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Future of Law by GoodlawyerFuture of Law by Goodlawyer#45 The Future of Law Firms: A conversation with Nathan Hepple, Director at HBA Legal.On the show this week, we are thrilled to have back on Nathan Hepple, Director at HBA Legal based in Sydney, Australia.Our conversation covers a lot of ground including:* The advantages of having non-lawyers own and help run law firms, and why regulations in Canada should change to allow for more choice in determining a firm structure.* The difference between the business of law and the practice of law, and why distinguishing between the two when it comes to running the firm is critical;* The existential risks posed to traditional...2021-10-2054 minFuture of Law by GoodlawyerFuture of Law by Goodlawyer#37 [Future of Law] - Legal Perspectives from Down Under: Should Non-Lawyers be Permitted to Own Law Firms?On the show this week, we are re-releasing one of our favourite episodes with Nathan Hepple.  Nathan is a Lawyer and a Director of the law firm HBA Legal based out of Sydney, Australia. He is also half of the talent on the podcast "Pardon My Objection”, a show that challenges the status quo in the legal industry with one of our past guests, Mitch Kowalski.In this wide ranging discussion, we cover many topics including:* How in Australia, law firms are permitted to be organized as corporations, and owned by non-lawyers, and how this typ...2021-06-0149 minPardon My Objection (PMO): a different kind of legal podcastPardon My Objection (PMO): a different kind of legal podcastSeason 1... it's a wrap: no guest, just chat about the hot issues of the dayIn this final episode of season one, Mitch and Nathan chat about the skills that young lawyers should consider developing to get ahead. Nathan urges lawyers to avoid taking their lawyer attitude home in the interests of their mental health, saying: “the skills that make you a great lawyer, don’t necessarily make you a nice person.”  The pair discuss the growing trend of law firms to publicly list, and can’t let the season end without analyzing the decent profits many Aussie law firms have announced just months after slashing employee pay in the wake of COVID. 2020-09-1930 minPardon My Objection (PMO): a different kind of legal podcastPardon My Objection (PMO): a different kind of legal podcastThe future of law schoolsWill the impacts of COVID-19 bring a new breed of lawyer? Perhaps, we will see graduates who are more resilient and adaptable than ever before. What is the future of law schools as the profession continues to undergo transformation (albeit slow transformation).  Mitch and Nathan chat to Professor Robert Cunningham, Dean and Head of the Curtin University Law School in Western Australia.  Meantime, Nathan lays down a challenge! Who wants to come on the show to debate the law firm 'partnership' model?  Nathan has strong views on the subject, but let’s hear the other side of the argument. Reach...2020-07-3037 minPardon My Objection (PMO): a different kind of legal podcastPardon My Objection (PMO): a different kind of legal podcastLaw firms & the triple bottom lineAsk a lawyer if they know what the triple bottom line is.  Don't be surprised if they look at you with a puzzled face.  Lawyers ain't silly, but many don't know what the TBL is all about because law firms traditionally don't look beyond profit. The triple bottom line, aka profit; people; planet... and then there's ESG (Environment, Society, Governance)… whatever you want to call it, why are law firms just not focused on this stuff?  Nathan and Mitch talk about this and more with leadership and behavioral change consultant Ciaran Fenton from the UK.2020-07-0737 minFuture of Law by GoodlawyerFuture of Law by Goodlawyer#12 [Future of Law] - Legal Perspectives from Down Under: Should Non-Lawyers be Permitted to Own Law Firms?On the show this week we have our very first international guest, Nathan Hepple. Nathan is a Lawyer and a Director of the law firm HBA Legal based out of Sydney, Australia. He is also half of the talent on the podcast "Pardon My Objection”, a show that challenges the status quo in the legal industry with one of our past guests, Mitch Kowalski.We wanted to have Nathan on because Australians do law a little differently. In Canada in order to own or be a Partner at a law firm, you actually have to be...2020-07-0649 minPardon My Objection (PMO): a different kind of legal podcastPardon My Objection (PMO): a different kind of legal podcastFinding genuine 'purpose' in law firms and why clients should careMitch & Nathan interview Melissa Lyon, Associate Principal of Hive Legal in Melbourne, as the trio argue why purpose-driven firms provide a better customer experience for both their clients and their people.2020-06-2235 minPardon My Objection (PMO): a different kind of legal podcastPardon My Objection (PMO): a different kind of legal podcastGender equality in the legal professionMitch & Nathan are joined by Libby Lyons, the Director of the Australian Government's Workplace Gender Equality Agency (its mission is to promote and improve gender equality in Australian workplaces). Did you know that the legal industry in Australia is female dominated? But, when it comes to the most senior positions, women are severely underrepresented. Libby talks specifically about the legal industry in relation to gender targets, getting 'gender on the tender', why we don't want to "snap back" after COVID-19, as well as the Agency's push for government funded early education in schools from the age of two as...2020-06-0528 minPardon My Objection (PMO): a different kind of legal podcastPardon My Objection (PMO): a different kind of legal podcastRemote & flexible working can and does work!Firms in Australia are continuing to announce working from home policies for all staff beyond COVID-19 times.  Mitch and Nathan discuss what this means for the profession (including positive outcomes for clients) and laugh over a Harvard study endorsing leaving your web camera on all day to prove you are working from home!  Katherine Thomas of Free Range Lawyers in Perth, Western Australia, joins the conversation: her entire business revolves around lawyers working remotely. She connects freelance lawyers with firms looking to flex their resource for a certain period of time. As someone who has been working in this ‘remo...2020-05-3030 minPardon My Objection (PMO): a different kind of legal podcastPardon My Objection (PMO): a different kind of legal podcastThe problematic structure of law firms todayThis week Mitch and Nathan chat about law firm governance and argue that the ‘partnership model’ is not conducive to responsible business management. And, furthermore, whichever way you slice and dice it, the model is specifically designed to put profit before people. 2020-05-2327 minPardon My Objection (PMO): a different kind of legal podcastPardon My Objection (PMO): a different kind of legal podcastEmbracing technology within law firms (or lack thereof!)Why do (some) law firms move at a glacial pace when it comes embracing new technology? Why were some things impossible just a few months ago, but we hit these COVID-19 times and hey presto ... it turns out it can be done... quite easily!2020-05-1428 min