dauntless Grace Exchange
35: Just for Laughs (& a Few Tears)
Join Deedra and Megan for a conversation about what they're loving right now! Listen as they determine the difference between cicadas and Jon Secada, and what determines Amish fiction versus historical fiction. They also uncover what it looks like when Jesus meets us in the gray areas of our deepest longings. For more resources (and a picture of Deedra's epic Pinterest fail), visit dauntlessgrace.org.
2021-07-14
31 min
The Dauntless Grace Exchange
34: Enneagram Coaching Questions
Megan and Deedra talk to you about why the enneagram can be lifechanging, and how you can find your number! They discuss some pitfalls of mistyping and why it's so important to commit to doing the work for personal growth. As always, you can find more information on enneagram coaching, staff trainings, and retreat registration at dauntlessgrace.org.
2021-07-07
25 min
The Dauntless Grace Exchange
33: Living in Community
Join Deedra and Megan as they talk about what it means to walk out healing in the context of community and what it looks like when God calls us to connect with others for his purposes. They also talk about why the retreats they've been leading have been impactful for the women who attend, and they give you one last opportunity to sign up for the November retreat in Colorado at the early bird price! For more information, visit dauntlessgrace.org.
2021-06-30
29 min
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32: Engaging Society with Beth Walker
Beth Walker has partnered with her husband for twenty years, in leadership and ministry both on and off the football field. Beth is passionate about encouraging women to pursue their individual callings from God. She is a contributor to Friday Night Wives and The Glorious Table. On her own blog, Lessons from the Sidelines, Beth offers practical advice for other coaches’ wives as well as a behind-the-scenes look at her family’s life as they serve their football players and their community. Beth’s first book, Lessons from the Sidelines, released in August 2020. Her most recent study Embracing Holy Interruptions: How Je...
2021-06-23
34 min
Letter Me Up
Is the enneagram really helpful? with certified enneagram coach, Megan Hall and her sidekick, Deedra Mager
Megan and Deedra are a friendship duo that has founded the Dauntless Grace ministry. Megan is also an author and a certified enneagram coach. Together, they host The Dauntless Grace Exchange podcast. As if that is not enough (lol), they are both amazing mothers and work for Greenville University. These two women are so full of faith and knowledge. Enjoy! You can find enneagram Megan on Instagram by clicking here. Follow Deedra on Instagram by clicking here. Check out Dauntless Grace on Instagram and Facebook. Visit dauntlessgrace...
2021-05-14
44 min
The Dauntless Grace Exchange
27: Never Say Never with Stephanie McFarland
Stephanie McFarland grew up without a family, and she determined as an adult that no other child should have to do that. So she's parenting her ten+ kids by whatever means necessary. She and her husband are raising biological children, stepchildren, and children brought in by foster and adoption. Join Megan and Deedra as Steph gets real with them about parenting in the messy situations and the pros and cons of the systems. For more information about the work Steph is doing, visit dauntlessgrace.org.
2021-05-12
37 min
The Dauntless Grace Exchange
26: When Mother's Day is Difficult
Mother's Day is difficult. While there is a place to celebrate and honor mothers, we recognize that this day triggers grief, loss, hurt, rejection, emptiness, and longings. Megan and Deedra try to celebrate the gift that women are to the world while acknowledging the very real pain when it comes to the topic of mothers. For more information about the enneagram as discussed in this episode, visit dauntlessgrace.org.
2021-05-05
24 min
The Dauntless Grace Exchange
25: Enneagram and Harmony Triads
Megan and Deedra discuss the calling we have on our lives as God's people and how our enneagram motivations--especially in light of harmony triads--keep us from living up to our callings. However, living in communion with God and others can keep us moving forward into our redemptive stories. For more information on the enneagram and the women's retreat, visit dauntlessgrace.org.
2021-04-28
31 min
The Dauntless Grace Exchange
24: Enneagram Talk Styles
Megan and Deedra engage in one of the enneagram stereotypes: the talk style for each type! For more information on the enneagram, visit dauntlessgrace.org.
2021-04-21
22 min
The Dauntless Grace Exchange
23: Enneagram Misconceptions
Megan and Deedra talk about how they use the enneagram in their lives and bust a few enneagram misconceptions. For more information on the enneagram, visit dauntlessgrace.org.
2021-04-14
30 min
The Dauntless Grace Exchange
22: Enneagram Type Nine with Shequita Weaver
Meet Shequita Weaver, an enneagram Nine, as she talks with Megan and Deedra about recharging her batteries, navigating a controversial world, and how it's difficult to believe that her presence matters. For more information on the enneagram, visit dauntlessgrace.org.
2021-04-07
36 min
The Dauntless Grace Exchange
21: Enneagram Type Eight with Xamayta Graver
Meet Xamayta Graver, an enneagram Eight, as she talks with Megan and Deedra about growing up in a naturally affectionate Hispanic culture, how she uses her directness as a gift, and how God has grown her into more and more healing. For more information on the enneagram, visit dauntlessgrace.org.
2021-03-31
38 min
The Dauntless Grace Exchange
20: Enneagram Type Seven with Sarah Vanderkwaak
Meet Sarah Vanderkwaak, an enneagram Seven, as she talks with Megan and Deedra about being an introverted Seven, how she processes emotions, and what it's like to be a mom of littles when all she wants to do is fly. For more information on the enneagram, visit dauntlessgrace.org.
2021-03-24
28 min
The Dauntless Grace Exchange
19: Enneagram Type Six with Lorna Gaffney
Meet Lorna Gaffney, an enneagram Six, as she talks with Megan and Deedra about being counterphobic or phobic, what it's like to prepare for a crisis, and how she moves into her stress and security lines. For more information on the enneagram, visit dauntlessgrace.org.
2021-03-17
27 min
The Dauntless Grace Exchange
18: Enneagram Type Five with Ginger Coakley
Meet Ginger Coakley, an enneagram Five, as she talks with Megan and Deedra about facing intense work situations with limited energy, how she uses her stress and security lines to manage emotions, and what it looks like to pursue God no matter the cost. For more information on the enneagram, visit dauntlessgrace.org.
2021-03-10
31 min
The Dauntless Grace Exchange
17: Enneagram Type Four with Lydia Stark
Meet Lydia Stark, an enneagram Four, as she talks with Megan and Deedra about the journey to discover her type, how to function healthily, and what it looks like to follow Jesus with more awareness. For more information on the enneagram, visit dauntlessgrace.org.
2021-03-03
33 min
The Dauntless Grace Exchange
16: Enneagram Type Three with Hope Mager
Meet Hope Mager, an enneagram Three, as she talks with Megan and Deedra about the journey to discover her type, learning vulnerability in relationships, and finding her identity in Jesus. For more information on the enneagram, visit dauntlessgrace.org.
2021-02-24
30 min
The Dauntless Grace Exchange
15: Enneagram Type Two with Sidney Webster
Meet podcast host Sidney Webster, an enneagram Two, as she talks with Megan and Deedra about relational stress, how to find healthy boundaries, and what it looks like to ask for and receive help. For more information on the enneagram or Sidney's podcast, visit dauntlessgrace.org.
2021-02-17
27 min
The Dauntless Grace Exchange
14: Enneagram Type One with Tori Kimble
Meet author Victoria Kimble, an enneagram One, as she talks with Megan and Deedra about the inner critic, how to handle stress, and what it looks like to go to that security line. For more information on the enneagram or Tori's books, visit dauntlessgrace.org.
2021-02-10
36 min
The Dauntless Grace Exchange
13: Enneagram Structure Overview
Deedra and Megan give an overview on the Enneagram structure. For more information on the enneagram or the ministry, check out dauntlessgrace.org.
2021-02-03
25 min
The Dauntless Grace Exchange
12: Enneagram Introduction
Deedra and Megan introduce the Enneagram. For more information on the enneagram or the ministry, check out dauntlessgrace.org.
2021-01-27
33 min
The Dauntless Grace Exchange
11: Our Words for the New Year
Deedra and Megan discuss their words of the year—for 2020 and looking into 2021! For more information on the enneagram or the ministry, check out dauntlessgrace.org.
2020-12-30
28 min
The Dauntless Grace Exchange
06: Writing a New Story
Deedra and Megan discuss the message of Dauntless Grace: the ways in which we all live out a narrative and what it means to let God write our stories. For more information on the enneagram or the ministry, check out dauntlessgrace.org.
2020-11-26
37 min