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Between DraftsHow to Afford an Author CareerGrab a copy of HuskJoin Nathan's author newsletterJoin Nat's author newsletterNathan and Nat tackle one of the biggest challenges facing aspiring authors: how to financially sustain yourself while pursuing a writing career. They explore various strategies writers use to make ends meet before their books become profitable, drawing from their own experiences and those of successful authors.They discuss the realities of the publishing industry, including the daunting statistics about author earnings and the fierce competition in the market. They share practical approaches like maintaining a day job...2025-06-2144 minBetween DraftsShould You Read Recursion by Blake Crouch?Grab a copy of HuskJoin Nathan's author newsletterJoin Nat's author newsletterDive into a mind-bending exploration of memory, time, and identity with Blake Crouch's "Recursion." Nat and Nathan dissect this thrilling sci-fi novel that pushes the boundaries of what's possible when memories become more than just recollections. They examine how Crouch masterfully expands the scope of his story from an intimate character study into a global crisis, while maintaining the emotional core that keeps readers invested.The hosts compare "Recursion" to Crouch's previous work "Dark Matter," discussing how this...2025-06-1842 minBetween DraftsNat Launched a Self-Published Book and Here's What Happened (Husk Launch Recap)Grab a copy of HuskJoin Nathan's author newsletterJoin Nat's author newsletterNat takes us behind the scenes of launching his new novel "Husk," sharing detailed insights about the realities of self-publishing. From navigating Amazon's complex ranking system to experimenting with different sales channels, Nat breaks down the numbers and strategies that went into his launch week, which saw over 500 copies sold across multiple formats.The conversation explores the intricate balance between direct sales and Amazon distribution, the impact of pre-orders, and the vital role of early reader reviews. Nat...2025-06-1038 minBetween DraftsHow to Launch Your Self-Published Novel (Nat's Plan)Grab a copy of HuskJoin Nathan's author newsletterJoin Nat's author newsletterWith Nat's sci-fi novel "Husk" just days from release, Nathan and Nat explore the strategic decisions and emotional rollercoaster of bringing a book into the world. From choosing the right Amazon categories to maximize visibility, to the delicate balance of pricing and promotion strategies, the episode offers fascinating insights into modern book marketing.The discussion reveals the careful thought that goes into every aspect of a book launch - from pre-order bundles and signed copies sold directly through...2025-06-0342 minBetween DraftsShould You Read Empire of Silence? Our ReviewGrab a copy of HuskJoin Nathan's author newsletterJoin Nat's author newsletterNathan and Nat dive deep into Christopher Ruocchio's epic science fantasy novel "Empire of Silence." They explore the book's unique blend of science fiction and fantasy elements, comparing it to works like "Dune" and "Name of the Wind." The hosts discuss how the novel's deliberate pacing and rich world-building may challenge some readers, but ultimately leads to a compelling payoff.The conversation touches on key aspects of the novel's construction, from its intricate use of language and religious...2025-05-2755 minBetween DraftsHow & Why to Start a Paid NewsletterGrab a copy of HuskJoin Nathan's author newsletterJoin Nat's author newsletterNathan discusses his decision to launch a paid version of his newsletter Worldbuilders, drawing inspiration from George Saunders' Story Club. He shares his vision for creating valuable content focused on long-form literature analysis and storytelling, including monthly workshops featuring guest experts from various corners of the writing world.The hosts explore the current landscape of paid newsletters, examining successful models and discussing the advantages of platforms like Substack. They dive into the challenges and opportunities of monetizing writing...2025-05-2034 minBetween DraftsHow Much to Charge for a Self-Published BookGrab a copy of HuskJoin Nathan's author newsletterJoin Nat's author newsletterNat shares his experience receiving the first paperback copies of his upcoming sci-fi novel, Husk, and discusses his strategic approach to pricing across different formats - from hardcover to ebook to audiobook. The conversation explores how Amazon's various platforms, including Kindle Unlimited, shape modern publishing decisions and reader behavior.The hosts also discuss their evolving thoughts on different marketing channels, with some surprising insights about where fiction readers actually hang out online. While Twitter may be losing its...2025-05-1349 minBetween DraftsBuilding an Audience as an AuthorNat and Nathan discuss strategies for building an audience as authors, focusing on the importance of understanding the difference between attracting writers and readers. They explore content strategies, the significance of engagement, and the role of social media in audience building. The conversation also delves into the effectiveness of short-form video content, leveraging reviews for book success, and the challenges of converting social media followers into newsletter subscribers. Chapters00:00 Building an Author Audience03:02 Cover Design Insights03:08 Exploring Minimalism in Book Design05:49 Navigating the Novella...2025-04-2946 minBetween DraftsPlanning a Book LaunchGet the full notes and bonuses for this episode https://betweendraftspod.com/episodes/16In this episode, Nathan and Nat dive into their respective book launch strategies, with Nat utilizing a bundled pre-order strategy through Shopify while Nathan plans to focus exclusively on Amazon to maximize algorithmic potential. They also explore the complexities of audiobook production, with Nat sharing his experience auditioning narrators and the significant investment required - ranging from $10,000 to $14,000. The conversation touches on the evolution of their writing processes, from the high-stakes pressure of first books to finding more confidence and clarity in subsequent works.2025-04-2243 minBetween DraftsHow Much Money Can a Book Make?Nat and Nathan dive deep into the nitty-gritty financial details of book publishing, from manuscript development to audiobook production. The duo shares their personal experiences with their respective projects - Nathan's progress with his novel and novella, and Nat's journey launching "Husk."A fascinating discussion unfolds around audiobook economics and distribution, revealing surprising insights about the industry's payment structures and the stark differences between self-publishing and traditional publishing routes. The hosts explore various platforms' revenue shares, production costs, and the strategic decisions authors must make when bringing their books to audio format.The episode concludes...2025-04-1654 minBetween DraftsLaunching and Marketing a Self-Published Novel: Nat's Plan for HuskPreorder your copy of Husk: huskbook.comIn this episode of Between Drafts, Nat shares his comprehensive strategy for launching his debut sci-fi novel "Husk." With just two months until release, Nat breaks down his three-pronged approach to building buzz and reaching readers through Bookstagram/BookTok influencers, podcast appearances, and newsletter partnerships. He discusses the unique challenges of transitioning from non-fiction to fiction marketing, and how he's leveraging his existing platform while building new connections in the sci-fi community.TIMESTAMPS[00:00] Book launch planning for a self-published novel[01:28] Writing...2025-04-0946 minBetween DraftsWhy and How to Write a NovellaGet the full notes and bonuses for this episode https://betweendraftspod.com/episodes/13Nat and Nathan dive deep into the world of novella writing and author growth strategies. They discuss their experiences writing novellas as companion pieces to their full-length novels, exploring how these shorter works can serve as entry points for new readers while expanding their fictional universes. They also share insights on why traditional publishers often shy away from novellas, while explaining how self-published authors are successfully using them to build their readerships.TIMESTAMPS[00:00] Update on Nathan's manuscript[01:14] Nathan's new short-form...2025-04-0153 minBetween Drafts$5,000 in 24 Hours: Nat's Initial Success with Book PreordersPreorder Nat's Sci-fi thriller, Husk!Nat takes us behind the scenes of launching preorders for his sci-fi novel "Husk." Nat shares his unconventional approach to book pre-orders, choosing to sell directly through Shopify rather than Amazon - a decision that's already yielding fascinating results. Get an insider's look at the realities of book marketing in 2024, including the challenges of building anticipation for a debut novel, the complexities of managing different formats and platforms, and how previous experience in tech and marketing shapes Nat's approach. The episode offers rare insights into pre-order numbers, profit margins, and...2025-03-2552 minBetween DraftsQ&A: Best Writing Tools, Building an Audience, Designing a Cover, Release Strategy & MoreGet the full notes and bonuses for this episode https://betweendraftspod.com/episodes/11In this mailbag episode of Between Drafts, Nathan and Nat tackle listener questions about cover art strategy, exploring the delicate balance between artistic vision and market appeal, and share their experiences with various writing tools and technologies that help bring their stories to life.The conversation offers insights into the evolving landscape of self-publishing, from pricing strategies and pre-order campaigns to the crucial decisions around cover design and format choices. The hosts discuss how they're navigating the transition between online writing and...2025-03-1153 minBetween DraftsWhat Happens After Finishing Your Book? (Ep. 10)Get the full notes and bonuses for this episode https://betweendraftspod.com/episodes/10Fresh off submitting the final manuscript of Husk, Nat breaks down the steps between completion and publication, from locking in the cover art to editing to planning marketing strategies and the audiobook production.Nat compares his experience with "Crypto Confidential" at Penguin Random House to his current self-publishing journey, highlighting the unique challenges and opportunities each path presents. Particularly interesting is the discussion about how authors can leverage different formats and platforms - from special edition bundles to Amazon's algorithm - to...2025-03-0447 minBetween DraftsGetting & Using Feedback on Your Novel (Ep. 9)Get the full notes and bonuses for this episode https://betweendraftspod.com/episodes/9Nathan and Nat dive deep into the challenging process of incorporating feedback during the writing and editing process. They explore how to effectively evaluate and implement reader feedback while maintaining the core vision for your work, drawing from their experiences writing their respective novels.How do you decide which feedback to take seriously? When should you trust your gut versus listening to readers? They share strategies for prioritizing feedback, from focusing on "top-down" story-level changes to being selective about beta readers. They...2025-02-251h 00Between DraftsHiring An Editor for Your Novel: When, How, and How Much? (Ep. 8)Get the full notes and bonuses for this episode https://betweendraftspod.com/episodes/8Nathan shares his experience hiring a developmental editor for his novel, a process that's often opaque to aspiring authors. He details how he found and evaluated potential editors, from scouring book acknowledgments to leveraging AI tools, and breaks down the surprising costs and timelines involved in working with top-tier editors from major publishing houses.The conversation explores how the publishing landscape has evolved, with many experienced editors from the "Big Five" publishers now working independently and commanding fees between $3,000-$8,000 for a...2025-02-1842 minBetween DraftsThe Best Fantasy & SciFi Books We Read in 2024 (Ep. 7)Get the full notes and bonuses for this episodehttps://betweendraftspod.com/episodes/7Nat & Nathan dive into their favorite reads from 2024, discussing everything from recent releases to timeless classics.TIMESTAMPS[00:34] Nathan's literary agent querying update[02:02] Nat's manuscript progress and editing timeline[03:18] The Will of the Many[06:47] Lightbringer[09:16] Ryan C. Cahill's indie fantasy novella[12:38] Claire Keegan's Foster novella[13:10] Colony One Mars[18:26] East of Eden[23:03] A Wizard of Earthsea[25:34] Hyperion[32:33] Armor[36:22] Neil Gaiman's works[38:25] Daemon by Daniel Suarez[41:25] Logicomix and nonfiction recommendations[43:32...2025-02-1146 minBetween DraftsHow to Draft a Novel in a Month (86,000 Words in 26 Days) (Ep. 6)Get the full notes and bonuses for this episode https://betweendraftspod.com/episodes/6Nat and Nathan dive deep into the intense process of writing a novel draft in just one month. Drawing from Nat's recent experience writing his novel "Husk" at a pace of 5,000 words per day, they explore the practical challenges, strategies, and trade-offs of rapid drafting. The conversation covers everything from daily routines and word count tracking to the importance of detailed outlining before starting a sprint.They also discuss recent developments in their publishing journeys, including Nathan's promising connections with industry professionals...2025-02-0447 minBetween DraftsChoosing Professional Self-Publishing over Traditional Publishing (Ep. 5)Get the full notes and bonuses for this episode https://betweendraftspod.com/episodes/5
Nat and Nathan dive into the latest developments in their respective publishing journeys. They discuss how Nat's crypto book is seeing renewed success during the current bull market, and Nathan shares promising early results from querying his fantasy novel to literary agents.
The heart of the episode focuses on Nat's decision to self-publish his upcoming sci-fi novel "Husk" through Scribe Media, breaking down the strategic and creative considerations that led him to choose this path over traditional publishing. He explains his vision...2025-01-2852 minBetween DraftsSelf-Editing for Authors: Getting Feedback, the "Triage" Method, and More (Ep. 4)Get the full notes and bonuses for this episode betweendraftspod.com/episodes/4
In this episode, Nathan and Nat share their processes for getting feedback and editing their drafts.
From outlining a "top-down" hierarchy that nails the high-level story before sweating the small stuff, to strategies for soliciting targeted feedback, this conversation is a masterclass on self-editing for any author working on their manuscript.
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[00:00] Introduction to editing approaches and book updates[00:47] Nathan's progress on "The Witch" and query letters[01:36] Discussion of manuscript feedback and beta readers[02:58] Exploring non-traditional...2025-01-2155 minBetween DraftsGetting an Agent for Your Novel: Lessons from 90+ Rejections (Ep. 3)Get all the notes and bonuses from this episode.
Nathan shares his journey querying agents for his debut novel, the brutality of getting rejected 90+ times, and the lessons learned along the way.
Most importantly, he shares what he's going to do differently with his new novel, and why he thinks he has a much higher chance of success now than he did before.
[0:00] Getting an Agent for a Novel[1:37] How Long Should Your Book Be?[4:27] When Are You Ready?[7:32] Getting Feedback Before Querying[9:40] Finding Beta Readers[10:41] Searching for...2025-01-1346 minBetween DraftsHow to Get a Six-Figure Book Deal: Nat's Journey with Crypto Confidential (Ep. 2)Get all the notes and bonuses from this episode.
Ever dreamed of landing a life-changing book deal?
Join Nathan and Nat as they discuss Nat's journey securing a $275,000 book deal with Penguin Random House for Crypto Confidential.
You'll learn the essential ingredients for a nonfiction book proposal that grabs publishers' attention, the art of building an audience as an author, and insider tips on navigating the traditional publishing world.
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[0:00] Getting a $275,000 book deal from Penguin Random House[2:35] Two things you need for a nonfiction book deal[4:43...2025-01-1353 minBetween DraftsMaking it as an Author with Nathan Baugh & Nat Eliason (Ep. 1)Get all the notes and bonuses from this episode.
Are you an aspiring author dreaming of writing full-time? Join Nathan and Nat, two online writers navigating the murky waters of the publishing world, as they pull back the curtain on their journeys to becoming professional authors. With refreshing honesty and hard-won insights, they'll share the ups and downs, rejections and victories, and everything they're learning along the way.
Whether you're hoping to publish fiction or nonfiction, traditionally or independently, this is a candid, unfiltered look at what it really takes. Nathan and Nat don't hold...2025-01-1343 minBetween DraftsBetween Drafts is Coming Soon!In this very short intro episode, Nat and Nathan introduce the Between Drafts podcast which will be launching next week.
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