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Feminist MinutesEpisode 95: Empowering Balance: How Remote Work is Revolutionizing Life for Women and FamiliesIn this episode of Feminist Minutes, Ece discusses how the rise of remote and flexible work is transforming opportunities for women in the workplace. Together, they explore how these new working models are empowering women, especially those with caregiving responsibilities, to achieve a better work-life balance.Ece highlights inspiring examples of women entrepreneurs, such as Amy Porterfield, Marie Forleo, and Natalie Nagele, who have successfully embraced remote work to scale their businesses while maintaining personal flexibility. The conversation also touches on key challenges, including maintaining work-life boundaries, avoiding isolation, and ensuring access to essential tools and resources.Listeners will walk...2025-01-0307 min
Built to Sell RadioEp 363 How to Get Your Employees to Care as Much as You - With Postmark Founder, Natalie NageleIn 2009 Natalie Nagele and her husband, Chris, launched Postmark to help businesses deliver emails to their customers quickly. A decade in, Nagele had grown the company to around 40 employees, which was when she began feeling burned out. The pull to explore new interests was the catalyst to accepting a life-changing acquisition offer from Active Campaign in 2022.2022-11-111h 18
Getting Things DoneEp. 158: David Allen talks with Natalie NageleDavid Allen learned of Natalie Nagele through Adam Grant, and promptly scheduled this fascinating interview with her. Natalie and her husband Chris co-founded a software company called Wildbit. Their tagline is, "We're more than a company. We're a family." They have fun company retreats, a four-day work week, and smooth, collaborative teamwork among their globally distributed group. How do they do it? Start with every new employee receiving a copy of Getting Things Done. Listen to find out Natalie's advice on productivity, sharing GTD with coworkers and family, and more. Wildbit's company site:2022-06-0831 min
Leading from afarHow to actually do hybrid remote right w/ Natalie Nagele CEO @ WildbitHere's the recap...In today's episode, I chatted with Natalie Nagele, an OG of remote-work. Natalie is the CEO & Co-founder @ Wildbit. We spoke about how companies should be thinking about engaging their in-office vs remote employees. Whether to do hybrid events where some people are in person and others are virtual, or separating engagement opportunities by cohort, or doing virtual only. We also spoke about different types of virtual team fun you can implement and how often you should do so. Finally, we discussed how proximity bias may impact promotions & career trajectory for hybrid teams.
2021-12-0658 min
Small Business, Big LessonsEpisode 5: People-first businessWhat does the future of work look like? What would happen if work was less about businesses and what they need to grow, and more about people and what we need to live meaningful lives? And what would happen in a world where we didn’t actually need to work? This episode dives into the world of people-first business and the post-work economy with Wildbit co-founder Natalie Nagele, looking at what happens when people come before profits, and purpose means more than productivity. This podcast is produced by Buffer, an affordable and intuitive social media marketing software us...2021-10-2130 min
Beyond 8 FiguresBuilding a People-First Company with Natalie Nagele, WildbitNatalie Nagele, CEO of Wildbit, joins us to discuss building a successful people-first company with a 32 hours workweek. Speaking from her own experiences, as a leading people-first employer, we talk about how you can measure your success as an entrepreneur, how to stay guided by your purpose throughout your entrepreneurial journey, and what it takes to stay committed to your business. Three things you will learn from this episode:
Why you should think of your business as a tool rather than an end in itself.
Whether you should pay yourself as a founder or...2021-06-3046 min
Evergreen Journal by Tugboat InstituteDeep Work: How to Do Meaningful, Profitable Work in a 32-Hour Week In this talk from Tugboat Institute Gathering of Teams 2021, Natalie Nagele, Co-founder and CEO of software development company Wildbit, shares an innovative idea that has transformed her Evergreen® company: We can actually work a lot less.2021-05-0623 minEvergreen Journal by Tugboat InstituteDeep Work: How to Do Meaningful, Profitable Work in a 32-Hour Week In this talk from Tugboat Institute Gathering of Teams 2021, Natalie Nagele, Co-founder and CEO of software development company Wildbit, shares an innovative idea that has transformed her Evergreen® company: We can actually work a lot less.2021-05-0623 min
Business of Software PodcastEp 65 Remote working 2020 (with Natalie and Peldi)Just a few days into the 2020 Coronavirus pandemic, Wildbit's Natalie Nagele and Balsamiq's Peldi spoke at BoS Europe Online about how even fully remote companies who have been doing asynchronized work for decades have had to change their ways of working when the pandemic hit.
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Indie BitesHow to build a business you actually enjoy - Natalie Nagele, WildbitNatalie Nagele is the co-founder of Wildbit, the company behind Postmark, Beanstalk, People-First Jobs and more. Wildbit has just turned 20 years old, so Natalie knows exactly what it takes to grow and scale successful bootstrapped businesses. What makes Natalie so interesting to me is that she’s in the group of seriously successful indie hackers (over 100k customers, around for 20 years, pretty large team etc.) and they’re still indie very much living by their own rules.What we covered in this episode:What would you tell yourself 20 years ago before starting Wildbit?How do you find...2021-03-2015 min
Better ProductPeople Over Profit with Natalie Nagele, CEO & Co-Founder of WildbitYou can grow a profitable company while prioritizing people. Sometimes that means killing off a product. At least that’s what Natalie Nagele, Co-founder and CEO of Wildbit, believes. And for the past 20 years of building products, this bet made early on remains true. Wildbit is behind popular products, like Beanstalk and Postmark. In this conversation, Natalie shares how they decided to kill off a profitable product, why passion is the key to success, and how above all else, culture drives innovation.2021-03-1834 min
Code Story: Insights from Startup Tech LeadersS4 Bonus: Natalie Nagele, WildbitNatalie Nagele came to the states in 1989 as a Jewish refugee from Russia. She watched her parents go from nothing and utilizing furniture from trash, to building big businesses and supporting their family.She met Chris, her husband when she was 18. And they have been working together ever since, as he is the co-founder of their business. They have 2 kids together, and love to travel - specifically to the Caribbean, since it is a quick flight from Philly (and of course, its warm). Despite that, she would love to live in Italy one day.2021-02-0442 min
Make Things That Matter#30 Natalie Nagele: Building a people-first company at WildbitThis is the first episode released under the new name of the show, Make Things That Matter! If you're curious, listen to ep29 for more on the rebranding.For the transcript and full episode notes/resources, go to: https://bit.ly/3nwvyfXAnd if you have a moment, I’d love it if you could give me a little feedback via this SurveyMonkey link. (It only takes one minute.)Click here to directly email Andrew your questions, comments, and feedback! He reads everything that is sent in (click 'Allow' if you get a po...2020-11-1759 min
The Curious CultNatalie Nagele - Shifting the Focus from Business to PeopleIn this episode, I chat with Natalie Nagele, co-founder and CEO of Wildbit, a company which puts people at the forefront of businesses.
With 20 years running the company, has a wealth of experience in starting things and learning along the way. She and Wldbit are shifting the focus in business: Prioritising people and developing a business culture to support individuals and promote healthy work habits.
If you want to get in touch with Natalie or find out more about Wildbit’s new brand which has a tremendous amount of content about starting a business, on Tw...2020-11-1651 minIndie BitesBuilding the one of the most popular Slack apps of all time - Wilhelm Klopp, Simple PollWilhelm Klopp is the founder of Simple Poll, a super simple (but powerful) poll Slack app that has over 600k active users. Wil now works on Simple Poll full time having left his job at GitHub in September 2019 (1 year ago 🎉).What we discussed in this episode:Hows the year been after leaving GitHubWhat is Simple PollHow Wil came up with the ideaHow he grew the app to 600k usersWhat he did to start charging for a free appThe danger of building for another platform (Slack)How he transitioned to work full-time on Simple PollWhat it's like bei...2020-10-2515 min
Talking Too Loud with Chris SavageCreating a People-First Workplace with Natalie NageleWildbit’s team is behind Beanstalk, Postmark, and other brilliant software known for removing common pain points in developers’ processes. With 28 team members across five countries (15 cities) working on multi-million dollar products, Natalie’s proving that you can grow a profitable business while focusing on shorter work days, an enjoyable work-from-anywhere environment, and staying small. Links to learn more about Natalie Nagele:Wildbit Wildbit Twitter Wildbit LinkedIn Natalie’s Twitter Natalie’s LinkedIn Follow us:twitter.com/wistia Subscribe:wistia.com...2020-09-2945 minIndie BitesWhat's important for indie hackers in 2020 - Courtland Allen, Indie HackersCourtland Allen founded Indie Hackers in 2016, grew the business $8k MRR with sponsors, and then sold to Stripe 9 months later. An inspirational story that doesn't end there. Courtland has now been working from within Stripe for the past 4 years, where he continues to build on the platform and produce the excellent Indie Hackers podcast. He's a fountain of knowledge and I think you'll love this episode.What we covered in this episode:On Indie Hackers:Why did Courtland start IH?What is an 'indie hacker'?What are the pros and cons of building within...2020-09-2115 min
Indie Hackers#167 – The Most Sensible Debate on Hustle Culture and Work-Life Balance with Natalie Nagele and DHHIf you want to build a successful business, you have to be ready to work 24/7/365 to have a shot at success… or do you? Both Natalie Nagele and DHH bootstrapped their internet businesses to millions in revenue, yet they took different paths to get there, with DHH only putting in a small number of hours vs Natalie who ate, slept, and breathed her job as a founder in the early days. In this episode we discuss whether or not DHH's approach is truly repeatable for others trying to get their businesses off the ground, the limits to human productivity an...2020-07-241h 52
More Beach MeetingsNatalie Nagele from Wildbit: Planning a People-First Offsite ExperienceIn today’s episode, we sit down with Natalie Nagale from Wildbit to discuss the importance of team retreats, how they use a people-first perspective to structure their offsite experiences, and the ways Wildbit is supporting workers in connecting with like-minded companies in other industries.2020-06-0524 min
REWORKHelp Wanted The pandemic has caused enormous job losses and forced many companies to rethink the nature of work. In this episode, two Stanford students talk about the online resource they built to help fellow students whose summer internships were canceled, and Wildbit CEO Natalie Nagele returns to Rework to discuss the launch of People-First Jobs, a job board that connects seekers with human-centered companies.Show NotesAkshaya Dinesh's website | LinkedIn | Twitter - 1:10Andrew Tan's website | LinkedIn | Twitter - 1:28Verkada - 3:36LinkedIn post announcing the mentorship program - 5:36Remote...2020-05-2624 min
Business of Software PodcastEp 2: Keeping the Fun in your Buisness Life (with Natalie Nagele)This week we have Natalie Nagele - CEO and Co-Founder of Wildbit.
Natalie is striving to prove that you can grow your business whilst ensuring developers aren't spending time in the weeds of process, infrastructure, and communication. Their products and customers allow them to do the best work of their lives - design, code, and ship brilliant software,
Recorded at Business of Software Conference USA 2017 in Boston, MA.
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Send in a voice message: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show...2020-01-2858 minREWORKLab Week Get out your Bunsen burner! It's time to do some experiments. In this episode, we talk to two businesses that aren't afraid to try new things. First, the three founders of The Mad Optimist, a soap company in Indiana, talk about letting customers choose what they pay for their products. Then Natalie Nagele, the co-founder and CEO of software company Wildbit, talks about an ongoing experiment with four-day work weeks and what she's discovered about productivity, happiness, and deep work.Show NotesThe Mad Optimist website | Facebook | Instagram - 00:45You can find The...2019-12-1039 min
The New Way We WorkProductivity Confidential: Can a Four Day Work Week Work?After years of fighting tooth and nail for it, the labor movement in America finally won the battle for the 40-hour work week. Workers were no longer expected to work day and night without fair compensation. It was a victory that changed the way we think about work, and the modern work week was born. That was nearly 80 years ago, and since then there hasn’t been much of a discussion about whether or not, with the rise of next-generation technology, it’s still a valuable guide rail for the majority of workers. But, business leaders are begin...2019-10-2623 min
The SaaS Revolution ShowHow to organise your company for effectiveness and productivityOn this week’s episode of the SaaS Revolution Show, we talk with Natalie Nagele, Co-founder and CEO of Wildbit about how she and her co-founder and husband, Chris Nagele have run the company for the past nearly 19 years and have created both an effective and calm environment.
During those 19 years, Natalie and Chris have built a lot of products and have shut down many of them. The ones that have stood the test of time have often been SaaS. Currently the company maintains Postmark, Beanstalk and Conveyor. Wildbit currently employs 30 people who are spread between 6 countries....2019-08-2238 min
The Modern Manager65: The 32-Hour Work Week with Natalie NageleWorking 60, 70, 80+ hours in America has become the norm for too many teams. Yet it seems impossible to get everything done in only 40 hours. Not for the employees of Wildbit. This week’s guest shifted her organization to a 32-hour, 4-day work week. Over a year into it, they’re seeing more positive results than they could have imagined.
Natalie Nagele is the co-founder and CEO of Wildbit, the company behind Postmark, Beanstalk and Conveyor. With 29 team members across 5 countries working on multi-million dollar products for developers, she’s proving that you can grow an extremely profit...2019-08-2132 min
Crazy WisdomNatalie Nagele: CEO of WildbitHaving previously developed Postmark as well as Beanstalk, entrepreneur Natalie Nagele (@natalienagele) joins me for a light-hearted, honest and open conversation about the process of building Wildbit, a fully self-funded, hybrid software company. In this episode, we mention: Deep work Leadership in business Loneliness in remote work Hard work vs. Smart work Fundraising and profitability Meditation and mental clarity Building a meaningful business Remote work, in the early days Values, and their constant evolution Productivity software that can do more harm than good Timeline: (04:57) What is Wildbit? How did it start off? 2019-08-1658 min
Leadership Happy Hour135 - Enabling Life For Your Team With Natalie Nagele“A man who dares to waste one hour of time has not discovered the value of life.” —Charles Darwin I've never quite understood the 40 hour workweek. Have you? I mean, if you can get your work done in half of the time...why do you need to sit there until the clock runs out? Production is production, isn't it? This is just ONE of the issues we discuss with my AWESOME guest, Natalie Nagele, on this week's Leadership Happy Hour. Natalie is what all leaders should be; a life-long learner. She is doing things real...2019-07-2753 min
Growth Think TankBeyond Flexible Working Arrangements- The Power of a 32-hour Work Week with Natalie NageleFlexible working arrangements are the new craze. Employees want to work from home or coffee shops on their time. Employers want to embrace flexibility and yet get the work done too. Beyond flexible working, arrangements are the notion of working less than 40 hours in a week. I found Natalie Nagele, co-founder of Wildbit. They are a digital agency that has embraced the idea of a standard 32 hours work week. We talk about flexible working arrangements and how they came to fit the work into four days of work. Discover the keys to flexible working arrangements in this interview with...2019-07-1029 min
Release Notes#316: Natalie Nagele (part 2)We’re joined again today by Natalie Nagele, co-founder of Wildbit, and a presenter at Release Notes 2019. Today we continue the conversation we started last week and talk about the importance of having a group of peers to compare notes with, Wildbit’s transition from contracting to products, and how taking care of your employees and […]2019-06-0331 minRelease Notes#315: Natalie Nagele (part 1)We’re joined today by Natalie Nagele, co-founder of Wildbit, and a presenter at Release Notes 2019. We talk about how Natalie got her start in entrepreneurship, how her role at Wildbit has changed as the company has grown, the difference between “businesspeople” and “entrepreneurs”, and how hiring one of those “businesspeople” has helped fill a […]2019-05-2733 min
Indie Hackers#090 – Inventing the Company That's Right for You with Natalie Nagele of WildbitNatalie Nagele (@natalienagele) is not a fan of following "the rules" when it comes to building her company. In the 18 years since she and her husband Chris started Wildbit, not only have they grown it into a profitable operation that employees over 30 people, but they've done it their way: with remote a team, 32-hour work weeks, numerous product launches, and an obsessive focus on the happiness of their customers and employees. In this episode, Natalie and I dive deep into what's she's learned running a tech business for almost two decades, including why she thinks you should learn from...2019-04-191h 09
The Unmistakable Creative PodcastRethinking the Way We Work with Natalie NageleNatalie Nagele is the co-founder and CEO of Wildbit, a successful software company that started in the year 2000. Natalie has a unique outlook on the way we work and she likes to do things differently. At Wildbit, they work a 32 hour work week over 4 days. Then they take 3 days to clear their heads and reconnect with home. Natalie wants us to rethink what’s truly important in our lives and how we can honor those things in the way we work. She shares a thought-provoking message that has the power to change lives.To fi...2019-02-1300 min
The HeartbeatInterview with Natalie Nagele, CEO and Co-Founder of WildbitAs the founder and CEO of a company serving over 100,000 people all over the world, Natalie shares the one thing she wish she would’ve learned earlier after 18 years running her company. Every few weeks as part of The Heartbeat, I ask one question to a founder, CEO, or business owner I respect about… Read the full article2019-02-0600 min
Outback Talks: The Employee Engagement PodcastPart 1: Why Company Retreats Are a Huge Part of How Wildbit WorksFor more info, visit: https://blog.outbackteambuilding.com/podcast-company-retreats-bring-big-benefits-for-the-small-remote-software-company-wildbit
The benefits of company retreats are well-known. Not only do retreats get employees out of the everyday monotony of office life, but they also serve as a great way to team build with your colleagues. But what about the advantages for a small group that works remotely? For Wildbit, a Philadelphia-based software company at which more than half of their 30 employees work from around the world, they are twofold. In our latest episode of Outback Talks: The Employee Engagement Podcast, we speak with Wildbit co-founder and CEO Natalie Nagele about the...2019-01-1800 min
Hack The Entrepreneur453: Solve a Big Pain for a Small Audience | Natalie NageleTo redeem a free $100 LinkedIn ad credit, go to LinkedIn.com/HACK.
What if you could run a successful software company with your significant other, have you are your team of 30 people work just 32 hours per week, build houses on the side, and be a loving and caring parent?
Natalie Nagele has done just that. For the past 14 years, she has been the co-founder and CEO of Wildbit. Wildbit is the parent software company of Beanstalk, Postmark, Conveyor, and Deploybot which they sold in 2017.
Wildbit builds software that enables developers to get out...2019-01-0743 min
Jon Nastor's Hack the Entrepreneur453: Solve a Big Pain for a Small Audience | Natalie NageleTo redeem a free $100 LinkedIn ad credit, go to LinkedIn.com/HACK. What if you could run a successful software company with your significant other, have you are your team of 30 people work just 32 hours per week, build houses on the side, and be a loving and caring parent? Natalie Nagele has done just that. For the past 14 years, she has been the co-founder and CEO of Wildbit. Wildbit is the parent software company of Beanstalk, Postmark, Conveyor, and Deploybot which they sold in 2017. Wildbit builds software that enables developers to get out...2019-01-0700 min
Build Your SaaSYour revenue forecast is wrongWhat does "bootstrapping" mean really?For most folks, bootstrapping means self-funding your business from revenues. It means not taking Venture Capital, not taking Angel funding. It's a little bit of a religion and like so many religions different people have different definitions of what it takes to "fit in." Some people say you can't even take money from friends and family. If you take any outside money, you're no longer a part of the bootstrappers club.We recorded this episode liveWatch on TwitchWatch on YouTubeWatch on PeriscopeWhat do you think?2018-08-2846 min
Bootstrapped#104 - I Don't Want To Talk About GDPR The Whole Time w/ Natalie Nagele from WildbitIn this episode we're joined by Natalie Nagele from Wildbit to talk about starting a business vs. consulting, employees with side hustles, how to pick conferences to attend, and yes, GDPR.
2018-05-311h 07
UI Breakfast: UI/UX Design and Product StrategyEpisode 99: Running a Product Agnostic Team with Natalie NageleWhat comes first, the product or the team? Without any doubt, the team is #1 priority for Natalie Nagele, co-founder and CEO of Wildbit. We discuss their strategy around multiple SaaS products, how they became a product agnostic team, and how they juggle resources while staying focused and productive.
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Wildbit — Natalie's company
Beanstalk, Postmark, Conveyor, Deploybot (acquired) — Wildbit's products
JD Graffam, Serial Acquirer of SaaS Apps — an interview with JD Gra...2018-03-1642 min
Product PeopleEP89 – "We never wanted to fire anyone," Natalie Nagele on Wildbit's journeyBack in the early 2000s, Wildbit was an agency building Flash websites for Philly nightclubs.Then, in 2007, they launched their first product, Beanstalk. Two years later, they quit doing consulting. Natalie Nagele takes us through their story!Get all the Mega Profitable case studiesDon't miss any of the future Mega Profitable interviews!★ Sign up here. ★Show notesLeave a review on iTunes!beanstalkapp.compostmarkapp.comFrom 2005: Wildbit's client portfolioFollow Natalie on Twitter: @natalienageleWant to contact Justin?Join...2017-10-2855 min
Product PeopleEP89 – "We never wanted to fire anyone," Natalie Nagele on Wildbit's journeyBack in the early 2000s, Wildbit was an agency building Flash websites for Philly nightclubs.
Then, in 2007, they launched their first product, Beanstalk. Two years later, they quit doing consulting. Natalie Nagele takes us through their story!
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The SaaS Podcast - SaaS, Startups, Growth Hacking & Entrepreneurship143: How Wildbit Became a Multi-Million Dollar Business on 40 Hours a Week - with Natalie NageleNatalie Nagele guest is the co-founder and CEO of Wildbit, a bootstrapped software company that builds web apps to help software developers collaborate better. The company was founded in 1999 as a web development consultancy and it launched its first web app in 2005. Since then the company has launched and grown a number of products such as Beanstalk, Deploybot and Postmark which are used by over 100,000 companies. Half of the Wildbit team works out Philadelphia, with the rest spread out around the world. And the company's culture, communication and process are specifically tailored around a remote...2017-05-1952 min
The SaaS Podcast - SaaS, Startups, Growth Hacking & Entrepreneurship143: How Wildbit Became A Multi-Million Dollar Business On 40 Hours A Week - With Natalie NageleNatalie Nagele guest is the co-founder and CEO of Wildbit, a bootstrapped software company that builds web apps to help software developers collaborate better.The Show Notes
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Rocketship.fmInterview: Natalie Nagele of WildbitToday we talk with Natalie Nagel Co-founder and CEO of Wildbit. Wildbit is known for it's popular products Beanstalk, Postmark and Deploybot. We talk about productivity and how they've built it into the culture at Wildbit.***This show is a part of the Podglomerate network, a company that produces, distributes, and monetizes podcasts. We encourage you to visit the website and sign up for our newsletter for more information about our shows, launches, and events. For more information on how The Podglomerate treats data, please see our Privacy Policy. Since you...2017-01-1731 min
Starting & SustainingNatalie Nagele, CEO of WildbitNatalie and I talk about bootstrapping, learning that marketing is a necessary part of growing a software company, and the transitions that led Wildbit to be a family-focused company. We touched on the benefits and challenges of running a multi-product company, the inspiration for the various products, and the difficulties of hanging in there as a business gets older and the responsibilities grow and change.Special Guest: Natalie Nagele.Sponsored By:Starting & Sustaining: The second edition of Starting & Sustaining will be out in late 2017. Visit the site to get on the list and be...2017-01-0637 min
Founder ChatsNatalie Nagele (Wildbit)https://founderchats.com/founder-chats-natalie-nagele-wildbit-cbe18201f04d
This week, I chat with Natalie Nagele, co-founder of Wildbit, makers of Beanstalk, Postmark and Deploybot.
In this episode we talk about Wildbit’s 15-year history, building a remote team, shunning the traditional “open” office space, juggling multiple products, profit sharing, building a family business and a whole pile of other things!
2016-10-1334 min